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Part 3 of 4: Mark of the Beast

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Part 3 of 4: Mark of the Beast

Jeremiah 17:5
Thus says the LORD: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man And makes flesh his strength, Whose heart departs from the LORD.

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Author: Rachel

My passion is cultivating a deep relationship with God and helping others to do the same. I LOVE sharing with others insights that God has taught me and hearing what God has taught them... thus my blog, Stirring the Deep. My focus is on a relationship, not a religion. Life is in the relationship. I believe in a balance and unity of body, mind and spirit. I feel it's important to nurture all three for they all affect each other. I try to live in the present, where the Holy Spirit is. And I try to do all with the motive of love. I've come to believe life is a journey and not a destination. It isn't about perfection, is it about growth.

24 thoughts on “Part 3 of 4: Mark of the Beast

  1. Hi Rachel, EW here, I like this post. However, a couple of points you may want to consider: it is angels that will do the marking & placing the seal of God, to which it will also be the angels that do the reading at appropret time. Second, the work of the hands: the old testement speaks of giving, under the table, a gift to the judge. If a person is not honest in their work, is it not an abomenation to the Lord? —Time is coming and may already be here that if a person does not claim affiliation to denominational-church(so-called christian or just a god above(no god, are also dishonest in the work of their hands) they will not be allowed to buy nor sell. But, the Lord said (both old & new testiment) “those who love the Lord shall eat of the fruit of their doing”!

  2. With all due respect Rachel, you really have entered some deep error here.
    I think you have forgotten the Holy Spirit.
    In referring to belief systems as the Mark of the Beast, you have placed
    your comments totally into the realm of the mind.
    Someone’s thought’s against yours and a belief system.
    I’m not sure who you believe Jesus is, but if you are saved by Christ,
    following the Holy Spirit is not just a mental adjustment.
    People who have disagreed with you, who have the Holy Spirit
    are not being judged legalistically anymore for their actions.
    So the Holy Spirit is the one who will bear witness
    of our righteousness, which is found, in Him, alone, and God’s word.

    To the Believer in Christ, Satan has not set up an image.
    Christ has torn down his image, so that we may attain Christ.
    We are following the image of Christ written in His Word,
    and the Holy Spirit. If you are not hearing the Holy Spirit
    confirm your thoughts in other believers, that’s not a belief system.
    It should indicate you are not in agreement with the Spirit of Christ.
    The Holy Spirit, is Who, gave Jesus the Word.
    They agree in one, and we agree in Him, because He has formed
    us in him.
    There is nothing for you to buy or sell from your brothers and sisters,
    it’s free in Christ, and Hiw Word is free.

    I really hope you are not saying, that the image of Satan,
    is the Word of our Lord.
    The Bible and the words of Christ were written two thousand years ago.
    All these scriptures applied to all the people, living from that time
    until now. Not just for our generation.
    Obviously, the scripture references written by the Apostles about eternal consequences
    were written to the Churches that they themselves were overseeing,
    and to sinner’s in general, to this generation, and before us.
    These epistles, are God’s word, and are written through the Holy Spirit,
    to your spirit. They are not a mind oriented belief system,
    but are from the Spirit of the Lord.
    If your mind is untrue, the Lord is still faithful to His Word.

    • Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

      His righteousness becomes ours .. it’s not in theory but in reality.

      There is a false image of God … 666, false Christ, false Holy Spirit, false Father … this image comes from twisting the scriptures. And those who don’t know the True heavenly Father and have been taught by man and not by God .. fall for this image because they don’t know the truth.

      As for buying and selling .. it’s not money. It is an exchange in which we gain truth.

      Revelation 3:18 “I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.

      And yes it is all about our beliefs … and what we truly believe .. for that governs all we do, who we serve …

      • I don’t think an image of God is the issue.
        I think the issue is a relationship.
        If you have known the Lord, He is able to reveal
        himself through relationship with himself
        and others.
        So, yes, some of this involves man.
        There’s no way around it.
        The Word says, if you cannot love man, whom
        you have seen, how can you love God who you
        haven’t seen.

      • If you think God is one thing .. but He is something else – that image keeps you from knowing Him. If you think He is a golden cafe .. you can try to have a relationship with that cafe, but it will never be God. And as long as you think that is God you won’t seek any different. Understanding who He is has everything to do with a REAL relationship .. otherwise it isn’t real.

