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The Compass of Unconditional Love

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The Compass of Unconditional Love

 

In the land of the unreal, the real is a dream.

In the land of the real, the unreal is a dream. 

Wake me from my dream that I may live my dream

To be Unconditional Love.

 

 

The Choice

The Choice exists for our soul, because love is a choice. The Choice is between life or death; to live upon the rock or the shifting sands, to possess the divine consciousness or the self-directed consciousness, and to give and receive unconditional divine love or conditioned human love. These are all the same choice.

Divine love consists of many beautiful characteristics that give it its expression. Some I listed in my post Light Catchers: It’s always 1. longsuffering 2. kind and gentle 3. humble and confident 4. courageous and without fear 5. honoring of all 6. constant, consuming, and all-encompassing 7. healing and forgiving 8. giving and nurturing 9. merciful 10. trustworthy, honest, and faithful 11. abundant 12. of divine judgment. It loves perfectly at all times to all entities of creation. It excludes no one or nothing. This love moves through us from its Source. It isn’t self-generated. It is the Light; the power of our Source and Center, our Creator.

Therefore, to grow in the awareness of the characteristics of divine love is to begin to know our Creator. Otherwise, we hold a false image and reside in a darkened mind. Thus, to choose this love is to choose to connect to Him; for he is found in this love. Thus, this love with each of its attributes is our compass down the path of enlightenment and into oneness with the Light.

Unconditional Love

Lately, one particular characteristic of this love has been highlighted in my journey; its unconditional nature. It’s given and received without condition; a trait unknown in the shifting sands of conditioned human love. It’s unwavering, constant, consistent, and unfailing. It’s always present in harmony, purity, and perfection. It’s a rock. Thus, its unconditional nature serves as an important part of our life compass.

Though, unconditional love is given and received without condition, because it’s love the recipient must receive it and the giver must choose to give it. In this choice to give and receive is where all the conditions reside in conditional love. We judge ourselves worthy or not to receive it, and we judge others worthy or not to give it to; both for a myriad of reasons. When we possess faith in unconditional love we skip this judgment and reside as an open fount while maintaining honor, integrity, and purity of intent.

This pivot point of choice is where our voyaging becomes much more difficult. Once we choose unconditional love, a multitude of conditions from our soul surface to teach us what this choice means. Along this leg of our journey, our choice is refined into one of integrity and sincerity.

Choosing unconditional love elucidates the areas of our soul’s difficulties extending back to our childhood. Our pains, betrayals, hurts, wounds, fear, and all their protective gear; our judgments, self-righteousness, pride, ego, isolation, anger, selfishness, are unearthed and exposed. Our protective gear forms a multi-layered barrier around our soul center; the outlet of love. This heart-wall stands like Jericho and prohibits us from a sincere choice to give unconditional love because we chose our protective gear instead.

Yet, as we continue to grow in awareness, we gain new perspectives that reframe these painful areas. For example, we no longer see past decisions that led to pain or harm to others and ourselves in disdain, but we realize it was part of our shadow self presenting opportunities to grow by. In the lucidity of truth that comes to us in layer upon layer, we find a release for our walled-in difficulties, and assimilate the wisdom they provided to our eternal spirit mind. As these hurts are loosed, the protective gear falls away, and our soul opens to receive and give love in faith. Our self-imposed conditions are consumed by the awareness that this divine love is needed to heal and restore our soul and all those we’ve impacted along the way, thus we come to desire it above all else.

Inner to Outer Love

Through this exposition of our souls, we come to realize we give what we have; whether in faith or substance. A divine love isn’t self-consumed or self-generated. It flows from the Source through us to others. It is received into our soul, and then it is given from our soul. Thus, if we don’t desire or understand the need for an internal love, honor, and respect for our own soul then we can’t progress in giving it to others, for it flows through us and to others. The internal love we possess is the love we express.

Thus, the degree of love we have toward ourselves is the degree of love we have toward others. If we claim to have a love for others and not ourselves, we have not love, but attachment. If we claim to have a love for ourselves and not for others, we have not love, but disillusioned ego.

This inner love is one of the hardest lessons we face. Our shadow self challenges us with personal weaknesses to teach us how to receive a love without condition for ourselves. This is part of its purpose. But we get hung up on the conditions instead of realizing they are present to teach us about unconditional love.

To love without condition is understood when there are conditions to overcome. The more conditions, the more expansive our understanding of this love becomes. Thus, in the midst of imperfections, weaknesses, and afflictions, and all sorts of conditions, we are able to learn of this divine love’s magnificence, depth and vastness. How it covers, heals, and restores. We are given ample opportunities to learn of this divine love, thus the nature of our Creator that we may sincerely choose oneness with him, as a part of his divine consciousness.

Faith Then Substance

Again, the ability to give unconditional divine love in substance is gained through a oneness with the divine consciousness, when we no longer reside in the reflection of our shadow self, but as our true divine self. Because faith precedes substance, the Spirit of Truth crafts a living faith in divine love, which the substance fills our soul at our awakening. Experiencing our shadow self creates the faith that leads to the manifestation of our true divine self.

Importance of Faith

The growing awareness of this love driven by our CHOICE create neuro-pathways of the ways of God within our eternal spirit mind of our true self. This is the formation of our faith. These prepare us for the inflow of the energy of the divine consciousness. If our understandings and desires are in contradiction to this consciousness, there is no synergistic fit, for love is a choice. It’s like two magnets repelling one another instead of pulling toward each other. A sincere longing for this divine love with all its attributes creates an inlet and outlet for the divine consciousness to flow through our soul to others.

As the awareness of unconditional love grows in our own soul, then we are able to extend it to others in faith, which again precedes the substance. If we are unwilling to give this unconditional love, then the door to our soul remains closed. However, even in this state, if we continue to seek truth and divine love; our unwillingness will change to willingness as we learn divine love with all its characteristics is the answer and fulfillment to all we seek. Unconditional divine love is eternal life, immortality, power, harmony, freedom, peace, joy and rest for our souls and streams of living water for others through us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Author: Rachel

My passion is cultivating a deep relationship with God and helping others to do the same. I LOVE sharing with others insights that God has taught me and hearing what God has taught them... thus my blog, Stirring the Deep. My focus is on a relationship, not a religion. Life is in the relationship. I believe in a balance and unity of body, mind and spirit. I feel it's important to nurture all three for they all affect each other. I try to live in the present, where the Holy Spirit is. And I try to do all with the motive of love. I've come to believe life is a journey and not a destination. It isn't about perfection, is it about growth.

