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Dawning of a New Day



Dawning of a New Day


As the soul awakens to the supra-conscious mind, it experiences divine trust followed by divine forgiveness. These attributes originate from the supra-conscious and equip the soul to operate in accordance with the supra-mind’s purposes. Together these Spirit attributes enable the layering of perfect divine potentials in the soul’s reality. As these potentials build layer by layer, the soul becomes consciously aware of the kingdom of God.

In this moment resides the perfect divine potential waiting to manifest. Its manifestation is the expression of the supra-consciousness through the soul (the Christ). Divine potentials find entrance into the soul’s reality through divine trust and they have space to manifest by divine forgiveness. Divine trust connects the soul to the supra-consciousness so divine potentials manifest in the soul’s reality, and divine forgiveness liberates the present moment so the potentials can be established and propagate.

Divine Trust

As the soul awakens, it experiences the power of divine trust. Prior to its awakening through the instructions of the Spirit of Truth, the soul learns the constructs of divine trust (trust in divine love) and gains the desire to trust, but lacks the power to truly act in this trust. As the soul awakens, it receives the power to trust, because the soul becomes aware of divine trust from the supra-consciousness. Trust is the first divine attribute the soul experiences. It’s the state of consciousness that connects the individualized soul to the supra-consciousness in a way that allows the expression of all the other attributes to manifest. Divine trust is the soul’s initial conscious experience of oneness with the Christ within.

Divine trust forms an open door to the supra-consciousness that enables this divine consciousness to expand into the soul. This trust enlarges within the soul until the soul fully trusts in the unfailing nature of divine love and no longer trusts in physical expectations (i.e., the “world”). This expansive trust enables the supra-mind to govern all the soul expressions, and therefore manifest divine potentials in the soul’s reality. The divine trust becomes an eternal gate in the soul through which the supra-mind expresses itself in creation.

Divine Forgiveness

Entering through the open door of divine trust, the next divine attribute to enter the soul in power is divine forgiveness. Like trust, the soul learns about the constructs of divine forgiveness from the Spirit of Truth and gains a desire to divinely forgive, but only upon its awakening does it experience its true power.

Divine forgiveness has the power to liberate the present moment from past negative emotions that create suffering in the soul, and fill the present with divine love which heals and renews the soul. It purifies the present moment, enabling the expression of the other divine attributes. It’s an essential attribute involved in the transformative process of “Life”, regenerating the soul from a mortal experience to an immortal one. In divine trust, the soul rests in the perfect unfoldment of this highly desirable attribute, for it is the experience of the soul breaking free from the bondage of the self-generated consciousness.

Emotions are the expressed energy of the soul. Energy’s vibrations create harmony or disharmony in reality. When the energy is tainted by negative past emotions, it creates a disharmonious reality. For example, if anger lingers in the soul’s consciousness from a past event, then it impacts the emotional atmosphere of the present. When it is a disharmonious energy, like anger, it creates disharmony is the soul’s reality. Versus, when the soul feels the harmonious vibrations of love, it creates desirable circumstances and conditions.

The self-directed consciousness, which is crafted in corruption, holds on to past negative emotions through its erroneous beliefs, perceptions, judgments and constructs, and as a result the soul experiences emotional pain and suffers for events that no longer exist. Upon the soul’s awakening, as the supra-consciousness supplants the corrupted self-directed consciousness, and through divine forgiveness the present is completely freed from negative past emotions. In the light of the supra-consciousness, the past reflects its truth – that is unreal. Instead, the now becomes real and new, alive with divine love, the source of harmony, vitality, and joy.

Divine forgiveness exists right now for each one of us. It’s woven into the fabric of the energetic structure of creation. All that exists is the present moment’s energetic vibration. This “purity of the present moment” is a reflection of our Creator’s divine forgiveness available to us all. In truth, we are totally free, liberated, and “forgiven” with every new moment. When we receive the awareness of divine forgiveness from the supra-consciousness through the open door of trust, we are able to fully abide in this truth and we are free.

Through oneness with the supra-consciousness, the soul receives the inflow of divine attributes and expresses their outflow into creation, illuminating reality with Truth. As the soul reflects perfect divine potentials, it arises and shines in the dawning of a new Day.

The Golden Key

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.  ~ 1 Corinthians 5:17

Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”  ~ Revelation 21:5


Author: Rachel

My passion is cultivating a deep relationship with God and helping others to do the same. I LOVE sharing with others insights that God has taught me and hearing what God has taught them... thus my blog, Stirring the Deep. My focus is on a relationship, not a religion. Life is in the relationship. I believe in a balance and unity of body, mind and spirit. I feel it's important to nurture all three for they all affect each other. I try to live in the present, where the Holy Spirit is. And I try to do all with the motive of love. I've come to believe life is a journey and not a destination. It isn't about perfection, is it about growth.

125 thoughts on “Dawning of a New Day

  1. So very true and thoughtful. Divine trust comes to us gradually as we are awakened to divine truths. Without understand the plan of God and being blessed to “see” in a spiritual way we cannot have this trust. For those who believe in a God who takes pleasure in the endless torment of those who may have stolen just a loaf of bread and is not forgiven because they didn’t “ask” and he has forgiven and permitted into heaven those who have raped, murdered and caused the suffering of millions of people and has asked forgiveness and it is granted; these people cannot truly trust because of this worldly view of a God who in their mind is unjust.

    And He would be if these myths were true. However when we see the plan of God, and understand we are being trained “up” into the ways and character of God by these very evil things, we start to see a merciful and kind God. We see that suffering causes enlightenment just as Christ Himself learned obedience through the things in which He suffered.

    So, when we see that trust comes by the revelation of the spirit and nothing happens to a person except for the ultimate good of that individual, we then can trust without just saying the words, we trust. Trust comes by loving a God that loves every single one of us and understanding God is a God of love and “all” things He created, both good and evil serves the same purpose. We cannot truly love or trust a God that is less than one who loves all of His creation.

    • Sonny,

      Even this morning after this post, the power of divine forgiveness has grown in my awareness. My soul is overwhelmed by the significance, power and beauty of this divine attribute, that is a beautiful expression of divine love.

      As God is beyond creation and we the substance of his expression in creation, the growing awareness of these truths is in accordance to our purpose and the workings of his plan and purpose.

      When we begin to perceive the depth of divine forgiveness, which is an aspect of divine love, we see it unfolds into creation as it extends through us to others, thus as we are completely, continually, and willingly desirous to extend this attribute of divine love to the most vile, to those who have hurt us the most, and the one who has hurt us the most, ourself, then we are beginning to perceive and experience the nature and power of divine love growing within us. Divine love, thus divine forgiveness, is all consuming, covers all and leaves no one out of its expansion reach. When our hearts truly desire to give this fullness of love then we are in the preparatory stages of experiencing the power of divine forgiveness, thus the outward manifestation of the Christ within. So to your point … when we begin to see all in truth, to discern the real from the unreal, the lies and illusion from the eternal and everlasting, and to perceive the perfection and divine orchestration in all things. .. we are traversing the realm of truth, thus the true nature of God.

      • And… To add a beautiful truth to what you share; when forgiveness becomes a constant, a way, and not an incidence or event, we then walk in an attitude of permanence where the forgiveness abides before the “event ” takes place. Foregiveness becomes just part of our nature without struggle. The seven candlesticks of light were but seven parts of the same one light or spirit. So…when love becomes a constant in it’s fullness…so does forgiveness. When all the seven lights are trimmed and maintained in the tabernacle within, our seven lights become as one and there is no more division but we see in one light, and that light is the very nature and likeness of the Father.

        When the beattitudes we read in the written word becomes the spiritual Word written on the tables of our heart, they become melded into the one spirit within…it is then we become the “I am” with the “I AM”. To think that one day we can stand in the presence of Jesus Christ with a level eye and converse with Him, having no thought of being less in His eye than He Himself is, is a wonderful thought. He is the “first born” among “many” like brethren,

        Words cannot do justice to the the life that awaits us…so let us show God through Christ the love we have for them by showing it to those who are “His.” To all we meet, see, and share with.

      • What beautiful words of life Sonny.

    • excellent sonny amen ❤

  2. Wonderful way to see…where all is positive and “all” things are for our good.

    • the living love perspective of being alive in the growing awareness of the glory of being born of the spirit of almighty god amen

  3. In the words of another in which we agree: “Now let’s proceed further with Paul. In Romans 5:6 he again refers to God in relation to the ungodly. “while we were yet helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.” Then two verses later he says, “God shows his love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.” This was the glorious message preached also by Peter on the day of Pentecost as recorded in the second chapter of Acts. The essence of what he said was this, “when you did your worst to God (in nailing Jesus to the cross) He did his best for you!” For in the precise moment in which you sinned most grievously against God, He forgave you and made possible your salvation.” End quote

    What a wonderful affirmation of the depth of God’s love. To know that God had no plan whatsoever to do anything but to give the love of Himself to all of His creation, none forbidden, raises our awareness in euphoria to the blessings our Father “has” given to us. Only when we understand that God exudes nothing but love for us, can we “see” and participate in this grace. Grace is love beyond anything anyone can do and say in the negative. Grace abounded before sin was ever a thought in the mind of God for sin itself is but a means to His wonderful grace for it is sin which teaches that grace trumps all created vanities.

    Sin itself is a blessing when we see it’s purpose. Sin teaches us to do no harm to another when we foist it upon another or they foist it upon us, either way, we are blessed when we learn the blessing of blessing. When we come to the pinnacle where we can see as God’s sees we also love every aspect of the plan of God and we can only say with God ” It is good”.

    Grace, a most misunderstood aspect of our Father. Grace simply is the love of God where nothing is not covered by it. No matter the classification, Saint or sinner, Godly, ungodly……rich, poor……fallen, un fallen….nothing has ever separated us from the love of God, the love we had before we were subjected to sin unwillingly.

    “All” things work together to accomplish the end of us…all the means God has in store for us will bring us to that finished end…in Him…in “us” for we are that temple where God dwells…His love is with us and for us from now and without end..for all of us.

    It’s nice to know this about our Father…what does your father say to you? To know the true love of God you can’t know any different love. However what we do know or do not know, it changes nothing of His love for us….it is a marvelous thing to feel this love…to feel it and give it we must first receive it from the one true source. This is the Oneness we seek….

  4. hope all is well happy late easter and hope you know your insights are valuable and often times confirm and vindicate self evidently things that need to be reflected on soberly

    • Thanks Stephen … the words of the Spirit spoken to our soul are full of life. In their perfect construction by the Spirit to our souls, they reveal true life to us as they awaken us to life’s eternal presence within us.