      • Well, the challenge then, is for you, to stay in a conversation with someone long enough to find out their heart.
        Not their mind.
        If you are a believer in Jesus, and you know His Word, then, you will
        be able to find a relationship there, between them, and the Lord, and yourself.
        In that case, it would become evident, that you are not talking about Gold, but God.
        But, you have to have a certain element of trust, in the heart of the person, to know if Jesus is living there, in their heart.
        But to accuse someone of not knowing God, because of an image, is not true to who the Lord is.
        He is a Spirit, not an image.
        Your image might differ from mine, but that doesn’t make me untrue.
        It’s how the Bible relaters to your heart.
        Which means relationship, and conversation.
        An image does not converse with you.
        Of which I am sure you, will now, cut me off, because, that doesn’t agree with your image.
        Which is very, disingenuous.
        But a relationship, agrees with Jesus.

  3. Anonymous,..have you just mis quoted,…or were does it say this?

    “The Word says, if you cannot love man, whom
    you have seen, how can you love God who you
    haven’t seen.”

    • 1 John 1:20

      20 If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

  4. Anonymous,
    i wasnt being pernickety,..but it wasnt exact what you said to what is Written,

    a big big difference being man and brother

    1John 4 v 20-21
    20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

    21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also

    Anonymous,

    im sure you noticed but id be at odds at times with Rachel about her terms/teachings/sharings,..call them what you will,..about the Spirit of Messiah,..just wondering your thoughts on the matter,just to hear another posters honest opinion…The Written Word below would somewhat different to what Rachel is saying ..and if you discern it very carefully,..in verse 12-13,..God the Father is being made the Giver of The Spirit (The Holy Spirit,The Witness on Earth),from i guess what we would term,..’saved by Grace through Faith’……and not a ‘spirit of christ’

    my understanding would be

    God The Father
    The Word (His Son)
    The Holy Spirit ….in all its Wonderful attributes and even under the authority of The Son

    1John 3 v24
    24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

    1 john 4 v13

    12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

    13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

    would you see this ‘Spirit’ as the Holy Spirit,..or the Spirit of Christ?

    • Do you know what faith is and grace? This is the spirit of Christ .. He is the Word of which our faith is based upon .. your faith is what you believe and hold true. Grace is the power to walk in accordance to God’s truths and love .. this is the grace that Christ gave us. He enabled us to obey.

      “God dwelling in us” (from 1 John 4:13) … do you not think that is Christ? Christ was the fullness of the Father … He is the righteous spirit we need .. the grace and power to walk in the truth.

      • Rachel its not that i disagree with you,…more a understanding…that needs to be made clear

        i mean is The Spirit of Grace……the ..Spirit of Messiah/or as you call in the greek Spirit of Christ,..or are they a different variation of of The Same Spirit,..and i mean The Holy Spirit,..surely you will understand The Holy Spirit has Seven a make up of Seven dominant Spirits YET One,..and can be poured out to humans in various different amounts,..at different times?…yes or no?

        God The Father….The Blessed One,..Total Control,..

        but has given all or to be precise, most of His Authority,..to His Son, Immanuel/Jesus,…a Divine Living Being,..and as Scripture would clearly have us believe and is my faith,He came down from His Heavenly abode,..while His Father stayed in Heaven,..to bring the Gospel of Faith,..well 2 Gospels to be very precise,..The Gospel of The Kingdom here on earth,with Him as Rightful King,..and The Gospel of Grace,..to everyone that believes that He died,..and was Raised to Life, and took to Heaven to His Fathers Side,and in time will physically return and raise those who have died to life,..Eternal life,..the Resurrection…in His Fathers Kingdom,..under His Kingship,..that is the end hope to our salvation and hope and our faith….and we will be sure because He will still have the holes in His Hands,..as shown to Thomas as Proof,..He had risen from the dead,..as He said He Would

        ALL tied together,…because do not think anyone other than Him has been raised to life….or so we make no mistake,..the dead,firstfruits will be raised first,..so there is no doubt,..and as Written to be revealed in the last times at His Glorious Appearing,..1 peter 1 and titus 2

        The Spirit of Christ /or in The Hebrew Ruach HaMoshiach of course has to be in us,..its part and parcel of The Holy Spirit,..but The Messiah is still in Heaven on His Throne with His Father,..id use the whole Book of Revelation as my witness to what i say,..The Book hasnt been played out yet,..and it places Him, The Christ firmly in Heaven,..as we speak,..but Scripture also has His ‘spirit’ in us,..as we speak,..its how we speak to Him.

        maybe you dont notice but what you have been saying is very similar to what i hear from the Muslim faith,..that The Son, My King,..was just a prophet,or a vessel,and not to be taken literally,..which of course takes away from The Glory His Father, His God, has given to Him,and Him Alone.

        posted a few verses below that testify for themselves to what ive said and posted

        titus 2

        11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

        12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

        13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Immanuel The Messiah

        Hebrews 12:2
        Looking unto Immanuel the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

        Hebrews 11:13
        These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

        1 Peter 1:5
        Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

        1 Peter 1:7
        That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Immanuel The Messiah

        1 Peter 1:9
        Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

      • Brian – what is your salvation?