65 thoughts on “The Compass of Unconditional Love

  1. God has no bounds, therefore Love knows no bounds, we join God in this oneness when we come to know and be His likeness. Isn’t this really what it’s all about?

    • I believe it is. To know God is eternal life; for divine love creates eternal life.

      • Could I please know, your eschatology of these Bible prophecies… 666, mark of the Beast, the woman that rides the Beast, the 144 000, and the two witnesses?

        I’m eager to attentively read, your thoughts on this, if it is your choice to share them. =)

  2. I do not believe that love is a choice. I believe it is given. God who resides in us, is Love. However, we can choose to receive love and to give love to our creator, ourselves and others. Thank you for another great post!

  3. God is love and since all are to be consummated in this same love and likeness in our time, in our order and calling it is a matter of learning obedience to the Father’s will in order that He may increase us in His nature…or in His love. Light is given to us in degrees as we walk in the preceding light we are given and as we remain steadfast without wavering. Love….is given…..and increased as we choose to obey the commandment of love we have. So it can be said love is given as we choose His will, His way, His likeness, His character.
    Every knee will bow to the obedience and will of God…some with a few stripes to tuen us, and some more willingly. Love chooses love easily.

    • Go from the presence of a foolish man,…. A wicked one; avoid him, shun his company, depart from him, have no fellowship with him, it, being dangerous, infectious, and hurtful;

      when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge; when it is observed that his lips pour out foolishness, what is corrupt and unsavoury, unchaste and filthy; what does not minister grace to the hearers, nor is for the use of edifying, nor any ways improving in useful knowledge, but all the reverse: the Targum is,

      “for there is no knowledge in his lips,”

      You need Jesus, you better repent and forsake your wicked ways or you will burn in hell you filthy and foolish sinner.

      • We discover a wicked man if there is no savour of piety in his discourse

      • And…this is addressed to who…Rachel…or….? The language comes from where, the spirit of Christ? This is a confusing statement as it shows little if any respect for another of opposing revelation. Our degree of maturity is shown by the fruit we express through our words. When one judges another as does this statement one must ask where it comes from. I believe a person’s attitude toward another, whether another is right or wrong reveals the fallen nature of the accuser thus revealing one’s true nature and weaknesses. Christ only addressed the Pharisees in such harshness because they took the place of God and taught men so. He “never” spoke to his disciples, nor those who were weak in knowledge…”trying” to do better. We must learn the difference in saint, sinner and the apostate. Simply being in disagreement about subject matter should not give us permission to accost another…..and to use such harsh language would be reserved for a fully matured saint ( if then) toward only one of a Pharisaical mind which would wish death to another which is in Christ Jesus. This goes along with the verses which says a woman should not speak in the church, (spiritually meaning our undeveloped soul) so our immaturity should not speak in the presence of the true church, only our “matured” soul or spirit when they speak as one should be allowed to speak. The spirit within represents the matured man just as the soul represents either the immatured or matured woman. In other words our lack of knowledge, lack of respect and “opinions” should be kept to ourselves until Christ is fully formed in our spirit and soul so that the woman (soul) when she does speak speaks under the authority of her husband…the spirit. Let us have dialogue in the spirit of Christ and when we differ let us ask the question from where our heart truly speaks.
        With all due respect “in” Christ.

      • Brooding with venomous tongue, speaking as a serpent wanting to strike… For your heart as seen before is filled with death. Your own venom will give you death… And your ways eternal darkness, unless you seek God with all your heart and forske your wicked ways. For you are on a road by your actions leading straight to death.

      • I was a little baffled by the attitude and tone of this comment. I really could not really tell who it was addressed to but regardless it was of such an evil manner it needed addressing. It does not register as coming from someone who loves their fellow man and contributes to their growth…it comes across as a mean spirited, evil, self righteous person who has knowledge “about” the scriptures and judges others according to their knowledge but leaves out all the attributes of the tree of life which is Christlikeness.

        We should not be mad and hostile toward others because they do not have all understanding, we should be patient, kind, long suffering, easy to forgive, and most of all love those who may differ. This is the true test of where one picks his fruit and eats. The tree of knowledge of good and evil is where people eat of the scriptures and condemn and judge thinking knowledge is gain, whereas the tree of life which is Christlikness is where people eat from which overlook the sins of another and cover them, being patient with them until Christ is developed in them to the point of having compassion instead of raging accusations. I can assure you I speak from substance for I am not one who beats the air not knowing where my substance originates from. No, I am not fully matured to where I would like to be but it does not take a lot of maturity to be able to recognize the spirit of a man and where his words originate from.

        I have learned over the years that usually what a person accuses another of, they are deeply seated in these same vices. To be angry and sin not, as says the scriptures simply means although we may become appalled at the speech of another, we cannot attack that person that is steeped in sin ignorantly and rail against them. We must consider the method and purpose of our speech when we reply…and determine if we give what we have in love or in condemnation in a self righteous spirit.

        Our words usually betray our intent of whether they are meant to flatter or to encourage, to gather together in the flesh or in the spirit. For example early on when you thought both Rachel and Sonny were female you couldn’t be more kind and when I respectfully corrected you, you turned immediately to the female for dialogue. It was not my words you turned from but my gender. I was no longer “flattered”, only Rachel. I point this out with absolutely no ill will nor condemnation, I am simply addressing your questions according to their presentation.

        It is said if you reprove a righteous man when he errs he will remain steadfast in his love and friendship but point out the rantings of a fool and he will hate you for having done so. I have been in the way of the Lord where His spirit resides in me and guides me into all truth. I have lived through much of my trials and test and have conquered many of the “ites” within…so I do not come from a place of falsely accusing nor not knowing whereof I speak and why I do so. These comments are not meant to demean but to correct a false narrative which you have. What I am sharing with you if taken in the way it is intended will turn you to Christ which you think you have by “knowledge” but when you learn to practice having eaten from the tree of life you will “see” another Christ.