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    The only joy, the only complete happiness, the only power and glory that can be poured out like jewels of glorious perfection upon the heads of mankind is the understanding of their own importance, and their connection with their source, as the vine with the branch.  And then as the plant continues to grow the branch also becomes the vine, and branches grow out from it.
    It is all in our hands. We have to buy the gold tried in the fire.  Not with money, but with our eyes open to know that it is there for us, but we have to do the buying.  We have to live the life and perfect ourselves and abide the higher laws even as Jesus Christ did.  We have to stop worshipping Him from a distance, and saying we believe in Him, yet do not follow Him.
    We are literally and actually a race of Gods wallowing in deep mud while the Light is all around us, but we fail to see it.  The Light has always been there.  It is more real by far than the mud, yet we have clung to the mud, we have mixed it ourselves as we have determinedly kept our minds on the mortal concept of existence.
    The glorious. living vibrating Spirit of God fills all space, surrounds all substance, sustains all matter, penetrates all material. It is only as we become aware of it, or in tune with it that we can consciously contact it at all times. As you begin to understand this great force, or power of tender, compassionate loving warmth of living, flowing life that enfolds you, you will soon become aware that it is also within you—and thus it is true, “That in Him we live and move and have our being.” otherwise we could not abound, or exist. This enfolding Spirit of God knows all things, comprehends all things, and as we learn to draw it more and more into our beings with awareness or consciousness of it we are always in direct contact with God. We walk with Him. We abide in Him, and He abides in us.
    These are deep things I am trying to share with you—they are way beyond the ordinary thoughts of man to question or ponder. Go directly to God for your information.  That is done by learning to contact this Holy Spirit of God, and learning to listen to the knowledge of truth as it is brought forth to you.  This is the Atonement, or At-one-ment that Christ dies to give us—that we could be one with the Light, and thus ONE WITH CHRIST THE FATHER.
    Do not think for one moment that Heavenly Father has forgotten you, or has turned from you.  If you do, then you shut yourself out from His presence.  His Spirit enfolds you. it is the essence out of which all things are composed–it is the very vibration of light and life and love that brought all things into existence, and if it were not always surrounding us. and in and through us we could not possibly exist.  Learn to know of its presence and its power and become one with it — then it will be subject to you and you can use it to create with, to heal the flesh of others, to bring to pass the greater works as promised by the Lord.
    The veil that we must rend is this very veil that seals our minds on this physical or mortal plane.  It is the veil that lifts us into the Superconscious mind,  or into the great Mind of the Spirit of Almighty GOD.   that loving,   flowing,   enfolding, protective,  directing force of our Father, in which we live and move and have our being .

    • Yes, God has determined that “all” things started in and with Him and that “all” things will be consummated in Him. Between this beginning and this ending (of our mortal selves) “all” is being prepared to the ultimate conclusion of the in between. If we could really see the overall plan we wouldn’t have a worry about anyone or anything. We may pray for the temporarily suffering of another but seeing their end we see Christ developed within in each’s appointed time.

      So…we pray for God’s will to be done in His conclusion of His creation knowing that “all” will be complete in the love and likeness of God in the end…when He says “It is finished”, all trials, test and suffering will be but a faint remembrance. We will all come to that day when we will see good in all that God did was for His love for each of us…”All of us.”

    • And to say in brevity, “All things in the end will have had it’s “positive” benefit”.

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  8. The Spirit of Truth~ Love you

  9. They will find it if they seek~

  10. thru these transitions of the more on more in life, I cant help but to believe what you all are experiencing also~ whew Jesus

  11. most definitely a time of transition Travis … its been an incredible time of revelation from the Spirit that in time will be revealed.

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  15. The Name of God given Moses and the creation of Eve prophesy our redemption in Messiah! Praise God who is the God of your life? Adam slept, his side open, to give life to his bride, Eve. Beloved, we are the bride of Messiah! Death is like sleep to Messiah as He holds power to rise from it! He often spoke of death as sleep. His side was pierced. He entered death to give life to His bride! Works cannot erase sin, because of the spoken punishment of sin to be death. We need help, once we sin. Even what we may regard as something little, invokes the declared punishment. Please do not regard yourself to be sinless! Please do not make such a dreadful mistake! We need help! God has provided it! He loves people! We are birthed, through one that slept (died), our Groom! God is so awesome and loving! We are birthed into eternal life through the Groom that slept, just as foretold! There is awesome prophesy of the redemption of mankind in the prophesy of the creation of Eve! In Prophetic fulfillment Messiah died ( slept), His side pierced by a soldier, to bring forth life to His bride (us) so that we can be birthed into eternal life. It is fearsome! But, like with a baby, you have to be in Him, in order to be born from him, beloved. You cannot be born without Him beloved. You have to love Him, hold on to Him, beloved with the deep love existing between children and parents, you have to be in Him. God is using a language we understand! His Word is perfect! God is the God of your birth, beloved. In the earthly and in the spiritual. You live, by His grace. He gives life. Similarly in the spiritual, you live, you are born, because of Him! He did it through Messiah, as prophesied in the birthing of Eve through the sleeping Messiah. Is God the God of your life? His identity is in the Name He used to introduce Himself to Moses! In the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob there is Prophesy of your redemption, your life, through Messiah! Praise God! He loves you so! Ask Him to help you see and know Who Messiah is, and once you do, never let go of His Name and testimony! Persecute no- one, God loves people, but do not let go, He is your life!

  16. “Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus” says a lot about “His name” or more appropriately His “nature.” We are to move in His presence of His nature, to become His nature as stared in the beatitudes of Galatians 5….

    All knowledge of the scriptures lead to a simple oneness found in the scripture if we want to use the scripture for reference. When it says all the law and prophets hang on two commandments which are two parts of the same, it is saying all recorded statements , laws and rituals of the Old Testament can only lead one to the love of God.

    So, if one has the love of God without knowing much of the law, then which is best…knowing or being? Being born? Of what? Being born of the spirit is the ultimate goal of all peoples…and God’s. This is the end result and knowledge, types, mysteries, and even wisdom itself is only a shadow and scaffolding of the true. As scaffolding is torn down after the house is built, it is because it is finished. The goal is to be found in being in the likeness of our Father…and the love we gain is the love we are which is expressed by the indwelling spirit. It can’t be taught, it can to talked about…but until we love without condition and requiring for someone to agree with us in order to receive, we are poor blind and naked of the truth…love.

    Love truly has no boundaries regardless of one’s views or perspective, for theses are but temporary conditions which will cease to be once we haves walked in our valleys, in our order, in our calling to stand before God in our place. We respect the position that God has called of another for without this respect our love is merely words wanting self to be heard.

    As in the tabernacle Moses built it consisted of two compartments, the holiest of holies and the holy place. Sin was not permitted in the holiest of holies while it was in the holy place. The spirit of God which dwelt on the Holiest of Holies was and is sinless. The tabernacle was and is a type of we the individual. We have those two compartments, one where God dwells and one where sin is permitted, the spirt and soul. The compartment within us which is of God’s spirit cannot sin where He dwells but the place of the soul or “holy place” most certainly can sin and does. Let our soul move toward the spirit as the veil was rent in two making a way for the soul to enter the presence of the Spirit of God, thus fulfilling His promise that we will become like Him.

    Yes, there is a lot to know (become) where we do not learn about the truth but become it. This all will be fulfilled. With patience we wait for our change, some 30, some 60, and some a 100. All are good callings but they are different one from another. The elect, the bride, the 144,000?

    When kindness rules, our Messiah has redeemed us, yes there is hope, however the greatest prize is understanding the love of God for all.

  17. We must hear and see and desire to know. Unless we reflect on Messiah, for it is only His words which can lead us. As Jesus teaches, so does His Word speak, of how we evade the sentence of death. All that we “become” is only by his grace, therefore we are not judged to be as he is by ourselves but only by Him. Not by our estimation. If they hear Me, said Jesus, “they will hear you”. Those who do not know the Shepherd, cannot know the Truth, which is in the Word of Messsiah alone. God has not called anyone to a position. Only a position of Grace. Which holds not merit for a betrayer. We know the sentence of death has been placed upon those without Him. This judgement is pronounced on all.
    But that God for the Messiah who has redeemed us from the sentence of Death. To Him be all glory.

  18. Yes, I agree, His likeness comes first, what we are called to do is up to Him. We do not do what we do for a reward as a “position, for what we do, we will do because we have learned to love, just as He does. The ” “doing” is a result of the nature we become…and what we are asked to do…at His command and will. We gracially accept His kindness and way…and hope the best for all people.

  19. So basically we have to make sure we are hearing Him accurately, and the only way we can have any success at that, is to make sure it is matched with the Word of God. The nature that we became may not be a reliable source for our confidence, because we always must rely on the Holy Spirit. If we do
    not have the Word of God written on our heart, and before us on the page, we can be deceived because
    Satan, will always be trying to derail what God has given. Remember, without the Word, of God, to guide us, love, may be, in the eye of the beholder, just as beauty may be in the eye of the beholder.
    There is natural human love, and then there is a love that lays down it’s life for another. In our generation, love has become a catchall phrase, that encompasses whatever the human mind, wants to glean from that, or “what we are after” personally. So our person must be centered ‘in Him’, and it takes
    the Holy Spirit to do that for us, but. we musn’t assume that we always have it right, but that’s what we
    should pray for. On the other side of the coin, sometimes we must launch out by faith and say, I have faith, and now I want to add works to that, so, I will have a reward in Heaven, for bringing people to
    the Lord. Sometimes you have to cast a net to do that, and some will come under the net, and sometimes, some fishes, may be torn a little, while the net is being brought in. But life is not always
    a very gentle place. There are some rough tides that God will prepare us for, to survive the temptations
    of Satan. But others can be placed on the ship, to help, steady the sails, and of course, there are some
    old scraggly sailors there, that can make the trip more fun. Fun is a dimension of God, which is often
    overlooked in the midst of schooling in religion, if there be, such a subject. In fact we may laugh at
    religion, once we have confidence, in the freedom of God. But it is also a dangerous environment for
    the soul. The sailing manual is still a necessity, as Newton, could well say. To be laughed at, is also a
    possibility for anyone who is a spiritual adventurer. And you may server jail time, when you get it right.

    • There is no mistake when we receive the love of God, we will know the difference for this love is as God is…and sees it…it is unconditional, knows no boundaries and sees only good in all things…for “all” things are building blocks and stepping stones to his likeness and character. Yes, we have to be careful of “words” said of self..but “the” Word which is Christ will not lead us astray. We may fail at our attempts but we are rest assured there is no limit to the number of tries we get? So if we are to “let this mind be in us which was also in Christ Jesus” we will see as He sees and do as He does…loving all.

  20. It’s all Good.

  21. If we speak truth as we cast our net so to speak, we cast it in love with no condemnation and scores, the truth itself will offend enough just as Christ Himself was crucified for no other reason that He loved all unconditionally, even those who put him to death. The ones responsible for His death “loved” themselves and wanted to be heard and admired, and adulated…’This self love is evil. We know the difference.


  22. There’s nothing to fear then, or loathe in condemnation, if the higher one hears, his ears superior, cannot be condemned. Let his ears be the condemnation that he, so fears.

    The sight of lovers feedeth those in love. (Shakespeare)

  23. Love cast out fear. God is love. Faith and obedience leads to the dwelling spirit when matured as n us…we are absent of fear. Be anxious for nothing.

  24. Life is a progression from the natural to th spiritual… with patience we wait for our maturing.

  25. The indwelling Spirit is only given once, when one receives Messiah, as the replacement for his sin. Maturing then is a comparative term. Even the mature may stoop to wash the feat of another, though his heart have no progression at all. So to be mature, one must be able to successfully compare, and that brings judgment. And judgment brings mercy. Therefore mercy is the fulfilling of the law. But the judgment of the law is fulfilled in our sowing and reaping. How great is the mystery of God in Messiah beyond all Praise. Praise be to the Lord.

  26. It is given once…as life…first the natural then the spirititual…just as seed is planted in the symbol in scripture…the “seed” “matures until it is fully ripe. The type is the symbol which is the plant..the antitype is us where the “seed” of Christ is planted within our earth, in us, and when we are fully ripened, we are fully matured or as the translation reads…perfected.

    Yes, it takes His mercy to permit growth out of sin for we were born subject to vanity and no escaping it…we are delivered from it mercifully. God truly has a wonderful plan. All knowledge will cease but only after it has done its work….so we put more emphasis on Him and not our intellect…as Eve erred.

    Nice talking with you. It’s good.

  27. I am unsure as to the concept of mature in the sense of a seed, in any form without knowledge. Maturity is inherent to knowledge. Christ if I may say so, not to be overly semantic, is not the anti-type but He is rather the Prototype. We do not naturally grow out of sin, we are redeemed from sin and then we renew our minds, to the Revelation, of Christ. All this is by grace. But without your mind, I think, saying that would probably be a semantic trick. Knowledge will never pass away. Knowledge is not a work, but is part of the Light of God. In the Beginning was the Word (Jesus) and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Words, are knowledge.

