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The words that enlighten the soul are more precious than jewels (because they create enlightenment). 

~ Hazrat Inayat Khan

 

What you experience in this blog is my journey of seeking the Supreme Eternal Spirit of the Divine, who I call the heavenly Father for this Spirit perfectly reflects characteristics this role portrays in my life, though I know this Spirit is far beyond this title. Though this blog started April 2008, my journey began in July 2001 catapulted by a desire to know. Know what? I wasn’t totally sure, but this is where I began.

My journey of seeking and learning is exposed upon these pages. What I share are insights and revelations from my personal journey, but the words written are directed by a will and spirit beyond my own. Thus what I write, I write by grace.

The eternal Supreme Spirit comes to each one of us in a way we can receive and as we grow that communion evolves and transforms. We each have our paths to walk. Yet, we must all seek deep within for that is where we commune with the Spirit who created all, and is beyond this Creation. How He reveals Himself to us is an individual endeavor as we are all unique creations expressing His complexity and beauty. But when we are truly of this Supreme Spirit our lives reflect His nature, thus deeply connecting us as if one.

I’ve come to a point where in all things I am seeking the perfection of love. To experience the true Creator is to experience the purest of love founded in truth. Thus my journey has led me to be this love.

Seeking is like a fire that brings beauty and splendor to your life. It removes all that hinders and clouds your vision, so you can see an eternal love that always existed for you and waited to be a conscious part of you.

I bear no labels, for I find them limiting and unexpressive of my journey. I believe in the purest of love and truth and it is these I seek in whatever medium.

Thanks for stopping by.

Rachel

May 2013

221 thoughts on “About

  1. Hi Rachel,
    I can’t wait to learn more about God’s work in your life, your book and your ministry. I have been inspeired by your writings and your web-site.
    Looking forward to our lunch together.
    Big Hugs,
    Nancy

    • Hi Rachel,
      I appreciate that you took time to set up this Blog. I shared some of your info today with my sister who, in 2010, expressed a true desire to know JESUS in SCRIPTURE so I sent her your comments on the “fear of God”, “hating evil” and “wisdom”. I also included my own comments saying that it didn’t sound like you learned any fear from your own dad, rather from the world’s competitive and abusive tendencies when you received the “D” in chemistry. It sounds like you had Adam & Eve’s experience of knowing GOD the Father with your own father, before their fatal error of listening to Satan. Their decision to heed Satan over remembering what their Father GOD had said brought death to them as well as to the rest of the world following after them. They were afraid immediately, which they had never known before, when they decided together to listen to Satan. Thankfully, JESUS restores our original innocent relationship with GOD the Father, so we don’t hide from HIM, rather, immediately talk to HIM when we realize we’ve gotten a “C” or “F” in one of life’s choices because we didn’t study & didn’t KNOW or we did KNOW and willfully chose to disregard HIS TRUTH. HE can “fix” the problem when we talk to HIM, then others won’t follow the same path.

      • Hi Wendy – thank you for sharing your thoughts . . . A wonderful point of how Jesus restores our original innocent relationship with God. How true that is – and that relationship is the depth and truth of the gospel – it is the Kindgom of God in our lives – because He is King in our lives – and when He is it changes everything that once was death into beauty and life. I’ll be praying for your sister as she seeks out this relationship.

    • Father Paul I think we are a long way away from the possibility of Baroness Warsi, or one of her co-religionists beiomcng P.M. But which would you prefer a Muslim P.M. or an atheist P.M. having a say in the appointment of bishops of the Established Church? Had Mr. Kinnock won any of the General Elections that he fought the latter would have become a reality. I understand that the Deputy Prime Minister is also an avowed atheist, as indeed is the present Leader of the Labour Party. That good Presbyterian and son of the manse Gordon Brown required the Church authorities to submit to him but a single name when considering the filling of vacant sees, I’m not sure if the present incumbent a practising Anglican has reverted back to a two name requirement, which was agreed when Jim Callaghan was P.M.?Compared with his Great-great Grandfather (Edward VII) the present heir to the throne is a paragon of virtue, although I do take your point and always include the Prayer for the Queen’s Majesty at Evensong long may she reign. As to any done deal over the title Defender of (the) Faith including support from George Carey; Carey himself writes in his autobiography (Know the Truth age 383) Personally I did not share the view that this was somehow a defining statement by the Prince. I saw it more as an off-the-cuff remark about his desire to foster spirituality. The former Archbishop then goes on to say that he also has difficulty with the title defender of the faith if it only means that the monarch protects the vested interests of the CofE; before concluding by saying The most I would say in criticism of Prince Charles statement is that it could have been expressed better. But that is forgivable in the light of his great concern for spirituality as opposed to the coldness of materialism and secularism. That doesn’t sound much to me like a done deal !Were we to be Disestablished then surely the coldness of materialism and secularism would increase its icy grip upon out nation.

  2. Hi Rachel,

    Your writing is encouraging and enlightening.

    I have added you to my blogroll.

    Keep up the good work. 🙂

    http://www.mlordi.wordpress.com

  3. Thanks Marianne!

  4. Rachel,
    What you are saying is inspiring but I cannot help but wonder, if God is leading and teaching you, has he led and taught others?
    If so, are their thoughts legitimate or are the only legitimate thoughts my own?
    What about the earliest traditions of the Apostolic Fathers? Those who knew Christ. Do the teachings they have for us matter?
    In short, is it arrogant and prideful for me to discount the contributions of others because I feel constrained by them?

  5. Mike,

    Thanks so much for stopping by . . . you lost me a bit. . . Either way, I think we benefit greatly from the teachings of others especially the Apostles. I think contributions of others expand our understanding in various ways, but we are to test everything against the Word of God. I believe that the Bible is the Word of God and that is the source of truth. I believe that God through His Spirit and the Word is our utmost teacher – the one we put first in our lives as THE Teacher which all else follows.

    Make sense? First God then others – not either or.

    Rachel

  6. Rachel, just stumbled upon your blog. I’ve enjoyed reading a few of your posts (on both blogs) and will visit again! Your subject matter is undeniably complex and your writing sincere and heartfelt. I can truly identify with your desire to empower others to build personal relationships with God/Christ – that is a personal passion of mine as well. I’m sure I can learn a lot from you and your true emotion regarding the subject, however, I would like to point out one thing that I personally cannot align with. That being your use of masculine terms (he/him) to describe God. I believe it detracts from what seems to be your overarching theme of empowering women to seek and find God. Women who have truly suffered (because of men) will find it difficult to build a relationship with God when described with such descriptors. As a heterosexual/white/living in the South man – I say what very few of us do – God transcends gender!

    Thank you for the time!

    Randy H.

    • Thanks so much for coming by and your encouraging words. As for the gender of God – I don’t believe God is a gender because he is spirit. But I use the masculine because that is what his Word uses. I believe he designed this world including the genders to illustrate truths and teach us about Him. The genders were his design and he carries the masculine side in his instruction for various reasons. But I see your point. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts.

  7. Wow!! That’s what I’m talking about being all God saved us to be through his power working in us,bringing about changes in his way & time. And being in that deep close relationship is what our Saviour desires for us,what a Mighty God we serve and love! I would sure love to read your book I know it’s filled with wonderful insight.
    Still Standing by God’s Grace

  8. Rachel,

    Thanks for your feedback on my blog! It’s late and I need to get to be getting to bed, but I look forward to getting to know more about you (and learn more) from your blog!

  9. Hey man thanks for the great post. Look forward to reading more!

  10. Hi Rachel,

    I found your wonderful blog while doing a Google search on why we do things we don’t want”. I look forward to reading more of your posts. By the way, how is the book coming? God bless and keep posting!

  11. Dear Rachel,
    Your video gave me great peace and deeper conviction of my own experience with the church system…may the Holy Spirit continue to guide and strenghten you.

    blessings
    donna

    • Donna,
      Thank you for sharing your thoughts. And I return that blessing to you. May we continue to seek that still small voice in our life and follow it.

  12. Rachel;
    You are right on target, from my experience
    there are so many -isms and hobby horses in the “churches” that it makes attending an institutional “church” a frustrating, even depressing experience.
    Jesus warned us that false prophets would deceive many in the end times. Well, with so many “ministers” persuasively selling their own opinions as gospel, how in the world do you know what’s right.
    Of course the answer is to get with the Lord and to stick to Him through thick and thin. Seek Him, spend time with Him, He will not lead us astray. Besides, it’s all about Him, it’s definitely not about them or us.
    I am often frustrated by people who seem to think that the enemy has more power over us than the Lord Jesus, my question to them is who do they think is Lord? If Jesus is Lord then can we trust Him to lead us, and keep us, and teach us? Scripture indicates that that is precisely what He is capable of and what He in fact does, if we let Him, every minute of the day.
    So thank you for being another voice (in the wilderness?) for what the Scriptures say we should be doing, relying on Him, hearing Him, walking with Him, living in Him. It is the message I am trying to spread too.

    God bless you my sister,

    Nathan

  13. Just found your blog tonight and have been encouraged by your posts (and your tweets :)) I especially liked your “Mountain Top Reflections” – a good reminder of how much trust we place in ourselves, our jobs, etc. and take for granted how He alone is the true Provider.

    I’ll be back often – blessings to you !

    • Hi Joe,

      Glad you found me! I visited your blog as well – and I also will be back often. 😉 Always a blessing to find insightful and encouraging bloggers.

  14. Rachel,
    For some reason, I was not able to find your site from the comments you have made on mine, but was able through another one you commented on. (Francis Drake) Glad to have found you. We share a similar passion.
    Mike

    • Hi Mike,

      That is strange why it didn’t link back to me but glad you found me! And it does seem we share a similar passion. It is so encouraging to meet others out there that do. More and more people are coming to the understanding we share – it is a matter of time and us sharing when the opportunity presents itself. I’m enjoying reading your thoughts on the “Bigger than Me” blog. Rachel

  15. when will your book be available??

    i just discovered your blog (by a comment you did on http://hisbrokenbride.blogspot.com), and i really appreciate what i read on your blog.

    totally agree with this formulation:”My source of truth is Living Word, the Bible, taught to me by the Spirit. ” having read the same Bible, men have done tons of different denominations. how can that be ?? … we desperatly need the guidance of the Spirit of God

    “But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.” John 16:13

    • Hi – Thanks so much for stopping by. As for my book I’m ready for the editing stage . . . so hopefully not too long 😉 And yes, how we need to learn to trust and follow the Spirit and not man. Rachel

  16. Sign me up for a copy when it is available!!

  17. Your blog is amazing Rachel , you write really well. And its very encouraging. i would love to read your book whenever it comes out.

  18. Hi Rachel,

    I found your blog through a comment you made on a post over on “Truth Matters.”

    I’ve started reading some of your posts and find them very helpful and encouraging! Since our enemy, the devil, is the father of all lies, we all need to be constantly seeking truth and exhorting each other to do so. Glad to find someone who agrees and is writing to help us do just that.

    “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. ”

    Grace to you, sister!

  19. GDay Rachel… Greetings from Australia… I came across your site on my mate Ian Vincent’s blog. I appreciate your emphasis on an on-going spirit led relationship with the Lord…

    I have a mate in NZ who has been living and teaching on this for years… He is Roy Waldrom and has a site at http://www.forgiveit.com where all his teaching material and testimony are available.

    I have a blog on here as well at
    http://martinfh.wordpress.com/

    Should you want to drop a line my email is
    martinfh@bigpond.net.au
    I also have a facebook page.

    Wishing you every blessing on your walk for this new year!
    regards,
    martin horrigan
    Warrnambool, Victoria Australia

  20. Amen sister. Keep seeking. You will find. What a glorious and precious Saviour we have. What a comforter and teacher He has sent us. Grow in Him and abide in Him. God bless you sister.

    Love in Jesus and only by His blood,
    Matthew

  21. Hey,

    I recently stumbled on your blog. Thus far, I resonate with many of your views. It is good to know that there are believers who want to accentuate the ‘essentials’ of the faith, and concern themselves with building a true relationship with God, that extends well beyond the strictors of the modern day church.

    • Hi Daniel – Sorry it took me awhile to reply – I’ve been out of town. I find blogs are a great way to encounter others who are like-minded. Glad you found me!

  22. Rachel, I do encourage (Recommend) ALL Christians Pray, and diligently seek the bridegroom King Jesus Christ.

    I have removed myself from all the ways of the World, and it’s drama etc. as shared in (1 John 2:15-17) I have been basically living in my Prayer room, as I walk with God.

    The Bride of Christ has great passion, and Love for King Jesus Christ, and desires to have special time with the Lord in prayer. Now is the time to diligently seek the bridegroom King Jesus Christ.

    Behold, The Bridegroom Cometh! Watch. Matthew 25:10
    http://bibleprophecy-rapture.blogspot.com/2010/02/rapture-of-church.html

    King Jesus Christ of Nazareth is LORD.

    • Thanks for stopping by my blog and commenting. And much agreed – now is the time to seek Him. Seek Him and live . . . Amos 5:4

  23. Just found your blog and enjoyed your piece on the “True Church” I spent 20 yrs in Ministry….first as a missionary overseas, then as a pastors wife. Then it all blew up 15yrs ago. I have never felt comfortable in a “Church” again, but continued to search for it (as I do have very fond memories of the early days of my faith) when we were young and excited about God and could not wait to be together…..I have so many old dear friends back from that time. We have all scattered in various ways, but most are still very committed to the Lord still. We have no Church home. I read the book “So you don’t want to go to church anymore” and felt so freed up from all that…..however I do miss the larger gathering together of the saints….not the churchy stuff, not the building, not the judgments, but the fellowship…..of more than just my couple of friends. I wish I could find a group of people like the one’s in the book. Your piece on the church is exactly how I feel and really enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing. 🙂
    Keep writing. Barb

    • Barb – sorry it took me SO long to response – but I just now saw your comment – some how it was hiding from me on the wordpress dashboard! I’m so glad you stopped by and commented!

      God knows our needs. There was a very long time after I left the Church System that I went with very little fellowship – and God used that time to build a solid foundation in Him. I learned He is truly all I need and He can supply every need. Now He has brought into my life many who I fellowship with here and there. It isn’t about structure, programs, or formal meetings. It is about being real, true and authentic. And I’m far more blessed now that I ever was before. We need to trust Him that He will care for us and give us exactly what we need when we need it in the form that is best for us. Keep up the faith. He loves you more than you know and He is the Good Shepherd.

      Rachel

    • The church is God’s idea. She is the bride of Christ. The Bible says ” Do not forsake the gathering together of the saints.” I agree there are problems in the church but Jesus never prescribed leaving the Church. Look at his response to the Churches mentioned in the second and third chapters of Revelation. He never advised believers to leave the church although he pointed out specific problems in the church. Ask the Holy Spirit whether the decision you made to leave the church is from Him or its the devil leading you. How can Jesus who said “On this rock will I build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” advice you
      to leave the church. Beware lest you give heed to doctrines of devils.

      • If I may offer what I have learned thus far about some things you mentioned …

        The Christ (The Spirit of God, of which Jesus was consciously and fully one with, thus Jesus “Christ”) builds HIS church (those who are anointed with or awakened to the Christ Spirit within them (a spirit of divine truth and divine love) through revelation of the Truth to our spirits from within … as Peter came to this understanding. He didn’t learn it from one outside of him, but by revelation from the Spirit of God the Father from within, the same spirit that was in Jesus. This inward revelation is how the true “Church” is manifested. This inward revelation is the only way our soul can come to know and own the Truth so that we are a part of it. We may resonate with what someone says, but until it is revealed from within in we don’t comprehend the fullness of Truth. When we learn by revelation by the Spirit from within, it is a solid foundation which nothing can overcome because it is Truth, thus a rock. No matter how great the lies, illusions or deceptions that surround us (gates of hell), nothing can shake the foundation that the Spirit of God establishes within our soul for it is Truth – the light is always more powerful than the darkness, so much so that in the light, the darkness is as nothing.

        Matthew 16:16-18 “And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

        Stepping into a building or being a member of an organization, etc doesn’t make one a part of Christ thus the body (substance) of the Spirit of Christ … it is an inner work of awakening the soul to the oneness it has always possessed with the Spirit of God. Therefore, our awakening is coming to this belief of oneness. Truth is what it is. God is sovereign always. As our awareness grows into Truth we come to see what has always been, it is because of our blindness that we didn’t perceive and acted contrary to what is.

        When we awaken to the Christ within, then we also realize our connectedness through the same Spirit to all others who have awakened and eventually to all as all are a part of the Spirit of God. We experience the progression and the manifestation of this oneness, but in Truth we are already one. It is just that some are asleep to who are they are and the One they are a part of and others are awakening to this Truth, but we are all one. Death (separation) will one day not exist in our conscious awareness … this is the the great victory. (1 Corn 15:25-28)

        In the Spirit of Christ we come to realize that all are our eternal brothers and sisters .. there are no divisions, no separations in eternal life – this bond of oneness, love and truth is the true body of the Living Christ, the Spirit of God that flows through and connects us all. Those of this spirit are His “church” that Jesus was referencing.

        If someone resonates with a certain external group … then there is a purpose for it. If one leaves, it is also purposeful. Groups connect because they hold similar belief systems. As we grow in Truth by revelation of the Spirit, we expand beyond once held beliefs. If we aren’t expanding then we aren’t listening to the Spirit from within. We are all born into darkness and if we are moving into the light, it means our understanding is aligning to truth. Though our beliefs vary with others, and we may leave certain groups because our growth requires it, we are all eternal brothers and sisters – of which one day the Spirit of God working within us all will manifest.

        It brings great maturity and growth of Spirit when we begin to see the Truth of these things. When we begin to desire to lose our separate “self” and all forms of separation so that the Spirit of God may flow through us in the perfect expressions of pure love to everyone always, and when we see our connectedness to all because God is all and in all because all is his creation and he is sovereign then we are beginning to find our true home as a part of the bodily expression (substance) of the Spirit of God.

  24. Just ran across your blog. Looking forward to reading more of it.

  25. Hello Rachel,
    My name is Eden and I am the (sort of) editor of Idylls For the King, a new Christian literary blog/journal. I would like to invite you to have a look at the site.I don’t know if you would be interested in or write this sort of thing, but If you would ever like to submit poetry, fiction, or song lyrics you have written, please just send me an email and I will make you a contributer. Blessings,
    Eden
    http://idyllsfortheking.wordpress.com

    • Hi Eden, Thanks for the invite, I’ll check it out.

      • Dear Father Tomlinson,As I read your comment I was glddeaned to know that you have experienced as a result of your move to the Ordinariate what my wife and I experienced almost one year ago in becoming Catholic as individuals in the U.S. (Seattle area). We had left the Episcopal Church, I in September 2008 and my wife following Easter 2009, and begun the journey having no realistic prospect of either an Anglican Use or Ordinariate parish physically accessible to us. Nevertheless, you experienced a sense of peace and of coming home which we experienced at its fullest when we were received and confirmed at Pentecost last year. And, having followed events through your blog over the past year, I had included you and your parishioners in my prayers, that you would have the same sort of experience of being welcomed home that we had experienced. It is good to know that God answers prayers. Welcome home and Deo gratias!Pax et bonum,Keith T pferBothell, Washington, USA

  26. Hi Rachel, I just tonight saw some of your videos I don’t know to much about you but have gotten to know you through some of the content of your blog. I trust that you are sincere and I also believe that your position has probably brought some hurt by friends/church people. I don’t want to communicate any thing hurtful but feel that I must say something perhaps sharpen you a bit.

    I want to encourage you to reconsider biblically your response and judgement of church that is structured. You have missed a lot of scripture with going on a feeling of leaving a public gathering of believers. Some of the questions I wonder about I’ve voiced not for you to neccesarily answer but to show me, there no way we can personalize and privatize – the Body of Christ.

