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Into Our Father’s House

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 Moving Into Our Father’s House

(Part 8: Exploring the Mysteries of our Reality)

 

Passing through the open doors, we move into our Father’s house.

As we enter into a soul connection (open doors) with the divine human soul, Jesus Christ, we enter our Father’s house. God’s spirit moves into and consumes our soul, thus making it his expression. In this union, our individuality is fulfilled and heightened. Each one of us is created to manifest a unique set of potentials so that when we assemble into a harmonious unit as one, we reflect our Creator from whom we came.

Thus, our soul journey into a divine human soul isn’t just about us. Much more importantly, it’s about God intimately integrating himself as a part of this creation in divine love.

God, as Creator, is always beyond his creations. Because his expression is love, our soul journey entails intimately bringing a part of his essence into creation, so an exchange of love can exist between him and us. In this way, his nature of divinity and love can be known, experienced, and expressed. God constructed our soul in all its attributes to be a creation that could partake in his infinite spirit, governance, and likeness. In this fusion of his spirit into our own, his likeness in this creation blooms from a oneness with our soul.

Creative Dynamic of Love

God is love. There are two intertwined aspects within his essence enabling a exchange of love that creates his divine love attribute. The soul-mate relationship between a feminine and a masculine soul and their corresponding spirits provides a glimpse into this dynamic of divine love. Thus, as revealed in the First Parents from which we all flow and are a part of, it’s in this likeness that he manifests himself in this particular creation, creating a trifold union.

In the symbolic formation of female and male as one he expresses: everything he is and isn’t, complementary components that create ever expanding harmonic growth, the creative dynamic of love, and multifaceted expressions of depth and richness of his nature and character. This relationship reveals his reflection, thus it can possess a part of him. Further, each soul, who is a child that is part male and female, possesses the potential of a unique soul connection with him that reveals his love to us, individually, and to others through us.

Expressions of Limitless Divine Potentials

The essence and shape of our eternal spiritual form that expresses uniqueness and individuality give expression to God, who is an entity of limitless divine potentials, which become manifested in his creations. Together as feminine and masculine along with the infinite number of expressions through our individuality, we glimpse into the magnitude of our Creator’s reflection. Through all of us functioning as one, he manifests himself in this creation as he desires to reveal himself to us, which above all is an entity of divine love.

Preparing for Oneness

However, God is holy and infinite. Thus, his likeness isn’t found in perfect finiteness (the pre-sleep state of the First Parents; the limited perfect self), or not in imperfect finiteness (the sleep state that the First Parents and we all experience; the false-fabricated self), but in the perfection beyond perfection infiniteness (the immortal state of the divine self). The previous two states were necessary to create the final state that bears his reflection.

To be one with God we must be holy as he is holy, and infinite as he is infinite. But we can’t be either without him. To be holy and infinite is to be divine in all our soul elements.

  1. Divine Judgment: Our evaluative capacity to manifest perfect cause.
  2. Divine Time: Our perceptual location in the eternal present.
  3. Divine Emotions: Our affective expressions of the sensational nuances of love.
  4. Divine Desire: Our creative intention or response of perfection beyond perfection.
  5. Divine Words: Our cognitive expressions creating living love.
  6. Divine Perception: Our level of awareness derived from the Internal Light.
  7. Divine Will: Our internal combustion to manifest immortal harmony.

Of the seven elements of our soul, desire is the one that is formed beyond our self. Desire is what proceeds creation. Because it’s beyond us and before us, it’s the one element that can be purified and refashioned while we are in our fabricated soul state. And because desire is the progenitor of creation, when this desire becomes divine our oneness with our Father starts to form, as he fills and governs each soul element.

To create a oneness with us, he created our soul that could hold his spirit. Thus to this particular creation, when he unites with this creation, he is Soul. But God is also far beyond this soul creation and by no means limited to it. In the final reflection, he enters creation and acquires the names Father and Son, as the root and the offspring. In this intimacy within our soul, he becomes our perfect Father, a root, for we take on his likeness and his consciousness governs ours from our point of origin. But also in this union, he becomes a Son, an offspring, for his soul is born into this creation out of a oneness with ours. Another significant lesson revealed and taught by Jesus Christ.

In the divine human soul, God infuses his divinity into our seven soul elements. His nature becomes expressed through our individual soul. In this metamorphosis that begins with divine desire, God makes his way into his beloved creation. For it’s in the soul, our constructs of unseen truths, that love is known, and it’s through the soul that the spirit of love is expressed. With a union so pervasive and deep, he governs all as he is the smallest point and yet expands into all of creation. He fills all that we are, and all of creation.

In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:2-3

Author: Rachel

My passion is cultivating a deep relationship with God and helping others to do the same. I LOVE sharing with others insights that God has taught me and hearing what God has taught them... thus my blog, Stirring the Deep. My focus is on a relationship, not a religion. Life is in the relationship. I believe in a balance and unity of body, mind and spirit. I feel it's important to nurture all three for they all affect each other. I try to live in the present, where the Holy Spirit is. And I try to do all with the motive of love. I've come to believe life is a journey and not a destination. It isn't about perfection, is it about growth.

84 thoughts on “Into Our Father’s House

  1. I think this is the
    type of examination that
    Jesus is actually asking one to lay down. At least if you look at it, from His perspective He seemed to be seeking, to deliver people from soul work, to achieve a place, in the kingdom.
    I remember something I learned from the statement of one philosopher, that
    said, when you go on a journey, leave behind your burdens so that you may be free to travel.
    In order to meet you, in your thoughts here where would one begin to start applying love?
    I think love is being lost, as one begins to approach more complication in the soul.
    How can one speak to you of love if love must redefine it’s life, through implicit complication?
    Is your perspective love or is your love seeking a perspective?
    I think there is a difference.
    My eyes tell me there is a difference.
    So I am trying to see this, from your perspective.
    But when you begin to live, I think you will find this quite a burden to take up a mountain.
    I’m not trying to redefine love or redefine your love.
    I’m just looking at it. Hopefully that doesn’t redefine friendship.

    • The love of God is not the same as the love of this world. There is a natural love and a divine love. The natural, though beautiful, is created through self-determination. The divine is expressed through a living connection with the source of life. No human being can teach you of this love, but it can be felt and experienced through your soul perceptions in a way that provides the knowledge of its existence. The soul work we do is to desire this love, that we may discern its existence.

      • For me, just me…. Only my view natural love is crap, divine love is were it is at.
        My view… marriage is were all 4 types of love can be made manifest, the only place that is GOD given towards… Agape, Storage, Philo and Eros

    • “How can one speak to you of love if love must redefine it’s life, through implicit complication?”-

      It’s only complicated if one makes it so… truly their is an internal war between the natural man and the Spirit. Love is love, no matter how it is conveyed… what I believe people don’t get, is that Sister Rachel is blessed in expressing the love of God. The Apostles when they wrote the scriptures, all though they were filled with the spirit of God, their individuality was also printed, Peter is a fisherman, that background is seen in his writings… Paul a scholar, that individuality is seen in his writings.