  28. Natural words…are knowledge…the spiritual word is Christ Mimself. About the seed…I speak as in the parable of the mustard seed.

    Do seeds mature as it says in the scripture? First the seed, then the shoot and then the full “mature” ear of corn. Everything in the Bible that is depicted in the natural realm is but a parallel of the spiritual world. This was God’s exact explanation and instruction to Moses in the building of the tabernacle as the tabernacle was a type of the antitype…in which we are. Mose’s tabernacle was only a picture and type of us… the true temple….

    As far as knowledge itself the scriptures teach us that “knowledge will cease”, as it can help bring us to maturity but once substance takes the place of the natural word (knowledge) we start coming into the mind of Christ as the scriptures compel us to “let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,” it means just that.

    The parable of the seeds in scripture is an allegory of the seed of Christ planted in our very being and as this seed grows, we as the “corn”, grow as well. All scriptures in this sense is to teach us about maturing. Grace and mercy abides as we make our mistakes as we are being matured.

    These are very fundamental concepts. It’s not hard to grasp. I have a road map ( with knowledge) of how to get to Canada but once I arrive and the trip has ended (matured) I know longer need the map…”I have arrived.”

    God’s parables and allegories are easy to be understood by those who pursue love…they are easy and open to one who seeks to live by the golden rule. Those who try to climb up by some other way “the law” are seeking to be approved by the letter of the law but those who seek the mind of Christ do not argue and debate natural words but embrace the good in another by the spiritual word…..Christ.

    We need to learn the skillful use of the letter of the law…in order to understand what it is saying in the and respect cannot be debated…it is freely given in spite of ones differing perspective.

    All is good.

  29. Oh, and your right we do not naturally grow out of sin for that is impossible, we “spiritually” grow out of sin for we grow from the natural to the spiritual….

  30. The type is the “symbol”, the antitype is what the type stands for or what is true. In the Old Testament we see it full of types and in Revelstion for example we see the type more fully explained which brings us to the knowledge of the truth…the antitype. The Bible has certain laws which it follows in revealing these truths.

    I would say the most important mindset to have in searching for truth is always to have a love for the other in guiding them into these truths. It’s in the simplicity of learning to love the other regardless of “their” knowledge and perspective of the law…prioritize.

  31. Some points that need investigating.. Understanding “is” spiritual knowledge. This is given to us in the Word. It’s read there. Not matured into.

    1) We do not spiritually ‘grow out of sin’.
    Christ “took” our sin. The anti type for this, taking of sin is ~ ” The Scapegoat” in the Old testament.” He carried our sins away. Once and for all. NO maturing needed.

    2) Works, to pleas God or come “into Perfection” through”~ “Maturing” are unacceptable.
    The Perfection of “Maturing”, is for our ability to use knowledge and participate as ” Sons ” in the kingdom.

    Seedtime in harvest has to do with “working” in the kingdom. To win or help others.
    Financial as well.
    Maturity comes through practice and study. It is given by grace DAILY. You will never be perfect, except through Christ and even that is by grace alone. You never “mature” to a Perfection Spiritually, it is GIVEN,
    in the Person of Christ, (as the Scapegoat).

    Maturity is for WORKING.

    This next scripture does not mean that knowledge, in it’s essence or complete use of knowledge is done away. This scripture is referring to knowledge that is given in a “Spiritual Gif”, as in “knowledge that would be given ‘temporarily” through “tounges, and interpretation”, or prophecy. Knowledge specialized for a work to do. That is the knowledge that will pass away. NOT knowledge, in general. We will always be learning about “His” Maturity, in Heaven, not “ours”.
    Our Maturity, is being given on a “daily basis’, by the Spirit.
    It is not a “Goal” for or to a destination, for “Perfection”.
    There is no Perfection except “IN HIM”. He is the perfect ONE.

    Here is how that scripture you mentioned reads~

    All the special gifts and powers from God will someday come to an end, but love goes on forever. Someday prophecy and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge—these gifts will disappear.

    (Thanks for your patient kindness) (I love your thoughts) (I hope this is insightful)
    (We are all growing).

    I only hope to be Mature, “Before HIM”. Not before you or others, or even myself.
    We are only in a contest so to speak to “Please” Him.
    Maturity is a goal we bring “TO HIM”.
    It is not “Our Graduation”
    WE Graduate, when we Receive “his COMPLETED WORK”.

    Our maturity, is not a seed, it’s a BLEED.

    • And… Taking away the sin as in the scapegoat means we are not held in condemnation and it is kept against us as in judgement. Even though we as the Israelites of old still had to obey the law and make the natural sacrifices, we also in the spirit have to do the same. Our sins are as far as the east is from the west, however it is saying as we grow our sins are not held against us, but are forgiven..7×70.. Meaning without end. You have one part of the mystery but not the balance of the spirit within.

      Yes our sins were and are removed. Had the scapegoat taken away the sins “forever” there would have been no need for the repeating of the ritual in the following years. It settled the sin question for that period of time. However and again, the result is the same…continual forgiveness but the children still had to make sacrifices for their sins…on an ongoing basis. This showed that it was not a one time thing with the children although it was and is of God.

      I believe in eternal salvation for all people so I see the love of God for all people, leaving none lost. If one sees the love of God and salvation for the vilest of sinners then I would say this view has to be given from the mind of Christ…to love all… For eventually all will come to the glory in Christ. No condemnation for any one, reproof yes to the unskilled in the word but it comes with the territory. Are we to deny the Christ within and His love and way…to appease those who want to appear right?
      It’s not about who is rough and who is wrong, it’s about learning to love these in spite of themselves and their point of view and opinion.

      You seemed determined to pick apart anything someone differs with you about. Why am I now so blunt? I read you comments for a long time while you ridiculed the author of this blogs comments and I notice instead of entering into dialouge with you, she remained quiet. I believed then you were being condescending and rude but I left it alone. You say it is out of love you want to correct things….whoever it may be. This is well and good but you should use a kinder approach if you want people to enter into a mutually respectful conversation with you. Do you think I am enjoying my bluntness? Well no…and yes. I don’t like putting myself in the place of the misinformed, the accuser so to speak but when someone doesn’t let up as you…. Then maybe a little correction on your attitude is needed. So I apologize for the directness however your childishness and pointing out my error (according to you) went a little far…so do not I have the right to set the record straight when you take your liberty and freedom to disagree with another because of varying views. Do not Inhave as any to respond to my accuser?

      This is the context in which I address you…in the terms in which you set the stage, I respond. Sure it would have been nice to have a dialouge with you with respect in which you are clearly not equipped to do. So, yes I apologize for my directness but you opened the door. Have I addressed this in 100 percent correctness, I hope so but if I haven’t then I have the inner peace in knowing that all that I say is without condemnation to any. I feel like you have this superior attitude and the in part truth you have is all that matters and you do not mind dissing another in a rude manner if they disagree. It seems as though I am doing the same but knowledge proves nothing….the love of God is the end of all things….and I think I know this truth.

      So take it for what’s it worth and go look in the mirror the next time you want to correct others. First get the beam out of your own eye so you can “then” see to remove the error in another.

      Much love and peace to you.

  32. we should not strive…we should “Let this mind be like n us which is also in Christ Jesus”. Striving is veinly trying to obtain something that is a gift already. Letting is accepting what we already have avaiable to us…we just need to realize…reality.

    I can look back and see where I have been….the place God brought me from…I see where I am….and by faith we move forward. If you study the writings of Paul as well as some of the other disciples….it speaks much about maturing. Study the barley harvest (Passover), the wheat harvest (Pentecost) and on into the feast of tabernacles (grapes and fruits). In the barley harvest for example the Jewish calendar year could not even start until the barley was “mature” enough that upon inspection by the priest it was waved before the Lord. If it was not mature the calendar could not start until the following month. Imagine that, it was not by the time of the year mathematically that the year started but by the matured grain.

    This barley signified the beginning harvest of God’s kingdom, first the people of the barley “class” or harvest, then the wheat, then the feast of tabernacles. These three feast represented peoples in callings and orders (30,60,100) and all just as the grain or fruit being harvested had to be inspected to see at what level of maturity it was at…so does God monitor our progress to see where we are. This is not about salvation for this is a separate issue….this is about where we fit into the plan of God…what we are being processed to do.

    Many are called but few are chosen is about qualifying for the position of the elect. This is not about being saved by His grace, obtaining forgiveness nor is it about salvation.

    We must be able to rightly divide the word especially in knowing the difference in the plan of salvation and qualifying and overcoming the flesh to be found in the highest calling. Salvation is not the issue in the maturing of a person.

    All can be saved and live under grace and mercy for our sins were covered and done away with (scapegoat) but not all will be called to mature on into the higher callings of God.

    I see what your saying but, as many, you seem to be confused between being saved and qualifying for the elect “after” one is saved. On the day of atonement in the third feast, “all” were restored of all they lost.

    This is an allegory about the fall and the plan of redemption for all of mankind. The grain, and the fruit harvest represented people’s in callings and we as the fruits of the land cannot be harvested until ripe or “matured” neither can we.

    So, we may need to clarify what we are saying to those who have have little understanding of the scriptures and the various meanings for the various subjects and the differences in the different harvest. You can’t have a harvest until the fruit is matured so in looking at the natural to understand the spiritual, God cannot have His “sons” (.the elect) completed until, as the grain and fruit…they are matured to take on the responsibility of that in which the Father has called them to do.

    This subject of maturing is engrained from one end of the Bible to the other. The parables of the talents…and on and on…and the seeds falling in different grounds and according to where they fall and what they produce is measured in the stature of their “growth” or ” maturity”.

    I understand the part your trying to point out, however it goes much deeper than a plant simply maturing. If you will study in the Old Testament where a ” son” was under tutors and governors until the time of adoption before he could be trusted with the running of his fathers kingdom. This time of his education was to mature the son so that he could take and run the kingdom as did the father. Growing up, being educated, progressing, “maturing” was at the center of this process of being taught to run the kingdom. The son was “already” safe within the kingdom, he was in the house so to speak and he would always be his fathers son….however he had too rove had myself to his father through this maturing and schooling process. Again an entirely and different story of “already bring his fathers son which shied hmmmercyvand grace …”through” the maturing process.

    I do not strive at all about these subjects…I simply let the mind and will of my father work in me to know the difference in what He has taught me. I accept you’re place of understanding, I respect you as a child of God…and to diss another for what they don’t see belittles the accuser for there is a lot in the saying…judge not that you be not judged. Therefore I do not look to find fault in what another says for this is variance and a sinful position to take up. However a healthy dialogue with a healthy respect for the others perspective can be a good thing. It is the intent behind the words which places us in the accused or the accuser. By our fruits we are known. We can have a tongue of immature fruit or from a fruit from a tree which produces good fruit….a fruit that is picked halfway through the season is “NOT” good fruit. So when our tongue and heart has fully ripened in it’s due season we no longer speak immaturely, we speak in a mature nature which has been brought to the likeness and character of God.

    Respect and love always trumps intellect and knowledge…just as we are taught.

    Wish you well.

  33. Sorry for the typos

  34. I can see that you have been very wounded by others in your attempts to press forward into what you have determined yourself to mature into. I could only say that in an attempt to love you, it would be very difficult to get beyond the definitions that you are cherishing. I don’t think any one would attempt to diss you, whatever that means. It seems unfare to presuppose someones love based on these premises. Of course, I wouldn’t be allowed to hold a fare view about that. I don’t know who is accusing you but it certainly isn’t me. That’s the whole point I was trying to make. Let go of the idea of an accuser and presuppose a friend. There are no friends who don’t make mistakes, and I certainly couldn’t follow a law created to be one. But hopefully I would be allowed to be myself. As I would imagine, I am not following a law of maturity either. That is something you are following. Speaking honestly. And I am not requiring that of you either. These demands you are placing on yourself, so you have to accept them.
    I am an innocent speaker, at least am trying to be.