    Who are the deacons that serve the tables in what you are doing, what leaders have you appointed to leadership roles in the ministry of feeding the poor, ministering to the widow, the orphan, those in jail, those in other parts of the world. How are you function in missions programs around the world, making difference there and not just at home? What does accountability look like for you, if people say no to you are they just not friends now and cut off. How do you bring accountability with sin and a response to the commands of Matt 18 reconcilation or process of discipline mentioned in God’s word? Where are the apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists equipping you and your family to be joined together… each doing their part. How do the function of the gifts of the Spirit work with God’s order mentioned in I Cor. 12 and 14 operate when I’m not even apart of body where there is order, leadership, teaching, worship, praise, and fellowship. What kind of witness and gospel invitation is given at funerals, wedding, baptism, child dedications, ect. when you lead a non-church structure life? What church are you apart of in the end time churches mentioned in Revelation – there are 7 churches all of which are gathered locally together and there are overcomers in all of them.

    Some things to think about – the Apostle Paul didn’t start his own thing but joined in with the other apostles and brought debate and structure to what church would look like and be through the leading of Holy Spirit. This was the message that continued throughout the land everyone was apart of the same message, same structure of church, same mission, ect. Once a church was established they built upon the foundation of Jesus but with biblical mandates.

    You cannot love the Head without loving the Body, and I love the diversity of the Body of Christ that functions within the parameters of God’s word. I do find your message very misleading and possibly damaging to dissillusioned believers that are looking to personalize their walk to live out only their comfort level. This message sounds very luke warm to me. Don’t you want to be challenged, rebuked, taught, corrected, trained, equipped ect. all of which sounds pretty structured?

    2 Tim 3:16-17
    16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
    17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

    Rachel, I hope you the best but the best is found in God’s truth. You didn’t have to break off fellowship with the church you were at, as long as they were a John 3:16 gospel church… I hope that you can see the importance of being connected to local body that functions as a body and not a few body parts thinking they have all that they need. You need the Body of Christ locally gathered functioning as God’s word declares it functioning.

    Acts 2:44-47
    44 All the believers were together and had everything in common.
    45 Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.
    46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,
    47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

    What do you think?

    Clayton

    • Hi Clayton – I truly appreciate your comment … and the care that you expressed. This is a challenging topic indeed …. I once believed as you have shared in your comment, but since I started abiding, reading and meditating on the Word daily – that changed. It isn’t simply a feeling which can be misleading. It was the prompting of the Holy Spirit along with the Word of God. Not sure what you’ve read and haven’t but I attached some further links at the end of this comment, also I have a category “Outside the Church System” – this is a loaded topic.

      My love for others especially for the lost sheep has only grown by God’s grace. That is my passion for this blog and all else that I do. I want people to experience the depth of relationship with God grounded on truth and spirit. To be truly united to Him in truth, His Word.

      I start deeply seeking God 10 years ago .. seeking to really know Him. To know Him beyond my filters and current perspectives … 3 years into it, what I was reading and learning wasn’t coinciding with what was happening in the churches. In time, I left as I felt it was God’s will. It was difficult because I grew up in the institution – but I had to honor what God was confirming to me in His Word, things I’ve written about on my blog. Once I left, my eyes started to open so much more. My walk has deepened in ways I never imagined. The Word has become alive in my life on many levels.

      As for fellowship, the magnificence and perfection of true and real fellowship has amazed me. I’ve never been in a more true fellowship with others as I am now. The body isn’t about an institution, it is beyond that. Often those who have those gifts you mentioned don’t carry the formal labels. They aren’t appointed by man but by God. And God provides. He provides the body as we need it. He is so powerful. The true body is attracted to each other. It’s amazing. Accountability can come from others, but true accountability comes from the Holy Spirit. We can hide our lives from others and many do … but you can’t hide from the Holy Spirit. He is the best accountability partner I’ve ever had. People dismiss this … but they don’t understand this power and connection of a true relationship with God. It is very real. It changes everything. Further, the Holy Spirit is an incredible teacher .. He teaches in a way no human can. He writes the truths on your heart. My own life is my testimony. I’ve simply followed where God has led, and the journey is proof to the perfection of His perfect will.

      Jesus didn’t come to the system. He didn’t preach setting up a physical institutional system. He talked about the kingdom of God, a place made without hands, whose authority is God, whose head is Christ. Look at His teachings … what He demonstrated. It wasn’t about a system.

      I know this is a tough issue … I know people can perceive it as offensive … but that is what the truth does. If I felt the Word was saying that the system was going to be reworked … then that would be my focus. But I don’t feel that is what it says. I believe it says there will be a new Jerusalem that comes down from heaven .. a temple made without hands … this is what is eternal and real and incorruptible. I believe that is what is being prepared and ushered in … thus why the change from the current system.

      Hope this helps explains a bit more.

      Unhealthy vs. Healthy Fellowship

      Babylon the Great

      Leaving the Sanctuary Verses

      • very well writen by clayton, but in it all was mans structure and programe, sounds good, but its like god in a box!! it reminds me of the old keith green song where he says i dont care how big ya steeple is or how many buses ya got,,,, do you love your wife???? Daniel never bowed to the false system of worship and his acountability was god himself,!!! have you heard steve mcveys book, grace walk, or grace rules? or seen his blogg, 101 lies taught in church, interesting stuff,!!

    • That is correct! Amen!

  27. Hi Rachel, it’s me again, I didn’t think you would actually respond back thank you!

    In my honest opinion verses your opinion, I think your understanding of the book of Revelation is really off the wall a bit, sorry! I’m trying to understand your understanding, and it’s getting further off the map for me. Really this understanding is the thrust of what I believe has gotten you on the road your on.

    You must be rendering or understanding or believing that we are living in the 1000 year reign of Christ, that all the judgements of have taken place the church has been raptured and we are now left to fend for the faith on our own??? The church of the NT was birthed on Pentecost and is present without spot on wrinkle through the blood of Jesus. It’s the blood and the work of Jesus that makes the church righteous before God, nothing else.

    Your response to me before was, “Jesus didn’t come to the system. He didn’t preach setting up a physical institutional system. He talked about the kingdom of God, a place made without hands, whose authority is God, whose head is Christ. Look at His teachings … what He demonstrated. It wasn’t about a system.”

    I’m not following this “system” terminology maybe. Are you saying church? Whether you like it or not your establishing a system too.

    Jesus did established a New Covenant, a new wine skin, called the church – which was a new promise through Jesus Christ which was established and set up by the Holy Spirit coming to those that call on the name of the Lord, which none of this could of been done without Him going to the cross and shedding His blood. I don’t think you disagree with that so far but you are teaching the church age ended and it’s over… that’s a real bad teaching Rachel!

    If we want to see what Jesus acually said about the church let’s see His own words, which are very different from yours.

    Matt 16:18-19
    18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
    19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

    The church is being built, it is not dead, it is not Babylon, it has not ended, it is not corrupt, it is not a system, it is the church – which is people who have called on the name of Jesus to be saved – amen! The church is only thing on this earth that has a promise to never be overcome.

    Jesus was committed to and had a habit (custom) of going to the synagogue (Father’s House).

    Heb 10:25
    Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another– and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
    – the word encourage is a greek word ‘parakaleo’ which is two words mean draw alongside and call. It paints the picture of team coming together to encourage their lives. How is that a bad thing, when Jesus did it and set the church up through the Holy Spirit to continue to do it but with the power of the Holy Spirit which makes those gathers even more powerful. That’s a good thing Rachel!

    Acts 17:2-3
    2 As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
    3 explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. “This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ,” he said.
    – Apostle Paul also had a habit of gathering together.

    Matthew 16:18-19 shows us for something to be built there has to structure and the Bible is full of the plans that God has set for His church. We must submit (the church) to Christ, and that means listen to His word which speaks of love and promise of the church.

    Come on Rachel read it, this sounds great and it’s not what you are saying about the church. This is the church!
    Eph 5:23-30
    23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.
    24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
    25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
    26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,
    27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
    28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
    29 After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church–
    30 for we are members of his body. (NIV)

    When I read some of you articles on end times, they sound a little similair to the Mormon ideas of Joseph Smith coming to America, without any regard to scripture fulfillment. It sound similair to the Muslim revelation that had an experience and wanted to start their own thing seperate from the Jewish roots and Christianity.

    Your comments on, “judgement starts with the house of God” is exactly what I feel you are doing, but God loves the church and is using the church, the body of Christ to reach the world.

    You have used this verse; 1 Pet 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

    – now serious look at these verse and go up a few verses, what is Peter talking about. He is talking about persecutions of the world against the people of God (the church). We will get persecuted and insulted as the house of God. Rachel you are fulfilling that scrupture by teaching and telling people to leave the church, that the church is fallen, that the church is Babylon, and whatever else you are saying.

    I love the church, because Jesus loves the church and died for it even before he birthed a New Covenant one on the day of Pentecost.

    Can we be honest what kind of church denominations were you from? What happened to make you against God’s church? Maybe that will help me in understanding where you are coming from and why this path you are on is so confusing, and destructive to God’s church that will NEVER be overcome because Jesus is building it!! I want to be a part of what Jesus is building and what he died for and what he sent His Holy Spirit for and what he was even committed to and had a habit of going to. He was perfect yet He still went. I want to ask you for forgiveness of whatever has been done and said by members of the church. I’m very sorry. Rachel you need the church, and the church loves you.

    Ps 92:13
    planted in the house of the LORD, they will flourish in the courts of our God.

    Sincerily in Christ,

    Clayton

    • Hi Clayton, perhaps part of the problem is terminology – because I agree with certain things you are saying …

      For me and when I write …. True church = body of Christ = those who come in truth to God by the revelation of the Holy Spirit. Those who abide in His truth and follow God wherever He leads. They are united together in one spirit.

      Church system = the man-made institution, full of man’s teachings and doctrines mixed in with God’s, ordinances, rules. It’s a business. It contains of those of God and those not, though I believe the true church is separating itself from the system as the end draws near.

      I see these as two different things. I think you see them as the same?

      So, I agree with you that the true church is the body of Christ. This Church is built by the revelation of the Holy Spirit, as Peter came to know Jesus as the Christ not by man but by revelation of the Holy Spirit .. that is how the true church is built.

      However, what you see in scripture and today is a man-made system that has connected/overlapped itself with the true church. … how much more so now? This man-made system/institution is what I’m referring to … not the true body of Christ. I see them as separate – though some think them as one. To me it is obvious they are not.

      From the parable in Matthew 13 of the wheat and tares .. we know that they are mixed together and allowed to grow together for a time, then at some point they are separated out. From what I see and what I read I believe we are in that time of separation. The true church still is very connected … they always will be.

      Not going to a church building doesn’t mean you are forsaking the true body of Christ. The true body isn’t defined by a building. It’s defined by the souls that are truly a part of Christ – where God is the head. True believers don’t forsake … they love the true church, even those not aware of God’s love yet.

      From my experience and observation, this separation is guided by the Holy Spirit, just as someone coming to really know Christ as Lord is– it isn’t by the persuasion of a person. People either “see” or don’t. We each have to put God first, seek Him with all our heart, soul and mind and follow where He leads. No doubt people differ on what that looks like – but that too is a part of His plan.

    • That is correct, Clayton! Yesss!

    • I totally agree with you Clayton. I think our sister is lost. I once wrote a comment quoting some of the scriptures you quoted

  28. Well said Rachel,

    It often challenging to express why the change from the norm to something that is different. I don’t see where in scripture that what we have today is actually in the bible? Can you imagine Paul or Peter running a ministry or church like we have today back then? I just don’t see it. But it still doesn’t make it wrong to have that style of church.

    Keep up the good work!
    Mike

  29. Yep still growing and learning! I think in this country our example of church is far different from other countries. I have read and listened to missionaries that have experienced and witnessed a different and more real church. Biggest confusion is the word “church” we have turned it into a place than a people. They say first time use of the word ekklesia to referred as a christian meeting place was written around AD 190 by Clement of Alexandria. It also has been said that he was the first person to use the phrase “go to church” Before that it was used to refer a people called out.

    Mike

    • Hi Mike – interesting … that’s been my experience as well – churches varing in different countries… churches can take on many forms and using the same word for all of it is confusing.

  30. Yes, I do see Paul and Peter a huge support and attached to a local church. It’s pretty easy to see that as a majority of the NT shows that. They were encouraging local churches, because they helped establish and plant them.

    Yes, the ‘church’ means called out ones. To be called out you have to be in though! You have to have a home base from which you are called out from.

    The followers of Christ had two mandates – a commitment to a local church body and a commitment to reaching out to spread the gospel. This is the biblical way and truth that we need to follow to be effective for God. Our ways, are not His ways so the whole issue of church needs to be Biblically based. Until we’re in heaven, the church will be.
    Acts 2:46
    Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,

    The account of the wheat and tares in Matthew 13 – the tares are the sinners not the church people that believe in local churches. I hope you agree with that. There will be a day for judgement and the sinners (tares) will be revealed to be judged and the wheat (church) will be shown. There is a lot of things to happen until then. This is again a big end times teaching where we looking at Rev. 6 and 14 being fulfilled. This big gathering is eternal judgement which means tares going to the lake of fire and the wheat going to heaven where all the OT saints and all the NT saints are gathered all together. You can’t apply this to now, as it is prophetic! In no way does this apply to the church as it wasn’t even birthed yet.

    This is my concern; the church ceases to become spiritual when it becomes self seeking. There must never be a focus of developing our own lives and leaving others to their own. We are not hear to develop our own ideas and our own spiritual retreat. We must be a collective Body in local areas building His Body, for the glory of God. Our teaching must build not tear down. We need to encourage and be overcomers in our local churches. The problem and reason for people seperating from local churches and do their own thing is that they have become self sufficient primarily because of materialism! Rich people love doing there own thing because they have money.

    Nothing has changed; Jesus is building His church… and the church will continue to grow as local churches being equipped and sent out to reach more people.

    Clayton

    • Hi Clayton – God loves you, God loves me. He loves His children. He desires all to have a relationship with Him, a real relationship that is personal and built on truth. He desires to abide in unity with each one in truth and love. We often give lip service to this will of His and not our lives. Let’s stir one another in this relationship we are each to nuture. When we each focus on that relationship with HIm, then all will follow as it should. Many get so distracted with other things … and neglect this foundational truth and will of God. He is to be our first love. If our energies are governed toward this desire of God and especially encouraging others to develop this relationship, as no one can do it for them, then the rest of this stuff will play out as it should.

      Rachel

  31. Well, quite a discussion here! The core issue, it seems to me, is to have a personal, living, spirit-led, daily relationship with Jesus. This comes by spending time with Him and in the Word. Fronting up to a building at 10;00 a.m. Sunday or 7;00p.m wed. house meeting is not the same thing. There are may different religious [denominational] clubs, each with their rules, requirements, agendas, etc..If relationship is defined as allegiance the “system” [of whatever stripe] then that misses the point. The meeting together of the saints is spiritual-believers drawn in to fellowship by the Holy Spirit… it is organic, living and relational.

    • Hi Martin – much agreed that is the core issue, and to be our focus. If we attend to our relationship the rest follows. Thanks for your comment, and it’s good to hear from you 🙂 Hope you’ve been well.

      • Rachel.. good to hear from you.. you might find some material of interest on Roy Waldrom’s Facebook page.. he’s been putting up some good observations. We chat skype–daily.

        Good to see you are soldiering on with the blog and these issues…
        blessings…will keep following the””conversation””

        martin

      • Hi Martin, thanks – I’ll check it out. 🙂

  32. Thanks Rachel and Martin,

    My thoughts also, but I also see that our relationship with God will cause me to love the church even more. Church is like a family, you take the good you take the bad because they are family you stay committed to loving them and being family. Not because you agree with everything, not because they are perfect, not because it’s all your way. No, you stay as a family to them because they are family. The church is the same! May we never bash, slam, slander, talk down the family of God. We need to be in relationship with the family of God.

    We all have systems, whether we will admit it or not. By nature we are systematic, if you don’t agree tell me your protocol in the morning… see what I mean. Our spiritual lives are no different, there are things we do that could probably be canned as a system because of the repetiion in which we do it.

    Jesus was committed to going to a building, it was custom, a habit. It wasn’t that hot in those days either… lots of problems but he went to speak truth in love. Paul was also committed to building a new movement of churches but he also continued to help the old temple in seeing the good news of Jesus. If Jesus was ok with it, why wouldn’t I? We have a responsibility to people also!

    As soon as you become a house church or a believer that has left the church… or say a person that is committed to going to a church ‘building’ you all have a system.

    So the system isn’t the issue it’s the love you have for the family and how you speak of the family is very important because it’s the family of God. Its the blood of Jesus running through His church, so I guess I get a little uptight about telling people to leave the church building because that ‘system’ has ended.

    We need to love God so much and out of that love we love His Bride the church!

    Martin I agree with what you are saying but would add the church is also focused and not a whim and prayer. There is goal, there is a vision, there is a plan, there is so much more to the church than a coffee time, a personal retreat, friendships, ect. There must be a concerted effort of God’s people to reach the lost at every cost! God has entrusted the church to reach the lost through the power of the Holy Spirit. We must go!!

    I love God so much and I want to see him glorified through my life. I can’t live out things my way but His way. I believe my flesh says do what you want to commit to the family of God but I know the word of God and the Holy Spirit are so clear in pointing me to His church that gathers without invitaion to come. Jesus is building a glorious church, with the people that love Him, love His people and are reaching the lost.

    Clayton

    • Hi Clayton –

      This analogy came to me … I hope it helps clarify.

      Kids love candy stores and fast food. The market appeals to them and it simply tastes good. IF that was their only diet, they may stay alive, but the damage done is extensive in many ways. It leads failing health, obesity, low self-esteem, cognitive deterioration, many and various illnesses, and weaknesses to a plethora of diseases. On this diet, they come to the point where they are so malnourished their bodies starve nutritionally and death knocks at the door. They may be getting want they want in the moment, but it isn’t for their best.

      When a child wants a Twinkie – it seems loving to give him what he wants. It makes him happy, and he loves you for it, which also feels good. Is this love? Everyone seems happy, joyful and thankful.

      To not give them the junk food they desire, but to give them the healthy food they need is much better, though they might not like it at the moment. However in the end, they will understand why you did and that you were truly caring for their soul. Is this love? Now when all the parents are handing out Twinkies it gets much harder to not do the same. It even starts to seem like not such a bad idea. What’s the big deal? The power of groupthink is at play. At acceptance of Twinkies, everyone partakes without much thought to the ramifications. Even the parents join in. And when everyone is sick, they don’t see the illness – because it creeps on gradually, other things are blamed – they can’t see it is their diet that is killing them. They are looking to each other for what a bill of health looks like – so they remain blinded.

      Some are realizing the churches are the candy store and fast food restaurants. It’s instant delights that feel good in the moment – even the “stern words of truth” spoken now and then by the pastor and the few scriptures read that are wrapped in opinions, stories and interpretations make all the rest seem okay like tomatoes and lettuce on a greasy hamburger layered with mayonnaise. When you realize that churches, though they seem good on the outside, are actually harmful to your spiritual health and they don’t offer just candy, but are the candy store, you go find some nourishing food.

      Churches are offering seeking souls a buffet of things that feel good at the moment of consumption but don’t do much for them. In fact, if that is their diet, it can and does destroy them on the inside out – thus harder to detect to the undiscerning eye. There are so many examples of this .. but I’ll take what is the main one in my opinion.