      What I truly love about this absolutely wise and beautiful creation of God, sister Rachel… is that infusion. There is a point where the love of God is to take on and even greater light with in all those that profess Him.
      I have my own way of expressing the love of God… and I will be honest I need to grow more in His love.

      “Is your perspective love or is your love seeking a perspective”
      Perspective love
      or
      love perspective

      These remind me of the philosophical questions, that do more harm than good because the heart of man is deceptive. Who gave the mind, the spirit? Not God… if love was so fruitless, then why those He who made all good things… say to love one another, that the great commandments are based in love? Why is it then that love does more good than hate does. For if love is just a perspective… why do so many don’t have that perspective. This is truth… sin is evil and good is love. This is beyond perspective… this is an absolute truth.

    • I think this is the
      type of examination that
      .
      Dictionary Examination: a detailed inspection or investigation

      “type of examination that
      Jesus is actually asking one to lay down. .”- All beloved sister Rachel speaks forth comes from the LORD through the Holy Spirit… basking in the scriptures is what all those who follow the Christ are to do, for if they truly want to follow the LORD they will come to the same place, where the word of God take hold into a person and their life is morphed into that which God always intended for His children, through the Spirit of God. “You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me” – John 5:39

      “At least if you look at it, from His perspective He seemed to be seeking, to deliver people from soul work, to achieve a place, in the kingdom”- If you’re the same person which have been crude in past posts… I can’t see how you know God. For if you did.. you will know this isn’t a perspective, but an absolute truth. The LORD is here to save people from their sins, the idea of work base salvation goes back to Egypt and many of the pagan religions.. it has nothing to do with God.

      “I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10″The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly. 11″I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep”- John 10:10

      “How can one speak to you of love if love must redefine it’s life, through implicit complication?”- with respect, if you can’t love your fellow man, in what ever is revealed… even if you never see them, or hear from them. How can you ever love… for true love is unconditional, their is no condition to love. There 4 main type of love… but the one all those who are of God have is known as agape, which is the noblest of loves.
      But you say this, how can one speak forth of love… if love changes their life, and you presume it is through implied complications. This statement is not of God but of rhetorical deception.. for it has no truth in it.
      This is truth Love is good… if one is not good they can’t love. This is absolute truth… all must have their heart renewed in the fire… for it is written:

      “Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. “Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. “I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.”-Ezekiel 36:26

      implied complications, or in other words complications which are implied. “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”- John 16:33 The LORD speak forth what all those that follow Him will face, their is no imply complication there and too
      “love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous”-Matthew 5:44

      God is real… repent anonymous of your sins, or you will reap your harvest of death. The way is through the Christ.. becoming more Christ like… if you want to know how to love and be righteous, you will not find it here… for we are servants of him who share our thoughts and express forth truth with our God given individuality, which is blessed by the LORD, for He has looked upon us and shown us His salvation. He is the Master, you can only truly love if you seek of the Kingdom of God and first love God with all your heart, soul and mind.

      “Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.”-Romans 13:10

      “So I am trying to see this, from your perspective.
      But when you begin to live, I think you will find this quite a burden to take up a mountain.”-
      “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”-Matthew The LORD never said His ways were easy, but when one bask and seek after the Kingdom only, the wisdom of the LORD becomes like sweet honey, living uprightly becomes The joy of life for we glorify Him that made all things.

      You believe it is a burden, so instead you rather the wide way… that lead onto destruction, and that is your free choice… if that statement is in reference to the LORD’s will, and I testify of the skillfully crafted sister Rachel of the LORD, being in accordance to the will of God, and that includes all that she has done to spread that Love of God.

      “I’m not trying to redefine love or redefine your love.”- You claim that love was being redefine, yet that statement was rhetorical deception for no one can change the love of Christ speak of.. for it is absolute truth connected to good. Yet now you claim to not redefining it… yet before you accuse of it being redefine “How can one speak to you of love if love must redefine it’s life,” This statement literally says how can some one speak of love, if love changes their life… that is a fallacy of logic, a contradiction. The fact that I am honored by the LORD, to witness the truth and to see brothers and sisters speaking forth uprightly… biblically and loving one another as the LORD said is precious to me.. for the LORD bless me in seeing my sister and brother, in seeing the creations He has made in His image and Likeness. .

      “I’m just looking at it. Hopefully that doesn’t redefine friendship.”- friendship cannot be redefine, for friendship is friendship… that is a fallacy. Though I feel you imply some thing other than holiness. And with that May the LORD humble you as He did so many.

    • The love you speak of is crap… It is of evil. The Love of God which has been exhibited to you for probably over a year now on here… Is true love and I see your statements as trying to redefine that love which is pure. And that is perverted, I hope you take a serious look at your self and because GOD will on the day judgemtn and if you are not funded the blood… GOD will be looking right through you. Agape is the highest love it is noble and that is the love shown to your for about a year on here… Either accept the truth of the Bible or prepare to burn in hell fire.

  2. i remind myself that knowledge isn’t the goal but overcoming the world and sitting with Jesus at the right hand of the throne of the Eternal Power is our sure place of peace and forever our trust

  3. to know the love of the Christ, which surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled with all the fullness that God gives.

    This love is in no way a result of some secret knowledge. Or complex teaching or formula.
    But knowledge of God and his word . But it is a gift of God. Given by him alone. All else is counterfeit.

    It does not depend on him that runneth, or upon he that willeth, but upon God who has mercy.

    Blessed be ye poor , for yours is the Kingdom of God
    Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

    But those whose lives revolve around their earthly desires and ambitions, especially for greatness or luxery are far from him.

    Would you write an 800 page book explaining what laugher is?
    And how to achieve it?
    Wouldn’t it be boring?
    And would it work?

    The love of God is the finest experience one can have in life.
    Only God and the person receiving it know.
    Many are called but few are chosen.
    But we are far from home in a strange land that does not know him and hurts him constantly

    Eph 4:19

    Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. .

  4. There is no method, for God already knows the heart.
    He cannot be seduced
    But satan seeks to seduce
    And leads the blind astray

  5. The Entity of Man

    The following touches on the subject matter of entity and although it is not important for us to agree on this subject, I see that we can discuss not only this but anything because we understand firsthand it is about the love of the spirit we really share and not so much the subject matter of the law. In the perspective of how I have been lead to believe on the following subject, it is the only way that the scriptures harmonize without having to bend to the point where we break…from the explanation. When we understand the difference in “separateness of entity” and “likeness of character” and how these two things harmonize with one another when understood in the proper context, all scriptures flow without having to make excuses for plain speech.

    Entity.

    “Do not be turned away by different strange teachings, because it is good for your hearts to be made strong by grace, and not by meats, which were of no profit to those who took so much trouble over them” (Hebrews 13:9.)

    By letting this understanding of the above verse about grace trumping “meats”(knowledge) let us in this spirit converse and share on the subject of our relationship to God, Christ, and to one another. It is given in seeking His glory, in us, and not in seeking anything, or for any fleshly recognition for ourselves.