  5. Luke 10:29
    29 But he, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

    I think it’s clear that Rachel, has taken two sixes on her forehead, already. She is trying to buy and sell with other’s, as she flees to the desert, because she knows she will be beheaded by the beast, if she were to remain faithful. She is trying to buy gold, tried in the fire, which means she is still trusting in the bartering system. When she comes to the Truth, she will no longer be able to buy and sell.
    Amos 5:19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him;

    I think the scriptures you gave on the Spirit, are both. Some refer to Jesus Spirit, and some to the Holy Spirit.
    Sometimes Jesus calls ‘the Holy Spirit’, His Spirit. But I think these scriptures refer to both.
    They are distinct I believe, but they agree in one.

    • If you understood what you are saying and who you are saying it to .. you wouldn’t be saying what you are …

      • Feel free to explain.
        This is how your language sounds to others.
        So, I said it, from my point of view, in context of how you
        speak it to others, in your own conceptual language.
        That would be the interpretive way of saying what I see
        you doing, by using your own language.

        Now you are able to hear what they hear, when it is spoken
        to others, by you.
        I said it humorously.
        I wasn’t putting you down.
        I said it in irony. Playful. Fun.
        I have seen you smile before,
        At least occasionally, when your image allows it.

        Not sure what you meant by who I am saying it To?

  6. Anonymous,
    well thanks for your honest reply,

    Father and Son are very distinct yet very much ONE by the Fathers Holy Spirit,..But The Father Has Placed His Son,in a very very High Position,..and give all authority to Him,and is Written about from one end to Scripture to the other,and very very clear in Rev 5 v 6 , 7 Spirits as ONE,under what is known to us,as The Holy Spirit,of course the spirit of Messiah is a part,though if we discern Scripture
    anyone,..that has the Spirit of Messiah/or in the greek, spirit of Christ,will know certain things,..and if they have it,..they will know what it is!
    ..i can only answer for myself,i have only one mark on my forehead,the one in Rev 14 v 1,..the price of a sold soul…
    that anti christ isnt here as yet,..as Amos 8 v 11 hasnt happened yet,so its still Today,..ill not knock anyone for trying to seek and find Truth,especially any female in these hard times,..but it has to be to serve The Son of God to do His Fathers Will,..not save yourself to glorify yourself.
    anyone that takes that narrow way will always have my support even though it might not sound like it sometimes,but it will be based on every line of Scripture,..no compromising,..and if tribulation comes while we are on that path, although some will be protected,..just as the Saviour and The Apostles will be put through suffering, some until death before the end, and Our Saviours Promised Return,in All His Kingly Glory,..anyone on that narrow path will know this!
    The Apostles went through everything in suffering,..to let the sheep on the endtime fold,..know what would be expected of them,..hardship,prison,…and death,..everyone has got tested in Scripture,..if anyone thinks they are getting a free ticket outta here,your down the wrong path!

    • let me take you down
      2 strawberry fields
      2 16
      6 x 6 x 6 = 216
      nothing Israel,
      and nothing to get
      hung about

      misunderstanding
      all you sea

  7. Rachel,..my salvation ?

    theres quite a few answers i could give because,salvation covers quite alot….Who, What, Where and When

    but i take it you mean Who? is my salvation …my answer is quite simple
    The Son, of God The Father, Whom He Sent down here 2000 years ago, Immanuel The Messiah,who The Father made perfect,..and Who ascended to Heaven to take His Place as High Priest and King,..HE is my Salvation.

    Hebrews 5:9
    And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

    Hebrews 9:28
    So Messiah was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

    1 Peter 1:5
    Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

    1 Peter 1:9
    Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

    whats yours Rachel?

    • ok, the Son, but how? How does He affect your fallen state? (there is a point to this .. hopefully to bring understanding..)