      We were instructed to make disciples of the nations … Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, God saves. Only God can resurrect a dead life. But we are to teach those awaking from their sleep to learn from Christ, the Word. That they need to eat of the bread of heaven, for this is life. Because those who learn FROM GOD truly turn to Christ. John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. But instead what happens far too often.. Jesus said, Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves Matthew 23:15

      The first fellowship we are to have is to be with God. He is the FIRST love. When we nurture that fellowship with God … then we can have true fellowship with others – whatever level we are at. Otherwise we are sitting/feasting with demons or those holding doctrines of demons. 1 Timothy 1:4 Sounds powerful… but if people don’t fellowship with God and have that individual relationship, who truly is their God?

      This individual seeking under the tutelage of Christ isn’t found in the lives of most church goers.

      In the Bible (esp. books of the prophets) you learn and when you look around you see the institutional church as a whole hinders this discipleship (the bread of life) because it sets people up to be dependent on humans, not God. Isaiah 29:13 It greatly hinders them from seeking due to the many wayward doctrines and teachings, structure and misplaced praise. The church is presented and structured to have people learn from people, to trust in their words and their interpretations of words, not learn from God. The church leads people to be disciples of other people instead of Christ. They are eating Twinkie’s instead of vegetables.

      You can test this ill-placed feasting by asking the majority of church goers: Who is your teacher? Where did you learn about God? How much time they spend in the Bible one-on-one with God learning from the Holy Spirit who was given to you for this purpose? Look at what/who they trust? See who they truly fear? See who they obey, really? (the multitude of denominations should give you a big hint here) See who they refer to in terms of what they have been learning. See who they truly follow? It’s other people, not God. 2 Timothy 4:3, 2 Thessalonians 2:10

      Now you may have to listen in-between words … they often speak one thing and do another. The self-deception runs deep. But if you listen and observe you will see their true trust.

      The churches starve souls. There is a famine in the land for a lack of the Word. Amos 8:11 You see the starving souls everywhere. I’m constantly talking to them … people who have been in the church system for years. It brings them in offering them the kingdom of God … but another person can’t give us the kingdom, only when we go diligently walking the narrow path ourselves – the one that few find and walk. Matthew 7:13-14 All people can do is point to the path but we must walk it. But the reality is churches step in the place of where God should be – offering to fill the void and need – one they can’t do it, and two they weren’t meant to do it. People stop truly seeking the face of God and that leads to spiritual death and decay.

      Some say, at least the Twinkies are better than nothing.. but it’s not better when the healthy lavish garden is abundantly available – it’s just people have been mislead about it’s existence and availability. And yes it isn’t the instant gratification (there’s a whole other analogy in that aspect)

      Look at most in the churches, ask the church goers about their time and where it is spent? It will reveal their God. And God isn’t the church. They are two separate entities. Yes, He loves His people. And those abiding in Him do as well. But the love of God coincides with truth, and what is truly good for us. People need to be awakened and stirred because they are starving as they are. But as long as the “authorities”, the pastors and leaders who they trust, say all is good (saying peace, peace) even when there is not – that is what their followers will believe. It is a death trap to many souls.

      So is this love? Or is pulling them out of the candy stores and fast food shops and leading them to the garden of vegetables and every healthy food? Sure, they have withdrawal and want to go back to the candy and fast food – it tastes good and is instant … but we know where that leads.

      But here it gets even more serious … God is very serious. He loves His people. He won’t let the starvation continue on as it has forever. The cries of those souls are coming up to His ears. Thus He is sending out the Word about the true feast – the one He gives. Ezekiel 34 The truth is leaving the churches more and more every day. Most have not sought God, so it is going down the path of that choosing – lies, deception, which is the heart of Satan’s game play. Ephesians 5:11

      Lamentations 2:7 The Lord has spurned His altar, He has abandoned His sanctuary; He has given up the walls of her palaces Into the hand of the enemy. They have made a noise in the house of the LORD As on the day of a set feast.

      The prophets speak volumes of what is happening. Many think because of what they’ve been taught by others that their words don’t apply to them. All applies to us. We need to examine all of our lives by the Word of God.

      What is love? What is the most loving thing to do? But more important, what does God ask us to do? His love is perfect. We have to trust His leading, and it is clear He is leading those desiring the bread of heaven out of the candy stores and fast food chains.

    • my responce to all what has been said concerning assembling your selves together in the meeting house is if anyone has that true love of god in his heart and soul he or she she would never ever leave the regular church system unless forced out like excomunicated by the heads in authority of the place amen

  33. Clayton, I agree it is His work in us by the Holy Spirit that the world needs to see in believers. We are his workmanship, not our own. As Jesus is building the church, it’s his job to shape the living stones- us. Our desire should be to reflect Christ in us. It is to that the world would respond. Regards and Blessings..
    Martin

  34. Rachel I don’t agree, obviously with what you are saying. Your message can be divisive, destructive and contrary to what God has declared in His word.

    Thank you for you analogy I’m sorry you feel that way and think those things.

    The church I see and I’m a part of is held together by the Holy Spirit to help transform people to His potential. I love being part of what Jesus is building by His Holy Spirit.

    I’m not the one declaring a destructive message on the internet, but you have chosen to do this and it’s so loaded with untruths, fear, threats, guilt, condemnation that it’s hard to believe you are saying such things about His church. Your not talking about buildings and systems but people in buildings. You are talking about people living out what they believe is the will of God for their lives. I want to believe your intent isn’t to be like this but you clearly are not building but continue to tear down people in the church that go to a building.

    You interpret scriptures from the OT and then say they are talking about the NT church or context. Then in NT scriptures you refer to worldly, ungodly things as the church. I’m sorry your premise leads you to speak against the church. It would do you well to build instead of tear down.

    There’s a world that needs to hear the gospel, that Jesus loves them and can save them from their sins, death and the devil.

    You quote this scripture in reference to the church… wow, unbelievable.
    Eph 5:11
    Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

    Rachel your gospel is you won’t go to heaven if you go to a building that comes together as the church… that’s what I’m hearing you say. That is so shallow and void of God’s truth. It is the righteousness of Jesus that gets me into heaven, not some man made idea of a candy store.

    The whole NT is speaking to a church that gathers together on a mission to fulfill the great commission. I want to be what the words shows us to be!!!

    Acts 2:46-47
    46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,
    47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

    Clayton

    • Hi Clayton … not sure you are understanding at all what I’m saying by your comments, so it doesn’t make sense to keep going back and forth when their is no understanding.

      May we love others in all truth and sincerity. May we be rightly united to God as He calls us to. May we always put His Word above all others. And may our lives truly glorify Him.

    • Hi, Clayton! You are very right, clear and correct. I’d like to have a 1-st, maybe brief, conversation with you. I’m hoping to connect with me through skype: m.raynov (or Mitko i Mariela Raynovi). I’ll wait. Strive boldly!
      Mitko

  35. Isn’t it sad that in any small town there will be on one corner “The church of….” and on another corner , “The first reformed church of the….”” and on a third corner ” The Holy church of….” etc etc.
    There are sincere people who would be attending all three venues at the appointed time on any given Sunday, each of whom believing they are doing what they understand to be the Lord’s will for them.
    Perhaps the question is what is being worshiped- ? the particular religious franchise or the Lord of the Church? The true Church is a spiritual entity which the Lord is building by his Holy Spirit. It is not a brick and mortar enterprise. True worship is is in Spirit and Truth….

  36. On the other side, just a true… isn’t is sad that there people in that same town sitting in their wood and brick homes because they can’t worship with those in the wood and brick buildings because they are better and more arrived in the spirituality to need to walk with them…

    The question always is what is being worshipped. In some of those places they are worshipping wrong things and in others they are fulfilling what God set up in His Word – a large gathering of the saints and a small gathering in homes. Both of these are needed, not one or the other, but both. I good with home gatherings, life groups, cell groups, whatever you want to call them. Jesus had his 12 but he also made it a custom to gather at His Father house. The disciples in the book of Acts also continued this, Father’s House, and house gatherings.

    We cannont fulfill the big picture of God’s plan by by sitting in your home as a soloist. Another eample; think about the generosity of the Macedonia churches in the NT they were known for the generosity for building the Kingdom. These were not soloist having home meetings but these were churches united in corporate vision for the Kingdom of God. Their heart was to, “share in this service to the saints.” Verse 5 kinda speaks why they did it!

    2 Cor 8:1-5
    1 And now, brothers, we want you to know about the grace that God has given the Macedonian churches.
    2 Out of the most severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity.
    3 For I testify that they gave as much as they were able, and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own,
    4 they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharing in this service to the saints.
    5 And they did not do as we expected, but they gave themselves first to the Lord and then to us in keeping with God’s will.

    When we pull apart the army of God into little home gatherings we diminish the strength of the bodies gifts, visions, resources, finances, ect. We must work together. The Holy Spirit unites in spirit, so why and how can we ever think the same Holy Spirit is going to pull us apart into smaller soloist, individualized faith groups. I can’t do a lot things, but I can through supporting others by teaching, praying, financing, sending short missions teams, equipping, ect.

    I have never worshipped a brand of Christianity and don’t believe a majority of Christians do either. I have however seen many people try to live out a indiviualized Christianity, which really is a contrast of truth in what Jesus showed us to do.

    Matthew 26:42
    He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.”

    – sounds like another account of Jesus showing us that we need to think about others over our will.

    I’ll say it again; the church that gatherings in buildings fulfills the will of God together because each does it’s part.

    Eph 4:11-16
    11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers,
    12 to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up
    13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
    14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
    15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
    16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work. (NIV)

    Clayton

  37. John 4:19-24

    19 The woman said to Him, Sir, I see and understand that You are a prophet.

    20 Our forefathers worshiped on this mountain, but you [Jews] say that Jerusalem is the place where it is necessary and proper to worship.

    21 Jesus said to her, Woman, believe Me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither [merely] in this mountain nor [merely] in Jerusalem.

    22 You [Samaritans] do not know what you are worshiping [you worship what you do not comprehend]. We do know what we are worshiping [we worship what we have knowledge of and understand], for [after all] salvation comes from [among] the Jews.

    23 A time will come, however, indeed it is already here, when the true (genuine) worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth (reality); for the Father is seeking just such people as these as His worshipers.

    24 God is a Spirit (a spiritual Being) and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth (reality).
    AMP

    This passage illustrates what Jesus told the woman in regard to places of worship, as distinct from the nature and quality of worship. It is, essentially, an issue of relationship, not an address.

  38. Relationship with God and relationship with His church cannot be seperated. You have to love the church because Jesus died for it and sent the Holy Spirit and birthed the church. The address is where they gather in His name to fulfill His purposes. No gathering, no equipping – very simple. Eph. 4 is very clear on the purpose of the church.

    When the Apostle Paul gave His life to the Jesus He immediately was brought in relationship with an address of the church. He wasn’t left to go home and discover His own revelation or to do whatever he wanted to do with this revelation. No, Paul joined in and built together what God was already building and doing. The whole Bible is filled with people that followed God in the same way, including Jesus himself…

    This is not what is being said here on this blog. Why is it ok in the name of relationship to cut off relationships with people that believe in the church and why then promote this division and segregation of God’s people? The message given that I read is that those in the church (address) are lost and going to hell because God is done with it… that is not a message of relationship…

    People need a connection point, a place of encouragement, worship, gifts of the spirit, prayer, discipleship, mentoring, vision for the world, ect. You will not get that on your own and by promoting a message of individualized faith. The body of Christ is not one and is not divided but the true body of Christ gathers together to hear from God and accomplishes His truth through the body of Christ because the Head is the body is Jesus who calls the shots.

    Jesus established the church, eqiupped it, empowered it and continues to breath life through His church. Every where I go around the world I find the church of Jesus Christ commited to the commission of building, sacrificing their lives for the purpose of reaching the lost at all costs.

    • Hi Clayton — again, to not be in a local church building doesn’t mean that you aren’t a part of the true body of Christ, love that body and engage it deeply and in meaningful ways. It isn’t isolation by any means. Most church goers have been taught that fellowship = part of local church. That isn’t the case. Fellowship is gathering of believers anywhere anytime. Just last night my husband and I were talking about true fellowship. Often those in the church talk about the lack of true fellowship – it is a thin and superficial connection. Just because you are in a church doesn’t mean you have fellowship. True fellowship is something you engage in regardless of a church building. There are multiple verses about unhealthy fellowship. We are to honor God’s Word in all senses … so if healthy fellowship isn’t in the church – then it is somewhere else – God will provide; He is very powerful – but most don’t trust Him to provide but instead trust the church. The true church is the true believers and body of Christ that isn’t defined by walls.

      Much of what you say, sounds like you trust in the church system … verses God. It is the Holy Spirit that equips, God isn’t limited to a building to build His true church. The church systems are what create the massive divisions … look at all the denominations. If everyone came under the tutelage of Christ (as we are instructed – to make disciples of Christ) and not man, as they do in the church structure today, then they would be more united. The Spirit connects us … it is amazing to see how God connects the true body of believers – and it’s a powerful unity. The Holy Spirit teaches us … others can confirm and enhance, but the Spirit teaches us. 1 John 2:27 Our trust is to be in God, not humans. God provides every need. God is powerful. God is God. Many look to the church to provide when they should be looking to God. The Rock is God. Our fortress, trust on which we stand. When you really examine much of what you say, your dependency seems to be on the church – and not giving God the power? 2 Tim. 3:5

      Further, I haven’t said those going to church will go to hell. I don’t believe in the hell as most churches preach today for one. But two, I think God is far more merciful with His flock, as history shows, that has been lead astray by false doctrine. But that doesn’t mean they won’t suffer judgment and the consequences of following man instead of God. We reap what we sow. Though we often don’t reap the extent of it, this is God’s mercy.

      Clayton, look at what the church had become when Jesus came to earth? Look at how He spoke to the Pharisees … do you not think the church could become corrupted again? Don’t you think God could do something new again at Jesus’ second coming as He did at His first? He will. The Bible speaks of the New Jerusalem. e are seeing the preparations for that. God set that up that structure that became corrupt – but then man’s doctrines took over making it something it was never intended to be.

      We have to closely study all the Word and what it says about the times we are in now … we need to put our faith in God’s plans and not our own. We need to look to His Word for the truth. We need to trust in Him and His provision. The prophets speak of what will become of the House of God … and when you look around you see their prophecies coming true. It’s hard. My prayers go out to all … that all would come and seek God in truth and spirit and not know Him falsely because of misleading doctrines.

      Many resisted Paul’s words because it was so different from their traditions. God was doing a new thing. They clung to the old. May we not be bound by our traditions and not follow where God is leading us today.

      Church, no church, the focus should be on each one of us cultivating a relationship with God – then we will be able to hear His counsel and guidance. We are to be planted in the good soil, His truth, learning from Him by His Holy Spirit as He has instructed us. If we do, then we will follow where He leads which is according to His plans, not ours.

  39. Might one suggest that fellowship is relational rather than institutional. The church is a spiritual entity; believers are the living stones… Paul writes that “we are His workmanship…”
    In His mercy and grace ,Father God by his Holy Spirit, molds and shapes believers to conform to the character of Christ. Our decision is to be willing to enter the process. Sometimes we, as individual stones need to be chipped to remove the rough edges [attitudes, grudges, resentments etc]. The process may not be comfortable, but the end result will be brilliant. If only we could get it clear that it is the Lord’s construction project and not ours! May we be willing to be shaped and have our thinking renewed by the Word and the Spirit…

    • Hi Martin, love what you said here Martin. How true, it is God’s work and not ours. We so often want to take control, though we really can’t, to make ourselves feel like we are moving forward and doing something. But God is the Creator. Interesting, you comment strongly points to my blog post for this Monday. 🙂 Also, like how you phrased fellowship as relational rather than institutional. And may we all remember the most important fellowship and the one often neglected is with our Lord each morning.

    • My beloved failmy in India my name is Pierina and my husband is Philip, we belong to the failmy of Kingdom Ministries Bendigo.Oh how i rejoice within me that the nation of India has been captured by our God and that He has chosen you dear Pearson and Suganthy to be one of the firstfruits of Gods kingdom in India.I am grateful and joyfully read your email and watched the video through the internet. What a wonderful way to see failmy abroad.The Sovereign Lord has truly shown His justice and righteousness to the nation of India that His Glory may be shown forth. INDIA DOES BELONG TO JESUS.Our Love and blessings to you dear failmy ‘And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work.’ (2 Corinthians 9:8) Philip and Pierina

  40. Clayton how can a building being made of living stones? Doesn’t make sense. To be living stone is us in the spirit. A building is made up of bricks and mortar.

    “having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, CHRIST JESUS Himself being the CORNER STONE, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a temple in the LORD, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of GOD in THE SPIRIT.”

    How can a building grow, not including a building campaign? it can’t but a body of people can, through and on Jesus the Messiah. You are hung up on the term church, you are held onto a physical meeting place, no one here is denying that this is wrong if someone decides to go to a building on Sundays for worship. If someone decides to stay home and fellowship in a different way how is that wrong? You have to remember much of what Christianity teaches is not biblical. There is no solid evidence and proof to why everything in the “church” or Christianity is done the way it is. The last thing I think Jesus said was go make disciples…but we got more busy into building pretty little churches, as Leonard Ravenhill would say, they ended up turning the church into a corporation.

    You mentioned earlier that people who choose not to go to the traditional church think they are more spiritual. How can you say something like that when there are countless denominations that are blatantly doing that? The sheer fact of having another denomination just proves that they feel more “spiritual” because there doctrines are more biblical than the other. Not sure what your denomination is but you are doing the same thing, you are claiming we are doing by being more “spiritual.” why don’t you all meet with other churches and break bread together if you are so against that?

    How do you feel about those who who can’t meet in gathering or “church”? Because of the area they are in? What about some of the elderly who can’t go to a building on Sunday? What about the homeless man or even the ex convict. Case in point an old friend who runs a Prison ministry was trying to find a local church to plug in a couple of ex convicts who surrender there life to Jesus, meet with the “pastor” to talk to him about them going there, the pastor declined because of there past. Not sure what it was, but nevertheless they were turned away, guess there was no room at the inn! Many churches have gotten into there own world,there own style and comfortable with there own demographic area that anything outside of that is questionable. Read John 9. The man born blind, here this man was born blind, questioned and questioned, his parents were questioned. What did they do…NOTHING, they were more concerned about being in the Synaque and afraid of the Jews(sounds like church authority to me) the didn’t want to get thrown out. The son however was thrown out, and Jesus met him outside of the their system. “Jesus heard that they had put him out and finding him, He said “Do you believe in the Son of Man?” Don’t misunderstand me I am not saying that you can’t meet the Lord Jesus outside of the “church” and all are lost and miss guided who go to a traditional church, I just think this chapter is a good example of what others held to the only way back then to worship and hear from God. Shows that God is SPIRIT and must worship Him in Spirit. John 4:24

    “Anything that you love more than you love Jesus Christ is an idol. Don’t care what it is. I’m embarrassed to be part of the Church of Jesus Christ tonight, which is totally radically different from the New Testament, so impoverished, so blind, so powerless.”

    “I’ve come to this conclusion: there is a move of God in America today but not amongst the unsaved. It’s amongst the redeemed who are determined by the grace of God to be part of the bride and to be part of the bride you’ve to be divorced from everything in the world.”

    “Whisper in my ear that Satan has moved you up. He says you’re getting to be dangerous to his kingdom. He says you’re spoiling his plans, you’re thwarting his purposes, you’re pulling down his strongholds. We’re not pulling things out, we’re building pretty little churches and little rooms for people to sit around. If Jesus came back, He wouldn’t cleanse the temple. He would cleanse the pulpit.”
    *** Leonard Ravenhill, prophet of his time.

    Mike

  41. John 2:19-22

    19 Jesus answered them, Destroy (undo) this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again.

    20 Then the Jews replied, It took forty-six years to build this temple (sanctuary), and will You raise it up in three days?