    The kingdom of Heaven isn’t about doctrine, intellectual philosophical theory, or carnal knowledge of the scripture, but about a relationship with God, it’s about obeying, loving and knowing ( as in being) Him. True faith is not only believing in something or about something, faith is about becoming that which is of God ( for true belief cannot be separated from the substance) for faith “and belief” is in actuality becoming the very likeness and character of all that God is. We being His children, will be born of the spirit in which He is, and Who is the “I Am”, a claim of having been, being, and will be, meaning with no beginning or having no end.

    Again…when we have become all that He “Is” will we not become of that very same substance of all that He was, is, and will be, without beginning and end, the “I AM”? Having been given of His very substance which has no beginning and end will we not be able to claim as Christ, life without beginning or end? Our being created has a beginning as to entity, as it is a start of being given that which God gives of who Himself is. God is spirit so He gives no less. Since God has no beginning and if we are given the very substance of God with no beginning, then who He is is who we become…in spirit, and if we are given of His spirit which has no beginning, we also will have no beginning. In fact that part of us behind the veil in the most holy place is God’s down payment to us and it is in the now, present tense. After all, we are created from Himself that has no beginning or end.

    So if we look into the future of having life with no end this is but half of the understanding, for we will also come to the understanding that it is the same spirit we will have (when matured to understand) which also had no beginning…thus….our “entity” becomes like our Father and even so more absolute in the pattern which is our “firstborn” brother. While having this understanding of entity and relationship in a more correct perspective, the truth that this reveals is fathomless to the caramel mind. This truth only touches on the gift of life and it’s coming freedoms…But, as it is written,

    “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
    nor the heart of man imagined,
    what God has prepared for those who love him”—these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.(1 Corinthian 2:9)

    Men simply cannot grasp without revelation what this means, and it comes only by obedience to all that we know and understand…and maybe not even then…for God gives us even the ability to obey…so what are we to boast of…in being like Himself? It is a gift.

    “For as the Father has life in himself, so He has granted the Son also to have life in himself.” (John 5:26) As Christ is our pattern and example (in “all” things) this verse goes for those who came and comes after the “pattern.” We find ourselves in the person, pattern and example of Jesus Christ, do we not? Do we not agree that the relationship between the Father and the Firstborn, the pattern, is also the same for His other sons who come after the first, also to be made in the same likeness and relationship?

    Because I live, you also will live. In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. (John 14:19) This verse is talking about having a sameness of spirit and “likeness” but not in the sameness of “entity” for as our pattern was given life in himself ( John 5:26) we also are given the same life to have in ourselves. We follow the pattern. If we want to know our future relationship to God, we are but to look to our Pattern, Jesus Christ. It is hard for some to fathom our importance to God and our coming stature in Him, through the pattern of the Firstborn. The “over comer’s” relationship to Christ and His relationship to us will be in the same likeness “and entity” as was given to Jesus Christ by our Father. The only difference is, is Jesus Christ is the firstborn…among many brethren.

    If people could understand the concept of likeness and spirit, and their relationship as to “entity”, and when “entity” becomes one with the spirit, they would have no problem understanding the order and relationship of the Father to the son and the Son to the Father..and therefore ours to them. If we followed the pattern to the very detail, would we not become like Christ, not only in the very substance of the Father, but our entity would be also in the very same relationship to the Father? ( John 5:26) Of course it would and will. In the manufacturing world patterns and prototypes are to make all other products in like manner. It is the measurement and likeness that all the other products (sons) will be made like, without any deviation at all, else it is not the same in likeness and cannot be admitted but rejected.

    Once people understand when the spirit is given in relationship to the entity ( First Jesus and then those who follow), it will clear up the fog of who God is in relationship to Christ and the relationship of Christ to God and then in “like” pattern, us in relationship to…”them”.

    Christ can have no more or less of a relationship with God in spirit and “entity” as God’s other son’s..or this is what the scriptures and the spirit teaches. Are the son’s who come after the firstborn different from the firstborn in relationship to God? When they are matured they are in every way the same, in likeness, character, and image as the first, and they are and will be the same in entity in relationship to God…just as the firstborn was given life in Himself (the starting of being given a separate entity), we are also given a separate entity in like spirt and character.

    So…are the sons who come after the first son, the same entity as God also, or are they only like God in spirit, likeness and character as is the first Son…but we’re the sons given an entity as Christ was given an entity…as it say’s again…For as the Father has life in himself, so He has granted the Son also to have life in himself. (John 5:26) By this granting of entity to Christ first and then us, God created the example and pattern for all the rest to follow who comes after the first.

    The study and revelation between spirit and entity is a revelation of God’s relation to all of His creation, from the “first born” to the “last born”. Entity is what gives us our individual freedom, separate from God, it is His spirit which makes us all the same in likeness. The oneness of God and the trinity of God is a debate that humans have had in not understanding entity in relation to spirit.

    “For the Kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost” (Romans 14:17.)

    The scriptures are “all” unscrambled only when God and Christ is looked at in proper relationship. It is no longer a mystery that God and Christ is the same one in likeness, character, and spirit while remaining as God gave, separate in entity.

    While we may understand how and why people believe what they call the Godhead in their varying ways, we see that the variance in understanding is understanding when the entity of us all takes on the likeness, character and image of God. A small difference in perspective indeed and one not to be debated in being divisive, but never the less to be understood.

    While all receive revelation, all do not receive the complete picture all at once, including this writer, so with all due respect and love, I give and share what God has given me to understand. As we understand that all the natural world was created to explain the spirit world that “already” was and is and does exist does a son who was fathered by another go back to being the father from which he came upon his natural death? No he doesn’t and neither does Christ become one in “entity” again with the Father nor does any other son. If it can be explained in the natural relationship, it will only explain the spiritual relationship of Father and son (s).

    As one of a differing view than some others on this subject do I esteem myself greater than or better than another for believing as I do? If I disrespect another of a varying view about this subject or any other am I better or less than this other? Of course not for it is God who gives to us individually and as He sees necessary for that we are being called to do. Did all the disciples and apostles see all things alike during their journey here, did they not have disputes? What matters in our exchange is the way we conduct ourselves in our exchange for it is in the conduct we prove ourselves and not in the letter.

    Not all have the understanding that love is far above and beyond the differences in the letter for the letter comes after the mind is opened to the spiritual meanings. Remember the outward natural things are only explained to what already is and that “is” is “in” us, for we are the spiritual temple where God dwells.

    Sonny

    • Hi Sonny,

      This is long enough to be a separate blog post … 🙂

      Separate entities, yet same likeness. I think this is important to delineate because I think many have misunderstood this dynamic. Many get this mixed up and treat Jesus Christ as God and God as Jesus Christ. Then our Father gets completely forgotten, which he is the one we are being “reconciled” back to. They are separate as Jesus Christ came from God as a creation of God, yet a creation who reflects the likeness of God because God’s divine consciousness governs him and he isn’t governed by a self-determined consciousness. When we all are governed by the same divine consciousness we will be his brothers and sisters, we will all be one, yet we maintain our individuality, our separate entities. We will be like all pieces of a mosaic that fit harmoniously together. We are his brothers and sisters now in the sense that our end is sure and we will be in his likeness, but we are still in formation ~ obviously. And God the Father is far above us all. Yet because he is love, He creates us so that we can be united to him in an eternal bond of divine love.