        As Paul stated in his dialogue once he could boast in the flesh but refrained because it only led to ruin but those things he did boast in having received Christ, he shared these things and although they came across as boasting in the flesh, they were only intended to point out that all that others thought important as to knowledge he counted as not worthy of mention. However he only did I so to point out the importance of declaring his standing in Christ only for the purpose of explaining the difference in truly having the substance in Christ rather than boasting about it when one has only knowledge without the gift of the substantive spirit.

        I truly wish you well.

    • “Brooding with venomous tongue, speaking as a serpent wanting to strike… For your heart as seen before is filled with death. Your own venom will give you death… And your ways eternal darkness, unless you seek God with all your heart and forske your wicked ways. For you are on a road by your actions leading straight to death.”

      “I was a little baffled by the attitude and tone of this comment. I really could not really tell who it was addressed to but regardless it was of such an evil manner it needed addressing. It does not register as coming from someone who loves their fellow man and contributes to their growth…it comes across as a mean spirited, evil, self righteous person who has knowledge “about” the scriptures and judges others according to their knowledge but leaves out all the attributes of the tree of life which is Christlikeness.”

      ⚡🔥⚡- The first quote is for anonymous and the second is your responds. Rather you agree with the tone or not, matters not at all. All that matters is that GOD be glorified.

      I know my heart and GOD knows more of it… I will say this, your allegations of my wrong doing, is in it self wrong. And your attempt to shame me and guilt me into thinking my zeal against sin to not be coming from a desire of Truth, is wrong. For many false witness have lead people astray… For is it wrong to say, you judging me for judging another, is judgement it self?

      For Christians are called to judge, I believe it is the most judgemental religion in the world. And that is a good thing, as the Christ said I judge not according to the flesh… But when I judge My judgement is true.

      The words spoken by the devil in flesh anonymous… Is venemous and it will lead them to death. For every idol word men will be accountable for in the day of judgment, for my thy words you are justified and by thy words you are condemned.

      I warn against the death they will face if they turn not away from wickedness.

      As for your analogy of the scripture and judging being like the tree of good and evil… I know this. That the tree was always evil. For the first humans knew of good inherently when created, but the later learn of evil when they disobeyed. The Bible is good and only good. Evil is the transgression of the law… And the tree of good and evil isn’t the Bible. That analogy is an analolgy that I feel isn’t accurate. And no believe it is meant only for your own course, rather than it being base on Truth.

    • Some quotes where Jesus and men of God spoke as I did.

      Matthew 23:33-36New King James Version (NKJV)

      33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

      “You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may become clean also. 27″Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28″So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness”

      Acts 23:3
      Then Paul said to him, “God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! You sit there to judge me according to the law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck

    • “We are all guilty of mislabeling, misinterpreting, and being misguided as we grow through this journey. It is not for any of us to ridicule, condemn nor make light of another that sees and has a different perspective of things. ”

      This is your own quote from inner chambers. Yet you try to accuse me of self Righteousness and condemn me for being evil. When I spoke against evil in a stern and zealous manner… For as you know anonymous has spoken many evils. It is written get angry but don’t sin, it is written GOD is angry with the wicked everyday, it is written To hate pride and arrogance and all manner of evil, it is written Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.

      I know self Righteousness is saying, one is righteous by them self and not righteous through faith in Christ. And they can say this thrigun thier actions. Have I made laws that are not from GOD or puff up my self and did that which the Prophets nor even Jesus Christ didn’t do?

      For though I spoke in metaphors, they are accurate of the words of sin and where it leads.

      In truth considering your own quote… Were you not the hypocrite of your own standard?

      • Do you think another should just sit by and allow you to go on and on and not respond to your less than admirable demeanor. You introduce yourself into what another shares without any civility or respect and you keep on keeping on with the same know it all attitude and when someone meets you and challenges your derogatory manners…you get offended? Let me tell you in word easy to understand…you need the love of Christ in your life. You have a knowledge of Ellen White but none of your own. You belong to the whore which sits among many waters (peoples) which is a religious system of man. It is not of God. You have a form of Godliness but do not know the power of God nor do you understand His plan for all people. The religious harlot which you love so much has your mind bent on sending others to hell while you take your angry self to heaven. God help you and the whore you serve.

        There is a time for everything:Eccl. 3 and where I at one time would just ignore one such as your self that sought out others to criticize, I grew in the Lord to where when I meet one who is determined to hate as you do, I haven’t a problem at all addressing this situation. I feel no anger, ridicule for such a one. Although my words are weighty, I feel compassion for the ignorant and unlearned, I pray earnestly doe them as I have you. When one refuses to listen or to at least be respectful, it is time to “as you say” address them with actual facts about their self righteous conduct. Christ only addressed those with stern words who sought to take the place of God.

        I’m sorry you cannot grasp the principle that love trumps knowledge but you will in time, this I know for I believe that “Every knee will bow to the will of God” and learn from the spirit. This love cannot come into one until they have “come out of her my people and be not partakers of her sins. I believe you think you are right in your stance to judge and criticize as you do but you are steeped in sin, in the harlot system. As I watch you parade yourself as intelligent and others stupid, you have not began to understand the spirit.

        Again, now can I give you fair warning and not sin? I can and do. To be angry and sin not is a warning, I can honestly say I have not reached the threshold of being angry with you but as there is a time for everything, you have far stepped over the boundary you say you have of your righteousness, self as it is.

        If this registers as offensive it is because you should be offended for someone else having to point out your bad nature. A disciple of Christ first looks within and first cleans the inside of their cup and the outward follows suit and is cleansed by default. What a person is on the inside will manifest itself outwardly.

        Rachel sees as I do but she does not meet one such as yourself with such a sternness as I do. She is a gentle soul and although I admire and appreciate her way, I have learned when it gets to a point of addressing one who has been warned several times…it is time to shake the dust from our feet and move on. The least we can do is not leave one believing they are righteous in their own way…and as the scripture teaches evil will correct itself. This means a person will eventually see the error of his way and turn from it.