    21 But He had spoken of the temple which was His body.

    22 When therefore He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this. And so they believed and trusted and relied on the Scripture and the word (message) Jesus had spoken. [Ps 16:10.]
    AMP

    Here, a great illustration by the Lord in respect of what is being built… stone and bricks or that which is built on Christ-the cornerstone of the church– it’s all relational..
    1 Peter 2:6-7

    6 For thus it stands in Scripture: Behold, I am laying in Zion a chosen ( honored),
    precious chief Cornerstone, and he who believes in Him [who adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Him] shall never be disappointed or put to shame. [Isa 28:16.]

    7 To you then who believe (who adhere to, trust in, and rely on Him) is the preciousness; but for those who disbelieve [it is true], The [very] Stone which the builders rejected has become the main Cornerstone, [Ps 118:22.]
    AMP

    Our true foundation is in Christ… what a gift…!
    Blessings..
    Martin

  42. I trust God and His word that declares an internal and external working of the church. What God does in side of us must come out of us for His glory. The church has an invisibile reality but must also have a external reality. The world looks to the external to see God, the physical church is so needed to display His glory in this world.

    Now the no’s;
    – no I don’t trust man over God, and by that I believe God to build His Church both physically and spiritually. Rachel your message to me sounds like a trust man more than trust God bc you are trecking your own thing and not what God has established and we are to building upon. Who are we, He is the builder we are to fulfill and build on it.
    – no I don’t trust all churches, just like you would trust any gathering in a home that says they are spiritually minded towards God… does it sound like I’m the kind of person that wouldn’t speak to something wrong in the church… I don’t think so…
    – no I don’t feel anyone is more spiritual, however I do believe people are being mislead and not following God’s will to build a church with leadership, accountability, equipping, sending, reach their community and world all from a physical gathering of the people of God.
    – no I don’t believe those that gather in a building are all saved – some are some aren’t

    Rachel you have said this about the church which stands out contrary to what I believe is truth found in God’s word;

    “It contains of those of God and those not, though I believe the true church is separating itself from the system as the end draws near.”
    – this statement is a not found anywhere in God’s word but I believe it shows that you are destructive of what God is building.

    “However, what you see in scripture and today is a man-made system that has connected/overlapped itself with the true church. … how much more so now?”
    – Rachel I see that you don’t believe in what the scripture speaks about the church which I do believe in 100%. God’s word is the only way.

    “From my experience and observation, this separation is guided by the Holy Spirit, just as someone coming to really know Christ as Lord is– it isn’t by the persuasion of a person.”
    – the same Holy Spirit that birthed the church on the day of Pentecost is now aborted it, that’s not the Holy Spirit.

    “This individual seeking under the tutelage of Christ isn’t found in the lives of most church goers.”
    – wow, how do you know that prehaps that judgement statement is at the core of what needs to change in your heart towards the church that gathers.

    “The church is presented and structured to have people learn from people, to trust in their words and their interpretations of words, not learn from God. The church leads people to be disciples of other people instead of Christ.”
    – part of discipleship is training and not only by words but by lifestyle. Jesus give this example as he trained His 12. Kind of sounds like the Apostle Paul’s words in 2 Cor 3:2-3
    You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everybody.
    You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

    “The churches starve souls.”

    – again wow… a general judgement on all of which their are true followers of God

    “The truth is leaving the churches more and more every day. Most have not sought God, so it is going down the path of that choosing – lies, deception, which is the heart of Satan’s game play.”

    – again a message of leaving the church is given. If Satan were to have a message would he be telling people to leave the church and become more individual… I think he would.

    “Further, I haven’t said those going to church will go to hell.”

    – that’s good, then because some of them are going to heaven AMEN!

    “I don’t believe in the hell as most churches preach today for one. ”
    – ok what’s this about? you don’t believe in hell… you’ll have to elaborate on this one please.

    – Rachel what’s your doctrine, scripture is not against doctrine I want to hear your doctrinal statement after hearing that you don’t believe in hell I’m confused where that came from… PLEASE TELL ME YOUR DOCTRINE!

    “I think God is far more merciful with His flock, as history shows, that has been lead astray by false doctrine. But that doesn’t mean they won’t suffer judgment and the consequences of following man instead of God. ”

    – I believe you are saying the church that gathers will be judged for gathering. Ahhh, what’s going on here?

    “Clayton, look at what the church had become when Jesus came to earth? Look at how He spoke to the Pharisees … do you not think the church could become corrupted again? Don’t you think God could do something new again at Jesus’ second coming as He did at His first? He will. The Bible speaks of the New Jerusalem. e are seeing the preparations for that. God set that up that structure that became corrupt – but then man’s doctrines took over making it something it was never intended to be. ”

    – Rachel the local church that I’m a part of is incredible. We gather with churches from lost of denomination once a year. There is co-operation in evangelism efforts, prayer and ministries. All these churches believe in and preach Jesus as the only way to the Father. They all teach if you call upon the name of the Lord you will be saved. The global church in our world is growing at unprecedented numbers. More people are being won to the Lord today than ever before. Is there bad, yep but where God moves so does Satan… Take a look at when Jesus ministered there was some bad things going on, yet He kept building… Yes, one day there will be new Jerusalem but lots has to take place including the changing our flesh to a new ‘tent’.

    Martin,

    In reference to John 4, what an amazing word God has given us. This scripture is really speaks to the reality of a inner working of the Holy Spirit of which I am so thankful for. It also shows us that the reality of the Holy Spirit coming would mean that this New Covenant was open to all that would call upon His name, despite ethic background and location. This scripture speaks of the invisible global church, internal working of God in our lives. What we need to be careful with is trying to make say something it doesn’t. Does the rest of scripture ignore the physical church, no. The apostles were apart of building a church with leadership/accountability, ect. – to the will of God. That message is found in a majority of the New Testament.

    For example Paul says this and then speaks of the qualifications needed for and elder.
    Titus 1:5
    The reason I left you in Crete was that you might straighten out what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you.

    Mike,

    Thanks Mike for your comments. Not sure you are getting what I’m saying. Of course I believe in the internal working of the Holy Spirit in our lives. I believe in both a spiritual and physically building of the church. There has to be a way to appropriate spiritually what is happening in our lives. It’s kind of like water baptism. I get water baptised not to be saved but to show that I am. The baptism doesn’t save me it just shows my commitment to God’s command to be baptised and publicly declare my commitment to Jesus Christ. When the church gathers together it doesn’t save them it just shows that they are committed to Jesus because of what He has done internally. I wear a wedding ring for the same purposes. The wedding ring is a symbol of my commitment but in no way does it make me married. Are all that gathered saved, probably not. Are all that don’t gather saved, probably not. When ‘christian’ choose to no gather with other church people to fulfill the call of God for them, the community and world then I do challenge them as to following God’s will or their own will. There’s nothing in my flesh to gather with a local church, it purely a spiritual commitment and testimony of my commitment and love for Jesus. I’m not saved because I attent a local church, no I attend a local church because I am saved.

    When ‘christians’ reject gathering together in a group sense to resource their giftings, talents, time, for the work of God it doesn’t communicate a physical commitment of an internal working of the Holy Spirit in their lives. Why? Because it’s not biblical, it’s not based on the truth of God’s word and what it does is weaken their ability to affect and reach the world through joint efforts of the local church. Tell me what you can do by yourself and I’ll tell you what I can through the joint efforts of the local church I’m apart of. My efforts alone might be similar to you, but when joined with a group I become part of something powerful for God.

    Denominations don’t bother me. What we doing on this site can be called defering denominations bc we don’t all agree with everthing that we are talking about. In our city we work with all the church here. Some more than others. We gather all together once a year for worship, prayer and word. We do joint evangelistic efforts. We gather in different location reaching different kinds of people in our city. Our local church reaches different people that the other ones reach, that’s not bad. When there is difference in personalities, intellect, emotional expression ect. people have to go where they feel connected. There are certain people that you connect with bc of similar connection points, what’s wrong with that? There are some church I would dry out in but man there are people in those church flourishing…

    I believe you have to connect at any level you can. If you live in a city with 20 churches find one that is fulfilling the great commission and go for it. If your elderly and can’t get out of the home do something to bring the church in your home. The NT church always found a way to gather locally despite persecution or any other hinderance. There are churches that gather in heavy persecution areas, and they do whatever it takes to meet together and joint together in their efforts to win the lost. That’s happening in persecution while in North America people are finding ways to get out of gathering and join together in efforts to win the lost bc they would rather keeping looking inside their lives to become better. It’s time we starting looking outside and reaching the harvest that is ready.

    The story you talk about is sad, and things happen like that probably more than we want to know. Personally speaking, we don’t have to ask to come to a local church, they should of went. There are probably people in the church that would of embraced those individuals and if not there’s another church down that street that would of.

    Mike, I know there’s problems in the church, that’s because there’s problems in peoples lives. Hey, there were problems in Jesus day and the Bible says he came ‘in the fullness of time’ – the perfect time. It was a bad time, the Pharisees, Sadducees, Zealots, Roman rule ect. but it was a perfect time. Jesus was a perfect leader, mentor, example, totally truthful, fully God, fully man but guess what every disciple deserted him at the cross, one of the disciples took money to betray Him… If Jesus couldn’t lead people to perfect neither can we. Jesus knew all of that was there and all of that would happen and He still went through it all because it was the Father’s will… I don’t know if Jesus was embarassed of the disciples, the Pharisees, ect of His day but what I do know is that He didn’t desert them. He stayed connected, prayed, blessed, went to teach even at the synagogue, reached the lost, discipled a team of 12, the list could go on and on… The love of Jesus was displayed by connection not by disconnection. If we truley love people (which can only come from God’s love in us) then we need to build every bridge we can to include and gather as many as we can to reach the lost at every cost. Anyone and everyone could come to Jesus and feel exceptance and grace but they better get ready because truth would be next because God wants to save them… With the Holy Spirit we can stay connected and make a difference.

    I can sit back and judge the church and those that gather in together and say lots of bad things about it but at the end of the day I can’t deny that Jesus said He was going to build the church and the apostles took that message a formed structures of leadership, church plants, ect. Was it spiritual yes, was it physically to yes. Only what is happening in the internal can be seen physically. Is it perfect, no but neither was the work that Jesus built even though He was perfect.

    The Kingdom of God is here and we need to show the world what God has done in our lives. We need to build and not tear. We need to follow the letters found in God’s word that show us structure and not just a caotic, individualized faith and at the end of the day we need to ask ourselves – are we reaching the lost…? If not you need to change what you are doing because it’s not working… and it’s for sure off track to what God has called us to.

    I don’t gather in a local church because I’m better or more spiritual. I gather in a local church because I’m not spiritual enough to know it all and need other voices that are perhaps younger in the faith, older in the faith, leaders, kids, youth, ect. I’m not capable of staying on track a single member of God’s family, but I need the whole body. I’m not capable of doing all things. I can only do part of the work but together with others the job is going to get down in our city.

    Ephesians 4:16
    From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

    • Hi Clayton,
      I want to begin by thanking you for the sustained position on your side of the conversation. I have been a follower of Rachel’s blog for the better part of this year, but have not spent as much time on a conversation like I have on this one, thanks to you.
      On the other hand I have tried to think why I have been kind of pulled to both sides of the conversation and I have concluded that both sides are committed to the truth. I have been in the institutional church for many years, but have always sensed some void in my pursuit of God even after faithfully listening to sermons every Sunday and even being involved in Christian ministry work. This led me to a personal search of the knowledge of God, as in seeking Him individually where I’d commit extended times of prayer and study of the His God. one of the effects of this has been an increased discomfort with the institutional church which eventually led to leaving the church organization I had been a part of for over 10 years last year. At that time, I thought it was just an issue of finding another church organization that I would be comfortable with, but since then I have come to find out that God was leading me to find Him outside organized religion and experience the Church (head and body) more organically.
      As I have followed the conversation, two scriptures have come to my mind and I want to share them:

      Phil 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

      1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

      There is a place for both individual part and corporate body of Christ a.k.a house of God in relating with Him. the stones are shaped individually so that they can fit well and function withing the complete house.
      I have appreciated what Rachel is doing over the short period I have interacted with her material mainly because she points people to God, towards building a relationship with their Father by spending time with Him in His word with the Teacher, the Holy Spirit. The nature of the new covenant is that we have an indwelling teacher, one needs only yield to Him:

      Jer 31 :33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

      34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. ”

      What I am trying to say is that there are some truths that only God Himself through the indwelling teacher, the Holy Spirit shall reveal to the individual believer. If my experience is anything to go by, I have grown so much more in the love of God in the last less than an year year than I have in the many years subscribing to the denominational institutions. granted there are many things I learnt over the years intellectually, but that is nothing compared by the knowledge written by God himself in my heart over the last couple of years.
      I hope my sharing will help you trust God to reveal to you what position to take on the issues that seem contentious.

      Patrick

  43. Hi Rachel
    Came across your site by ” accident ” :), searching the web, looking for more guidance on hearing the Holy Spirit, day to day….I have heard Him speak to me on occasion, but desire clarity when hearing His voice….I guess what I am trying to express is my desire to commune and hear Him 24/7….I did watch your video on this which was very helpful….when not engaged in contemplative prayer, how can we hear him throughout our day? Do you have thoughts on this? Blessings to you, I love your site!
    Pamela

    • Hi Pamela – learning to listen is such an important part of our walk – as God is our wonderful counselor and guide and His ways are not our ways.

      Continue to develop a relationship with God by spending time with Him each day in His Word and in prayer … as you do the awareness of His presence and ways will grow in your life as well as discernment to His voice. You will begin to hear Him more throughout the day. Also, take time during the day to stop, pray and refocus on Him. It’s a journey – but as we continue to make Him our first love, our ears will become more and more attuned to His voice. Don’t force it, hearing is the result of a growing relationship with God based in truth. Abide in Truth and trust He will speak so that you will hear. Just create the space in your life to be still to hear.

  44. Hello sister Rachel, I write you this hour gratful for the revelation the Lord has given you. Your video on you leaving the church hits home because I am going through something bery similar. On October 26 2011 I was 4 years in the Lord, I was 2 years in a pentecostal church where I learned much, good and bad. Its been 2 years that we left because things got bad with the leadership, which many had left before, and many after we did. These past 2 years the Lord has shown me so much and has changed me in such a way, its hard to recognize who I was. The thing is that I’ve looked for a church to fellowship and worship the Lord with others, but as arrogant as it might sound, there is a lot of error in most churches today. I’ve been to some where it seems are just dead, and to some where it seems demon spirits manifest. Praise the Lord for your videos because The Lord has used them to show me things and shown me I’m not alone. Sister, one thing I must warn you about, and I hope you get this message, in some vids you mention to read a version closest to the original language. I used the NKJV for the last 4 years but have found it is actually perverted. (whats wrong with the NKJV) Under the impression it was a modernized KJV, I chose it above the NLT, NIV, and so forth. The ESV, NASB are also bad because they change important words. You can look this up as well. (new age bible versions) There are many sites and vids on utube as well. (KJV vs NIV) As hard as it might seem to start new and learn new words with the KJV, its for a very important reason; I want the truth, I want Gods word. Some KJV are also tainted however, like the Zondervan publishers, which has ties to the Satanic bible, Thomas Nelson which has the NKJV, and the NIV does more than change words, they remove them. If you look it up as well, there is a lesbian and an athiest who also worked on the NIV! I found many who suggest getting a good KJV from Local Church Bible Publishers. They look very well made and they have wide margine and a Note Takers bible with half the page blank and half with scripture for alot of note taking, I remember hearing you say about wanting more space on your bible for notes. Well I’m sure you have much to do so thats it, but know you had part in blessing my life, and I will get deeper with my God and Father. The Lord bless you and keep you, that His grace and mercy abide with you, and He bring you to deeper revelation of who He is, and give you His peace that surpasses all understanding. Amen.

    • Hi Juan, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on this … I’ve done some research into this … I’ve seen the differences, crazy how the words get manipulated. What publisher of the KJV do you use?

      I agree this is so important, but even more is trusting the Holy Spirit to teach us … I trust God to show me the truth even in the Bible. If we seek and are faithful to seek from Him and no one else, He gives us the hidden manna .. the Truth that only comes by His Spirit, yet is confirmed by the Bible. 1 John 2:27. THis is why the Holy Spirit is so important in our lives .. all the corruption.

      I’ll be praying for you and your journey into God’s Truth, it is tremendous to begin to walk in His promises.

  45. Dear Rachel,
    I am a newbie Christian who has just come across this site. I find it amazing I love it. I think Rachel you are just truly amazing and you really do have some great followers. I am hoping I learn a great deal from you and the knowledge and love deep in your heart. I am open to everything you have to say and have to offer. I am 36 and have only just discovered God through a dear Christian friend who prayed for nearly four years that I would make the Journey. So all I know at the moment is God works in amazing ways. I have so much yet to learn and I am only in my 9th Week of Alpha course. I will add though although I came from a very extreme atheist background, I think I always knew something or someone was always there I just realized it was God.
    http://myjourneyintohappiness.blogspot.com/
    Regards,
    Alison

    • Hi Alison, I can’t tell you how excited I am for the journey you are embarking upon,and it is a journey. I’m not familiar with the Alpha course?? I look forward to checking out your blog … and if you would like someone to walk along side with you, I would be happy to. You can check out more about it under the mentoring tab. 🙂

  46. without wanting to cause any offense the ‘alpha course’ is run by mainstream christianity mainly under the false teaching of church of England and other ‘protestant ‘demonations that all in some form or other follow and adhere to the unbiblical doctrines and unScritural teachings of the unholy roman church,….and sadly many who truly want to learn the Truth about Our Father and His Son wont or dont search for,..and find that path that has only one course and Only One Teacher…..but as you say Rachel,those on the course, wont lead or follow, but more than happy to walk along side with any brother or sister and share any or all lil pearls of wisdom they need .

    • Hi Brian, thanks for sharing as I wasn’t familiar, but pretty much anything coming out of main stream Christianity and the church system is tainted in these days as we approach the end. We’ve been warned over and over in the Word of this. We’ve been given who we need to know God, Himself in the Holy Spirit. And as others encourage us along – it is a powerful defense.

  47. Rachel, Hello from Tyler Texas. I can’t say I stumbled accross your website, but can tell you speak the wisdom of the Father by the indwelling Holy Spirit. I believe I have watched the majority of your video’s… amazing depth. May God touch you in more exciting and rich ways. Rick Kerr

  48. Greetings Rachel, I’m not sure about main stream church, what I am sure about is we are here on this site by the grace of God, and saved by that same grace through faith lest any man should boast. To Glorify God? Yes and to learn to live lives pleasing unto him.
    Love is greater than knowledge. May we learn what true experiential Christianity is. The life of the Spirit, the leading of the Spirit, being led by the Spirit, the word of Christ richly dwelling in our heart oh so fuel”s the Holy Spirit to move in our life’s as we yield. A closing comment scripture verse for thought. Romans 12:9…
    Be devoted to one another in brotherly love, give preference to one another in honor, contribute to the needs of the saints, be fervent in prayer bless and curse not. Acts 2:42 my heart yearns for the Kingdom of God to be manifested in our hearts and life’s. It’s our life God is after personally and our love collectively and our passion for lost souls and willingness to make disciples by giving others our time when led and needed as Jesus modeled for us. It does require a laid down life of and may we learn to love each other with sincere hearts, have a passion for lost souls. With the depths of Gods love for us that he has made every provision for our life’s it’s a blessing that He has revealed to us His holy ways. As they grow in us they are by know means burdensome. Wow we are His friends. His Sons and Daughters children of the king heirs with the Father and Co heirs with the Son. May learn to manifest His Kingdom in our life’s and those around us. Have a blessed night and thank you for sharing from your life in Christ. A blessing truly. Encouragement to you and Glory to God!!!