  35. Mishai…life is definitely a journey and yes we have been through many trials, test, and tribulations…and ,any yet to come…however I do not let others define my walk with God as I respect their path God has chosen for them. All callings are not the same so all do not understand all levels…as Jesus told the disciples why He talked in parables to the masses and straightforward to them. The disciples had a higher calling thus required a higher understanding. It’s not that Jesus loved the masses any less than His disciples, it was that their calling required the understanding of the elect, the hundred fold.

    I was speaking in generalities about the negatives..dissing…etc…as I do agree with your statement about the accusing, let the gospel do the accusing if there is something to accuse. Just as Christ said He came not to condem but to set peopl free from the condemnation. So…our words should be used to do the same. Often times one is well intended but the natural carnal mind speaks from the law…for the law condemns, as the spirit gives life…. we were born under the curse so from our birth we are being released, redeemed, resurrected, etc, etc., we are not to be condemned by anyone and we should not condemn anyone. This is of the carnal, egotism all, devilish mind of the fallen man.

    We should spend our time building, nurturing and loving all. Their is a righteous judgement and it is given in love as Christ taught. All judgement is for correction, re proof, and making one in right standing with God. I believe I understand this judging well…it has nothing to do with looking for a reason to be at variance for variance sake.

    An accuser is one who condemns another’s view and speaks in a consecending way from a superior point of view, not considering that the other may be more right than they themselves, however this is not even the point. When people base their journey on knowledge and doctrine whether they are superior or inferior to another, they have missed the point altogether.

    We love in spite of anothers knowledge, doctrines or sins. We rise above all sin…and we operate in the spirit and not the law. Religion is based on laws of doctrines and rules based on the law. We are not under the law, thank God, we are under grace. All sin is done away with…and basically we just have to realize the wonderous gift we have. What were given was given before we were born or ever committed a sin…so the gift of life is not based on our being right…or wrong.

    We are here to be raised up into our calling…according to His will…and not that of our own. I read people’s comments as anyone…and I as anyone else may or may not comment on another’s comments. Maturing is not a law…it is growing up and maturing up into the full stature of Jesus Christ.

    I do not speak nor write to anyone specifically…usually….it is put out there so to speak and if one should share in my perspective,..great…and if not…great…I don’t judge nor love them any less for agreeing or disagreeing with me. However when I see a need to nudge one who seems to feel what they “know” is better than another and speaks to another is a less than loving way…I don’t mind at all…mentioning this observance.

    I demand nothing of you at all…I demand of myself obedience to the Father. I would like to see all participate in the love of God in spirit instead of using the law to climb up some other way as says the scripture. It’s just that many coming out of the law feel a need to speak as under the law…not understanding the law is not written for a righteous person but one who eras….inlther words can’t think from the place of the heart and treat others with kindness and love with. I need to quotes the law…for the law points out fault just as the unrighteousness…and people who abide in righteousness need not the law.

    It’s hard to say in a few short sentences in describing the love of God has for “all” people, righteous as well as the unrifhteuos…I suppose really that no words can ever bring truth to a person for it has to be revealed by the spirit…again…outside the law.

    In making the transition from law to the spirit it is a confusing time for most for we are leaving one world and coming into another. Before Christ everything was observed outwardly, and religion was practiced outwardly, there were outward sacrifices, outward temples…etc..etc…however after Christ everything moved from the outward materialistic world into the realm of the spirit where no longer does the kingdom come by observation but by the indelling spirit dwelling in the true temple which also cannot be observed with the naked eye.

    We do not practice law…we live in the spirit where the natural eye does not see the truth for the eye under the law sees and practices judgement. The spirit sees love even in the immature for all trees (people) of what sort they are will come forth as God calls them. So we should see as God sees, having the mind of Christ also, that “As in Adam all die…so as…in Christ…all shall be made alive…yet “every” man in His own order.” I believe this so it is hard for me to not see anyone as “saved” already. It’s just being patient with others, loving all, and seeing them also being matured into all thatGod promised…to be created in His likeness.

    I give my words as the lord gives me, if I should be found lacking “I know” God will finish His work in me…as in all…this is His promise.

    I would love to go on but….this is Rachel’s blog and even though I know she doesn’t mind at all…I’ve taken up a lot of space.

    I hope that all who reads these words see them for what they are…and from where they exist.

    In Christ…


  36. The true tabernacle vs the type.

    I would like to add some food for thought to those who have an understanding of the tabernacle in the wilderness that Moses built; it had two inner compartments consisting of the holiest of holies and the holy place, and the outer court representing that which is the type, the flesh or world. The antitype is the spirit, soul and body of the true temple that was to come at the appearing of Christ in the natural both in calendar years and the year (time) of the individual. When the spirit was poured into the 120 in the upper room this marked the time when God entered the spiritual temple “not” made with hands, leaving the type that Moses built “with hands.”

    The Holiest of Holies in the natural temple is where God dwelt and needed no secular, artificial light for this was the dwelling place of the spirit or “God.” God was as mature as He would ever be behind the veil in this compartment called the holiest of holies. The place of the soul or “holy place” is the place of the soul in the antitype or in “us”. And the flesh or body is the outer court.

    Taking into consideration and understanding these principles we must see and understand the workings of the natural temple to understand how the true works and functions for the type only represents that which was to come…in the true temple…in which “we” are. So…in our most Holy place where God “now” dwells in our most Holy place is in the “head” or the place of the mind…where sin does not dwell as depicted and explained in the natural temple. So…the spirit within us in the place of God is sinless and has never sinned for there is no sin in God although He resided in the temple in the natural and now in the spiritual temple. The place of the soul or “holy place” is quiet a different story for this compartment represents our fallen part of us or the soul, on the other side of the veil. This soulish place had the candle sticks or artificial light, the table of shewbread and the laver of incense. All natural things.

    What kept the soul from seeing into the place of the spirit in the natural was the curtain or veil, the flesh. (As God instructed we are to look at the natural to understand the spiritual, so we do.) The veil or flesh, keeps us, in the true temple from seeing complete is the same flesh, the outer court or world that influences the soul, but does not and cannot influence the spirit of God. The soul, being separated in the fall of Adam where he was given a spirit and soul was blinded to the ways of God and thus being drove from the garden and God placed upon them the curse of death which is not a natural death for they didn’t actually die but were separated in mind as in the type of the tabernacle. So…again there is a place within us (soul) that was placed in the realm of being incomplete in the fall…however the place of the spirit within, God has never left nor forsaken. The spirit which is steadfast awaits the return of the soul (as in the allegory of Adam and Eve) and as as Christ and His bride the two must become one in spirit and leave the soulish realm or as it was revealed in the crucufixrion of Christ, the veil was rent from top to bottom thus making a way for the soul to be able to be engulfed by the spirit and thus there were no two compartments anymore but the two becoming now becoming “one.” (As before the fall)

    The spirit within where God dwells does not mature for God is already all He ever was and will be, however talking about the soul is quiet a different thing and we must rightly divide the word as I have laid it out here for all to understand and see there is two spirits with us, the spirit and soul, and it is the soul which must grow back into reality or the place of the spirit thus the two becoming one.

    It is the soul which must find its maturity or that place in which the seed was and is planted within our earth so to speak to become one again with the spirit. The soul must become of age, must see the light, must grow from the fall, must have the way of God reestablished within…and thus being explained on and on in the various allegories and types and anti types. They all say the same thing just from a slightly different perspective. The spirit remains steady waiting for His bride to make herself ready just as in a natural marriage.

    So when we talk about maturity we are speaking of the soul being reconciled back to God. What God did in the rending of the veil in the natural temple happens also in us for one must follow the other, so again, type and antitype, natural then spiritual. When there are multitudes of types in scripture about yearly cycles, crops, trees and vines and branches being pruned so the good can continue to grow and be revealed…in us…the “soul” is being reconciled, redeemed and resurrected to the place of the spirit where our spirit and soul within our temple, the true, can be reconciled back to God through the soul maturing from her fall.
    The spirit is mature…the soul is not…until the reconciliation takes place….where we again become one.

    A child throws a tantrum because it is immature in the ways of God but once it remains under tutors and governors during it’s appointed time, it will mature into becoming one again with God…so until the marriage takes place of the child’s immature soul to the matured spirit…within…the child will be depicted in allegories of immature wheat, fruit trees (by the fruit you will know the false from the true) and other growth shown in all aspects in the scriptures. The Bible is a book of revealing from one age to another, from one crop year to another, or personally from one heaven to another for there are three heavens or elevations of the spirit we must past through to becoming a full son in the stature of the elect. Not all will pass through but all will be saved.

    As our God and spirit remain as one within our Holiest of Holies we patiently wait for our bride, the soul to realize that she must be reconciled within our temple to her husband the spirit.

    I tend to agree with Paul for the most part in seeing why scripture is given and it is not to become an idol and be worshipped because the scripture is given to explain what already exist and “is”. Paul said he did not come with a purpose of teaching the law in rituals and doctrines. He made the statement that he was interested in getting the point across that His message ( and ours) must be for the purpose of explaining Christ and Him crucified. His message wasn’t about the natural cross, but the growing up into Christ, the old man being crucified within us, and the soul being regenerated or matured back into the spirit, thus making us one again, in the likeness and image of God. Our purpose should be no less in guiding and teaching the love of God to all. When we must use scriptures as I have done to help explain the spiritual we cannot place the focus on the knowledge and the intellect because we must be careful in placing the plan and love of God in its proper order and priority. The law and the knowledge of it can be a guide to the kingdom but only God can reveal Himself to us …while we also wait in the upper room of our house to be reconciled.

    Knowledge is wonderful but the spirit is better. To know “about” something is a very good thing but to “become” that thing is the very purpose and journey of why we are here on this earth. Whether we all understand the same thing at the same time or not is immaterial, this is all in God’s timing and in His authority. We patiently wait for our deliverance into our calling as we pray for others to also to be delivered into their calling. Some 30, some 60, and some 100. We respect and love all no matter the calling and order.

    God’s plan is one of harmony and unity for all, we will see its fruition.

    Best regards to all, may God bless and bring us to our individual order…with respect to all.


    • Just dropping in today to say how much I appreciate all of this food. So much here that I am gOing ~to be~ just savoring it for a few weeks I believe and forever. Then I’m just going to let it Marinate in my heart tuned mind, Big Love⚡️🌻❤️⚓️❤️ ❤️⚡️

      Kindly, Travis


  37. What I see in your words, is a tightly constructed box, that actually prevents communication. One can use their words in such a way, that actually attempts to tie a motive to the response of another, which by ‘your own’ definition, presupposes, another’s motive. When someone begins to respond to any of your teachings, or statements, supposedly according to your teaching and understanding, the other communicator has “an evil attempt or motive”, should they in any way try to share “Truth”.

    This box you have created around, and throughout your commentary, prevents the Holy Spirit, from being given access to Your Heart. The Holy Spirit will never isolate “one teaching” for a “sole servant alone”. The point I am making is very simple then and can be simply stated. You, are the gentleman whose “motive” is wrong. And you may not be wrong because you have an “evil heart”, of which you said you are so quickly ready to accuse other’s of, (which would be wrong) (so that’s a lie), but the reason I think you have wrong motives, is because it is a Protection Device, which protects your cherished beliefs. The Holy Spirit of God is not held in a box, to a private understanding by a superior character. If you are a superior Character, The Holy Spirit within you would welcome correction, because

    that’s the way he directs his servants. At the very least you ‘should be’ challenged on that issue, and it would prove you, if your were genuine. Otherwise, it simply proves you live out of a box, well protected by the guards of your definitions. That ain’t God’s Nature. His love is open and communicative, not Closed like the Soviet Union. He welcomes examination, and doesn’t finger people’s motives. You have no way of knowing someone’s motive, simply based on a challenge to your thoughts. That is not a reasoning person, that is a close minded and afraid mentality. God is an Open Door. Not a Closed Door.