      I sense that you, Sonny, may have thought that I believe that Jesus Christ was God and God was Jesus Christ. No I do not believe that. In my blog, I mention many things in passing that go deeper. Let me see if I can explain a bit more, yet how words are lacking when it comes to expressing our soul perceptions. This is why the Spirit of Truth is given to each one, and he is to be our Teacher. The same spirit that was in Christ and made him the teacher he was.

      When God unites himself to this heavens and earth he changes it to create a new heavens and a new earth. The way that I am learning that he is coming is incredibly powerful and beautiful. And it goes all the way back to the first parents. Everything will come full circle. There is much that I haven’t gotten around to sharing in relation to that, but the timing will be perfect.

      The kingdom comes within. So He is coming from within us, not outside of us. He is king and it is his kingdom because he will govern us from within our soul/spirit. This is the only way immortal harmony and our individuality can exist. Right now we are not governed in the light. We are under his governance, but experiencing a soul state of what it would be like to not be governed by him from within but by our own self-directed consciousness (darkness). We find out it doesn’t work, to say the least. When his kingdom comes within, he is governing within us as he does in Christ Jesus. This is how immortal harmony is created among so many individuals. This will create our oneness with him, with Christ Jesus, and with each other. This internal governance creates a oneness in which we bear the likeness of his spirit attributes, which all together can be summed up in divine love. Because he comes from within us and flows through us .. it is his spirit flowing through our individuality. So when Christ says when you see me, you see the Father, you see the likeness of the character of the Father through the individuality of Christ Jesus. Do you see what I meant? I didn’t mean as many believe today that Christ Jesus is God. He is a son. God is always beyond his creations, yet creates them to be connected to him in love.

      The plan of God, as I’m learning, is going to come full circle back to the Garden. His redemption and regenerative plan go all the way back to where it started, to Adam and Eve. God is building his reflection into this new heavens and new earth that have been as if covered by a dark cloud. In making himself as a part of this creation and by coming from within, he is also like a son. So for example, when his spirit flows through Adam and Eve, the first parents he would be not only their Father but in a sense their son, because as he enters this creation he comes through them. When we have a child today, he or she is a combined expression of the parents’ spirits, as well as other attributes. He is putting himself in creation, by putting his attributes here in and through us. He is our beginning and end. He is our root and his spirit is our offspring, the same spirit that made Jesus, the Christ. He is all in all. It is his divine consciousness that is beyond us yet will flow through us that creates this oneness and fills creation with his regenerative divine love. He has no form, but through our forms not only will we be expressing our utmost individuality, but in he will be expressing his characteristics, as in Christ Jesus, thus also expressing himself. This is a concept not talked about, but it explains a lot when you can understand this teaching. But this understanding continues to go quite deep.

      Yet in this oneness, our individuality is not only amplified, but now expressing perfect cause and divine love. Just as expressing darkness ( a soul nature absent his internal governance, which is the “internal light”) has many expressions, expressing light as all the more – for light is the real and of eternity. These concepts can be difficult to put into words .. for their magnitude, depth and beauty are beyond what our eyes have seen that have only gazed upon in this earth in a “darkened form”. We are seeing how God is creating light here, his light, which is his internal governance. And if we haven’t the prior building blocks, it’s difficult to receive or understand these things. But there are pictures and analogies to help us in seeing, thank goodness. But, they are best perceived by our soul perceptions as we are taught by the Spirit of Truth. The Spirit of Truth knows what building blocks we need next.

      Recently, I’ve been sharing a lot of things not often spoken of as I am, and it is easy to misunderstand or apply incorrect assumptions to my words. Like applying to them what the mainstream concept may be of a word, phrase, etc. When sharing, we are to share what we have learned, but also realize we do not see all that the speaker sees or how he or she sees it. We never do. This is where misunderstandings arise, when we think we understand what another is saying when we don’t quite see. We can’t because we aren’t them. There is always more. But when the Spirit of Truth is teaching us a similar thing on a similar level as another, we understand them better. Words are just a scratching of the surface of what we hold true. I’m sharing a lot of things that haven’t been shared very much, I understand there may be confusion. But again, what we each learn, how we learn is for our journey and purpose. We should be most focused on learning what the Spirit of Truth wants us to learn. Knowing God is directing each one according to his will and way, which aren’t our ways (in the sense of how he directs us, or how we would direct someone). I hope this helps.

      Rachel

      • Your kindness and understanding is so remarkable. Whether I answer you with just one word or ten thousand words, I feel you would understand all I could possibly say if I just left it blank.

        I appreciate you.

      • Peace and Honor Sister

        Respectably In the near future, I will like to share my thoughts, on this quoted statement:

        “Separate entities, yet same likeness. I think this is important to delineate because I think many have misunderstood this dynamic Many get this mixed up and treat Jesus Christ as God and God as Jesus Christ. Then our Father gets completely forgotten, which he is the one we are being “reconciled” back to. They are separate as Jesus Christ came from God as a creation of God, yet a creation who reflects the likeness of God because God’s divine consciousness governs him and he isn’t governed by a self-determined consciousness.”

        With honor I share this quote, from the prophetess, of the highest sense Ellen G. White.

        THE MYSTERY OF THE GODHEAD

        “Some of Ellen G. White’s strongest warnings were given in regard to the danger of presumptuously attempting to fathom the mysteries of the Deity. She wrote:

        Publish the truth, do not publish error. Do not try to explain in regard to the personality of God. You cannot give any further explanation than the Bible has given. Human theories regarding Him are good for nothing. Do not soil your minds by studying misleading theories of the enemy.

        On the other hand, she indicated that there are certain truths on the nature of God revealed in the Bible which are available to those who prayerfully seek to understand them:

        The revelation of Himself that God has given in His Word is for our study. This we may seek to understand. But beyond this we are not to penetrate. The highest intellect may tax itself until it is wearied out on conjectures regarding the nature of God, but the effort will be fruitless. This problem has not been given us to solve. No human mind can comprehend God. None are to indulge in speculation regarding His nature. Here silence is eloquence. The Omniscient One is above discussion.”

        Website: http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/trinity/gane-thesis/e-gane13.htm

        I believe they are two main groups, when it pertains to the nature of God, either Trinitarian or Oneness.

        Ultimately… I know your love for the LORD is exceedingly great, because of what I do see and hear from you. When I share, it will always be with peace and honor sister.

        ~Jedi of Christ~

      • Hi Jedi,

        To add to what Sonny shared …

        Okay, suppose I was to follow this advice, and put self-imposed limits on what I can and can not learn. Because there are many layers to even the Bible, so where do I choose to limit the teaching of the Spirit? But also for me, I wouldn’t have learned to follow the voice of the Spirit of Truth because I would have self-willed many limitations. I would have conformed more to the “doctrines” of man and not to the teachings of the Spirit. Thus, I wouldn’t learn to hear him as I do and I wouldn’t have learned as I have about the divine love of God, for we can only learn of this through an interaction with his Spirit, for it is love. I would have missed on his counsels in the many seasons and circumstances of my life that have taught me so much about the love of God, who he is, and what has helped me in ways beyond what I can count. It’s because I trusted him to teach me has he willed and not that I willed that I learned as I needed to.