        As you accuse, I am not a self righteous person, my righteousness rest with my Father which is in heaven and I am fully aware of what I say, how and why. It may come across as arrogant in another’s mind but I know arrogance and I know confidence and where each has it’s origin. Are none supposed to stand up to the evil you call good and the good you call evil?

        I have one Lord and one master, I worship with my head uncovered while you have the covering of the harlot Church system as your guide. You have Ellen White and the doctrine of the religion you adhere to. I have no pastor, no denomination, no covering, for my covering is Christ. I know how my my strong words may sound to the unlearned and weak but they are rightly divided and purposed for which they are intended.

        When one dispenses fire as you do, one should also expect to be met with a little “water”.

      • I forgive you Sonny, for the slander and false condemnation you said to me. I forgive you for calling me things which are contrary to my faith in Jesus.

        It doesn’t bother me what you think about bpmy actions, I know I didn’t speak in any way that the Bible didn’t give as an example. I’m not here to fight you, or to relatiate… I is written don’t strive with men, but be gentle.

        King James Bible
        But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man’s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.

        “My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me”

        Judge me all you want Sonny and Rachel, I didn’t do anything Contrary to the Word of God. I forgive you Sonny…for your wicked speaking towards me, shame on you for attack the 4th commandment.

        SHAME ON YOU🔥 SHAME ON YOU🔥 SHAME ON YOU🔥

      • “Self-righteousness (also called sanctimoniousness, sententiousness, and holier-than-thou attitudes[1]) is a feeling or display of (usually smug) moral superiority[2] derived from a sense that one’s beliefs, actions, or affiliations are of greater virtue than those of the average person. Self-righteous individuals are often intolerant of the opinions and behaviors of others.”

        I know I’m no better than another person, and I don’t exibit my self as such… I know that as a follower of God I am not to hang around people who spread false teachings, who exhibit worldliness…. And I don’t respect behavior contrary to the scripture.

        Am I intolerante of your opinions? Or your belifes? Yes because they are false teachings… Besides the points I raised, did I attack everything you said? No because not everything you said is false or commits logical fallacy.

        I think this definition fits your behavior towards my biblical approach in truth. You don’t tolerate the biblical rebuke I did, nor tolerate obeying GOD 4th commandment.

        I didnt stop reading your comments base on one thing, but many false teachings that i saw in your comments, illogical fallacies and demeaning allegations which are unfounded.

        Everything I shared is true. I have come to realize that you just like to try and discredit the truth.

        Sonny I forgive you for your wicked ways towards me, but shame on you for not owning up to your faults and errors in doctrine.

        Shame on you🔥

      • I haven’t even mentioned the subtle forms of shaming, guity tripping and put downs you did….mbut the fact you attack GOD 4th Commandment SHAME ON YOU🔥

      • Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. 18For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting….. I see that as you especial how you shoomzem up to Rachel

        ” hundred seed could be thrown and one take wrote that one is to be celebratioñ” In referring to Rachel “I can read in-between the white of your lines” in referring g to Rachel… These little quotes are disgusting Sonny, its like your mom some emotional affair. GOD was going to to kill a king in the OT for taking Abraham wife…. You speak of giving space, though vague in your meaning… How about you give alot of “space” to Rachel and her husband less you may find your self hanging.

        🔥SHAME ON YOU 🔥 FOR ATTACKING THE 4TH COMMANDMENT 🔥SHAME ON YOU🔥 SHAME ON YOU FOR YOUR RIDICULOUS ALLEGATIONS TOWARDS ME🔥S🔥H🔥A🔥M🔥E🔥 O🔥N🔥 Y🔥O🔥U🔥

      • “Hanging”= Wanting*

      • Have you not reckon that I don’t see your straw man argument?

        I thought perhaps it was because you didn’t like the way I rebuked, that you call me self righteous… Despite thier being logically song biblical àrguments for that.

        Now I get a better picture of your character Sonny… Its the message I have to bear that you despise.

        Ellen G White is the messenger of the LORD she is not Jesus Christ… your temper tantrum about the facts shows its hard for you to own up to your errors.

        You really shouldn’t try to punder the nature of God beyound then Bible… You end up spreading false theology which can make a person stumble. And it will be on your neck if GOD loses His faithful because of your straw man logical fallacies.

      • Prove it with song biblical eschatology…. Jesuit sonny

      • Sonny that kind of language is what people will burn in hell for “by your words you are condemned” You speak against GOD when you derogatory name call Ellen G White… Speaking like a devil Sonny. The more I read your comments the more I see your true character. I like to open air preach too… But many open air preachers don’t have the full truth. Repemt of your sins Sonny, for you speak like the serpent of souls.

  4. I do see, that the conditional love of men, isn’t love at all… Because it’s not from GOD, its from carnalness. I see it as lust thus selfishness… Rather than the majestic and noble command to self sacrifice. Which is love indeed. Who that is wise can disagree with the truthfulness of your words, and not be a fool… I see nobility not of meer blood, rather though of the sanctified words that come from Heaven and flow through thy heart.

    • *the heart

      Could I please know…. if my comments could have come across as, flatteries? I ask because I have a feeling that some may.. and because your insight is valuable to me. I know flattery is a part of the world’s policy, but it is no part of Christ’s policy.