    • If one can see in the Box then one can see outside the box, Looks like a dose of Sonny is what it is. I have not read any of the posts yet (to discern or reprove for myself for others maybe?) but no matter what the matter is, its always good here> This message was brought to you by energizer – + negative or positive. Its all good as long as someone isn’t keeping the negative deep inside all to there selves. Peace Brothers and sisters

    • Then don’t close dialouge off with another by going down this road that you don’t respect another’s view, you put too much stock in your box without considering the views of another. So I take the liberty without condemning anyone to point out you are condescending in your attitude with those who differ with you. So I don’t mind you speaking your peace. Love is more than a word.. To be explained.

      • Thanks for pointing that out. Whatever road I am going down, it certainly has nothing condescending in it. The only thing I mentioned was about the barbs, placed in your dialogue.
        For me to share any differences, I would have to understand, why that is necessary for you.
        I haven’t shared a thing, but would like to. I have not commented on your views in any way.
        To do so, you would have to share open love.
        God is an Open Door. I have closed no dialogue, but was trying to open it. One of your maturity can handle it. Even a waterfall, condescends, so that’s probably what you want to hear. It makes you feel noble, when you feel like someone is putting you, down, it justifies your barbs. So you choose to see things that way. My hands are empty but my ears are open. I’m trying to understand where your love is, if you hear condemnation all around you.
        God’s love is for you. There are no reasons for you to ever feel condescended to. I’m concerned about why you hear and see things that way? “Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires”.
        Maybe you can try again.

  38. Exactly Travis. Here by the way, is the definition of Negative~

    1.consisting in or characterized by the absence rather than the presence of distinguishing features.

    So when you look in that box, you will need to distinguish what’s in there. If there is such a thing as good or bad, it wouldn’t equal positive and negative. Good includes positive and negative. Bad includes only negative. Good is able to distinguish both. To get to, both, you need Messiah. The Prince of Peace.
    “Only one is good and that is God.” ~Jesus.

  39. Thank you Travis, for we go a long way back and gave had many discussions with respect. To be in Christ is our goal. It may take some hard truths for those who look for what is wrong. I think I have made myself clear in that “all” things are going God, both good and evil but the outcome is always good.


    • Travis, you are a pure spirit. Sonny always includes everyone in his dialogues. His love especially is extended to those he feels are impure. He always gives them an extra chance to understand him. The first time they say something out of line, he’s always quick to cover for their failures, and to give them a chance to grow in expression. His Olive branch is always extended to those who are anti types to the Temple he is building.

      • Love has no boundaries whether we agree with the other in the knowledge and understanding or not….we each have been brought to where we are. Two can have the same mind of Christ but a different knowldedge has brought them to this place….for with God the ends do justify the means. We are each stones in the building and it is God who positions the stones whether it is foundational or some other part…but parts we are. We let God build the building, our temple for we are His workmanship, we are not our own. We often get in the way of trying to do something that has already been done…such as saving ourselves, doing good works, etc, etc. I agree with you, there is nothing that can be done which has been done already, the work is finished in the mind of God, we just have to realize what is already determined.

        The plan is a good one, it leaves no one behind, God does not hold our sins and faults against us but uses even the negatives and mistakes in our life to correct us and point us in the right direct. I believe there are no negatives with God but all things are positively created to bring about our end…in Him. Even “evil” has it’s good purpose in the plan of God. Without hate, love could not be known for what it is, without pain, there would not be the realization of joy. When evil has personified the loving ways of God it will cease to exist and the life it has made us to realize can be no greater. God is all love..yet He uses His created tools to teach us that which we are to understand. It is all good, in His purpose there are no negatives…for negative’s sake.
        “All” things work together for those who love……

      • She is a year in Always love that. easy all I feel like i know her but i cant place it I remember this time~ I believe i am just feeling like bouncing stuff its good to have a few anchors yes for me sometimes we are all alone with The Holy Ghost and yes the answers come in time Im just lead by what i feel inside. peow peow 😉 I can just imagine what Rachel is stirring right now. Always profound

  40. Since we’re in a discussion about personal perspectives and one’s use of words, I would like to address a couple of points. This is written to all who have an understanding and a love for the truth and not merely having knowledge “about” things and events.

    So, I would like to say a few things about judgement and what it actually is. In this brief explanation, I use a couple of lines from others I have noted and kept, edited and made into one thought. So I want to give credit to those who seek the goodness of God I correspond with to bring out the best God has to offer in directing our paths.

    God loves us all, this I am assured of, and I for one know positively that I put no one, not one as lost and undeserving of God’s love nor do I not love the same. A person’s true intention, as in the case of Paul and like teachers, who corrected others as they were called to do and set things in order, were often maligned falsely for correcting those who were leading others astray by their condemning nature. Paul continually confronted others who taught and spoke unwisely and therefore sometimes suffered the false accusation of doing the same. However, Paul knew who he was and who he followed, and why. We should seek to be found in pursuing this same mind which was also found in Christ Jesus, then our only intention will be to do His will…and yes we will suffer the same ridicule for standing for the love of God for each and every being, in being a child of God. Sometimes a simple kind word, well placed is all it takes, and then to the ones of superior thinking, a sterner warning is needed.

    However the one who is correcting another must have a true love for the saint and sinner alike for a sinner is nothing but tomorrows saint in the eyes of God. So we must also see and love as He loves to see clearly and speak with only one purpose, a genuine love for whoever we may be addressing. When one wants to differ according to knowledge they have “NOT” the love of God for the other as love is not their motivation to speak to the other. They instead speak knowledge as though knowledge possesses the spirit but knowledge is a dead letter. It takes not the written word to possess love but a relationship with the true “Word” which is in a loving and caring spirit, which is in Christ…and in His likeness and character. We should as instructed “Let His mind and ways become our mind and ways.” Again, then we only have one agenda and that is the, plan and will of our Father.

    Then all of our words spoken in either encouragement, edification, prophecy or rebuke are all done with the same one thought and that thought is that the will of God may prevail in all things and people. There can be only one motivation in the heart of one who loves God and His way, there can not be one love for the saint and a different love for the sinner or even the misunderstood. Only one love. So let us look in the mirror (and the Bible) and see the beam in our vision ( eye) in order to remove the speck in another’s vision. We know we have a clearer vision when we have only one motive in whoever we meet, greet or discuss things with…and that is our walk with God.

    Yes there is a fine line between righteous judgement and a condemning judgement with hypocrisy. We should study to know ourselves before we offer “our love” to another when we haven’t obtained the proper understanding and love to do so. Knowledge will cease just as says the scriptures, it is but a tool to get one to their destination, so those who make knowledge their hope and goal have yet to obtain the true substance in Christ. The law is word knowledge, and Christ warns that trying to climb up this some other way using the letter of the law will gain you nothing but a superior and ego thinking mind, holding your knowledge over others that you deem less “knowledgeable”, than yourself. Yet again, seek for Christ, the true word to come directly into your heart in a one on one relationship that will bring you the love, joy and peace that no one can take away. Since knowledge can and will cease once it has served its purpose to help bring one to the true Word, we should not make it (the written word) our priority but a help in understanding the types, shadows and mysteries. These also JUST “represent” the spiritual things. Put another way knowledge is an exterior thing of knowing “about” things, while the spirit is that which is of God which directly abides within our temple…within our very being, doing and living in a spiritual way.

    It should be plain to every understanding heart that divine judgment will not be given into the hands of hypocrites. A hypocrite is one who has a “condemning” heart accusing and ridiculing others while having like sins in themselves. A hypocrite is not one who speaks of judging and exposing another’s sin as in Paul’s teaching and the discipline he meted out to others. Jesus did not call anyone found in sin a hypocrite, only the publicans, sadducees and Pharisees who “condemned” others while they themselves wreaked with condemnation for others, desiring punishment and death to anyone who disagreed with them. A sinner and a hypocrite are not the same. Even one who is allowed to point out the sins of another as Paul or Peter did, and rebuke them, being void of condemnation in their own heart is what set them apart from being hypocritical. Being hypocritical is having a condemning heart that thinks that other’s sins are superior and worse than their own. We are all sinners and saying one thing and doing another is not even being hypocritical, for the element of being “better than thou”, and condemning another when the person doing the condemning is full of sin themselves is what makes a hypocrite, a hypocrite. ( The condemning is the key factor.)

    “That is the point the Lord is making!  All judgment is committed unto the SON, therefore judgment is given only to SONS.  To the hypocrites the Lord is saying, “The problem is you can’t see your brother.  The reason you can’t see your brother is because you have a beam in your eye — in your vision, in your understanding.  In how you see your brother you have a beam, a huge obstruction.” The mote is just a little speck, a grain of grit that blows into the eye.  You get onto your brother about the mote — the speck — that is in his eye, which you can’t even correctly discern because of the beam, the huge chunk of humanity, that is in your own eye.  It is of great importance that we see how it is that the MANIFEST JUDGMENTS OF GOD are revealed only through that company that has crossed over the sea of glass mingled  with fire and been  purged and purified, have gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name.  These sing the song of Moses and the Lamb, proclaiming that the time has come when all nations shall come and worship before the Lord, for within them HIS JUDGMENTS ARE MADE MANIFEST! End quote
    Addressing the overcomer:
       “If we are not judging by the nature of Jesus, if we are not judging in the same spirit He does, if we are not the personification of His goodness, forbearance, mercy, long-suffering, and redemptive power, then we are not the manifestation of HIS JUDGMENTS and are worthy of being censured and  removed from the throne of judgment.  Judgment doesn’t flow out of what you know.  Judgment doesn’t flow out of a title, position, or office.  Judgment flows out of the life and nature of the Son of God! My dear brother, my precious sister, do you desire a part in the glorious ministry by which the world shall be judged?  Then my prayerful recommendation to you is that you draw very close to the heart of Jesus, sit at His feet, tarry long in His presence, fall intensely in love with Him, learn His ways, be filled with His Spirit, be joined in  one mind, life, and nature with Him and He will create within you the heart of a redemptive sonship judge!  His judgments will be manifest IN YOU.  The wonderful result will be that all nations will come and worship before Him!  That is the mystery.” end quote
                It is the uncovering of that people in whom God has inwrought and birthed His righteous judgments to deal with the sin, ignorance, and rebellion of men, bringing deliverance, producing a mighty change unto salvation and righteousness.  He will deal with every man according to the measures needed to correct and make right what is wrong in him.  Is that not how He has dealt with us?  If you yet entertain the carnal notion that by judgment God will sentence every man according to what he deserves, then Jesus would have to apologize to those men who crucified Him, because He didn’t give them what they deserved!  Rather He prayed for them, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”  Do you believe God answered that prayer?  The lovely One from whose gracious lips these redemptive words fell also said, “Father, I thank Thee that Thou hast heard me.  And I know that Thou hearest me always…”  If I were to say, “I am sincerely convinced and truly hope that I shall see every reader of these lines get exactly what they deserve,” would it not strike terror in your soul?  Let us then stand assured of this marvelous fact: BECAUSE OF CALVARYyou deserve the best God has to give and all men deserve the best of God through you!  “Who shall not fear Thee, O Lord, and glorify Thy name? for Thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before Thee; for Thy judgments are made manifest.” 
    Let us pursue only one way…”the way” as it was called in the early church.

    Love to all.

  41. That’s great. You have certainly made people feel free to share here. All they have to be concerned with is an estimation of themselves, and trying to prove it. Not hard with no agreement from the Sanhedrin.

  42. Mishap, the love of God needs no proof for love can not be proved for there are no words that can describe it. We can share our experiences of how we may have been brought to the place in which we presently stand. Love just is, it has no boundaries for race, culture, financial status, religion or what a person simply believes, it just doesn’t matter. I believe God “monitors” our way through this life and supplies every need that a person needs to come to the mind of Christ. Whether we disagree on a subject or how another presents it to another…and our response…. to it must always have a genuine loving care for that person. It may not seem as such sometimes but when we can only see the word on paper and not the motive or intent of another we can easily be misunderstood or misplace where our heart is aimed.