        I share my journey with you in an affirmative way because it reflects my current beliefs, which are always evolving. Our beliefs are spoken with confirmatory for they are our beliefs. But in all I share, there is always more to learn. We don’t know as we ought, we’ll always be learning, this is our true humility. So one who says you shouldn’t learn, or you should limit your learning this way and that way, well that goes counter to growth and creates deadness and conformity. It’s a often used form of control in using fear that keeps many souls bound; the truth sets you free.

        But there is a BIG difference between following the words of others, versus the Spirit of Truth.

        We each are given access to the Spirit of Truth and if we desire to learn, we will learn according to our purpose, according to our soul condition, and where we are on our journey, for he is our faithful Teacher; the Teacher of Christ Jesus. His voice is to be the authority in dispersing truth to us, which all others submit to even our own voice. To do so is to honor God as sovereign. I always encourage others to learn and be taught by the Spirit of Truth. Many don’t for many reasons.

        When we learn from him, there isn’t “error” in our understanding; we are growing out of error and into the truth. But there are layers upon layers. He is faithful and true in how he leads us. If we follow a person’s words we can be mislead, even if what they say is true, because we can’t receive the fullness of the truth from the outside, but through the soul perceptions the Spirit of Truth utilizes. The Spirit can use anything and anyone to teach us by, but it is his authority and interworking in our soul. When we follow the Spirit’s words they will always create an increasing pure love in our hearts, as he moves us into what is true. This is how you know you are following the Spirit of Truth if a sincere pure love is increasing in you and altering your life along the way.

        Don’t fear those learning and growing; there is nothing to fear in the workings of perfect love. Instead, we honor the Spirit by honoring how one is learning and growing according to their journey and purpose, which we don’t know the fullness of, and may be different from our own. And often they don’t know the fullness of themselves. But it is extremely profitable for us to be diligent to listen to the Spirit’s voice, to do so is to honor the gift we been given. To say he has nothing to offer you, or we put self-imposed limits on what he can or can’t teach us only limits our self and everyone else, for we are all connected. There is no boundary to our learning. Fear puts boundaries because some get uncomfortable with what they don’t know or don’t understand or something that they think they understand and is now questioned, or for the big reason, to control. But remember are beliefs aren’t static. As living souls, we are always growing, thus our understanding of truth and love is always expanding and growing.

        Here are some verses that reflect what I’m sharing.

        John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

        John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

        John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you ALL things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

        John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into ALL truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

        2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

        Ephesians 5:9 For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;

        Matthew 13: 17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

        Matthew 23:10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.

        There are many more, Psalm 119 has many. The Spirit of Truth is given to each one of us. Our words may not be for prophecy or written in books for generations to come, but the Spirit is the same to each one of us and we are to be taught by him. He is our teacher and we are all “brethren” – if more followed this teaching of Christ, we would resolve a a lot of problems. He knows what we need to learn, and we grow as we need to as we let him teach us how ever he leads us. For he knows the full truth of which we can only expand into by his guidance.

        Those truly learning of the Spirit of Truth learn similar things whatever their background, it unites them. It’s incredible. Those learning from man create divisions, and more divisions and more divisions.

      • “Separate entities, yet same likeness. I think this is important to delineate because I think many have misunderstood this dynamic Many get this mixed up and treat Jesus Christ as God and God as Jesus Christ. Then our Father gets completely forgotten, which he is the one we are being “reconciled” back to. They are separate as Jesus Christ came from God as a creation of God, yet a creation who reflects the likeness of God because God’s divine consciousness governs him and he isn’t governed by a self-determined consciousness.”

        Would you agree that this belief you hold of Jesus Christ is a Arian worldview?
        Arianism: The belief that Christ is a created being.

        Treat Jesus Christ as God and God as Jesus Christ… you believe is wrong, because by the quoted statement you believe Jesus is created and that people focus on Him so much that the Father is forgotten?

        “They are separate as Jesus Christ came from God as a creation of God”.. I believe this proves your world view then on Jesus Christ.

        I hope my responds come across as well intended because that is what all of my responds are. I had read your reply and what strikes me is the belief, that what the LORD has sent through His messenger and is also proven by Scripture… to be as you said, a self-imposed limitation. This strikes me because what was quoted by Miss White… I know this is not a limitation, but wisdom, because it is base on the Bible and is coming from GOD through His messenger Ellen G White, just as through the Prophets of Old, for these latter days. And the Bible does back what the messenger of GOD said.. in that what is revealed in Scripture is for us to contemplate, but besides that we are not to penetrate. That we cannot explain any further the personality of GOD other than what is given in the HOLY SCRIPTURES… and that also they are truths in the Bible concerning the nature of GOD, that can be found if we prayfully seek to understand them.

        “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD. 9″For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.”- Isaiah 55:9

        “29”The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law.”-Deuteronomy 29:29

        The revelation of Himself that God has given in His Word is for our study. This we may seek to understand. But beyond this we are not to penetrate. This is a Biblical principal and is wisdom.

        I would share here as well, that Jesus Christ is GOD. He is known as the WORD OF GOD (Rev 19:13)… how much honor thus Jesus Christ deserves?
        “All men should honor the Son just as they honor the Father”- John 5:23
        Christ is equal to the Father and is to be honored as equally with he Father “It was through Christ that the Father made the world” John 1:3

        In fact.. Jesus said “He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”

        We can only know the Father through Jesus Christ because Jesus Christ is the Father manifested as the WORD OF GOD in this space and time reality because the Father is outside this creation reality. The source of Life

        There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons.

      • Hi Jedi, You are indeed passionate about your beliefs. This relationship between Jesus, the Father and us is beautiful to behold and when understood reveals depths of understanding. If I may share my thoughts with you in regards to understanding this relationship. In my experience, I began to understand the nature of these relationships when I saw them through the Spirit of Truth’s eyes as he taught me from within. Once I saw, I realized it was something I couldn’t have seen through another human soul’s eyes, even a prophet. But only through my own interaction with the Spirit of Truth that is of the Father and that was speaking through Jesus Christ, thus the Word of God. When we look to gain our understanding from the Spirit of Truth versus from another’s understanding, we gain the eyes to see and the ears to hear. Only this can give us a true reflection. This is why we’ve been given this Spirit … to teach us all things. It’s the only way we truly “see”. And once we see this way, we can see what others are trying to reveal through their words.

      • Jesus Christ and the Father are one. Jesus is equal to the Father, and thus deserving of the same Honor as the Father. We know the WORD was in the beginning, and was with GOD and Is GOD… And that the WORD is the LORD Jesus, who is GOD. The Father and the Son are of the same Divine Nature that neither are created and both are Eternal.

        Jesus found it no robbery being equal to the Father, but yet humbled Himself to the Father.

        I know their are aspects of the nature of GOD which can be revealed to us, if we prayfully seek after them on the Scriptures. I can see GOD has given you wisdom. It would bring me joy to see you in Heaven. Though what looked to me a doctrine that Jesus Christ is created, I had to go against.