  49. Hi Rachel, ran into one of your short videos that was posted on So4J.com, I linked over to your site after that. I have been a born again chrisian since 9-10-88. My walk however has recently changed in ways only described as miraculous! You are so right! He is waking up his beloved bride! When I listen to your short videos, the holy spirit is a witness to the truths you speak. There is a beautiful utube video that is simply stated and little over 11min. It’s called “A vision of the bride of christ” “As received by Anita September 12,2011” Please check it out. The cover is a picture of white roses with purple font. Hope you find the right one. If not, I can always send the link. It perfectly encompasses what is going on right now within the hearts and minds of true believers. Check it out, its so annointed. I know it will bless you. I praise Jesus for bringing your website across my path (as I hunger for his righteousness) I look forward to your fellowship through your website. I have returned to my first love! Teresa

    • Hi Teresa,

      Thanks for sharing … the images of the bride were beautiful and stunning … told so much. But I wonder … is He returning first in us? Is that the rapture … for we are the temple to hold the spirit of God. Many are expecting someone in the sky … at least at first … what if He comes within us as the scriptures also talk about?

      Rachel

  50. Hi again Rachel, I sent the link to “Vision of the bride of Christ” to rachel@stirringthedeep.com. Much easier that trying to find by name. Enjoy:)
    Teresa

  51. Hi, thanks for your reply! As I listen to your video’s and read your replys to others’ comments back n forth, there there is so much knowledge being shared. I am absorbing like a sponge and I recognize fully the truth when I hear it! (Thanks to the holy spirit). I work a full time job but every waking moment I have,I am in the word listening and searching. Please address in full what you are referring to in regards to what the scriptures say about coming within us rather than the sky. I would love to understand further. Yes we are the temple of the holy spirit and I am not my own. Also, are you possibly under the impression the body of true believers will go through the 7 year tribulation? If you have a video already prepared with your beliefs, let me know. I can view that too, and then ask questions. Thanks! You are serving God for sure!
    Teresa

    • Hi Teresa, I will be doing more videos on this very thing as God directs. I believe that the true believers … will be protected during this time but that they will be here. I’ve spoken about that some in my videos in regards to the rest that I talk about … but I’ll go in further detail — hopefully this week God willing.

  52. last comment as anonymous is “Schempre”…you probably figured that out! Oops new to blogging! not smooth yet 🙂

  53. Rachel,

    Greetings in Yeshua’s Holy Name!!! I “noticed” your site on here and said I had to ask for your prayers. I am a minister myself, but God has began “opening” my eyes in ways like never before! The Holy Spirit has given me a ” Levitical – Prophetic Revival Series ” that has already had great results in a local jail! It’s kind of scary though… I must admit!!!

    This series has me looking powerfully at Mystery Babylon The Great, and it has me saying that the modern day Church World is her!!! I love the church greatly, and it get’s me so angry to know how the Church was so “forcefully” uprooted from it’s “Judeo – Christian” soil and teachings, and then placed into “Babylonian” soil and teachings!!! I have felt the strong calling to take this before Churches that will allow me to do this, exposing what Constantine had done and how it’s caused us to “mutate” into something that we were not supposed to be! We teach false teachings, celebrate Babylonian – based holidays in a “Christian” cover!

    This has to be exposed… and in “dreams and visions” I’ve “recently” began receiving… I have “seen” myself being used to take this message to the Church and help her to “Come Out Of Her My People”!!! You are the first person I saw “may” have a similar view to me on this, and if you would like… feel free to write me back with your views on this particular thing. May God Bless You in all you say and do! Have a great day!

    Sincerely Written,

    Brian

  54. I wanted to let you know that I nominated you for the One Lovely Blog Award! You can find it over at http://cleansedbygod.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/one-lovely-blog-award/

  55. hi rachel i am so glad to have found you, i am so inspired by your insight. About a year or more ago i was enjoying the word when all of a sudden i just started laughing and saying out loud that He was going to save us all, but as quick as that happened my wonderful wife said that that is not correct. She has been in church for 25 years after accepting christ as savior aafter a pretty rough time in her life. It was shortly after we were married. Why i am writing is I have come back to the truth of salvation of all mankind and have had such a peace it is hard to explain. Soon after this 2 doves landed within 5 feet of me and sat there for quite some time at least 5 minutes and i am wondering if there is any significance to that other than Father showing His love for me I know in leviticus it talks about 2doves for offerings for offerings

  56. hi rachel i am so glad to have found you, i am so inspired by your insight. About a year or more ago i was enjoying the word when all of a sudden i just started laughing and saying out loud that He was going to save us all, but as quick as that happened my wonderful wife said that that is not correct. She has been in church for 25 years after accepting christ as savior aafter a pretty rough time in her life. It was shortly after we were married. Why i am writing is I have come back to the truth of salvation of all mankind and have had such a peace it is hard to explain. Soon after this 2 doves landed within 5 feet of me and sat there for quite some time at least 5 minutes and i am wondering if there is any significance to that other than Father showing His love for me I know in leviticus it talks about 2doves for offerings .I have been in love with the Lord going on5 or more years now and am consumed with knowi
    ng Him better every day all day. I am so blessed

    • Hi Dave, I’m so thankful that God is opening your eyes to this truth .. and as you embrace what He is telling you .. you will receive more. God of the religion of Christianity (versus true Christianity) is a false God … because He is full of false images and lies. When we start to wake up to parts and listen … God will reveal the extent of the lies to us.

      I love the point about the doves …

      Keep seeking, there is an amazing love, transformation, glory, freedom and power that comes when you start abiding in truth.

      Rachel

  57. Rachel, You deactivated your Facebook account!

  58. Thanks for letting god use you. Your teaching are spirit-led. I tryed commenting you YouTube but forgotten my password. To tell you thanks & keep doing what u doing. We need people to teach spirit-fill message.

    • Hi Alex, there is nothing more glorious than growing into the presence of God, which means we grow in truth and love. I’m simply sharing what I’m witnessing happening .. these are critical days for each soul and my prayer is that many will be seeking God in truth and spirit.

  59. I just have to tell you how you played a part in a blessing that I received today. About a half an hour ago I said a prayer asking God to let me feel His love for me. I have allowed myself to become a slacker, and I realize that I was not going to God for help with this issue as much as I should be because I do not have a true understanding of what godly love is. Nevertheless, I did a google search and came upon your article “KNOW God’s Love”. It really was a nice read, but because my heart is not always open to His love, it all just sounded like familiar words to me….

    Now, you sited Luke 11:9 in your article and I am not familiar with it, so I decided to look up that scripture in my bible. As I flip through my bible, I noticed that one of the page corners was folded down by accident and looked like it had been for some time. I pulled the corner of the page back up and preceded to flip to the book of Luke. But then I decided to look to see what was on that flipped down page. Can you believe it, the page that was folded down was Matthew 27, the story of the crucifixion. What greater way for God to remind me of His love than leading me to the story that demonstrates just how great his love truly is? I cannot think of one. I feel so convicted, and blessed that through you I was led to that reminder. God bless you.

    -Ashley

    • Hi Ashley — Knowing the love of God is something many people struggle with because of the corruption of love in this fallen world and the mulitude of false images around God created by religion that create a hypocritical love and call what is good evil and evil good.

      There is no greater pursuit than the true love of God and it is an individual journey for there is nothing of this world to compare it to. Pray to know His love in truth. Spend time each day learning from God … seeking to be taught by Him and listening to Him guide you in your spirit. He will reveal Himself to you; if you ask and seek.

      I’m praying for your journey into the deepest, purest love one can know.

      Rachel

  60. Wow Rachel you are a truly inspiring spirit. I feel God has guided me to find you so I can develop my relationship with ‘him’ in a deeper and deeper way. I resonate deeply with with your truths. Thank you for taking the time to share what you have learnt on your journey. I feel very blessed to have found you. Love Letitia

  61. Hi Rachel. Led to this site by a friend, Listened and read for 3 months. Now. A shift from an observer to a absorber. One can never stop learning. Especially from others.
    Thanks

    • Llew … thanks for sharing your progress with me .. it brings great delight for to absorb His truth and for it to become a part of us is the narrow path to eternal life.

  62. Hi Rachel. Thank you for sharing, and God bless you.

  63. Good afternoon, Rachel,

    Re listening to the Holy Spiirt, what Bible to you suggest?

    Thank you, and God bless you and your ministry,

    Jack Haines

    • Hi Jack .. it isn’t so much the Bible but the Holy Spirit giving you the interpretation of it and not man. That being said some versions are loaded down with man’s interpretations .. so I suggest KJV, NKJV. Truly trust the Creator, our eternal Father, who is able to teach you and show you Himself and use those words as a testimony to what you are learning of Him; and reveal more of who He is through them.

  64. Dear Rachel, my name is Arthur Curtis Lockridge from norcross ga. I viewed some of ur videos and I WAS IMPRESSED TO write you. i am not saved or born again but i thought i was for 27 years. 36 months ago Jesus Christ ask me if i was ready to die. without hesitating i said yes yes yes then Jesus said to me this is what i want you to do.Do What Jesus Did D W J D…I said I will.the first thing i want you to do is give your corrupt flesh to satan and tell him that i stripped him of all his power and your spirit and soul belong to me. satan has to obey God. iT IS WRITTEN. I GAVE MY FLESH TO SATAN IN JOHN 13/26-27. i oedered Judas to turn me over to the religous jews and crucify me so i could be raised in 3 days. my own flesh could not enter my own kingdom. I came that i might save your soul but i didnot save one ounce of your corrupt flesh. you will have to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. well i did what Jesus said 36 months ago and he open up my understanding on all scriptures. He said that the kjv 1611 bible is the closest version to my truth. but no man or bible verson drew me to the truth only God drew my spirit to his spirit. it would take me a few years to tell you how God has brought me true peace and love. Jesus said that i was the only one that could save my soul. I didnot save ur soul but i showed you how to save your own soul a greater work than I ever did saith christ. D W J D quickly.ilove your spirit and soul and i hate ur flesh . Jesus said he would never make the choice for me. I must choose to lose this life before i die. i have a spiritual body being held captive inside of my natural flesh body that God gave to satan in Ge:3:14.. my body was made from dust and satan will devour my flesh just as he did the flesh of Jesus. there is only one body that satan did not get and that was moses/enoch. and they will come back as the two witnesses and satan will get their flesh at that time. when you read exodus realize that your spirit is Israel and your flesh is Egypt and see what God did to get Israel free from Egypt. oh well i could go on for years but just a couple of things Jesus told me. Judas Iscariot is with me in heaven so is lots wife they both chose to lose this life in this perverse world ti preserve eternal life with God. If you love this l(if)e you will lose it but if you will lose this li(f)e for my sake you will save or preserve or find the life i intended for you before i put Adams spirit in bondage to his own flesh/dust.this was to give Adam a free-will to choose between evil flesh and good spirit. God concluded all in unbelief that he MIGHT have mercy on all. God sent a strong delusion un to all to be(lie)ve a lie. The big lie is that you are born again and you are saved. Salvation and being born again can only happen after you choose to lose this life before your flesh dies. pray for me that i will endure until God takes my breath away. the last breath of Gods saints is one leaving this body an exhale or exiting hell. this lump of dirt is not the temple of God but the body on the inside of this body is the temple of God. I can see ur flesh but i cant see ur spirit. save what God gave you and give satan what God gave him. very simple but only a remnant will be(lie)ve the real truth. there is no church in this world preaching this gospel. only christ the real christ not the counterfeit jesus behind every pull pit pulling the sheep into their pit. let the real true God bless you today..

    • Hi Arthur, some very interesting thoughts here .. in what you have learned and how. It’s always interesting to see how God communicates concepts to each of us. You’ve expressed a lot of deep concepts .. some things to reflect upon. You’ve made some points that I try to share with others to combat the lies from religion about what salvation truly is. And as I trust God to open the eyes and ears of the souls at the right time .. it is great to see others “seeing” these truths.

      May you continue to grow in all grace and knowledge.

      Rachel

      • Dear Rachel, I know now U R seeking the T-ru-T-H because U did not call me a hairy tick regarding the points God had revealed to me. My family and church have disowned me and now I am Isolated by my self with my three friends. The Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost. What a group to be isolated with. Very few believe the truth. If U R interested I will write U a letter and give U scriptural proof of the truth that God has drawn my spirit to. One truth that U need to know is that God does not have mercy, grace or favor for flesh. He spared Not his own son, but delivered him up for us all…..God is a Spirit and He hates all flesh….even his own flesh…..his own spirit and soul were in bondage to his flesh which Jesus gave to satan in john 13:26/27….the entire bible is a story about God transforming the first Adam that did not have a free will to choose whether or not to obey God. Transform him into the second Adam/Jesus that would have a free-will to choose between evil flesh and good spirit. This was not an easy task even for the Son of God. He said the flesh is weak but the spirit is willing. I love your spirit and soul Rachel. You have God in ur name. Ray is a beam of light from heaven and the C is for U to see God.H is God. God put an H in Abram to make him Abraham…He put H in Sarai to make her Sarah..so they could have a child at 99 and 90 years old. The EL in Reachel is as U know is God. Thank you again for understanding the Truth….Arthur d
        Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

      • Hi Arthur,

        First of all what you did with Rachel .. beautiful! … thanks for sharing.

        Two, there is a great separation happening in the hearts of people as the true God they serve is being made evident, and yes most don’t truly know the true Heavenly Father. But for those who do .. what a blessing to give the light of understanding to others.

        As for the flesh … some deep thoughts there as you know. Here are some thoughts …

        The flesh refers to the corrupted will of mankind and what it creates .. versus the actual physical creation. God loves His creation .. hates the corruption. Jesus had no corruption. The Father didn’t slay Him, man did. But Jesus gave up His life because in that act, he entered death so that He could save us from death by entering us and thus redeeming us. Which is very different than an angry god slaying his son in our place .. that is not the true picture but one born out of corrupted doctrine of the church system.

        Yes. The flesh, all that comes from a corrupted mind, the Father hates because it destroys His creation, His children. This is why through that amazing plan of salvation .. He gives us a part of His mind to reign in us for eternity .. and when you know Him this is your utmost desire to be a part of Him.

        Rachel

  65. Hi Rachel
    I was wondering if you would know how god would direct us into our destiny as far as where I am best suited to help this world career wise. My life has been in a constant state of change with so many awarenesses from god and I am left with my reasons for doing my work or even desire to do the work were false and crumbled . For the first time in my life I feel gods love, joy etc and my wife and I have grown by leaps and bounds in this tumultuous time but we seem left without clear direction as to our path forward and where best to serve.

    davidsmith@godscountry.biz

    • Hi David — great question and I just put up a video on my youtube channel that talks about it … “Reshaping the Mind to Abundant Life”

      Seek the things of the spirit; peace, loving kindness, gentleness, honor …, and seek God’s wisdom each morning in these things for what is happening in your life. God will direct your steps. Focus on learning and living in the characteristics of the spirit .. and God will establish your life, thus purpose, in the physical.

      Rachel

  66. Hi Rachel, EW here. May I add to David’s question & your statement? Your response is part of the, “go into the hiways & hedges and compell them to come!” This day & time is very difficult for anyone that does not hold the Spirit of the Lord. Everyone that sees the “TRUE” Spirit of the Lord in another person is at least interested, which is, giving the testimony of Jesus, which is, so very desperately needed.

  67. Hi Rachel
    I spoke with someone today that pointed out that although I seem uncertain with my current occupation that I seem to have exhibited alot of pride in my different accomplishments in the past and that maybe its just my current anxieties that are confusing me. I wonder though, if I am feeling proud of my accomplishments if I am not just looking to satisfy my need for approval. When I don’t get the reaction or if I don’t meet my standard on a particular job I feel unplugged. When I talk about all that God has done in my life and the difference he has made in my life I seem to be charged up without any response. Just the expression and the love and gratitude that God has given me in my life so far excites me beyond belief. I sometimes feel like a preacher as I go on and on about the changes he has made in my life and the thought of being able to pass this on to other people. I was really lost and have made many dramatic changes in my life with god so far. Most people seem to think that I should just carry on with what I am doing now but I feel restless and feel as If I have so many other talents to offer. Your feedback would be appreciated. Your video’s seem to be exactly where I am in life everytime I watch.

    davidsmith@godscountry.biz

    • Hi David,

      The spirit of God guides directs your actual steps as He is your wonderful counselor. All the expectations about what your life is to look like and the actual physical things we do we are to leave up to His handiwork. Don’t worry about them in other words; but focus on the things of the spirit (peace, harmony, kindness, mercy, love, joy, honor, righteousness). For His paths never lead where we expect .. so it’s best to let go and let Him direct .. which He will do by at least two things:

      1. Your steps are directed as you seek to walk in His wisdom. We are to seek His wisdom as to what creates peace, loving kindness, mercy, holiness .. etc in our lives and the lives around us. Matthew 6:33 Not worrying about the actual physical events and things .. but the wisdom that makes those events reflect His nature.

      2. As we focus on the things of the spirit (Gal 5:22-23) … and come fully committed to letting God direct our steps where they may lead (letting go of pre-defined physical expectations of our future), then we are malleable for Him to move us as He desires .. which He’ll do by directing you by your desires. Once you come to a point of wanting only a life of infused with His loving kindness, then you can trust your desires in the day to day for this is how God guides you. Psalm 37:4, Psalm 62:5

      God operates very different from this world. This world is about what we do, setting physical goals, very focused on the appearance of outward appearances. God works from within out. As you become a part of His nature by communing with Him each day and learning of His wisdom that manifests His spirit, then your path grows up around you. You walk down one hallway headed toward a desire of your heart to find other doors along the way.

      Make Sense?

      Rachel

  68. It makes perfect sense Rachel thanx. I can move forward in this way, I’ll keep you posted. When I ask to do his will and surrender to that, I ask that I be his voice and let him guide me and speak his words and it is funny how I seem to go through my day speaking differently with some than others, wondering why and then later seeing that events seem to unfold that have got to be a result from his words spoken through me in my life. Life feels like a mystery unravelling. Wow, to cool.

  69. My God, we had been laying around worried sick feeling sorry for ourselves etc for being so far in debt and now with God in our lives and the knowing that when we are connected to him and in faith with him we are grateful for all we have learned from the experience of getting into this situation but we are giddy with joy and laughter and find that the price of this debt is small and all but worth it in all that we have learned and that it has given us in our lives and relationship. I thank God for directing me to your site Rachel as it is a part of this amazing journey that my wife and I are on. We follow you and your teachings as well as others that God miraculously puts in front of us. I watch for the face of the messenger, does it match with the messege. You teach peace and love and wisdom and you exude these qualities and that is plain for the eye to see. I know the truth when I see it. Thank you so much.

    davidsmith@godscountry.biz

  70. “Perfect love casts out fear” The scripture along with 1Cor Ch.13 is how i began my life in the way.. I sought out every aspect of love both secular and scripural, read countless books troughout the ages of writings, studied poetry and the art of making love to a woman.. (came to mastery)Learned to fly and sing, i travelled around the World, went racing, wrestled angels, wrestled God, practiced, tested, prodded and fought.. I cried out to God countless times in defence of people for the craftiness and level of deception used on us by the fallen one. Only now, have i come to the gate where i can see the error of the Love in the World. I am at the end of the World, out of everything, at the end of everything where is also the begginning; The first commandment; I stand in awe and amazement at the grandure and the enormity of His love and mercy…speechless.
    -Sonne

    • Hi Sonne – the love this mankind’s wisdom understands is covered in lies, fears, false images including the understanding of the love of God. Once you realize you don’t understand love .. and start seeking to know it from the true source, the Creator and our heavenly Father, He begins to teach you what it is .. and it is nothing as the world presents it because pure love is found in pure truth. This is such an important realization for people to come to .. even to know the true God.