    Rachel, Travis and a few others go back always and sometimes our words to one another in the form of knowledge can easily be misunderstood, yet we know that love trumps any knowledge, view or perspective of the other. Some have come on here and have wanted to send everyone to hell so to speak for having a different knowledge.

    I can assure you that if I wrote several pages or books and you said, Sonny, I don’t believe a word of it, and my love for you and your way was any less because of your disagreement it is I who have failed before my God and my lord. This I know so for what it’s worth let our words get in the way of the goals and love for the other.

    Love you much

    You too Travis 🙂


    • Well, that’s beautiful. So, all I ask, is, to keep your heart in a place where, someone speaking something that seems strange to you, or backwards to your thoughts, is not seen as a personal statement of contention. And I think this is important. When you say, a genuine loving ‘care’. I think, if it was me, I would change that to, a genuine loving ‘interest’. Because a loving care, can be a bit overwhelming to expect from someone who is sharing, specific, technical, emotional, spiritual, “content”. Sometimes it’s difficult to put all the pieces of the different emotions of that together, in your statements when you are trying to convey, say, a piece of writing, that in a parallel way, you are trying to “detach” your emotions from. For instance, If I were to be bold enough to say something like ~ “God wants to say ‘this’ to you”. That would be a prophetic pronouncement. So, you might not be familiar with that approach. But, I wouldn’t know that. So Love, using that word, it’s a bit difficult to stretch that type of feeling or emotion into the thread of everything you say. The love is there, but it’s the interest, that you must combine that with, or see in the content that someone is sharing.
      I cannot change your theology, but it might need changing? I don’t know. Please remember, I don’t think love, will trump knowledge, if love is suspicious. If love says, everyone is right, that couldn’t make sense. But if love says, everyone wants to be right. That makes sense. So the next step is, at least for me, why is it worth the effort? What is the dialogue about? The dialogue is about Truth. I like the statement you made about God monitors our life. But think about this. Was there ever a time in your life when you were completely satisfied, with what you knew about God, that you saw him answering all your prayers, and everyone around you was being healed, emotionally, spiritually (in their soul) and also Physically? So, there is nothing or nowhere that “your words have failed”. Because your responsibility, and mine are not to “prove him”. He will prove “Himself”, Between Us. If what I say, is error, or what you say is error, there is never any worry, it’s just are we trying, to know Him. So you were saying that he monitor’s us. But you have an expertise, and I have an expertise. Different gifts. So, when our knowledge fails, then sometimes spiritual gifts kick in. And that can sometimes be strange because it defies logic. I will not try to convince you of anything. But if I say something “shocking”. Don’t see that as a lack of love. God will sometimes tweak our understanding of “monitoring”, by someone’s blatant errors. And, please get over this fear of hell thing. No one is trying to drag you to hell, certainly not God. But the subject is in the Bible, so it will not be an uncommon subject for the spiritually cognizant. It is part of the textbook.
      Hell and love are on the opposite ends of the spectrum, and it is no doubt, not unreasonable to see that if you believe in love that you didn’t create, then you would just as easily be surprised by the subject of hell that you didn’t create. So, someone commenting on it, doesn’t make that person evil. At least their trying.

      • There is no fear of hell, for love cast out fear. Hell, as I mentioned is a state of mind. Love trumps all things. Knowledge is a created thing. Love is who God is. Knowledge is a created thong just like us. God does not need or be what he is not. If God is love and h created knowledge how can God not be above the created thing? Just some food for thought.

      • You say: And I think this is important. When you say, a genuine loving ‘care’. I think, if it was me, I would change that to, a genuine loving ‘interest’. Because a loving care, can be a bit overwhelming to expect from someone who is sharing, specific, technical, emotional, spiritual, “content”. Sometimes it’s difficult to put all the pieces of the different emotions of that together, in your statements when you are trying to convey, say, a piece of writing, that in a parallel way, you are trying to “detach” your emotions from.

        The point is as before you should respect the choice of the words of another as they do you. This is what I meant before when I noticed your variance with others in trying to change “their thought” with your opinion. If you want to use the word “interest” by all means use it..however I do choose my words carefully and if we are to let this mind be in us which was also in Christ Jesus do we want him to “care” for us or just be interested? It’s all a matter of a person’s personal journey and where God has brought them from and where they are going…I would say in their use of words. If ten people wrote articles on the same subject I would expect the words of choice would be very varied..and would not we respect their juice…unless they were written or said in a mean spirited manner or one of superfluity? You see, Mishai, this wanting to change another’s perspective and how they should see and write was the start of this exchange. I respect your place, your view but just as now repeat the others choice of words without saying they are wrong when it is at worst their opinion and at best “their” truth.

        So again, you speak of being contentious and then you want to split hairs over another’s use of words? Exchanges in the form of debates over words, or being argumentative is a slippery slope to approach. To ask one to change their terminology to suit ones view or insecurities about what it may mean…is asking a bit much especially the way you are presenting it.

        God ask us to care for one another…he could have said interested but care is deeper than interest…yet if you choose the word interested in your sharing, by all means do…because it’s where your at in your understanding and if that is where you are, I’m good with it. No reply.

        I will neither be shocked, surprised, or angry from whatever you say, I think I’ve pretty much seen and heard it all.

        The remark on the hell thing? Your remark here again does not line up with the accusation…in how I referred to the conditional to hell. If you will read carefully I said hell is a place of the mind, just as is heaven.

        Bottom line is we should share what we have with others, using our choice of words..with respect. And leave it there. Re read your statement of which I am replying to…really, you want to send me a word choice list? Do you know another’s heart where you think you should critique their intention when your struggling in finding your own way and identity. I know you will not because I know you but because I know God’s promise to you. I think God is a little more than interested in you because He cares and loves you. I used to avoid using certain words until I understood it is best to use the words which best suits one according to the way “they” see things.

      • I think theology and “religion” is most of today’s problem in the world. I do not root my self in theology or religion for that matter..following Christ is a way, not a belief system of rules and “doings.” The beatitudes found in Galatians is not knowledge…it is a way to think behave and to live. We must all cross over from thinking the knowledge of the law is what gives us life. It is not. The law was written to an unrighteous hear so if you out your faith in knowledge you will fail just as in another person. We put our faith in Christ, in His way, and live according to the spirit and not “knowledge” of the law.

        Understanding the law is wonderful, but having the spirit of only which the knowledge can describe is much better. The bible is written on three levels, the natural, the symbol and the spiritual. Where we are along on this path is where our words originate. Knowledge is on the lowest level of understanding as the New Testament declares, “knowledge will cease” and I understand this very well for I left the realm of the law many years ago for I Realized the law was not written to truth but to the disobedient…for the spirit that comes to us directly from God does not come through knowledge or the law. When Christ returned and His spirit was poured out to the 120 in the upper room…it was afterward it was declared that there would be no more need for man to teach is for the spirit that God gives us directly is all we need..if we would just be quiet and listen.

        I understand what you are saying and the place you are in your journey, your choice of words reveal this. Yet I have no problem with this…Where you are in your journey and your struggles to understand, others should accept and respect. Been there done that. We should however not expect a vocabulary change to suit where we are in understanding. Lack of respect and rudeness, yes we should check.


  43. Mishai that is, this iPad changes the spelling so easily. Sorry.

  44. Let not our words…..get….

    • I’m still making my way back to these posts. Seems like a beautiful exchange. Your edit here Sonny. Lol. My head tilted and I sat back and went. Hmm Woe. That was deep. I was thinking to myself. If my silence is more important than my words than so be it. See no accidents. It is amazing how all of our perceptions change with a different lens or focus. Even Unfocusing has been awesome. Depth of field. I love the spirit of truth here with all of us. It kind of makes me….. Well it does make me cry. A joyful one. Let’s keep em sparking. Both of you warm my heart. Thank you. I’ll stop here before I say so erring stupid. Lol. To late. Hahaa.

      Kindly, Travis


  45. two things i want to bring into ATUNE. CHRIST and HEAVEN. To each of us, Each PERSON is a LORD. the ONE TRUE LORD is a SPIRIT that is in ALL OF US. to condemn any one person is to condemn a part of self. the CHRIST is a SOUL(in heaven) that has MANIFEST on EARTH(through US). to LOVE others is to BE that love in others. To JUDGE others is to LABEL SELF.
    HEAVEN instead of being a place you go after you die, is ON EARTH right now. Each ELEMENTs has LIFE flowing through it. Each of our HEARTS is ONE HEART(in all souls). what we CREATE IN HEAVEN(on earth), is what others play out in the WORLD(of flesh)(reflection of souls).
    When it comes to KNOWLEDGE, sometimes we become PRISONERS of our own domain. but the HIGHEST KNOWLEDGE(100percent of brain) allows an opening in HEAVEN on earth. we will ALIGN our MINDS and HEARTS to the ONE SPIRIT(in all)….

    • Yes, anti, heaven and hell is a state of mind and being, there is no geographical place, no ethereal place off in space somewhere. Heaven is your spirit just as hell is your spirits so we choose this day whom we will serve. We cannot condemn any with condemning ourselves, this is very true. When we see the love of God in all and know all fault in everyone is but a temporary evil, we see all as finished, all in the likeness of God.

      We become anointed by the anointing spirit. It’s all good, it’s a very good plan God has…and we don’t know but little of it all. It’s simply amazing to see that all means “all.” We’re all of one spirit, to be finished in His likeness…is the promise…a good one.

    • fast reply off the cuff Maybe eternity has always been and its even now~

  46. Wow!!! A beautiful tennis match Wow!!!

  47. S Quad!!!! Alright y then. I think were all ready for the next post hahahahahaha Laugh with me!!! I am Its healthy Saterday night!!! All of you Rock!!!! I got a good feeling inside Thank you Read it all Wow Could be a book !!!! Word Up

  48. Yes, I laugh as you laugh. we are all IN SPIRIT. ETERNITY is the ONGOING LIFE that flows through the LOGIC of Space. our own IDENTITY comes within that LIFE….

  49. also, To be dead is to live as Man on earth, and the be raised from the dead, is to AWAKEN into the ETERNAL KNOWLEDGE

    • Yes, the only death we will ever know is of being separated from God on this earth in this carnal mind. Death, hell, and this earthly existence are all the same thing. When the mind is apart from God and not walking with God in harmony…it truly is the death experience. We move into greater life and awareness of God when we exit this body….

      Death is the carnal mind having the works of the flesh as its existence. When the love of God takes over and pushes out death (from our mind) life becomes our reality. This life is the character and love of God. It’s nice to know about God’s love (knowledge) but it is better to become this love in substance. I think we’ve read the same book.

      Or the white between the lines.

      • Hell is actually a spiritual place, which is located in the middle of the Earth. No one is in Hell on this earth.

  50. From the time we were created…before we were born..we have existed. So if life was given at the beginning before our birth…and we continued on from our birth to now..and will continue on laying this body down…is life not without end? So, yes, we are eternal the now…and will always be…life without end. When God gave us the gift of life it was without condition, before we were born, and it wasn’t conditioned upon our failures, our sins, or what we even think of ourselves. We are not what we say we are, we are who He says we are.

    So start realizing and enjoying your eternal life now that you know you’ve been in it for quiet some time…a thousand, million, billion years? In the beginning was the beginning of this earthly existence. Just because there is a beginning of a week, it doesn’t mean there is o my one week…it’s repetitive and relative. So in the beginning of what?…a new creation man as it says.? New freedoms, responsibilities? I think so. If your going to give your children responsibilities you had better send them off to learn responsibility, so here we are…to be trained up in the way we should go according to our calling and order.