      • Rachel,….yes my point is the same,its always about understanding,exactly what is Written,

        im a sinner if thats what you mean as fallen state,..and He is my only hope of redemption, He’s my Rock,my Teacher, my Dear Friend,my Master,my Redeemer,He’s my Hope,He’s my Salvation,He’s My King,..He’s The Son of My Father,The God i Worship,He Lives,He’s very much Alive and in Heaven,..He can see,can hear, can speak ,can touch,as Scriptures makes plain, since His Resurrection in His Bodily form for Evermore, (not an invisible Spirit)…..He certainly is with/in us combined with the differing attributes of The Awesome Holy Spirit,which includes Spirit of Messiah,…but He The Lord,The Son is still in Heaven,..Scripture places Him there,…especially through Tribulation,Book of Revelation,..Thats The Messiah, John is with,and describes,..and as The things Written that must come to pass to bring the great tribulation must happen,and as yet havent,..so if Rev 5 makes very very clear The Father is in Heaven,..and His Son is there with Him….in His Heavenly body,..the very same one the 500 saw, and the disciples bear witness to,….and Paul bases His Gospel on,because he claims he saw Him a few times….in the same body that was in the fire with Daniel,..clearly seen and named in title at least twice in Daniel giving clear understanding as to WHO it was, The Son of God, not God the Father, the exact same deity that spoke and ate with Abraham just as He clarified when He announced it to His critics when He walked this earth,..and as Written to give clear understanding He Will again,..and a warning given to us to watch for the signs leading up to His Return,..and to know the very last undoubtable sign that will be given before His Imminent Return,..and anyone with a truthful seeking understanding will know this is to doubly make sure no one is took by surprise …

        the question i have for you Rachel,..well 2 questions (there is a point to this too,hopefully to bring understanding)

        1.would you consider yourself one of the called or one of the Chosen?

        2.is He your Light?..or is He your Glory

      • Hi Brian .. I answered a lot of this to your question in “Knowing Christ is In You” .. where our differences are.

        One comment here … another difference is this idea of Christ in heaven. Christ is at the right hand of the Father. The Father is spirit and everywhere, though we are disconnected when we are in sin from Him. Therefore Christ is our connector back to the Father. Christ is the mediator, intercessor, standing in the gap. He is at His right hand because when we seek to know the Father .. Christ is there so we can know Him. Otherwise we couldn’t. To come to the Father we come through Christ who through Him we have mercy and grace to come to the Father because he is our righteousness. Though we may not be initially righteousness.; that is our end and the Father knows that. As we do come to the Father through Christ we are purified for coming to Christ means you are coming into truth.

        Thus Christ will remain in that position as mediator until all enemies are at his footstool. He will be an mediator until all the world is reconciled to the Father, so that means all have been filled with the righteous spirit of Christ.

        I’ll be posting a video soon on this very topic.

  8. Rachel,

    seriously,..what you are saying is going totally against Scripture,..so before you do your video,..and do something damaging to you self,..please please consider these very clear very easy to understand Scriptures below

    Luke 24:51
    And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

    John 3:13
    And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

    Ephesians 6:9
    And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening:
    knowing that your Master also is in heaven;

    1 Thessalonians 1:10
    And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

    1 Thessalonians 4:16
    For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    2 Thessalonians 1:7
    And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

    Hebrews 9:24
    For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us

  9. Absolutely intelligent sermon by someone receiving actual light from God: I would like to add a little something. The system of buying and selling food developed in Babylon. Babylon still stands, it is money, land ownership, mens laws, government, nations, law enforcement, militaries, church institutions and so forth. Every person on earth is a slave in Babylon. We can’t eat without money, without money we can’t have a place to live, electricity, a car to take us to work for Babylon to earn the money to eat and live. All because men placed value on a rock creating our monetary system. The homeless are slaves in Babylon as they rely on the money from persons who work in Babylon. But we are running out of shiny rocks (gold) for our monetary system. Then for the first time wealthy men will step in and create this system where one can’t buy or sell without the mark of the beast, so that their way of living will not diminish. Only a person living off the land is not a slave to Bablyon. Living without electricity, running water and growing your own food is being free from Babylon. Sometimes I need to live that way in the wilderness to get away from Babylon. In the early Church of Christ there was the use of the word Yawd which meant the right hand of God. What did God do with His right hand, raise the dead, healed the sick, show loving kindness. The Greek translators reduced the right hand of God and changed it to the word church or a building. Whenever we show acts of loving kindness we are doing works of Gods right hand. And so the mark of God is on our right hands and foreheads where we made the decision to do God’s will by acting as His right hand. And so many of us will do the same for the adversary in relation to the downfall of the economy. You have placed a mark on the foreheads of many people by placing in their minds a God who is incapable of anger, hate or violence. Now they must choose in the daily lives to be the right hand of God or the adversary. Truly you have given them a spiritual mark.

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