      • Pure love!? then it cannot be about words.. This is outside the operating system of the world of commerce;

  71. Rachel, I have watch many of your videos and to my amazement I have only heard truth. God has revealed the same truths to me through the holy Spirit. I believe that I’m one of the chosen because of the truths that I’ve received. I’m not stating this because of pride or ego. It’s just the only thing that makes since. There are many other reasons I wish I could share them with you. I was watching one of your videos when a thought came to me, you remind me of John the baptist preparing the way for Christ. I’m posting this comment in hopes that you could help me with something. Although God the Father has given me many wonderful revelations and shown me wonderful things to come I feel like I’m stuck and haven’t moved forward for the last 2 or so years. I was thinking it may have something to do with the injustice within my own household. Maybe I’m right where I should be at this time or I could be standing in my own way of receiving. If the the Holy Spirit moves you to respond I would be grateful.

    • Hi Samantha …

      The truths of God are now pushing into our reality, our day to day, in a way they never have before as Christ spirit is being joined to ours. This means that obedience to the leading/prompting of God’s spirit of wisdom in us is paramount .. for this is how truth becomes our truth in our reality. If there is “disobedience” in your life then that will block you from moving forward with God, the spirit of wisdom, until you move in obedience in that area, as truth builds. So once your are moving into obedience in the one area, God will show you the next, and so on. In the process you and your life transforms to be totally align, ruled and governed by His spirit forming in you. So whatever area God is showing you in your life that isn’t honoring to Him, His spirit in you, or to others you have to start seeking God’s wisdom on how He wants you to proceed to move into honor .. for living in honor is living in love and truth. Because you mentioned your household .. there is probably some act or words to speak that the spirit of truth within you is calling you to do. Seek the next step.

  72. Hello Rachel
    I am glad l came across your site. My name is Leonah from Zimbabwe, Africa. I am a mum of two in a very complicated marriage where my husband has another wife. I am very lonely most of the times as he doesn’t sleep at my house but the first wife’s. My kids long for their dad always, he doesn’t come home everyday. I have decided to leave this hurtful relationship and start my life afresh but lm concerned about my kids as they love their dad so much. I was thinking though looking back that the only way to move forward and live a good life with joy and peace is when l am in Christ and He in me. I wanted to understand what seeking the kingdom of God meant and entailed and so l logged onto the internet and cam across this site. I have read quite a number of your sharings here and have really made sense and inspired me. At the moment lm so lost, dont know what to do with my life but what l know though is that with God l will be fine.

    Please help me on how l can start my life with God and build that good relationship with Him. I have a lot of questions that l would like God to answer pertaining my life.

    • Hi Leonah, You are courageous for seeking a honoring relationship; may you find a deep honor for yourself and others. As you learn the truest of love and honor, in that love your children will be blessed. God is your perfect counselor .. He knows all your situations and what they entail and best how to guide you through them. Take it one day at a time. Spend time each morning in communion with God; writing, reflecting, listening. You meet God deep within your spirit; He speaks to us from a pure conscience within us. It is our promise if we seek we will find. If your desire is for the true Creator who is pure love to govern your life .. He will fulfill this desire. Let go of your expectations and let Him establish each step … Listen and follow the promptings of your heart that honor all. Don’t worry about all that lays ahead, focus only on the present and seek the wisdom that creates peace and pure love in your life. You are greatly loved by the heavenly Father .. never doubt this love, but put your trust in it; learn to trust it. He will guide you perfectly. My prayers are with you and your family.

  73. thank you very much Rachel, l will follow that. may the good Lord richly bless you and continue annointing you as you show and bring the world to His LOVE and Grace. Thank you again for your prayers.

  74. Rachel, I am Gregg Provenza’s mother. I apologize for his hurtfull ways. He’s hurting others with those videos. I want him to stop! However, he needs God’s help. Those who don’t understand scripture fall right into his hands. It saddens me so very much.We have no contact with him. He hates us as he hates most everyone. Difficult events led him to this horrible place. This is truly spiritual warfare. We’ve had many people pray for him. He wasn’t always like this. I can’t look at his videos. That CAN”T be my son I think. But it is! You may email me if you wish. I am a born again believer. I love the Lord. I just recently got a computer after being without one several years. Today was the first time I came across your website. A spirit of discernment is something I often have asked the Lord for. Your Ministry seems like the real thing. Gregg could do so much good if he wasn’t such a mess. He has always been a hard worker and puts his all into everything he does.Unfortunately, right now he doesn’t know WHAT he’s doing. The enemy steps in if the door is open. Please pray that he’ll release my son in Jesus name! We will continue to pray as well. Thank You

    • Hi Velma, every one of us needs God’s mercy every moment … for even when we try to do good we can end up hurting others. Thus we are all the same. This is why we need God to own our mind and establish every thought and every word; for words are very powerful. When you realize this need to be covered in God’s mercy you are exceedingly grateful for the mercy God gives so abundantly. We are all on our path trying to do the best we can. We help each other with the awareness that we all need God to take over our lives in every breath.

  75. Rachel, I want to add something to my comment that I believe is vital to our Christian walk. Hebrews 10:24-25 Let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works……Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. The body of christ needs to come together. We need to support one another, pray together, worship together. We also need to support missions, feed the poor etc. We have ministries to support single mothers and many other groups. Bible study, sunday school and VBS. Vacation Bible school is wonderful for our children. When we seperate ourselves into small groups it’s too easy to start making our own rules. Trust me, I know someone who fell into that and regrets leaving the church. As the body of Christ we need to be accountable to one another. It was on my heart to share this with you. In His Love, Velma Provenza

    • Hi Velma, I appreciate your care … I don’t believe in organized religion as it is an establishment of mankind and not of God. Thus by the structure itself, people telling you who God is, people end up serving images of who God is presented to be and desires of them .. instead of seeking to truly know God as their perfect Father and following His lead from within themselves.

      The outward nature of organized religion creates false images; thus why Jesus gave of His spirit, so we could know truth and live from within out. The outward nature of organized religion is of the old, before Christ, and neglects the newness of how we are to be now. Thus, trust in various areas of people’s lives often goes to the organization instead of God. Jesus came not to establish organized religion – He never spoke of it except against it – but to show us how God is love and mercy and that He is to penetrate every aspect of our lives, thus every relationship.

      In this I’ve found the most beautiful relations. What God desires is love in truth .. and He has lead me in paths that have created more and more love in my life, thus true connections that I never knew was possible. When you draw near to God, who is love, you long to give and receive love full of truth … thus you love more, not less.

      God leads you perfectly in your life according to His purposes, which you find are perfect and absolutely fulfilling in your life. Many follow a religion of Christianity .. but to be a follower of Christ, the Word of God, in your life is what creates TRUE love, peace, and power. It is a very different reality. When you are a seeker of truth, the Word of God, God is your teacher and guide .. and will never let you go astray for He is faithful.

  76. I took the time to read all of Clayton’s remarks and I must respond again. Clayton you have amazing insight. God has blessed you with a true spirit of discernment. The devil comes to steal, kill , and destroy as God’s word tells us. To break down the unity and fellowship in our churches would delight him. There’s strength in number and he knows that. There will be (and already is) much deception in these last days.Many will seek thier own agenda to elevate themselves, but call it Christianity. As I believe you said Clayton, self seeking. Christ is the only one we must elevate. Matthew 24:24 tells us that if possible even the most elect will be deceived. Pray for discernment believers. If we truly surrender ourselves to Him He will show us the way. Not our way, but His. God bless you Clayton. You made my day.

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  78. Hi Rachael. I just want to say, thank you for your videos. They have been a means of relief and guidance in a time of great confusion and loss of hope and direction. I wish I were experiencing the fullness of peace you are now experiencing. It seems after last year I was flowing in Gods peace but fell badly after one act of disobedience and my whole life fell apart. It was devastating but through it all God has strengthened me and I have held unto His promises to guide me through. I have been struggling in a pit where the enemy had me in a corner and was refusing to allow me out. It was such a struggle to come out but I persevered with the Lord on my side and much praise and worship. I am now just about to emerge into my destiny but am lacking a few things. I have always loved the Lord and He knows what I need. I just want to be free to walk in the fullness of His truth and many things have come against me to stop me from doing so. God told me two years ago that “His banner over me is love”. I have been severely trialed and tested in the area of love and have experienced the enemy in my own home, poisoning my family members and me having to pray in tongues to release God’s warrior angels to fight on their behalf. I feel like a battle worn soldier just seeking some respite in the Lord. Having to forgive those who have stabbed me in my back and live in my own home is one of the most difficult things to do. I am unsure if the Lord requires me to love those who are purposefully doing not only me harm but my family harm as this is the situation I find myself in. A very difficult dilemma. I have found myself completely battle worn and seeking God’s love to pull me through. All I want is to be with the Lord. He knows it. It’s as if I cannot spend good enough quiet time with Him without being interrupted or feeling a dark presence in the house when I try to. I know that when I emerge from this place I will have many things to share because that is all I wish to do. Share God’s love and embrace it for all that He and I desire. I want back all the enemy has stolen from me and trust me He’s stolen the Lord. All I can say is I want to feel like I am in a safe and comfortable environment when I am seeking the Lord. I’m not perfect, I’ve been disobedient but the enemy has attacked both my health and my finances. I am literally counting on one thing only. His love, and my faith in it.
    Thank You, you’ve helped me in ways you could never imagine. God Bless You xx

    • Hi,

      Psalm 91:9-10 Because you have made the Lord, who is my refuge, Even the Most High, your dwelling place, No evil shall befall you, Nor shall any plague come near your dwelling;

      Keep seeking to know the heavenly Father’s pure love .. it isn’t like this world; it isn’t what is expressed in religion. It is far beyond that .. and we must seek beyond these things as well. It has no hypocrisy. It requires honor to all. His counsel will move you out of harm and into peace. It isn’t His desire that we suffer so … when we walk in His ways it creates peace … may His counsel be clear to you. May you have the courage to act as He leads. My prayers are with you.

      Rachel

  79. For privacy reasons, can you please remove all my comments from your blog.

    Thank you.

  80. Hello Rachel – refreshing to see a young, educated woman speak so meaningfully and lovingly of the Way, the Truth, and the Life! Just found this today – Will Stir the Deep more soon! 🙂

  81. Rachel,
    i am flabergasted about finding this blog spot.i absolutely adore it.I have been looking for a site like this.However i assume you have so many members i wasn’t sure you answered everyone’s comments.I would be so happy to see if you were able to i figured i would take a shot.I have been walking with Christ for almost i want to say 8 maybe 7 years.I was brought up a catholic,however converted when i married my second husband.I believe it was when my husband and i met with the pastor who married us.My husband already knew the truth,
    however the pastor asked my that typical question (if you were to die tonite)But then i answered with that typical secular answer (yes because i am a good person)Until the pastor set me straight about the blood atonement of Jesus Christ and right there i believed it and i remember being thankful to have been set straight and remembering that i knew it was truth.I believe that had to be the moment of my conversion.But then i didn’t realize or frankly didn’t realize i had become a new creation and born again right then i didn’t or hadn’t reallu learned of regeneration yet.
    but anyway it’s been 8 years now,my husband has since then basically is not walking with Christ as close i believe as i am.he is so very lazy and admits it and won’t bother making himseklf go to church and here where we live i did so i found a church i really love my husband won’t go to it cause we have musical praise and worchip.frankly it’s just an excuse with him.he admits he has so much sin his life he doubts his own salvation.
    If i can would you say some prayers for him.plus my son and his wife need prayer bad to.they were both brought up catholic,and i have many times tried to talk to them about the word,and they want no part of God.
    so also if you have a few minutes to yourself would yo say a prayer for them.
    anyway Rachel i thank you for this site sooooooooooo much.
    i do hope i see a reply from you.

    much love in Christ
    Trish

    • Hi Trish … a living relationship with the Heavenly Father is our greatest treasure … when we hold on to redundant, ritualistic activities it hinders that relationship from expanding and growing and we start to feel that blockage in our lives; like we can’t seem to move forward. Pray about letting go of all pre-defined notions of what your relationship with God looks like that are formed by the church system and seek for God to show you how He desires your relationship to grow in spirit and in truth. Let your life become His living temple and not some preset organization. Many prayers for you and your family on your journey.

      Rachel

  82. Dear Rachel,
    I came across your blog and desire some additional thoughts as to your current stance against organized worship….as the NT chronicles Paul’s work of setting up the different churches….it describes many gifts given unto the church to be manifested by those who were recepients of those gifts….if, in fact, it is the Father’s will for us not to assemble ourselves together why is there so much instruction from our Father in how to properly structure and participate in the local church body?
    Thanks, and God Bless
    Bro. Clinton

    • Hi Clinton,

      We are entering into a new age .. an age in which righteousness reigns, a time of great purity. It’s also the time when we are transitioning into the living temple in which the spirit of God dwells in His fullness.

      Our relationship with God is living and always growing. The new wineskins we are to wear, which are a purified spirit and reality that are completely governed and created by God Himself, are ones that can contain His spirit .. this means they are ever expanding, thus our lives, which God Himself is crafting according to our purpose and personality, are ever changing and expanding. To hold onto static, redundant ways that come from organized religion inhibits that growth. When you read the teachings of Jesus … this is what you learn. Paul spoke of the community of believers not organized religion, these two are very different. One operates by the character of God, the other by religious protocol, traditions, and habits.

      As I have sought over the years, I understand that being in organized religion is a part of some people’s journey in seeking truth. It was in mine. But it presents MANY problems and stumbling blocks to one seeking truth and perfect love. In its pre-defined structures, habits, and ways of how to relate to God are contrary to the living, expanding, breathing spirit of God. It bounds God to preconceived images, thus creating a multitude of false images around Him, thus why all the different religions, nil spiritual growth and a decaying society. You can’t know God, who is an eternal spirit, from the outside. It is a knowing from experiencing His spirit personally. The very nature of having pre-defined ways of organized religion puts a soul within those parameters instead of God creating an ever growing reality that fully honors Him in every element allowing a spirit to mature and grow. Organized religion creates non-expandable wine skins or reality that can’t contain His spirit because people are following a pre-defined connection to God instead of allowing God to create what He wills out of their reality, which is to be His. I think it is very important for people to seek God to establish their relationship with Him and not someone else for them or tradition. Traditions are comfortable but can be very binding.

      May we all seek to be the living temple allowing God to create our lives as He wills so all will be in harmony. We have to give up our reality thus all our life expression to Him and let Him fully govern us and not external organizations established by people.

  83. Greetings brethren,, well, I do not think you can explain away The word of God it is infallible,, Ephesians 4 The body of Christ,, Church Gov’t .. Gifts to the church are not passing. ( 5 fold Ministry)! We are not allowing the Holy Spirit to administrate. Jesus did not always preach behind a pulpit,, it was more the exception than the rule.:) direction application,, is way off. Love is the goal of our instruction Paul spoke. Christ crucified ,, Relationship with Christ through prayer, the Word , worship, and service.. Be ambassador’s that we have been called. All are at different places Regarding maturity. We talk talk talk knowledge knowledge knowledge,, love love love we need to do faith working through love ,, love is greater than knowledge, knowledge puffeth up man… Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord. (1 Corinthians 15:58 KJV). Romans 12:9 let not your love ne hypocrisy,, be devoted to one another love,, give preference to one another In honor , contribute to the needs of the saints etc… Relationships love the Lord, Love one another, reach out to the lost,,, meet in homes,, relate love, assemble there is a place for it . witness unless u do not care that people are going to hell. It is not rocker science.. Study to show yourself approved. You will be sanctified in the truth. Christ formed in You. Love and move in the guidance of the Holy Spirit, in truth ( the Word) Our ability is from the Holy Spirit who empowers and guides if we will yield humility ,, prayer the word and love love love . The Lord will call your name when at His coming and will say we’ll done good and faithful one. We must not preach non association. We must be light and examples in this our as in every hour as we await the Lord’s return. In His Love

  84. Well Rachel, you have certainly come a long way in a short amount of time. God is certainly working and giving you revelation. It warms my heart to see the spirit in god’s children. I noticed in your dialogue with certain individuals above a confusion of terminology and what you say vs. what is understood. When our Father dealt with me it was on a very personal level that words hardly can describe. It’s hard to express and teach others unless you stand in His presence. We live and lived so long seeing afar off with the knowledge, understanding many of the mysteries, types symbols but not feeling the connection. This is how it is in our spiritual youth. When, by obedience to the Spirit within we grow, we see and hear by the still small voice that is away from the noise of the institutions and outward religion (Babylon) that we pass through. God does bring us out and through this Babylonian system without but more importantly that which is within.

    I would like to interject something here that may help your readers that we must understand and I’ll try to be clear without a lot of wordiness. The law. the old testament was an outward expression filled with rituals, types, symbols, mysteries and they were in type, not in reality. The old law and testament was a picture, an explanation of the true, our Father, the spirit, and our Lord, our Christ. All sacrifices were outward, the temple was outward, the journeys were outward. The conquering of Canaan (the promised land) was outward. Everything was in an outward expression hidden in types and shadows. At the coming of our Lord at the event of the cross and the rending of the veil in the temple thus signifying a way into the Holy of Holies, everything moved into the true temple not made with hands and that is you and I and every other child of God on this planet. The beast that were sacrificed on the outward alters now become the alter with our very being where we “acknowledge our sin” by laying it on our inward alter before God and letting His consuming fire burn the beast within until it is no longer. This is the inward journey depicted by the outward journey in the old testament. The new testament is not that book we read, but we become the new epistle (book) read of all those who are given spiritual eyes to see and spiritual ears to understand.

    We will gain little by knowledge, understanding the mysteries, or reciting word and verse. It is by becoming the spiritual word ourselves, like our firstborn Brother, our Christ. Religion is what was under the old law, it was external. Many still desire to be under the old method of the law by going to a particular building on a particular day at a particular time listening to a particular person. This is not to be looked at negatively and shunned for babes and young people in the Lord must learn from the tree of knowledge of “good” and evil. What we deem good is not necessarily going to promote growth for the type of good comes from the wrong tree. Our thoughts and ideas of what is good usually leads only to debate and argument which we should not indulge in, in a condescending way. We must be patient, kind and long-suffering with those who are growing up, the same as we. When we see that “all things” are designed by our Heavenly Father through Jesus Christ we see no evil. Evil is but a tool for good. Can we forgive unless we’ve been wronged. Can we overcome unless evil is put before us to love in spite of all the evil in the world? All things work together for those who love God, our Father. There is one throne in the Holiest of Holies (mercy seat) and the dragon, the serpent, the carnal mind must be overcome so that the Christ (anointing) in us must rule. When this overcoming process is complete we will stand in His likeness and we will say only what we hear our Father say and do only those things we see our Father do, the same as the Firstborn.

    For those who want to still be under the law just remember there is nothing outside of ourselves that can hinder. God is with with the Christ (the two cherubim’s in the Holiest of Holies) and we are the true temple and we are those clouds who will rain upon the earth to bring forth that seed of Christ in others (the fields of the world) so to speak. I personally do not have any condeming nature toward any who does not see as I for I was once an infant myself (spiritually as naturally). Remember, God said “let us make man in our image (character( and tho He will until every knee shall bow and “everyone” is returned to the kingdom from which we came. Some with a double portion as the firstborn son’s of the old testament.

    Rachel, I see you see what I’m saying. We must be kind to all irregardless of one’s own stature, calling or order. It is a pleasant experience to share the life of Christ with love and no feeling of variance even though we may not see things all alike. Love trumps knowledge for if we have the Father’s love we have fulfilled all knowledge. If our knowledge does not change our character we in vain wrest the scriptures. We will all return to the Father, let us see this potential in others and love them until the morning star arises in their hearts.