      • Your comments usually come across as either flatteries or ridicule. Both from the carnal mind. It is however a good thing that you recognize your faults and apologized to Rachel. This “sharing” is not a contest of which is right or wrong, it is a sharing so that others may benefit from where another has been. Rachel is so kind as to allow such demeaning comments and to answer one with such grace. Should not the ” fruit” of one’s lips reveal where their heart truly resides? Those who have left following other people follow Christ, although we read what others have believed or said, we do not follow them. PAul made this clear when addressing others which wanted to follow other disciples when he said, ” some say I am of Paul or Appolos etc., correcting them not to follow after any man. This goes for Ellen White, or any other founder of any other church of this world. We can read anything by anyone but we must not sing the praises of another human being else we believe what they believe whether it is right or wrong…. therefore we follow the leading of the spirit within which will teach us all things. To decide whether another is worthy of our time or fellowship is frought with much error in our thinking for this thinking comes not from the tree of life where grace and a forgiving attitude reigns but from the tree of knowledge of good and evil where one decides as did Eve the good or evil of another. As this was her mistake, it is also our mistake, for Eve represents our fallen soul. When our soul is undeveloped it judges according to the lesser of the two trees. We must turn from eating of this tree and only eat of the tree of life where no evil intent is expressed for any. Correction is what God is responsible for, it it not to be dispensed from as the bible describes the fallen soul or the immatured soul. We must learn to be patient with those who differ, they could be right. Best regatds

      • I could say the same for you Sonny… My concern is for ‘some’ of my initial comments… Though I admit some of my comments before were of a like manner of coming across as right and the other wrong because I wasn’t listening. I’m curious for the input of the author and no one else, my comments are usually towards her.

        Thier are differences between flattery, compliments, encouragement, words of affirmation. I know none of my comments were of the intent of flattery because flattery is the way of the world and is always meant to deceive… Though I’m curious for the author’s input.

      • Hi Jedi, Flattery is an intent of the heart … insincere praise for one’s own gain. I’m not sure that you were insincere or doing so for your gain. If you have to question yourself, then possible yes you were. Otherwise why would you even question? But if you did then I forgave you before you did as I do with any ridicule as well. But, as for me I try to accept neither adulation or rejection for it doesn’t matter what another thinks nor should it determine what I say or don’t, but only that I express with a sincere heart and pure motive. And express what I feel honors all.

      • I examine my self… Thank you for your forgiveness, I wasn’t insincere though I feel my initial comments could have been excessive and some unnecessary.

        Hmm… It doesn’t feel right to me when I look at it. Like thier is a boyishness to it.

        Hmm… Thank you for being good to me.

      • Actually wanted to delete the boyish sentence but I misclick send… Looking back, I believe alot of my initial comments were because of anonymous. I saw evil in that person words and I wanted to uplift what I recognize was wisdom from you because of GOD.

      • If you have to question yourself, then possible yes you were. Otherwise why would you even question?

        In saying this, are you sharing that you think that I was?

  5. My last post came in as anonymous as I sent it from a new device which wasn’t plugged in…Sonny

    • The comments I read from you tend to obtain some kind of guilt talk, on a general manner. Example when you typed about misunderstandings, misinterpretations etc… I see those things as concerning your self more and I hope it is you alone that feel guilty for such. Because it seems to me you like to type ‘we’ a lot, which during my expose to this world, tends to be used to such an excess from people who are seductionist. For they think it some how makes it feel like they and thier “target” are together as a team. Which I find that comment to be filed with that implied idea.

      That comment from sacred inner chamber… has expressions you made “euphemisms” which I alone find to be crossing my values in acceptable expressions. I believe what you said to be to the point of, emotional immortality. She is a married Lady and even if she wasn’t… That comment for what I read hasnto much, intentions of bonding to it. Men and women can be friends, but only if thier is an acceptable bondery coming from Agape…. And I think your words in that comment according to my values, begin to cross that bondery.

      • I said what I experienced from you, your words, actions and intent was and is made very clear. We is an inclusive word which involves people in general. I stand alone in my convictions, beliefs, and in the substance I am given from the lord…as “we” all are. As you make it known what you believe and that you would like to be respected for it, you should extend this courtesy to another as well. When respect rules the conversation their is a mutual love which resides and gives space to the other to share their point of view. When another disagrees, one can state so, without being abusive to the others.

        Some must learn this through trial and error. Sometimes out of courtesy to the one who is being offensive another might use the word “we” out of respect instead of saying “you”, thinking the offensive one may take the hint and not be so rude. There are many reasons people use the words they use to convey context. To split hairs, using “psychological” phrases to defend what one doesn’t know is not a good thing to do.

        For those who want to justify everything they say as biblically founded, especially in the King James Version, which is fraught with thousands of error should understand that a lot of their beliefs are founded on a “translation” of a Babylonian church system, the one of King James.
        The following is a quote from another in a study of different translations and which are the “best.”

        “It lets in light on the attitude of the translators of King James’ Bible to know, as stated in the Bible helps of Bagster’s edition, that King James instructed the men who gave us our Authorized Version, “To sanction no innovation that would disturb the orthodoxy or peace of the Church.” It is said that, “The translators were careful in the main to respect the rules laid down by the king.” What a vast difference it would have made in our thinking today had these translators followed consistently and accurately the Hebrew and Greek texts, instead of conforming to the heresies of the mother of harlots! Especially where “eternity” and the “ages” are concerned!

        Thus, the translators were at the disadvantage of never being able to say or write anything that conflicted with the accepted belief of the nominal Church, its leaders or the ruling element of the nation. In support of this I would give you a quotation from page seven of the Emphatic Diaglott as follows, concerning the King James version: according to Dr. Gell, it was wrested and partial, and only adapted to one sect; but he imputes this, not to the translators, but to those who employed them, for even some of the translators complained that they could not follow their own judgment in the matter, but were restrained by reasons of State.” Little wonder, then, that we have eternal damnation taught in the King James Bible!” End quote

        So we who have learned to move past the letter as our foundation and have made Christ our foundation and have learned to listen to the spirit that has been deposited within us know that “truth” comes from within and not a mistranslated version of the original manuscripts. To be very frank with “all” we do not find “truth” in any translation or even in the “original” Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. One is very immature to think the spirit comes from pages of ink of a most aggregious translation of the bible. “We” follow the spirit who follows the “Truth” who is Christ. We must have ears to hear what the “spirit” says to us…and learn to obey and have respect for others.

        When one is accosted one perhaps should respond to their accuser, only for corrective measures of sera rating truth from fiction. I hope I have helped in this manner.

      • Might be good that I repose this for you.