    It’s all is…

  51. Welcome to heaven. here is your pass to eternal knowledge(always growing:in I AM)(i am doesnt exist without everyone else:human heart)

  52. Travis, you still play and record? Am I thinking right? It’s been awhile. And it’s good hearing from you.

    • Yes! Last year was 😳. I am setting up shop in the new transition. I hope to be streaming soon. And I’ll tell you all. I’m thinking of three YouTube channels running parallel. Kind of like a time machine that keeps () in the now and may bring empathy. Focusing on what I can bring to serve. Following your true heart has been😳 everything has fallen away and nothing IS gonna change my world. My for lack of better word. God bless. And sweet dreams. Wild times are here Love you

      Kindly, Travis


    • Also I am happy for our health. 🙏🏼✌🏼️🌻

      Kindly, Travis


  53. A mind which is full of self….the flesh….and lives in the prison of their own mind bound by the works of the flesh…is…in hell. Yes, hell exist in the middle of the earth…in our earth. It would be a physical place if located within this physical planet called earth, but it’s not.

    The Bible is written as a natural story with natural events and natural journeys, etc, etc. however once understood with a spiritual mind instead of the natural mind, it means something different. For example Moses built the tabernacle in the wilderness according to the instructions given to him by God. God instructed him to make sure he built it exactly the way God asked him to because the tabernacle only represented what already exist in the spiritual world. I think I covered this already but I will touch on it again; the natural tabernacle represented something truer than itself and to be brief, the tabernacle (temple) that Moses built represented that temple which was to come…in us.

    When Christ appeared on the earth as Jesus, He made the statement we would no longer worship in this mountain or that mountain nor in any temple made with hands. The coming of Christ marked the time which ended the natural worship in buildings, and to cease performing all the rituals listed in the Old Testament in order to please God. Now we would from then on worship in the true temple, in which we are. He taught “know you not that you are the temple of God and we will worship in spirit and in truth.” We would no longer be required to bring natural animals to sacrifice to a natural temple. “Everything” that is listed in the Old Testament in the natural “represents” something in the spirit. This is God’s law in creation. This is fundamental to understanding the truth and to understand what the type represents in the anti-type. The symbol vs. the true meaning.

    We are the true temple now and in our temple is the furniture just as in the symbol. The table of shewbread, (give us this day our daily bread which is Christ likeness), the seven golden candlesticks of light which represented the complete light and character of God. (7 the number of completeness or maturity) the different lights are the beatitudes which make up the complete spirit of God. The laver of incense represent our prayers offered up to God as a sweet smelling savor. The veil between the holy place and holy of Holies represents our flesh or that which prevents us from seeing into the spirit world.

    We must learn to know what the natural represents so we can know how to apply that which is true to our daily living. A lot of the symbols and rituals in the Old Testament is revealed in Revelations. You find the type and pray that God reveals to you the anti- type. Many people pray for this and do not receive the understanding because a persons heart has to be in the right place with God, obeying Him, and doing His will to receive truth, which is God’s character and likeness. “God is love.” We should not get ahead of ourselves and worship the symbol (the natural) or the the law instead of what it represents in the spirit. The Bible is full of allegories, types, shadows, mysteries, and symbols. When revealed in the spirit it can change from a gruesome picture to one of joy.

    Even countries represented certain things in the Bible as Egypt represented the flesh, Canaan the promised land which represents our journey on this earth from the natural fleshly realm to the heavenly realm (the promised land). This symbolizes our walk from the natural carnal mind to the spiritual mind. Now, all this is called knowledge and as good as it is, it is not the end we are looking for, for our end is in Christ and His likeness.

    Again, “everything” in the natural must represent something in the spirit and the only way to know the truth is to start down this “road” (our walk spiritually) and journey of leaving our carnal mind (Egypt, the flesh) and walking toward the promised land. ( Canaan, promised land in the spirit.)

    All the journey from Egypt to the promised land including the battles with the surrounding nations were but representations of our spiritual journey within our temple and we must do battle with the enemy (in us) to overcome our bad natures and prejudices. Life’s a journey and we must travel it, for life is, “Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil for thou are with me….etc.)

    We should study to show ourselves approved by understanding not the type but the true. To do this God must open our minds to His way, His purpose and His “completed” plan. Then things start to make sense, then there is nothing to fear nor to worry about. We understand God is in full control and we are part of His plan. We are the reason for the natural being created. We start out in this world and we “mature” toward the promised land. We overcome all that is evil within when the “consuming fire” which God claims to be, finishes burning all the “wood, hay and stubble” (evil) out of us. So you see here God is the consuming fire which will cleanse us, His temple.

    I do not criticize others for their lack of understanding nor do I condemn, however if we speak we are required to speak the truth as best we can as God allows us to…and yes people are going to think and respond in the natural if that’s where they are in their walk. Even this is nothing to be concerned about for all must grow from where God calls them.

    However…..regardless of where we begin our journey and the knowledge we start with we should understand if we can’t respect the other regardless of where they are, there is little hope for our own growth because we have yet to get past the “condemning” attitude toward others. THIS IS THE KEY to living in accordance with God’s will. Let people grow at their own pace, using the language God gives them to use. Let one speak and the other hold their peace and then let the other speak or ask questions, everything in order.

    There is a natural life and there is a spiritual life. We must leave the one to enter the other. We will no longer be in the natural when we lay this body down…so learn the spiritual way for that is what we will leave this earth with….

    There is so much to say however, it can’t all be covered here but I hope you all get the understanding that as we move from the natural understanding to the spiritual, our words will change as our nature within will change…as we become like Him.

    Heaven and hell? Bad attitude your in hell, good attitude your in heaven..or at least on your way. Once we let this mind be in us as was “also” in Christ Jesus, we will have put down all enemies within us and we will live in peace because we have fought our battles and driven out and “killed” the enemy so to speak.

    It’s a wonderful thing to see the other side from the natural where we came from. There is knowledge and there is knowledge, one is natural to know “about” something and the other is about “becoming” instead of just knowing facts and figures. Like the word “believe”, some think is like knowledge, it is something you “believe about”, however in the old Hebrew language, words show action so to really believe you must participate in the action of possessing what you believe or it is fruitless.

    Again, is it better to believe that we “should” love the other, or actually by our developed spiritual nature actually do so? So we share, teach and explain as God equips us. When we lack proper knowledge, we should listen instead of throw stones at those who know…and even then who will believe? The very son of God only spoke the truth, “however” the natural believers of the law put Christ to death for no other reason than He was stealing “their” glory from the people. They loved the praises of people for they gave them the knowledge of the rituals, whereas Christ gave them the truth of what the law could only represented. So there is a knowledge which describes the spiritual or there is the spirit itself…it is better to walk in the spirit rather than the natural road from “Egypt “flesh) to the promised land.”

    We walk in the spirit from an accusing natural mind to speaking the truth in the spirit. The truth hurts sometime but we must allow it to come in and “burn” the hellish nature (evil nature) out of us so to speak. ( God is the one who said He was the consuming fire.) Thats what God said he was going to do to each of us in so many “spiritual” words. Proper knowledge and understanding will bring us to a peace in God because we have left the natural knowledge and walk in the spirit of which knowledge can only describe.

    So if one does not understand what another is saying, restrain yourself and ask. If you don’t get the answer your looking for, look somewhere else. I for example am not offended in the least if someone doesn’t believe what I share…for I know it is God who opens the mind of the other and not myself. We give what we have expecting nothing in return, no praise, adulation, nor admiration…for these are the things sinful people seek. Truth is God’s, we share what we have and leave it where it falls. We should not need nor desire validation for what we say. It is then between you and God to accept or reject another’s words. Each will gain according to where they are in their spiritual walk and what God allows.

    If someone says they love you great, if they say they hate you, great for it is not how one looks at you it is what God requires and looks at you. We will never have peace looking for validation from others, only God.

    Be well.

  54. I don’t believe the essence of what you are saying, because I operate and function from the New Testament perspective. What I find in the New Testament is a much more simple plan and structure, that is not a back and forth type presentation. The story is very simple. It is based on your life story from the point of your (or one’s) Salvation. In that approach, there is little need for a complex presentation, it is about “the Messiah”. In order to relate to other’s, one must simply lay down one’s own prominence and listen. It’s not about offense, or accusation, or non offense. Even a sinner can find a polite approach, but it is the Story of Salvation, not works, or mental works. The Holy Spirit gives to you. It’s not a growth from seed.

    For one who is familiar with History, you would have to acquaint your self with the Story of Paul Bunyan, relating his Visions of Hell, and also ‘the Book of Enoch’, and what the Angels of God were given to show Enoch Always Study, the men of God. I assume these were the ones you were refuting?

    • You say: For one who is familiar with History, you would have to acquaint your self with the Story of Paul Bunyan, relating his Visions of Hell, and also ‘the Book of Enoch’, and what the Angels of God were given to show Enoch Always Study, the men of God. I assume these were the ones you were refuting?

      I say in response”

      I have no idea what your talking about here and what it is your trying to say…however I do see where you make the arguement and then give the answer. You disagree or don’t understand what I say…so it doesn’t matter to you….you the ask a hypothetical question as though that is what I am referring to…then you take the “honor” of answering for to you. Mashia, I hope and pray you can see your dilemma here. It’s not me or anyone else that is blocking your vision, and I don’t mean to be critical, but you have a defensive beam stuck in your eye. Concentrate on understanding what someone is trying to share with you instead of, when you don’t understand them, you fault them as in our situation. I’m not going to debate a subject or argue at all about it…if I can’t get you to understand our problems are not from another, there within our own temple. Instead of being at variance with another because you don’t understand them, leave it be, you don’t have to decide whether it’s even true or not. This is because it is the attitude and spirit one disagrees in that reveals where their heart is.

      If you don’t understand something just say so, but don’t stay God’s word doesn’t matter just because you can’t grasp the meaning of it and diss God and the one who interprets the law for you trying to show you the good…for the good.

      The law and the New Testament teaches us exactly the same thing, love thy neighbor as they self.

  55. Not refuting anyone but refuting misunderstood knowledge. My point is no matter where one looks in the old or in the new it is saying the same thing if one can see God in it all. If one wants to use the law, they should use it wisely and interpret it correctly, if the New Testament, one should understand what and who it us addressing.

    I think way too much emphasis is placed on the written word because we should know from the spirit within by intuition what to do. I don’t believe we should have to be told not to steal, we know we shouldn’t.
    It says we should study as a defense and to explain to those under the law what it means in the spirit. The law is only a guide, again to the lawbreakers. A God filled person needs not the old or the new for they recognize the spirits guidance within.

  56. And it’s only complex in the mind of the complex or confused.

  57. If we dismiss God’s word we dismiss Him. We should not say something is not good because we do not understand it. The Bible was written for instruction to those who cannot function with a clear conscious. To say you don’t read it because you don’t understand it is the wrong approach. We should ask God to reveal to us what is the tru message in all scripture, if we are going to understand it at all.

    You cannot understand much of the new without understanding the old “because” you find the types in the old and the antitype sin the new. To study and search the Bible and understand what it’s true meaning is you can’t say it doesn’t matter because it is you who cannot comprehend it. Most of the book of revelation cannot be understood unless you look in the Old Testament for the type.

    Regardless of what one studies…or not…it is about our daily lives and how we treat others. “All the law hangs on the two commandments, to love and and your fellow man as yourself. ” so in a nut shell all scripture is to bring you to the love of God and to His likeness.” Whether it be understood or not, know that what you don’t understand, when understood just means to love others as you would have them love you. That’s my understanding.

    Just because I may not understand something does not mean it has no good meaning. So we search.

  58. I took the time to go into the knowledge of things only because you place knowledge above love which in my opinion is the opposite of how it is. I thought if Imshowd you some in depth knowledge and what it meant once revealed you would get a better picture of knowledge vs. spirit.