    If Love is our goal which is God then we will not be given to knowledge for knowledge sake nor will we have any desire to be recognized for that which we know. We must leave the tree of knowledge of good and evil and return to only the Tree of Life, our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Rachael this is a word of encouragement, not intended to dispute at all. If God is moulding us in His likeness then we, as He will love all, saint and sinner until we see all complete. What a wonderful revelation.

    In Christ

    Sonny

  85. Rachel, in my comment above it was made after reading only a little of this blog page and a couple of minutes of a video. I thought I would reinforce what you were saying and as I was leaving this area of the web, I listened to one of your messages on the understanding of the scripture and how it is written in layers. You are correct in that all scripture is present tense and not a history lesson or a future lesson in Revelations. All scripture pertains to you in the moment, not tomorrow, not yesterday. The whole book is a spiritual book to those who have grown to understand it in the spirit for it reveals nothing but the love of God through His Firstborn. I encourage you in the way you are teaching and in your patience with those who are coming along. Once one sees the book is us as John was instructed to eat the book, we must also, and we must become the book. We become as christ in His fulness and we should not think it robbery to become like the Father for this is His whole purpose. It’s simply about becoming as He is. It should not be looked at as some impossible feat to become as he is for that was the mistake of 10 of the 12 spies that spied out Canaan. Joshua and Caleb came back and said that they could take the land ( our ites within) for they knew they could not do it themselves but that god would go before and give them the victory. Many read the scriptures in unbelief and say as the weak children of Israel, “Its just to hard, to big for us.” Well yes it is but we must realize we must stand still and let God give us the victories, the subduing of all the 7 nations within that must be driven out little by little until David ( christ the king) conquers the last high place in our hearts where the true temple is being built of the lively stones in which we are.

    You are certainly teaching in the spirit realm and I can add little to what I see you are teaching. All I can say is that the word must become spirit in us and we stand as a Son, whatever gender, as the Firstborn. Not all will see this teaching nor are they required to for as Jesus spoke in parables so that they may “not” understand it is not for all to overcome as in the spiritual 144k, the sons, etc. All will not govern and rule so they will not be processed to do so but all must bow the knee to the Anointed, which is Christ.

    I meant to just write you a short note about my first note and let you know I understand you understand the spirit of the letter more than I first thought. I encourage all to listen to Rachael for she is a kindred spirit for she promotes the love of God in a spiritual way, rightly dividing the letter from the spirit as a two edged sword which rightly divides the spirit and word. If we vary a “little” in knowledge we see the greater good and that is that we all will definitely come to the fullness of Christ, however each in His own order.

    God Bless

    Sonny

  86. In Galatians it talks of factions, parties and divisions among the church. Also the temple was done away with so that Christ could come into our hearts where the church is. The factions, parties and divisions are what those who sought preeminence were guilty of. This division is separating one from another by doctrines, creeds and opinions. Parties are those who separate themselves into groups (denominations) just like political parties and cut off others who are not like them and like stays with like, excluding those of a different view. Factions are splits within opposing one another when a forgiving spirit should be shown instead of a feeling of superiority. It is not the building or the absence of the building, it is of the heart and including all in God’s plan as does the Father. We are all on the path and should one not see what i see, he will in time, therefore we pray for all regardless of where they are in this journey. We cannot open or close the mind of another, although we can share where we are and what God has given us. We leave it at that. Jesus did not run after those who did not or could not see, for it was not there time. Some will never understand the high calling in Christ Jesus. If there were only Kings with no one to guide and rule, only priest with no one to mediate for it would not be according to god’s plan. As in a natural government there are those who rule and those who are ruled. The processing of the 100 fold is different from the 30 and 60 fold. There is no need to try to teach those God does not intend at this time to be taught of the high calling in Christ jesus. Salvation is a given, the placement in salvation is the different rewards that puzzles many. Many times in scripture it is talking about a calling and not salvation itself. Paul talked about the possibility of losing the high calling, not salvation. We were born into this world saved as it is not a question of works of our own but the workmanship of the Father through Christ in us. The purpose is for us to be schooled in our calling during this life long process, it is not to compare and condemn others. We were born into condemnation at birth and from that point on it is God and the Son to bring us out of this condemnation or the curse. The curse placed us in a condition of reconciliation, a place of coming home, regenerated. Nothing can be re-anything unless it existed before. The argument of buildings is a mute point for the beast of division is a spirit of the heart, a feeling of division, faction, and parties. Paul made comment that after his departure many would raise up to take the place of Christ and it was a spirit of antichrist. Anything that takes the place of Christ is the antichrist and it is found in us, in the carnal mind.

    I understand where people like Clayton is coming from and also Rachel. Rachel has left the division, factions, and the party spirit. Clayton sees the people as separate from the system. As Paul we must understand it is the “preeminence” in man that wants to rule over that is the factious one. This pertains to a mans heart regardless of where he happens to be at the moment.

    I see it simply that if you are in Christ all you meet, see, and fellowship with are God’s children and we should not look at one another by partaking of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. In other words we don’t get to decide who is good and who is bad. By eating of the Tree of Life, we see only Christ in others, although we may be observing some as babes, some as young men and some as mature adults, we see only as the Father sees His children.

    The carnal mind regardless of where he is sitting or not sitting at the moment is the enemy. His attitude is as one of the Nicolaitians. We are not to be of anyone, except Christ. Nico in the greek means to rule over, laitian comes from the word laity. The soul, the woman, the preeminence in man should not rule over another for God is our King.

    I will close in saying there are callings and folds in which we are all called into. The overcomers will be given the crown and this crown will be the mature mind of Christ. It will then be the job of these “overcomes” to bring all the earth to completion, all God’s children. In God’s order and time. Let us be patient with all, praying for all will come to the glory (mind and substance) of the Father.

    Religion is outward in ritual (the law), Christ is inward in substance in spirit.

    To truly see we must partake of like mindedness. In obeying we will grow to the full stature.

    Sonny

  87. Sorry for the typo’s. My shift key does not always capitalize. Proof, proof, proof read before hitting that send button.

  88. This is where I am in my journey too! only much older at 70, I’m still healthy and love my God with my whole heart & trust him with my life, my families lives, children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. I long for that deeper continual presence of the Lord and communion with him. I am eager to hear your report after your time of seclusion.

  89. Hi Rachel,

    I follow you YouTube videos and have for some time. I know you deleted many of the old ones. I was a little bummed because it seemed like when I wasn’t sure what exactly was going on in my walk your videos providing the knowledge and wisdom. Would you consider making them available for me if I give you my user name?

    • Hi, what topics specifically did you find helpful ?… perhaps I can speak on them from my current understanding. I removed the old videos as I transitioned into a much deeper place of our Father’s love and truth that altered my perspective, thus how I presented his truth … a perspective that was more honoring as it was more in line with his love.

      • I would love if you would speak on relationships/marriages. For me and many others that I know God is causing a great separation as we journey closer towards HIM and HIS divine love. Lies that we once believed as truth are being exposed. It causes many to question and let go of beliefs we once held and instead trade them for HIS WILL for our lives. There are not many that speak on this, but I have learned this to be a greater truth than holding on to things you believe to be God because of what you have been taught or what we have in our carnal minds interpreted biblically. You’ve spoken on this in the past in older blogs and also videos, I would be grateful if you would share your new perspective if you are led to do so. Thank you.

      • Hi Christy, thanks for your input. Marriages and relationships make up the fabric of our lives .. an all important area to explore. We’ll see where it goes.

  90. Hi Rachel,

    I have been watching some of your videos which have some important truths. I have called myself a Christian for many years although I’ve never been completely surrender to the Lord. I’ve wanted to be, but certain sins in my life seem to always come back up from time to time. I have prayed and sought Grace and help to overcome these sins but I still haven’t got complete victory. Many years ago I became a Christian and I believe I was born again. I say I believe I was born again because my eyes were open to see the need to die to self and I had that strong desire to follow Jesus. I did start to see changes in my life but sadly I never really broke out of that selfishness that was deep rooted. Some have told me that I deal with condemnation and guilt a lot and that’s what holds me back but I also know a Christian should be transformed into Jesus image. It seems like I have to force myself to be a better person instead of just seeing my heart changed. About two or three years ago I received the revelation of the importance of God’s love and how his love transforms us. I received this revelation and understood it but it still has not really changed me at least not very much. It still seems like things in this world really have an influence on me, more than they should. I can’t even purchase anything without feeling guilty or feeling like I’m just still a part of this world. I keep battling with that feeling that I have gone too far because I’ve known of Jesus , I’ve known the truth for so long yet have continued to battle with sins and have not given things up. I know that life in Christ should not be this way, it should not be so difficult. My fear is that I’m getting older, but I am not bearing fruit at least not that I can clearly see. I became a Christian when I was 17. By the time you’re in your 30s and 40s, you should be starting to really bear fruit and see that transformed life. I know that we should be patient and that it can be a long process but at the same time I also don’t see the blessings of God in my life. I’m not talking about material blessings but spiritual blessings. I see things like my family getting sick despite prayer, the fact that I don’t seem to be able to lead people to the Lord, things like that. Sometimes I think my mind is my own worst enemy but I can’t seem to get past that even with prayer. I just want to be able to let go of the things of this world including any sin and follow Jesus! The Lord bless you!

    Michael

    • Hi Michael,

      This ended up being quite a long response … but I hope it speaks to you in depths only the spirit can transcend.

      You are a beloved son of our Father. And to see your desire to be of his likeness and no longer a reflection of a “man of the dust” (of our natural birth state) reveals that you are upon your transformative journey into his likeness, a turning point in our journey that many of us long for.

      “Born-again” as is taught, expressed, and understood, in my opinion, is misleading, vague and its true meaning lost in the hubbub of evangelism. It’s communicated as something instant and thus change is assumed to follow quickly and immediately. Like you said, we come to a point that we are aware of our need to be transformed by our Creator .. but that is just the beginning of a long soul journey … at least in my experience.

      Everything we see of our Creator is about growth … and likewise our soul grows into his likeness. Even a child in a womb up to birth is a process of growth and development, which this analogy among others can shed a lot of understanding of our soul’s growth. And we each have our unique journey that is filled with a myriad of experiential lessons in which our souls grow that prepare us to come into his likeness. Thus, we can’t compare our path to another or even to our own expectations, because we don’t actually know what it entails until we get there.

      Our Father is our Creator, it is he who fashions our souls. But because he is love and is fashioning us in love, we must willingly choose in love, not fear, to submit to his loving molding hands. Sometimes, this in itself takes awhile to understand. For we don’t start out understanding his love, as our understanding has been tainted by our experiences in this world. But when we start to become aware and grow in this love by seeking to know him in truth, then we start to see small changes that were before “impossible” happening within ourselves. Holding onto false images, and “fixed” beliefs can get in the way of our progress into love. His love leads us where we haven’t been before in our understanding, so we have to be willing to go where it leads us that then takes us into new depths of understanding.

      Thus because he is the creator and we are not, our part because it is about love, is to desire his workmanship in us. For he won’t force himself upon us because love doesn’t force itself. In an exchange of love, there is only a willingness and “free” choice on both sides or it isn’t love. So though we may say we want him to change us, when he approaches an area, our fears, lusts, guilt, pride, etc actually say no, not there. So he waits, he never leaves, and continues to work in gentle ways that move us closer to him. This is the long-suffering element of his love .. for being love, he longs to be fully united to us, but it takes time for our desires to come in line with his, so he can do his work. But he will finish what he started. You are his son and always will be and he is the perfect Father of love and will create you in his reflection. But because of the nature of love, it is a very different process and path than we initially assume.

      His love is the most desirable possession and thus all his workings in us and in our lives .. and not ones of loss, lack, or anything undesirable. If we believe these are traits about his love, we’ve yet to understand his love. With him we only lose what brought into our lives what we didn’t want. This requires us to move past false images of who our Father is and get to know him as he truly is.

      So we may not let him mold some areas, so he works in others. And as we see the perfection of his ways, we relinquished those areas that we once kept from him because of fear, or for whatever reason, and he continues his work in us.

      All we do is desire. We can’t change ourselves, as you know. Yet, this isn’t insignificant, but rather very significant. For desire is the genesis of creative power … and as our innermost desires sincerely come into line with his, which comes from growing in the awareness of his truth/love, they are a catapult to the fulfillment of our desires by his hand.

      You are not alone in your struggle. The more I see of his love the more I want it to consume me … as I see what my own corruption creates. He has delivered me from so many habits of thought, attributes, etc that caused a lot of pain, yet until the fullness of our oneness with him, aspects of our corruption lingers .. for we are bound to a corrupted consciousness until we are clothed with immortality. I believe this is what you feel too. There are deep things in my soul that I long to be changed by him …and knowing his love and it never fails, I know that hope won’t fail .. and neither will it for you.

      Though his truth and love change our perceptions that can alter much of who we are, until we have his consciousness, which is:
      – to be truly “born again” (because having a new consciousness totally changes us) and no longer growing in the darkness of the womb but one with our Father
      – to be clothed with immortality, incorruption, his likeness
      – to have his very essence of perfection, governing us in every breath

      … we will experience the effects of our corrupted consciousness. Gaining his consciousness is our resurrection. It’s our oneness with him.

      But we continue on … seeking to know our Father as he is. To know him for ourselves. To follow his promptings in our heart that lead us closer to all we desire, for love is a collection of beautiful promises – fulfilled.

      Rachel

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      • Blast from Past!!!!!!
        Hey Rachel. It is both remarkable and strange to find you in this manner. I was googling spiritual warfare artwork and managed to stumble upon your videos. I recognized your face or at least I thought I did. Down the rabbit hole I plunged and here is your blog. It is you! …. And you have been busy writing…. A lot!
        Wowsers.

        See now I am traveling backwards mentally to the “Q”. Fast-forward to Breckenridge and some wonderful powdery snow, a few misfit friends and your charismatic husband-to-be, Mr. Bill. I think he was working at New Horizons at the time or perhaps selling …. well I’ll let that one go. I will always remember the story he told in such an animated manner, of having a snowball fight with Michael Jordan at UNC.

        Well if you haven’t discovered who this is as of yet, I’ll give you a hint. It rhymes with: Schmsam Schmunderwood. How is that for a not so subtle codec?

        Listen, it is great to see you on-fire for God. I read a few of your blog posts and I must say that you have passion.

        I agree with, (forgive my over-simplification) your desire to seek Christ and nurture a growth of love for others. It is what we are commanded to do. We are also commanded to go and make disciples. You are on the right track.

        Every Wednesday at lunch I meet with 4 or 5 other men from my church and we pose thought provoking and “jagged” Biblically based questions. I love the discussions that follow and how they lead us to meditate on God’s Word and His nature. The question today was as follows: In Genesis 6, prior to the flood, it mentions that sin nature and evil permeated mans thoughts and intentions. It goes on to say that God was “sorrowful” that He created mankind. Knowing that God is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent, and that time (relative to our Creator’s perfect understanding) is not limited to our human understanding, why would God create us if He knew later He would be grieved by our sin in such a way… to the point where he destroyed an estimated 5 to 10 Billion people, saving only 8. (Noah and his family).

        Ok, that was today’s question. We try to veer away from speculation and subsequently back up our answers with Scripture.

        Also what does it mean by God was “Sorry or Sorrowful”?

        Enough of that. I thought you might enjoy this.

        Hey email me sometime. I would love to shoot some pics of my wife and family and uhummmm grandkids to you. Yes I said grandkids. I’m a SamPAW!!!! Hahahaaaa.

        Tell Bill I said hello and I hope to hear from you soon. I love that guy. He was always so funny.

      • HI! It is so good to hear from you!! I’ll send you a personal email.

  92. I saw your youtube video that spoke of where we were before we were born ,This is something I’ve wondered about. and I was wondering how you came to your conclusions .
    Then today I saw other videos you made and other religions were mentioned from india or china in the title, and I wondered if this was the source. The bible does not speak directly on this subject I don’t believe, but it does of God knowing Esau and Jacob in the womb, before either had done any good or evil, and this always made me wonder.
    What you say about this does sound plausible, but I guess it makes for even more questions also. Such as why Esau was hated even from the womb.
    The male and female soulmate aspect is also very interesting. Again, the bible makes no mention of this but says if we want to marry, it is to be only in the Lord. Interesting though. I think Ive met mine only in my dreams.

    Are you living in Colorado?

    I used to live in Aspen, and then in Denver.

    Take care, and hope to hear from you.

    • Hi Robert, Since 2001 I’ve been sitting each morning seeking to learn what is the truth from the Spirit of Truth. So even if I hear another, the Spirit of Truth’s voice has the final say; including above my own. He teaches starting where we are at and not our end state for truth builds. I’m not well versed various religions, so I won’t understand what you are referencing in regards to these other religions. It’s been me trusting God to teach me. However, and interestingly, I’ve noticed those with a pure desire to seek after truth or divine love learn very similar things no matter what their background.

      I use the term soulmate, which suggests a singularity of desire in two people that unites them on every level and this isn’t in the Bible directly. But references to the unity of male and female as in Mark 10:9, Genesis 1:27 The Bible references many things, and as we learn from the Spirit of Truth, we learn more about those things in greater detail. This concept has a lot to do with my journey, so I learn a lot about it. But to capture every detail of truth in a book, it would be a very very big book. God is infinite and there are an infinite number of ways his truth can be expressed. I believe we will always be growing in understanding. The Spirit of Truth is given to teach us ALL things. However much we want to learn, and it is always according to our purpose, which is God’s purpose for us. He teaches us so perfectly according to all that we need to know in alignment with our purpose that varies for everyone.

  93. Peace

    I will like to share these short videos, which I use to watch over many times, when I was younger in the faith… before I found thy graceful, individual expression of the Love of the only true God, fruits of the spirit in thee… of the no greater love. I align my thoughts, to seeing this Journey of yours beloved sister of the LORD, as a witnessing as well.

    Feed my sheep: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zhAT-jaljY

    Peace: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP3753Pc8-w

    Good Shepherd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKwabH-k2fg

    “I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.”- John 15:2

    Not a complain, just a thought… I always enjoy editing my comments, when needed.. so I could have no typos =)

  94. I’ll like to share, that for a past time, at time i share scripture on atheist sites, blogs and YouTube videos.

    This is by far my favorite scripture to share on those sites:

    Psalm 14:1-7King James Version (KJV)

    14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

    2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

    3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

    4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord.

    5 There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.

    6 Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the Lord is his refuge.

    7 Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the Lord bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

    They have been times, when I feel this scripture could be seen as a way to try and make some one angry, and I don’t like to do that… but then I remember that an atheist worldview, can’t even justify how their is absolute morality… so I’ve come to peace with my concern.

    • Here are just some of my reflections in general about this area:

      I haven’t spoken in detail with many atheists. So this is a great assumption, but I think people claim this belief system because it’s hard to rectify all the suffering and pain in this world. I think it is how they deal with their own pain. How can you believe in a God of love and yet see the absence of love?

      To be loved is one of our greatest desires. Of course it has been corrupted on a multitude of levels and in a myriad of expressions, but it is a deep hunger in our soul. This is to lead us to seek what we are to learn in this shadow of death where we experience a soul state that is driven by it’s own self-directed consciousness thus absent of divine love. Our father’s love is always with us, but it is outside of us in a sense. But God is using this all for our good, as I mentioned in my recent post. We are souls in formation … not done yet. This journey teaches us many things.

      So from their very limited few of our existence all they can see is the shadow of death. So from a certain view .. they are “right”, we are living in a reality that is absent of our ability as humans to give this kind of love. We are experiencing a reality as if we are in control, but of course God is in control of this temporary soul state that is for our learning purposes. Our natural love can be beautiful, but it is self-generated, thus very limited and very easily corrupted by our limited understanding. But when we take time to seek beyond ourselves, we begin to learn their is a much higher purpose to everything.