        “Brooding with venomous tongue, speaking as a serpent wanting to strike… For your heart as seen before is filled with death. Your own venom will give you death… And your ways eternal darkness, unless you seek God with all your heart and forske your wicked ways. For you are on a road by your actions leading straight to death.”
        “I was a little baffled by the attitude and tone of this comment. I really could not really tell who it was addressed to but regardless it was of such an evil manner it needed addressing. It does not register as coming from someone who loves their fellow man and contributes to their growth…it comes across as a mean spirited, evil, self righteous person who has knowledge “about” the scriptures and judges others according to their knowledge but leaves out all the attributes of the tree of life which is Christlikeness.”
        ⚡🔥⚡- The first quote is for anonymous and the second is your responds. Rather you agree with the tone or not, matters not at all. All that matters is that GOD be glorified.
        I know my heart and GOD knows more of it… I will say this, your allegations of my wrong doing, is in it self wrong. And your attempt to shame me and guilt me into thinking my zeal against sin to not be coming from a desire of Truth, is wrong. For many false witness have lead people astray… For is it wrong to say, you judging me for judging another, is judgement it self?
        For Christians are called to judge, I believe it is the most judgemental religion in the world. And that is a good thing, as the Christ said I judge not according to the flesh… But when I judge My judgement is true.
        The words spoken by the devil in flesh anonymous… Is venemous and it will lead them to death. For every idol word men will be accountable for in the day of judgment, for my thy words you are justified and by thy words you are condemned.
        I warn against the death they will face if they turn not away from wickedness.
        As for your analogy of the scripture and judging being like the tree of good and evil… I know this. That the tree was always evil. For the first humans knew of good inherently when created, but the later learn of evil when they disobeyed. The Bible is good and only good. Evil is the transgression of the law… And the tree of good and evil isn’t the Bible. That analogy is an analolgy that I feel isn’t accurate. And no believe it is meant only for your own course, rather than it being base on Truth.

      • I use Biblical language to give rebuke. If you don’t like that that s fine.. But I’m not going to respect your belife on that. I don’t respect the things you call me, because everything I did wasn’t for me it was to show the facts In the Bible.

        I find your rethorical comments to be misleading … So I point out the false doctrine in it. You don’t even have to accept it but to go around and call be evil?

        One of your own quotes say, this is a paraphrase of you are speaking to some one like that then you must be the one who is evil…. If I go with that logical, despite it being illogical then you must be the one evil, side you are the one accusing me of it?

        It’s circular reasoning its a fallacy.

      • I know your comment doesn’t get rid of the fact that seductionist use words like “we” “us” Excessively for the perphose I mentioned, so it really doesn’t matter that you share the definition. Am in saying you are using it so excessively for that intented purpose?

        That’s not my place…. But if we look at any normal comment, we can clearly see it is unusual to see the word “we” used so many times…. And you say it is your own beliefs, then if it is your own only… Then you shouldn’t be using we so much.

        Your comments are insulting to me intelligence.

      • Really I know your comments towards we is just an excuse to continue your unscrupulous commentaries.

        And as I mentioned before I cpcant tolerate such unscrupulous and hypercritical comments which come from yourself.

        Rachel is a married Lady, and your comment in inner chamber is saturated with the idea of emotioanl affair.

      • Really I know your comments towards we is just an excuse to continue your unscrupulous commentaries.

        And as I mentioned before I cant tolerate such unscrupulous and hypercritical comments which come from yourself.

        Rachel is a married Lady, and your comment in inner chamber is saturated with the idea of emotional affair.

      • “We should not be mad and hostile toward others because they do not have all understanding”

        —💥⚡🔥 According to your own words, you are a hypercirte… You clearly don’t understand that my rebuke is Biblical. And yet you are being hostile towards me calling me self righteous etc… And puffing youself
        “I can assure you I speak from substance for I am not one who beats the air not knowing where my substance originates from”- Sonny comment from compass of unconditional love

        And you think you were not self righteous? Hubris.

      • May you be in Heaven

      • When one makes it so obvious of their disrespect toward another for a varying view one has the “choice” of either remaining quiet (as you question why they do) or answering their rude and offensive remarks. One has to decide which is best. One who does choose to answer must do so with the understanding that they will be further maligned or that “perhaps” they will “get through”. If one sees an opportunity and a sincere heart to want to “know” a better way an attempt is made with no guarantees that anything will be accomplished. But…we do in the furtherance of the truth we have to share…and if one is serious about doing the right thing they will speak the truth as they know it…in the cont of furthering the gospel in the heart of the other…and not taking into account what will be thought of themselves.

        Some will say they give what they have for these reasons but the fruit of their lips belie them. One may have a zeal to help but never the less are not equipped with the whole armor of God. It takes more than good intentions to move forward with the spirit, it takes a vision of the goal and the goal is Christ likeness…for you and me..for “all” as well. We must learn to interpret the scriptures by way of the spirit, not by King James interpretation, nor by any other misleading manuscripts. If your heart is true in seeking God and His likeness, love will guide you into all truth, if one does not have this love and can ” acknowledge” their sin, they can ask God to move beyond the letter and enter into His likeness of His spirit. One will then cease to use the letter to maim and kill the spirit of another with their misplaced accusations. We may instruct another but love must always cover our intent, else it can be misconstrued as demeaning or insulting, although the insult rest with the giver of the false analogy. We all have things to learn, and we can be misinterpreted in what we say and how we say it. Sometimes when one repeats something repeatedly another can and should correct with no intention to do harm to another but make them more whole than they were. We expect the other to do no less, in the spirit of conciliation. Sometimes we, as this writer has done, with a misplaced comma or word has offended, not intentionally to do harm but it was taken that way. So…we all learn, learn to forgive and be forgiven…and move on. Maturity knows intent…so we intend to say only what will benefit and not tear down.

        Peace

      • Shame on you Sonny, for I know my comments came from Truth that I know, shame on you for your I’ll slanderous demeanor, shame on you. ⚡🔥⚡

      • Shame on you for you logical fallacies,

        shame on you for you vague speaking,

        shame on you Sonny for your concerning idom,

        shame on you for your Ill slandering, shame on you, trying to make me stumble with false theology… Shame on you, shame on you.

        I hope you admit your wrong in time. Shame on you

      • Shame on you for your condcending idom “food form though” *

        Shame on you

      • Shame on you if you feel no shame.