        Peace and Honor

      • Hi Jedi, I too have no desire to debate beliefs. I respect yours for where you are at and I ask you do the same for me; which I see you trying. If you want to know what I think on things ..then I’m open to sharing, but not to be met with criticism because I don’t enjoy that atmosphere of dialogue, but to share in a maturity of spirit as fellow sojourners through this soulful experience.

      • Critical atmosphere is an unsafe one for our mind. Have I come across as such, if so I would like to know please? Could I please know, what it is you think about the nature of Jesus Christ? Respectably I will share, that I know Jesus Christ is Eternal as GOD the Father is… Though I am starting to think, that the Son of GOD could have forfeited an aspect of His Divinity when He became incarnate….something I think most people may not know. I am starting to think that all power Jesus has comes from the Father now.

      • Hi Jedi,

        I hope you don’t mind me being frank, given that you asked? I pray my words are received in the spirit of help and love that they are intended. Your comments come across a bit like “I’m right, you are wrong” attitude in how we learn and progress on our soul journey? It feels like a comparison to judge instead of a sharing to love. Yet, I do see an underlining care as well, which I don’t want to undermine in anyway. It seems you think that your path is the only and right path, which also says that another’s is wrong? If I’m wrong please correct me.

        Sometimes our beliefs themselves cast an atmosphere of judgment or love. For example if we believe in the traditional view of hell versus the sovereignty of God in the salvation of all. Or if we believe in a conditional love versus an unconditional love. For example, most organized religions are of a conditional love … do this or you are out mentality.

        What I’ve noticed among many of my friends, is God is able to lead anyone from anywhere to Himself starting with whatever belief system they are currently in. It is quite incredible. He certainly did this with me. He didn’t undo my belief system all at once, but led me bit by bit, as truth builds layer upon layer, over many years .. and he still is doing this. As we grow in the understanding of unconditional divine love, and the sovereignty and faithfulness of God; our concepts of how we once viewed God change; thus how we see others’ journeys in relation to him. A sincere love starts to reframe our previous understandings.

        As for the nature of divine love of Jesus Christ .. let me share something that I recently shared with a friend …

        I believe the Father, Jesus “Christ” and the “Holy Spirit” are all of the same essence and same spirit … a spirit we one day will also be a part of, thus of eternal life.

        God is beyond form and creation because he is the Creator, thus we know him through his attributes and characteristics which when expressed equate to a pure, perfect, holy, and divine love and the absolute truth that coincides with it. Jesus reflected the Father’s attributes in this creation, as he took on a human form as well. Thus, he is the Word (the Truth expressed of God) and he is love. Thus as “we’ve seen Jesus, we’ve seen the Father” (the Father is without form, but we see a picture of his likeness and character in Jesus). Jesus Christ revealed what we will also one day be .. of the likeness of the Spirit of Truth and love that is of the Father; the Christ, which is the anointing of truth. Yet, we are not God. But we will be a part of him … as children are part of a parent. And we will be brothers/sisters with Jesus Christ, who was the “firstborn” among us in creation.

        Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

        Jesus is subjected to the Father for the Father far beyond any expression within a creation, even one expressing one of his likeness. Jesus submitted
        to the Father, did the will of the Father, 1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. The Father as I’ve come to know him is far more extensive than Jesus Christ, though Jesus Christ is a part of him; of his spirit of his essence.

        The Holy Spirit, is the Spirit of God, thus holy. It is the Spirit that extends from the Father thus of Truth and Love and all the characteristics contained within these. So this Spirit flows from the Father through Jesus and is our greatest Teacher, and Jesus being of the same Spirit is also our Teacher. Again offering words of life and spirit. When we possess this Spirit we’ll bear the reflection of the Father like Jesus, thus be Christ-like. Yet, we will also possess our own individuality, like Jesus possesses his own. Individuality is our own unique set of potentials to fulfill in this creation for throughout eternity. Presently, the Spirit of Truth or Holy Spirit influences and teaches us to prepare us in a faith environment for the substance of the Spirit, again as Jesus had. This is why Jesus called us brethren, knowing we also would one day have the same spirit. When our faith is fulfilled, we have the substance and we’ll all be one because we are governed by the same Spirit originating with the Father – as Jesus prayed in John 17. And this is now death is overcome for this oneness of spirit creates immortal harmony and ends disharmony, out of which death comes. When God is all in all, all will be united as one unit by his singular spirit, which will be expressed through all our individualities.

      • Good tidings.
        Thinking about what was shared… It is true,I could come across as wanting to be right. especially in my earlier comments. I would have to work on that, I absolutely want to bear my Creator image. I’m sorry if I have not given the respect required of me, and of my expression. I will endeavor to express myself with more of a sharing attitude. Though I will say that what I have shared about Prophecy is true and is the only was in connection of the ‘times’ to be understood.

        I know this because of the Spirit of Prophecy given by Ellen G. White and by the Bible Prophecy. Interestingly, Ellen G. White gift of Prophecy is in the Bible Revelations 19:10. The testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy.

      • Hi Jedi,

        The nature of beliefs is that we believe we are right … and not that we are wrong, but when we are in Truth our beliefs are always expanding, deepening, and coming more in line with absolute truth. It’s as if we start to see a very dim light far off in a dark room and as we grow in truth it grows brighter and our darkness fades. Once we realize this dynamic about truth, we believe what we know ay the moment, but we also know that that we don’t know as we ought and that what we know will always be expanding and growing.

        Does Ellen G. White believe that hell is eternal?

      • Ellen G White is dead… She lived between early mid 1800 and early 1900. The White Estate has a website about her ministry.

        I nor anyone I know of, in the Seventh Day Adventist Church, don’t believe in the eternal burning of hell fire. We know he’ll fire dies out just like Sodom and Gorrmora hell fire died out, the forever we know referrce to the result of the fire.

        I really need to get into the WORD alot more, and study the Spirit of Prophecy books by Ellen G. White.

        Thank you for the message, all praise and glory to the true LORD of Hosts.

      • Hi Jedi, Thanks .. I actually knew she was dead, so I miss typed. So just to be clear in her beliefs and yours, I assume? … does your belief mean that hell isn’t eternal, but that it is one day consumed like Sodom and Gomorrah so that any soul in it is also consumed and thus non-existant? I suppose I’m looking for what did she believe was the end state of souls?

        So you are a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church? Just to be clear …

      • Peace

        Yes I am a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church… even though Jesuits infiltrated all of Christiandom.

        I know Ellen G. White knows that…. When The LORD cast down from heaven hell fire upone all the wicked. Those who had few sins die more quickly compared to those with more sins. The evil ones, burn the longest and the most intense fire is upone them… To make sure all trase of sin is gone. Hell fire could last for a few days for the really evil ones. Though I can’t say when it will stop, I do know that it will not be forever.

        Yes hell fire isn’t eternal as I and Ellen G. White know. And I know she knew that the end state for the wicked after this Hell fire which will ingulf the whole world… Is none existence. They will be no trace of them.

      • Hi Jedi, as fire is an analogy .. what is the fire exactly according to your understanding? What is it that destroys the wicked? And again just to be clear is it destroying the sin or the person? So are they redeemed after this hellfire, as in purified, thus that’s why sin is no longer existent or is the actual soul destroyed so this individual is no longer existent? I’m just trying to understand your view .. and Ellen’s.