      It’s hard to “see” rightly with a self-governed consciousness. Thus we are to have great mercy on all including ourselves, but to help one another in love as we feel prompted. We are asked to always speak from a place of love and not proving ourselves right, or pride, or making them believe as we do today. We each have our own journey. So to help another is to help them from where they are at, versus trying to make the conform to our journey. You seem to have a helping heart. May you be blessed with the wisdom, love, grace, patience, and humility that giving in such a way requires. I know it isn’t always easy. This too is for our instruction in the ways of love.

  95. Peace and Honor

    Good Samaritan sing along song:

    My hands are the LORD’S hands, without me how can
    His work be done. I would reach were He would reach
    Loving kindness in my touch, I’ll be His healing hands
    To everyone My feet are the LORD’S feet, without me
    How can He walk with the poor, I will go where He would
    Go… Blessings others I do, For Him I’ll walk where
    I never walked before Help me LORD, let me give to my
    Neighbor What You would give, if You were here.
    Help me LORD Let me live, so my neighbor will always
    know you are near. My mouth is the LORD’S mouth, with out
    me how can His Voice be heard, I will say what He would say,
    Speaking love and life each day and everyone who is near,
    will hear His Word.

    YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJG8vuuB-OA

  96. Peace and Life

    With respect, I will like to share some of what I experience recently.

    I had went out today, to spread the Gospel message of the three angels. And I must have asked probably 30-40 people if they would like to know this Gospel… and during my hours of doing this. Only one young man was willing to hear… blessed is that young man to have chosen to hear the Truth.
    I has shared with him, also what Babylon the great is and the mark of the beast is. I had also gave to him the book Steps to Christ by Ellen G. White. A messenger of God.

    Respectably, I was reading through a variety of Ellen G. White writings, and I couldn’t help but notice.. that her writings has similarity to the things I have seen you write and heard you shared.

    The quotation on the book Education is one of such, in the profile I had read that you believe education is all manner of our being (paraphrase).. and that is the same thing she says, and she is a messenger of God, given many visions from the LORD Jesus Christ. I will be honored to share some quotes in the near future that shows this.

    Respectably, I share this Bible song:
    Psalm 84 Song “How Lovely is Your Tabernacle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78_gTwwDsRs

    • This recent experience reminds me of this scripture:

      “But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

      38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

      39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”

      It is sad… so many will be lost because of their own lust.

      • Dear Reach-El, I just viewed ur video on Oneness with God and You stated that we can maintain our Individuality in Oneness with God. You have erred in under(S)(T)andin(G). Before we choose to commit flesh suicide as Christ did we all are UNDER satans power but after we Do What Jesus Did and kill the enemy of our soul our own wicked flesh. Then we are IN Gods power. UNDER(S)(T)ANDIN(G) the T in the middle of understanding is the cross and the cross is the TRUTH. The other 12 letters are the 12 disciples. Jesus is the chief cornerstone of the foundation of the Church he is building in heaven on this rock. We all have the mind of Christ and his faith If we will follow him unto death of our enemy. Our evil flesh is the enemy. If we will not commit flesh suicide we will be committing spiritual suicide. I know you believe that our physical body is the temple of God but U R wrong. We have a spiritual body inside our physical body . The spiritual is not made by hands but our flesh body was made by the hands of God to give us a choice between evil flesh and good spirit. Acts 17:24 God does not dwell in temples made by hands. I cor: 15:36 thou fool, that which thou sowest , is not Quickened, except it DIE: corrupt flesh must die via suicide before incorrupt spirit and soul can be born again. Jesus showed us the true way to God through his flesh suucide. If Christ had not obeyed God he would have committed spiritual suicide. It is common sense to Do What Jesus Did. No flesh and blood can inherit heaven. Judas iscarariot is with Christ today because he obeyed Christ. John 13: 26/27.. Jesus said if you do what I command you to do I will call you friend. Jesus called Judas friend when he brought the church folk to crucify him. Mt:26:50. Every human being has a choice between flesh suicide and spiritual suicide. Abstain from all fleshly lusts that war against the soul. For all flesh is as grass and God breathes on grass and it dies per Gods perfect will. God kills(flesh) and makes alive (souls). Dt: 32:39. He killed the son of man and raised up the Son of God.. This is the SPIRIT OF TRUTH..

      • As they had their pasture, they became satisfied, And being satisfied, their heart became proud; Therefore they forgot Me. 7So I will be like a lion to them; Like a leopard I will lie in wait by the wayside. 8I will encounter them like a bear robbed of her cubs, And I will tear open their chests; There I will also devour them like a lioness, As a wild beast would tear them.

  97. Hi Rachel,
    very interesting read and personal experience you have there. Do you think it’s possible for us to be friends and discuss further only in the Words/Truth?

    • “There are no coincidences in life. What person that wandered in and out of your life was there for some purpose, even if they caused you harm. Sometimes, it doesn’t make sense the short periods of time we get with people, or the outcomes from their choices. However, if you turn it over to God he promises that you will see the big picture in the hereafter. Nothing is too small to be a mistake.”
      ― Shannon L. Alder

      Reading this message, I don’t reckon this message as appropriate to my values. The Bible tell us to chose friends wisely. Moreover I sense your comments are glibness. The information you provided are vague and it’s well known that they are people who try to lure others so they can have their way with them. .. one example is “Miranda Barbour, a now 19 year-old female currently awaiting awaiting trial on charges that she and her husband Elytte “celebrated” their 3-week anniversary by murdering a man they lured into a car through an ad placed on Craigslist.”

      Hmm… I hope you seek after GOD with all your heart, for the end is near.

  98. Rachel I just stumbled onto your article today on stirring the deep I believe it was called. Well I am 23 and had chills, warm feelings and Gods goodness lighting my eyes as I read your words. I am in the stage where I feel like everything about me is divinly shifting by Gods hands. I am and am living exactly what you have laid out. I shared the article on facebook and told my non christian friends to read it and Rachel I believe this message of yours is a huge one that churches so miss out on sharing. Its as if some churches keep their congregation asleep in the. So many christians dont even know for themselves what you are talking about and thats unfortunate. Anyways I would love to share so much more with you as I feel we are connected as brother and sister united by our Father. Please email me or let me know your facebook url or look up mine through my name haha I really would love to keep in contact. Bless you and the work God is doing through you. This work of yours is a blessing to those in need of truth.

    • Hi Brandon, Thanks for your comment. We recognize the Spirit of Truth’s (the Holy Spirit, that is of our eternal Father and Creator) teachings in another, when we are personally attuned to his teachings. We recognize his “voice” underneath what their words are trying to explain. In terms of religion, it’s my belief that no one can take the place of the Spirit of Truth in our spiritual journey. In organized religions people can often get dependent on the religion structure, dogma, rituals, or the teachers of that religion versus the Spirit of Truth. And to your point, when they do their deep soulful learning is greatly diminished. The organized religion, thus way of thinking and relating to God, takes the place of the Spirit of Truth, who should be guiding each one of us in all things, thus people get misguided, and/or become stagnate. I think it is so important for each one of us to personally engage the Spirit of Truth, and be careful of putting in replacements. He speaks to us right into our soul. In this comes a clarity of understanding. Others can be used as a part of our instruction, but I believe he is to our foremost teacher. Some have only known the way of religion and have never personally encountered the Spirit in this way. I think it is good to share that there is another way.

      I’m not on Facebook, just here. Much peace to you.

      • Hi Rachel, it will really be great to have you come to our Open Bible Session to have a hear and give us some feedbacks?
        We are having a short one perhaps will be running for 1.5-2 weeks. Do you think you will be interested to join?

      • Hi James, Thanks for the invitation, but I’m already overcommitted. But for curiosity sake, what is your process for these Open Sessions?

      • Morning Rachel. Glad to hear back from you. We are actually open as the name suggests. We have people from different denominations and even different religions.

        We come together to only look at the Bible how God writes it. There is no external resources use and referring only from the Bible itself because we can never understand God’s way the way we want as Is 55:8-9 states.

        The sessions usually run for 1-2 hours and the topic is usually build on top of each other. Current one will only be running for 1-2 weeks. but we normally have longer ones if time allows.

      • Hi James, Sounds interesting. Perhaps at a later time when time provides I’ll be able to join in on one. Thanks for sharing.

      • No worries. Please let me know when you are free and able to join in on one

      • We (the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit of Truth and me) have survived 68 months out of churchanity. I don’t tithe because I give all to God daily as yall do. Church folk teach that we can be born again and saved while living in these corruptible flesh bodies that satan owns by Gods perfect will and love. Please refer to 1st peter 1:23-25. Seeing(understanding) ye have purified your souls (no flesh can be pure) in obeying the TRUTH through the Spirit (not through the flesh) unto unfeigned love of the brethren (who have laid down their flesh lives for Christ), see that ye love one another with a pure h(ear)t fervently: 23: Being born again (from above spiritually ) not of corruptible seed, (while alive in this wicked flesh body) but of incorruptible , by the word of God. (Jesus Christ in me the hope of glory) which liveth and abideth for ever. (no flesh can live forever) 24: for all flesh is as grass , and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth , and the flower thereof falleth away: ( please understand truth. The flower is a blossom a bud that will spring forth at the death of our flesh. It is our spiritual body where our spirit and soul live. The spiritual body is captive in bondage insidebof our corrupt flesh body made by God from dirt/dust. And given to satan to devour. Ge: 3:14. He: 9:27 says it is appointed man once to die and after this comes judgement. Therefore we will not know where we will spend eternity until we choose to Do What Jesus Did and kill the enemy of our soul , our own wicked flesh is the enemy. Jesus had a choice whether to obey God and drink from the cup of death and when he obeyed he committed flesh suicide. If he had not obeyed God he would have committed spiritual suicide. We all have the same choice Christ had. He did not save our soul but he showed us by example how to be born again and how to receive salvation in heaven not here on this present evil world. I am no born again and I am not saved yet. But I am working out my own salvation with fear and trembling. Salvation in latin means save the TRUTH. Jesus christ is the Truth, the way and the spiritual life. D W J D . I still love your spirit and soul but me an God hate ur flesh. You are still reaching for God (Reach-el) not quite there (YET). True love from Arthur Curtis Lockridge sr.
        Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

      • Hmm… I replied to people, Brandon and James… I find them to be morally questionable, I my self won’t desire contact with them, but that is of course solely my values. My values were cross when I read James first comment, as well as the vagueness of his others and Brandon is and agent of the devil (I google him)… hopefully they find rest in Christ. I learnt that evil angels manifest them selves to people who either walk closes to GOD or those who walk furthest from GOD. I learn that from Ernie Knoll… hmmm some thing of my own beliefs. On the questions you asked me, I’ve been thinking about them and how I will convey them… I will be answering them soon 🙂

      • I know, from my experience and what I have learnt… when it comes to manipulative people, lies and manipulation goes hand in hand. I’ve come to the realization that manipulation really is satanic deceptive reasoning and part of their evil way of life. Praise GOD for salvation.

    • I’m going to pray that GOD humbles you or kills you… for your ways are of the devils. Your words are nothing but dead men bones, and fill with flatteries and deceit of a vipers tongue… though I will not go into it. For I know your kind like the dirt that market the ground. Offensive and insulting whoremungers, having nothing but pride and like your father the devil.. masquerade as an angel of light, manipulative fools.

      ‘God is jealous, and the Lord revengeth; the Lord revengeth, and is furious; the Lord will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies. The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the Lord hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
      He rebuketh the sea, and maketh it dry, and drieth up all the rivers: Bashan languisheth, and Carmel, and the flower of Lebanon languisheth.
      The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
      Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.”

      “So I will be like a lion to them; Like a leopard I will lie in wait by the wayside. I will encounter them like a bear robbed of her cubs, And I will tear open their chests; There I will also devour them like a lioness, As a wild beast would tear them.”

      • I dont know what you based your judgement on (dont even know if you google-d the right person) but you (who changed your id or dont even use your real name just to make that comments) are more than welcomed to join our sessions too if you find me questionable. I have nothing to hide. Anyone is welcomed to join.

      • And you can bring a group of friends or cops too if you scared of “being lured into a car through an ad placed on Craigslist and murdered”:)

      • I don’t tolerate such jesting, because its amoral sarcasm. And I’m sure you will agree you don’t know many things. I won’t be responding back because of your mannerism in these messages. It really validates what I said. Take care and I hope you give up on being unscrupulous and seek after GOD Almighty before you it is to late.

        So repent of your sins or burn in hell stranger.

      • Ok, sorry about that. I’m just angered by how you judge people based on your own standards/values.

        But the invitation is sincere

      • Hi Jedi,

        Go back and read what you wrote as if someone else wrote this to you. And tell me what it feels like to your spirit … where is the love, compassion, mercy or grace. You don’t have to agree with others, but to speak with vindictiveness, judgment, and condemnation is altogether something else. It’s doing the very thing that you judge them for. The words you speak reveals not their hearts, but your own. This is true with all we say. You condemn the wickedness in others and yet don’t seem to see your own fallenness?? Thus you judge others harshly and in doing so bring this judgment not onto them, but onto yourself, and it comes when and how you don’t expect. Matthew 7:2 I say this opening only to help you see that you may not fall into this dynamic. That you may instead seek to be gentle to all.

        2 Tim 2:4 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

        Titus 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

        Matthew 15:11 “Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

        If you can “hear” what I’m saying I believe it will only help you on your journey. But truly I don’t appreciate these kind of comments on my blog.

      • I’ve appeared as self righteous? As a young lamb speaking with the mouth of a lion? Hmm… I will show my heart, with this saying: A wife and husband have a daughter… and during thier joyous time a man appears, he befriends the family, even offers to baby sit… And in the insuring days the details of his true motives are made clear. The wife and husband wonder how did they not see the signs of the insuring fate. Even the evil person admits he only got close to the family so he could get close to the young one. I’m sure you know they are many real examples of this and others.

        How can I be gentel to the wolves that desire to devour the sheeps? Gentel to the lion that prowls the encampment of the innocent or look pass the men like bull ants, inconsequential in scope yet thier bite is that of a bullet. Have I look pass your prudence or escaped the rebuke? The Spirit bades me to stay and harkon, for where is the love and the compassion,or grace and mercy? These words ye spoke to me… Are they not like harpons to my soul and ankas on my heart?

        How can I escape such truth… For it was those attribute of GOD that gave me my first love.

        I’ve seen your ways, and I know they are wise and I have heard your heart and see that it is kind… I will cherish this chastisement, even thou it has changed my heart. For I am a man of sensitive morals and I do become indignant… I wish this world was innocent, yet we know they are two kinds of Spirits that work in this dark world, until the brightness of His glory comes. For i was once in tje tents of evil, in the counsel of evil men, whom words were for the distortion of truth and whom motives and ploys were of devil, masquarding as beings of light, yet like the devil thier actions and words showed thier true side.
        I have no more to say… I hope this shows my heart.

      • “Even thou has change my heart” I was referring to my countenance there… not my mind. Because even though I do cherish this chastisement, it hasn’t changed my heart. Though I can see… I could have conveyed more benignly.

        I write this to clarify.

      • Why do you think I can’t hear what you are saying?

      • If I re read what I said, it won’t make sense because it isn’t for me. If you searched Brandon name on Google… You would see why I wrote the way i did to him…

  99. Hi Rachel, I have something amazing to share with you that I think will bring you joy as it did me, but it is personal and one of my “pearls” that I don’t want to share with everyone 🙂 Is there a way that I can get in touch directly with you, perhaps by email? Thank you for your bravery in speaking the truth about God in this world of deception. You are a true answer to my prayer today. Love in Christ, Carmen

  100. HI Rachel,I sent you a prayer and my love in Christ Jesus.hope all is well!

  101. Rachel,
    I was listening to your blog on forgiveness and I am still really struggling with it. My now ex-wife did something so bad and because of that I haven’t been able to see my five-year-old daughter in 19 months. I go through through ups and downs but could really use some help. Thank you

    • Hi Billy,

      I hope this helps … What I’ve been learning is that everything that comes into our lives is reflecting something that is going on deep inside us and the situation comes into our lives to teach us. If we are humble to learn and not blame then we do learn and grow and the situation begins to change.

      I find my interactions and relationships reflect my deep beliefs; especially in a marriage dynamic (a marriage is a refined and detailed mirror to our soul). We are energy and the energy we put out is the energy that comes back to us. Our reality will reflect the truth of what we feel or believe – thus my greatest suggestion I can offer is to learn of divine love and desire to give that from the depths of your soul regardless of what another gives – for what you give to another you also give to yourself. And as all is energy, everything is in a constant state of change depending on our state of consciousness. So once we begin to shift to desire to be an outlet of a divine love and bring our thoughts into alignment to this love, then our situations begin to shift slowly. Nothing is instant … as our beliefs can be deeply ingrained, but as we begin to desire to abide in a space of sincere love toward all then everything begins to methodically shift. My loving thoughts and prayers are with you on this journey. Be patient and be as you desire others to be from the thoughts outward.

      • Also what helps the outpouring of this love to others, especially when it may feel difficult, is to realize that all is of God’s creation as we love all of creation we love him. For others, this means to love the truth of who they are as a divine being created by God by seeing past the lies they are living in the realm of their false-self. To see that God is a part of all is to see in truth and in this truth of understanding a higher love is able to move through us.

  102. Rachel, good day to you. With many crashed computers and the passing of life as we know it… I found you again. I used to follow you when you were doing videos and ALWAYS found them dramatically insightful. I see that the blog is no different… you are growing and changing and sharing the love of God with others (FANTASTIC). I seen that a book was mentioned in the blogs. Do you have a date on publishing? At any rate may you continue to love God and love others! Rick Kerr

    • Hi Rick, Nice to hear from you. Back in 2006 I started writing what I thought to be a book, but it ended up being the Spirit’s training ground for me to teach me how to express spiritual concepts through writing and speaking (as they are both closely related). Believe it or not, but I wasn’t inclined to express myself through words – so writing was something that needed to be developed. Through the process my purpose grew and changed and I discovered that a more dynamic outlet as this blog and my videos were a better fit for my content and my purpose. Much of the content that was originally my book I put up on Blog Talk Radio.

      http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stirringthedeep

      So anyway, here I am. 🙂 Glad you found me again.

  103. It seems I went through something very similar. I stopped going to church last year. And although I don’t agree with a lot of things that go on, and have had encounter after encounter with the Lord, I still have to honor scripture. All of it. I know you don’t know me and I don’t know you but I’ve watch your YT and found this site. God bless you.

    • Hi, I’m grateful you found me … and may the Spirit encourage you and confirm through by journey what you are experiencing in your own. Organized religion is a starting place for many of us, but as we grow in the spirit, the Spirit of Truth working within us leads us out of its limiting boundaries that we may continue to grow. May the Spirit within become a rich fountain of life filling you with the true living waters.

  104. I agree with you but I am not comfortable with your use of Supreme Spirit. Why not call Him the Holy Spirit if it is Him you are referring to?

    • Hi Elvis, Thanks for your comments. Throughout my journey, which this blog documents and shares, my relationship and understanding of our Creator and God has grown and deepen. Throughout my writings you’ll see I use different words to describe who he is to me like the Supreme Spirit which denotes to me that He is the Spirit above all and in truth the only one true Spirit. He is sovereign and always will be. He is the Holy Spirit that resides with us; that calls me to be holy as he is holy – thus one with him. Through my deepening relationship with him he has become the most incredible Father to me on various levels … He is everything and contains all things. To me he possess the name above all names, which is above our knowing as there is no limit to our connection or knowing of him. Call him what you are comfort with … it reflects where you are on your journey. As as you continue to grow in truth and love – your understanding will deepen which will deepen your current understanding of him as the Holy Spirit and new descriptions that are reflective of your relationship will emerge. You’ll also come to understand why others call him as they do. Truth unites us to God and one another. Lack of awareness separates us.

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