        Shame on you

      • Shame on you for trying to manipulate some ones belife Sonny with false interpretations of scripture… And you doing truth with your own standards.

        Shame on you the morning stars are the angels not people… Shame on you Sonny for taking parables abpnd pouting your own ideas in it, shame on you for not honoring GOD 4th commandment, shame on for speaking to a married Lady in an emotional affiar manner… Shame on you for trying to evade and bring doubth to the KJV scripture shame on you Sonny….

        Shame on you Sonny. I forgive you for your trespassed agaisnt me, bit shame on you.

      • SHAME ON YOU SONNY, FOR TRYING TO manipulate SOME ONE BELIFE WITH FALSE THEOLOGY…

        SHAME ON YOU FOR CALLING TRUTH FICTION

        SHAME ON YOU FOR TAKING TRUTH AND mixing IT WITH YOUR OWN IDEAS.

        SHAME ON YOU FOR MISREPERESTING THE BIBLE AND ITS PARABLES…

        SHAME ON YOU, SHAME ON YOU, SHAME ON YOU.

        YOUR GOING TO HAVE TO OBEY THE 4TH COMMANDMENT EITHER WAY, SHAME OM YIU FOR ATTACKING IT. SHAME ON YOU SONNY

      • I can’t stop you from saying what you want… I don’t just disagree with the things I’ve seen you say theologically, I know that isn’t the way it is to be understood.🌈 I know your allegations against my character is simple wrong… I don’t like being demeaned, when my very religion is the very opposite of what you claim me to be. Which goes against by moral bondiers,💧 I accept instruction as the Pslamit says to rebuke a wise man… But I don’t accept inaccurate and simply deameaning allegationsnthat just are untrue. ⚡

        I hope you realize your own fault in judging inaccurately and the bypercriticalness of your own standards which i pointed out. 💥But if thier is one thing I wish you remember is the 4th commandment…. That’s it from me, I won’t be messaging you anymore. 🔥

      • Shame on you for your wrong doings against me*

      • I forgive you Sonny for your lies against me and your false teachings 🔥

      • Goodbye that last comment was out of kindness… I will message you no more.

        🔥SHAME ON YOU SONNY🔥

      • I see your comments as feign indignation… You try to say subtly how I should be, the way you wish people behave. To the point of even subtly putting down, guilty tripping and trying to shame some one for thier own individuality.

        You can’t disprove the words I chose to be wrong according to the Bible. For even GOD spoke in similar manner… I believe you exaggerate the things I write in your own mind. You see a bull when in truth it is a dove. I know your words lead me to temptation… Which is against the word of God to make a follower go through. I know you are wrong in the things you said to me. I forgive you for the lies you said to me and your attempt to manipulate my thinking, I forgive you… But the things I read from you are sin to me. And thus all things you write to me or some one else has become sin to me… In respect to my moral dignity I can’t read any of your post.

      • Jesuit sonny

    • Sonny,

      “I said what I experienced from you, your words, actions and intent was and is made very clear.”

      —🔥⚡🔥I assume this vague quote because Ipyou don’t make it clear in what you are referring too, is in responds to my comment to anonymous on his venemous words.
      I gave you examples from the Bible, in which Jesus Christ, Apostle Paul and others used the same kind of language when rebuking evil people, will Jesus Christ and the other early men fill with the Holy Spirit of God be wrong also? I hope your rethoric which is annoying to listen too, could help you out of that.

      “We is an inclusive word which involves people in general. I stand alone in my convictions, beliefs, and in the substance I am given from the lord…as “we” all are.

      —⚡💥⚡ I see you speak in general, yet you say you speak for yourself… That is a contradiction already, if you speak for your self you would say I… For as you rightly say we is an all inclusive word and not a singular word reflecting your own beliefs, it assumes others are sympathic in what you said… Which I find to be trivial, and a discourse which is unbecoming ofmmy character for I hate, seeing things that are delibeartly meant to invoke guilt because that is a well known manipulation tactic.

      As you make it known what you believe and that you would like to be respected for it, you should extend this courtesy to another as well. When respect rules the conversation their is a mutual love which resides and gives space to the other to share their point of view. When another disagrees, one can state so, without being abusive to the others.”

      —-⚡💥🔥 mutal love yet your words are condescending as always. And wrong in parts… I disagree in what you say, yet I don’t go slandering you and CallinG you abusive, self righteous and evil… I’ve seen abuse, what I did is Biblical. Jesus Christ, the Apostle all did the same. And if you can’t see that, then thats on you.

      There is a difference between respecting a belife and respecting a person…. I can’t respect all belifes because that will be foolish, but i can respect all people. Though your own words shows you own judgemental behavior, you imply that I am uncivil yet all I do is according to the word of God. You should take your own standards and look at your self… Your the one being the hypercrite, not I.

    • Your responds, really just shows that you are aggressive towards me, and for nonreal reasons. I use the Bible to defend my actions, and you go digressing to other things. I can’t appreciate your hypercritical comments and contradictions, and unscrupulous behavior on your part.
      You no nothing of my Walk with God, but you attack me base on your feelings. Rather than the example in the Bible. Hmm… I wonder if it is you who really is the self righteous one.

    • And by the bay I don’t care to be respected for what I believe. This is your own standards not mine… So please don’t try talking for me. Again with your condescending crap.
      I find it so strange, you seem to know about the Bible yet you fight agaisnt it. What i shared wasn’t some conjecture which I know you like to do. It was Bible…. The 4th commandment, the morning stars which are the angels and not humans. Ellen G White who indeed was given the Spirit of Prophecy Revelations 19:10… I don’t force anything on you or Rachel.

      Yet I would ask, that you don’t miscatogorize Bible from conjecture.