      • Okay… It could be good that I say, that hell fire is real… I know it is so because Sodom and Gorrmora is an example the LORD Jesus Christ said.
        What destorys the wicked is hell fire, which will ingulf the whole earth 🙂

        When hell fire go away, both sin and sinners will have been destroyed. And never again will there be sin and sinner.

        We no the penalty of sin is death… death spiritually and physically.

        GOD will avenge us true Christ followers and Him self. All Vengeance is His.

      • Know*

        I feel It could be good for me to share, that before hell fire Burns up the wicked people starting from Cain till the coming of the Son of GOD… GOD will resurrect the dead saints first and they will be given new glorious bodies. Immortal and exalted like the angels and will be reflecting the images and likeness of God’s…. For He will give us bodies fashioned like unto His own. Philippians 3:21

        The wicked dead will be brought from the dead last and will be destroyed with the brightness of His coming both the wicked dead and the wicked living. Then the righteous shall go up into Heaven with Him where they will be for 1000 earth years which are one day in Heaven. 2 Peter 3:8 and for that 1000 years the devil and his fallen angels will be bound on earth and that vile fallen thing, will see the results of his rebellion. During that 1000 years the righteous will live in plendor.

        After that one thousand years, GOD and the righteous come back to earth, GOD resurrects the dead and brings down new Jerusalem where the saints will be in singing praises to our LORD, and then the evil one goes out to deceive the masses resurrected, and when they go to attack the saints in the city… GOD rains fire down upone the wicked and devours them all, and the fire Burns until they are all destroyed.

        The video Last days events by amazing facts Pastor Doug Bachelor will go through it, its like a short movie. And it’s on YouTube.

        Peace 🙂

      • She expresses appreciation for the united efforts of the laity and literature evangelists in promoting Christ’s Object Lessons (the royalties from which she dedicated toward lifting the indebtedness of Battle Creek College), and urges giving greater attention to the circulation of her other works. Highlighting the importance of this missionary endeavor, she adds:

        Sister White is not the originator of these books. They contain the instruction that during her life-work God has been giving her. They contain the precious, comforting light that God has graciously given his servant to be given to the world. From their pages this light is to shine into the hearts of men and women, leading them to the Saviour. The Lord has declared that these books are to be scattered throughout the world.[193]

        Then, by way of amplifying this idea that “light is to shine” from her writings, and to demonstrate the relationship between those books and the writings of Scripture, she employed an oft-quoted metaphor:

        The Lord has sent his people much instruction, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, and there a little. Little heed is given to the Bible, and the Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light.[194]

        Here Mrs. White makes incidental reference to Genesis 1:16: “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night.” By analogy she is saying that the Bible is the “greater light,” and her writings are the “lesser light.”

        Before examining this analogy in detail to determine what Mrs. White intended to teach by it (and, of equal importance, what she did not intend to convey), let us first examine the question of how Mrs. White herself viewed this “greater light” of Holy Scripture.

        Synthesizing a helpful list provided by Denton E. Rebok[195] and some remarks in three paragraphs from the introduction to The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan,[196] we note Mrs. White’s position on Scripture, and then how she saw her writings vis-à-vis the Bible:

        a. Nature of the Bible
        1. The entire Bible is the inspired word of God.
        2. The “truth of God is found in His word.” No one need “seek elsewhere for present truth.”

        b. Purpose of the Bible
        1. The Bible sets the pattern for Christian living.
        2. It contains “comfort, guidance, counsel, and the plan of salvation as clear as a sunbeam.”
        3. It is fitted for the needs of all–rich and poor, learned and illiterate, “all ages and all classes.”
        4. It contains all the knowledge that is “necessary for salvation.” Therefore, men should “cling” to their Bibles, believe and obey them; and then “not one” of them would be lost.

        c. Primacy of the Bible
        1. It is to be accepted “as an authoritative, infallible revelation” of God’s will.
        2. As such, it is “the standard of character, the revealer of doctrines, and the test of experience.”

        d. Role of Spiritual Gifts (Prophecy):
        1. The existence of the Bible “has not rendered needless the continual presence and guiding of the Holy Spirit.”
        2. Rather, Jesus promised His followers the gift of the Holy Spirit to “open the word to His servants” and “to illumine and apply its teachings.”
        3. Since consistency is an attribute of Deity, and since it was the Holy Spirit who originally inspired the Bible, it is impossible that the teaching of the Holy Spirit through the gifts of the Spirit would be contrary to what the Bible says.
        4. The Holy Spirit was not, is not, and never will be given “to supercede the Bible” because “the word of God is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested.”
        5. The Testimonies were given only because man has neglected his Bible; and these are given to direct him back to the Bible.

        (a) They are not given as an addition to the Word of God.

        (b) They are not to take the place of the Word of God.

        http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/rev-insp.html#part3

        Thought It could be good, to give more on Ellen G. White writings.

      • I hope all is blessed 🙂

      • *all those who name is not found in the Lamb book of life, shall perish in hell fire.. Both sin and sinner will burn and individually when God believes they burnt long enough for their crimes… He will have them disintegrate
        Scripture that supports this:
        ” You will tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day which I am preparing,” says the LORD of hosts”- Malachi 4:3
        As we know, God is a good God.. and being a good God He must do what the punishment is, the soul that sin it shall die… being good the punishment must fit the crime. Hence the fire only burns for as long individually until they die. =)

        I hope the comments I posted make clear the theology on hell fire we hold.

      • Knowing their will be no more sin and sinner makes me smile, as well as our GOD avenging 🙂

        Their is a website called formypeople.org
        I believe GOD gave this man dreams because for what I can see, he is bearing the Fruit of the Holy Spirit, he is pointing to the messenger of the LORD Ellen G. White as sent by GOD. He is sharing the dreams the Almighty gave him. As well as giving out free copies of creeping compromise.

        Peace

      • I feel my answer wasn’t direct…. Ellen G. White I know doesn’t believe in an eternal burning of hell fire, but like Sodom and Gorrmora in which hell fire dies away, but the results are forever.

      • Peace

        I type this message, so that I may address things which I had sent in the past, about my view on Jesus. I ve come to realize more, that Jesus Christ isn’t the Father, as well as that Jesus is created.

        Ellen G. White and the Bible clearly points to Jesus Christ being the Son of the Father… In this sense Jesus is Divine and thus is GOD, but He is not the Father manifested as the Word of GOD… Which I so previously thought. GOD is one in three co-eternal persons.

        I know now that Jesus was created, when He became flesh… He became a created being.

        I just wanted to share this because I thought it good, that I share that I was wrong in my understanding of GOD. And you were accurate.

      • Thanks for sharing, Jedi.

      • For me, being respecting and being respectful are two different things.

        I can’t respect a belief that goes against the Bible. But I can be respectful to the person. Islam I don’t respect, but I can respect the person, in the Biblical sense.

      • So you respect the person, but don’t agree with what they believe. Makes sense.