    People shouldn’t say something doesn’t matter just because they do not understand something. They should pray and ask God for understanding, not close their mind to His word…and tell someone who does understand you don’t agree with them because you don’t? This is not a good way to be. So what should one do to please a person like yourself?

  59. Let me try to use this situation as a means to ATUNE. when we disagree, our ETERNAL SELF uses man(other people) to show us our weaknesses and strengths. so if someone is against, it means that we today still have DOUBTS of TRUE INNER BEING. Each person will play out what we CREATE IN OUR OWN HEART(fightng against self(through others)).

    the solution is to again validate, that we LOVE EACHOTHER unconditionally as that is how CHRIST(messaih) awakens in ALL OF US.

    MESSIAH is not a man, but an ETERNAL SPIRIT(in all of us). sometimes we go to deep into the PROPER USE of each word and sylable, that we OVERLOOK the whole PURPOSE of it all. i agree with SONNY 100percent, because he acts on his open heart. i love mishai because i was once where he is, and i know sonny and everyone else was there too.

    there is nothing wrong with mishai, but as MAN, you must eventually AWAKEN into CHRIST which is always around you NOW(naturally ).

    • Hacker. I totally disagree, with your statements. Messiah is a person. Saying I disagree, means my philosophy, or beliefs are different from yours. You have no way to know what I am awakened into. So these are spiritual statements, that are not against you or Sonny. But they are true.
      I would not share any more, unless that is encouraged or requested, but we must seek God through the Word. No problem with your disagreement, it doesn’t mean you are not attuned or don’t love.
      It means you believe differently.
      Thanks for your comment. You are loved.

  60. Thanks Anti:

    It’s all about overcoming “self” , we need to look no further than within ourselves to see all the problem. I do see we mutually know this. The Bible can be complex of you get into the details but once these “complex” details are understood, the message is simple…love thy neighbor as thyself. I really do not care for all the “head” knowledge God has given me and I do not feel I need it to do all He requires…however it is not foe me but for those who are determined to remain under the law. If we can show them the knowledge off the law that they so dearly love and then reveal to them the simplicity in Christ, maybe I have not spent my time in vein. The law is not written but to the unrighteous, the righteous know what to do.

  61. you got it. LAWs is a trust within the LIFE OF ETERNAL. The laws are not laws as religon interpers. but know that they cannot even be broken, even if you try. A lot of us LIVE through the SENSES OF MAN, so they(we) even interper the BIBLE AS MAN. but IN SPIRIT, we AWAKEN TO DEEPER LAWS WITHIN OUR OWN I AM. when we AWAKEN others to this knowledge, we awaken OURSELVES more as we are CONSTANTLY GROWING. Each person is a GIFT from within. we have to find it in eachother…

  62. Absolutely, it matters not who we are now, it’s who we are to become or realize…there is Christ singular and there is Christ plural…the Son…and the sons. Good to know.

  63. Each of us is the SON, but all of us is the SONs

  64. In SPIRIT, “WORD” is global manifestations or physical events. Each event is a WORD of god. There is a LISTENING involved with the WORLD AROUND US. our HEART shows us the SOULS within our being through the WORLD of which we are part(soul world to physical world)…. the WORD in your terms refers to the KNOWLEDGE OF A BOOK. but the KNOWLEDGE is ETERNAL(higher langauge than man)….

    and yes, i love you unconditionally to, i accept your love and love all of what you say. even if you are against me. that tells me the IMPORTANCE of something eternally that i am trying to learn that i cant see yet. to me, you are important,as i hope our differences can be used for eachothers good…

    • Ok. I never said I was against you. Again words. The Book, was given by the Eternal. So you circled on that. The Book given by the Eternal goes back to The Moses, and Garden of Eden.
      Where did you jump ship? This is not the language of man, But God.
      I am speaking very simplistically, to keep from all offense.
      But follow my Words.
      Men have gone before you (Jesus) that contradict your statements.
      So that has to be seen.
      These differences are just being pointed out because the Word was give for the purpose of knowing what God (person) says, who created us.
      Not hard to get.
      I love you.

  65. Mishai is what above is talking to 🙂

  66. ETERNAL is the Holy SPIRIT. we are the LIFE within the HOLY SPIRIT. moses and garden of eden is within the LANGUAGE OF GODS(SOUL WORLD TO FLESH WORLD). Every SOUL in heaven is in every one of us on earth. we must recognize the 2 way communications within the LIFE that flows through all things(garden of eden).

    We are CREATORS, we are made in god’s image. the creating in us is the ETERNAL
    when i say MAN, i was refering to us interpering the bible. When we Interper the BIBLE through the SENSES OF MAN, we end up worshiping IDLES as the power of god(eternal) becomes forgotten(man).

    We agree, that the BIBLE is the LANGUAGE OF THE GODS(on earth). you may not know that gods are on earth now. but each of us has to OPEN THE SOUL In ourselves to allow the GODs to flow through each other. when we throw away power to an idle, we end up NEGLECTING THE WHOLE WORLD(representation of SOULs we give to).

    I LOVE YOU BACK, no take backs heheh

  67. Ok. First you said, Moses (as example) Garden of Eden, is God to flesh world.
    Then the contradiction came.
    When You said, We are creators, we are made in God’s image.
    So that second statement, includes Moses, and the Garden of Eden.

    Secondly God put His spirit on men in the Bible called Prophets all the way back to Enoch,
    possibly further. That pulled those men, into the Spirit of God.
    Enabling them to hear God, and write a message, (The Bible)

    Third, You don’t have to interpret the Bible, they did it for you, it’s in plain English now.
    God did that. That’s acknowledging His presence where you said we have to , Open Our Soul.
    Did you not Open your soul to God’s omnipotence there? He has the world in His Hand.
    That’s not an idle for sure.

    No one’s soul is, in you. Not in the prosaic sense of which you are speaking.
    There is no way you could even have evidence that that would be true.
    That would certainly be a soulish statement.

    I think what I would suggest is for you, to find out who Jesus is.
    The story of the Holy Spirit, and God’s Son, is a reference to SALVATION.

    You said, get away from idols, then you said there are God’s on Earth.
    That’s the essence of Idlos.

    So, I am only stating these isolated incidents to show you Contradictions.
    I think you can see that something you read, misled you?
    That’s why we have God’s Word as a guide to “keep that from happening”.

  68. Prophets have a FOOTHOLD in 2 PARALEL WORLDS. one of FLESH(senses of man), and the other in eternal(source of MANIFEST). If WE identify ourselves as man, we will have these quarels. but to try to understand eachother is of great value to HOLD onto christ.

    What Laws are we following. and dont just say word of god, what does that mean. where can there be middle ground in this conversation. where is the focus point. i do see that you and i are in search for truths no matter how that comes out. but eventually we must ALIGN together, and bring our truths together. where is that focus point. if i answer any question, it will only grow into more questions. i dont mind answering, but i dont want to get caught up in the proper use of each word or sylable, we fall prey to our own way of trying to be right. lets not be right, but instead be givers of LOVE, even to those who may be against us. lets use our strengths together. will always love you unconditionally.

    how can i be a service to you.

  69. The end of “all” things is God’s likeness within. This sums it all up. So if we believe this for everyone then why do we think ourselves different from another. Lack is a temporary thing and the love of God is eternal so why do we not look beyond the now into the eternal…in the other? Where a forgiving heart is not an “event” but an attitude with no beginning or end. We must give up all of self to have all of Christ. And we will, I am certain.

  70. It’s not because I know so much, it is because I believe His promises…to us all.

    • I believe that most of the time I am faster than light (joke) ( kind of. Lol). The responses here are so fast and all for reason. So many layers In all of your responses. I’m still just sipping the soup. Don’t go to late you guys, we just might have another today. Love you all. It’s so good. Blessed Sunday. It feels a little unfair of me not digging in but I just have not been able too, but I feel something wonderful here. It’s you all. I can just see Rachel’s eyes if she hasn’t been keeping touch with this thread. She probably (lol) already wrote something that was flowing and probably won’t need a single edit because God is good. Today for me was probably the most amazing journal so far. I’m gonna take a break. I have been journaling since 1997 and what happened today in a perfect symphony was my indication to breath and go sit in nature. Letting it marinate Holy Holy. Wow. Anti, nice bridge. Peace. May be we all need shorter packets. I don’t know. It’s all good. ⚡️🙏🏼⚡️

      Kindly, Travis


  71. GODs on earth are the SOULS that manifest into the EVENTS we live. god is all around you. all souls flow through the world of flesh.
    each of us have a foothold into the world of flesh, and through knowledge, the world of eternal.

    IDOLs are people who we worship as man(see as an individual). gods are souls which we BRING OUT in the world. (all gods require all of us). the one true god is IN ALL(we being creators). i cant keep it simple and explain the compexitys of what we seek.

    • Explaining is like talking in stick figures compared to the omni present consciences of the divine Holy Ghost. But you all do an amazing job because yes. He is flowing they this ~

      Kindly, Travis


      • Your right Travis, words cannot tell a person much, they have to be “there” to know. This is why we say we can share and explain the best we can but there is no way to explain the presence of God within. It is when we each in our own time are brought by God to stand in His presence, it is only then we understand the other.

        Yes, it’s hard to explain…now go to bed.

      • I am. And with a big full heart and smile. Joy rest then motion. Gotta say. Wow wow wow. It is unexplainable Spoiler alert. It’s fine. So fine. Goodnight Sonny. Much love to you and the rest of the squad👊🏽⚡️👊🏽

        Kindly, Travis


  72. To all…

    Life exudes with Joy unspeakable when you come to know for a fact, the goodness of God. To know that every single person will come to bow the knee to God submitting to His will is an awesome thought. To be able to walk in our daily life and to look at all with one thought..that they too will know and be known by not only God but by each one of us in a oneness. As we understand what it means to be all in all, the one spirit of God working in us to bring us all into that oneness of His likeness so that we will have the same love for “one” and for “all.” We will come to see as God sees, our Father sees and understands, we as He would never leave one behind to suffer in a permanent place called hell as the pagans understand. Call yourself a Christian or what you may, and think yourself above another, you have just judged yourself unworthy to love as we should. One cannot believe in a literal hell and love at the same time. To say you love one and not another is giving lip service to your own lie. We thank God to be released from this thinking. The plan of God is “all” inclusive, what a wonderful revelation for which we are very grateful to know.

  73. Does anyone know what happened to Rachel? This is her last post and it was 8 months ago.

    • She is good. There is so much writing here. , after a post like her last few, can you imagine. Actually all of her writings. Timeless. I believe she is good but comfortable has never been the line. I reached out a few months ago. I can’t speak for her but I feel it’s all good. Rachael? 🙏🏼

      Kindly, Travis


    • Hi Cydney,

      Thanks for asking … I’ve been going through a lot of transitions in my life, and I’m curious to see how the Spirit leads in regards to writing or perhaps something else.

  74. She’s well. As she noted a while ago she had moved across the U.S. and has since spent some time getting resettled ….

    • Sonny, sorry I did not get back to your comments yesterday. I had some things to get done. I know you made some good points.

      • No problem

        Sometimes it’s days before people can get around to things….so no problem. It’s been a bit busy on here lately, more than normal but..all is well.

  75. Hello everyone, for once, i have nothing to say. i am PROUD of YOU IN ME….Everyone has awakened and grown. im determined to see the LENGTH of that awakening in us all. the main reason im writing now is to thank TRAVIS for having his heart opened and listening and acting. i want to thank mishai for challenging me, and we end up SIDE BY SIDE….. i thank SONNY for being a BRIDGE for us all as he has LAYED DOWN EACH BRICK for his own growth. and mostly to thank RACHAEL for OPENING UP TO THE HIGHEST TRUST and bringing us together…… yes, we need a break from time to time, but as each of us dies, and others are born, each CHILD will have to RELEARN everything that we did. what can we leave for them…

  76. Frequency of life(BEING IN IAM:in all things)

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