    • I won’t finish reading your comments, because of the blatant contradictions and falsehoods just within the first paragraph. Show with the Bible that men of God didn’t speak the way I did… Prove it with scripture. And if you can’t its on you

  6. I think this could be good music, while reading this post.

  7. Reblogged this on Jedi of Christ.

  8. The bible is has been used to justify the killing of millions of people down through the ages of time. All wars are pretty much about the supremacy one nations thinking they have over others and by God’s decree. The Spanish Inquisition was a “Christian” war on other Christians and Judaism. Christians butchering Christians and using the bible to justify it. People can commit the most atrocious of crimes towards others and justify every evil by the bible. Whether it is judging unrighteously, condemning or just disagreeing over what some passage in the scriptures means, people judge according to the understanding or la k thereof they possess. Instead of saying the bible says so, we should go beyond blaming another for our own weaknesses and justifying it by quoting some scripture that can be interpreted in any way we choose, as it is evident, we should let our spirit lead us apart from the law to understand not only the law but life in general as well.

    I understand you wanting to attack everyone that does not see scripture as you do for you use the letter to justify your darkened understanding of the scriptures. I do not like pointing this out to you but when you speak and comment as you do out of the will of God, accusing others of doing what you yourself are doing, what should one do? If they ignore you, you complain about it, if they answer your condescending way…you make them the accuser. Jedi, I know you mean well and have a zeal toward God but you are not using His attributes to further neither your cause or the betterment of those around you. You use your knowledge of what you think the scriptures give you permission to do…but God does not honor your speech and how you speak and talk to,others as though you are the author of their salvation. I am speaking bluntly because you refuse to listen to one’s view different from your own with any courtesy. You attack when not attacked and when I respond and disagree you come unglued and spew the most childish unfounded accusations that you can come up with, emotionally, given no thought to what or how you say. Your goal is to offend because you have been offended, however your being offended is brought on by your own self without any help from another. When one such as I that addresses you according to your desire to be answered and not ignored, tells you they do not appreciate you using inappropriate language in addressing others then is offended?

    Now, I also can say that I can find examples in the scripture where Paul and others confronted their accusers. The question is, what is my intent and purpose for doing so? Is it to throw childish insults back and forth to prove some “self” righteousness of bible knowledge or is it to point out the transgression of one toward others…and after having used the route of ignoring the insults (which you are also not happy with) then decides to answer as plainly as possible. When this is also met with childish hostilities one can either choose to just ignore this one or plainly tell them in no uncertain words what they are in fact doing. One will certainly not find favor with this other (as Paul was rejected by the knowledgable know it alls of his time) but what is one to do, ignore this religious minded one since they do not enjoin reasonable conversation or let them go on their way refuting what you say as well as cursing you when they do.

    Now I can justify everything I have said as you, using the bible but is it justification for our errors we seek or is it for the furtherance of the gospel of Christ. The only way one can tell is if God looks into the “intent” of ones heart and sees what their desire is for having said and for what purpose they have said what they have said.

    On can not go down the road of condemnation and not expect to have to face it in themselves…for if you condemn with the intent to divide good from evil, as did Eve, one is guilty of eating of the tree of good and evil. The bible or the law “is”the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and those who try to find life in it will be sorely disappointed as Christ and His indwelling spirit is the only true guide we have. The bible can tell you “about” things but only God through Christ can give you of His spirit.

    In closing there is much conjecture about the church, true and false. The 7 church addressed in Revelations cover the entire church systems of today, true and false. The Babylonian system of the church is where men rule, the true church is where God rules. They are both addressed in the parable of the seven churches. God’s people are often within the church systems waiting to be released. When God said “come out of her my people and be not partakers of her sins” He was speaking of His children coming out of the Babylonian (religious orders) that has imprisoned them. “Her” is the man made religious orders of varying denominations where people appoint leaders to themselves without seeking out God for themselves. I understand that many are young in the Lord and mean well, however they have enough knowledge and zeal to cause themselves much hurt and pain..and foist it on those around them. This may be blunt and painful for you to digest and it may not have been in the best use for words but they are very fitting for the situation being addressed. If one does not desire to be spoken to as directly as this, one should not ask for it.

    In Christ

    • I’ve said all I needed to say to you Sonny, I find your attacks on me, to cross my bonderies because they are simple untrue and unfounded… Prove with Scripture. That Men of God didn’t speak the way I did.

      I’ll share this, I can reprove an individual who speaks eviliy the way I did and yet still bear the fruits of the spirit, because in my heart I didn’t speak like that because I hate the man but because I hate his sins. And I have pointed out with your own words, how you have been hypercritica… And even puffed up.

      I forgive you for your demeaning words against me… I know you are to proud to think your words are not untrue. Though I assure every allegation you made against my character is untrue.

      Take care Sonny, I do pray for you and Racheal… I won’t be messaging not reading anymore of your comments.

      The 4 the commandment still stands, and that isn’t some belife that is the truth.

    • And just to finish off… In your comments you point in your own words what the scripture says about Agape… But then you apply that to your own standards I’m assuming you are referring to agape, you don’t make it clear. Eg in one of your comments here you say, this is a paraphrase we are to have mutal love to each other,

      “mutual love which resides and gives space to the other to share their point of view. When another disagrees, one can state so, without being abusive to the others.”

      Technically mutal love isn’t even agape, because agape is higher than that, but I assume that is what you mean. This whole quote after love is just what you want, its your standard. You took truth fro the scriptures and then twisted it an added your own ideas to it.

      It surprises me no more to see your slander towards me, I’ve come to realize that you don’t understand my Biblical approach. I didn’t cross bonderies according to the Word of God. If you don’t like what I say, then simple I won’t message you anymore. Other than that you are not my teacher and your standards are not my standards.

      Take care

  9. I do understand your “biblical” approach, however it is from your religious carnal mind and not the mind of Christ. In time you will understand that young people in the lord take what they learn in the law and apply it to their immature nature. They think defending scripture with the mind of a carnal nature is truth. Thy defend but not with the mind of Christ. You clearly state you follow Ellen White and a religious order which is part of the “her”. When you come out you will understand more along the lines of what Rachel as well as myself means, she and I do not believe everything alike but we see a higher purpose above our knowledge.

    • I forgive you for the lies you said towards me about my character and the false teachings you post.🔥
      I don’t tolerate your claims because it is demeaning and false… It I forgive you Sonny for your lies. Shame on you for attacking the 4th commandment by calling it a name, legalism. The 4th commandment is beautiful…. Shame on you. I hope in to e you see your errors. 🌈

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