        A couple thoughts came to mind as I read your comment … we are all at different stages of learning and we each have our own unique journey that is greatly impacted by our culture, family, personality, etc. We never know what God is doing in a life, or how is moving them toward the truth in a way that they can progress; for truth builds. I used to think everyone had to walk my path because it is what “worked” for me. But as I heard others’ journeys and how they came to learn the same things I did … my understanding in this area expanded. I realized God was much bigger. There is one God, one Spirit and one truth and he can lead anyone from anywhere into his truth and love. We are all over the place in our beliefs … but God will eventually lead us all back into him; as a faithful Creator and Father. Thus, I personally let go of judging how God is teaching and leading another, thus where they are in their current beliefs, realizing we are his workmanship and a work in progress. Thus I stopped believing they had to do it my way and trusted God to do it his way in their life. I instead desire to reflect the love and patience that he has given me. Thus, I share my journey,for others have blessed me greatly in their sharing, and let his Spirit be the craftsman of their soul. Seeing how this is what truly helps another to grow in love.

        1 Corin 15:28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

      • With respect, some other views on the nature of the LORD with description:

        Trinitarianism: The belief that the God head consist of 3 self existent person- Father, Son and Holy Spirit, who are united as One.

        Arianism: The belief that Christ is a created being.

        Semi-Arianism: The belief that Christ the Son of God, is born or begotten of the Father, in the sense that He derives His existence from Him. The relationship of the Father to the Son is different that the Son is different than any other, in that they both share the same essence.

        Old view: The essentially semi-arian view that Christ is not self existent, Like the Father, much as a child is born to a parent. The Holy Spirit is generally viewed as an influence or presence from the Father.

        New View: The belief in the Trinitarian perspective, that all three persons that all three person of the Godhead are equally self existent and Eternal, sharing the same essence.

        Spirit of Prophecy: The belief that God used prophets and massagers to guide and correct the church. Adventist believe that Ellen G. White received this gift, there for her messages are at time referred too as the spirit of prophecy.

        Andrew University seminary: http://www.andrews.edu/~burt/010524_Burt.pdf

      • Back to your explanation and response.
        It is good to see this likeness and entity as God giving Christ a separate entity and completing him and then taking this pattern and repeating it over and over until all are redeemed. Not many see God and Christ as two entities, though alike in character. There are a few scriptures which throw people off such as “My Father and I are one”. “My Father and I” denotes being a separate entity, while “are one” denotes one in likeness and character.

        Quite a difference. Once we understand the pattern cannot be different than the product to follow, we understand the value of seeing Christ as a separate entity from God although made like Him in every way. Just as a natural father has a son and he is born in the same image and likeness as in the natural, this is a parallel of the spirit that we are made like our spiritual Father when we are born of the spirit. As we had ten fingers and ten toes in a natural likeness of our natural father, we will also be like our spiritual Father. A good parallel to focus on.

        As to the kingdom coming within, without outward observation, this is very true. There will be little for another to recognize one walking in heaven…on earth, for it is a spiritual journey all the way. We may walk in a natural body, but it only houses the eternal spirit until as you say we will come full circle back to the kingdom of God. Where you speak of the garden of Eden, this is so true. Where we were once one spirit before our fall, as was Adam one in spirit before his fall, we being born of the flesh and given “a split personality of an Adam and Eve condition” when our soul matures back into the spirit, our “split” reunites and a oneness takes place again.

        Yes…we come full circle, being one again in one spirit from which we came. One spirit as being given one entity before the fall, to a divided spirit in the fall (Adam and Eve or spirit and soul) and after our regenerative process, one again in one spirit. What actually happened to Adam was his one spirit was divided into two parts. As we have a mind and heart, two compartments as depicted in the natural tabernacle, one houses the spirit and one houses the soul. The dividing “thing” is the veil of flesh. The spirit or husband on one side of the veil, and the soul or wife on the other side of the veil. One cannot unite with the other because the fleshly veil ( or the fleshly lust in us). However when we come full circle, having the veil rent, in us, where the spirit and soul can reunite and once it is accomplished we have been regenerated back to God…full circle. This is a difficult subject to say the least for many but never the less we understand just as we live, day by day or a little at a time. You can say it takes two to make a marriage, a male and a female and they must come together to make one in the natural. In the spirit, the man (spirit) must become one with the woman (soul) for the spiritual marriage to take place. When they do come together and the spirit has taught the soul to become one with “him” the soul takes on the nature (name) of her husband the spirit. Adam and Eve is a spiritual allegory and story of the spirit and soul. Adam being the spirit, Eve being the soul. If you follow it through we see the coming of our full circle back even before the garden. The story is a remarkable parallel to our inner journey of our soul being reunited to our spirit.

        We will have no more confusion because we will not think from two different perspectives anymore. When our soul quits being influenced by the flesh ( or the serpent in the garden, in us) she will only be influenced by our one true spirit given us “before” the fall as was Adam.

        I read this carefully and I see what you are saying and it is a good read. I don’t see that I can disagree with your views as mine are almost identical. Especially in that we know and agree there is a higher walk that trumps knowledge and in our agreeing of it.
        There is much said in the bible about not letting our doctrinal views become our center piece of dissension for it is not the letter of the law which binds us but the likeness of having the same care, in encouraging one another in the love of Christ.

        Thanks for the discussion.

        I try to write in brevity but I can’t seem to get my points across without circling around the subject in trying to come at it from different perspectives and angles.

        And yes it helps. Thanks

      • Hi Sonny,

        We are telling the same revelation … just differently. It is a great example of how the Spirit of Truth reveals the same truth in different ways because it comes through our individuality.

      • Peace and Life sister

        I have seen yours and brother Sonny meritable response.

        I will pray fully consider what was written, and I hope in the sight of the LORD… when I share my deduction. It to will be of merit, for His glory.

        It will be an honor, to share this melody:

        Feet on the path
        hand on the rod
        moving steady
        moving towards
        God…

        Heart on the Truth
        Eye on the Tree
        Hey friend are you
        coming with me?

        We are coming close
        See it so near, step
        By step we are going
        To get there, there
        With the LORD
        There is where we
        Will stand, look friend
        Heaven is at hand!

        The Tree of Life melody: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9iu8UB-W9s

        P.S.

        I humbly recognize the wisdom, the LORD has given you sister… and I humbly accept the greater wisdom you have conveyed in many videos. I will always share in Peace and Honor.

      • Hi Jedi,

        Your gentleness is honorable, for we never know how the Spirit of Truth teaches another through their lives, experiences, and understandings. The true wisdom belongs to the Spirit of Truth, but by means of laying down what that is counter to his divine love, we are able to receive and hear little by little, layer upon layer. We all learn differently because of our individuality. Even in the Bible, you see one truth expressed a multitude of ways and in various depths. It is part of our Father’s design, for we are all his children yet all unique.

      • Peace and Life

        I’ve been watching some of the other videos on the stirringthedeep channel. And though I can resist temptation with the grace of God. I have to listen rather than view and listen, to the videos because the LORD has made you beautiful sister. And the fear of the LORD is in me.

        Respectably, I will like to share concerning what it is I would be sharing in the near future. With respect, I will share why I know the LORD Jesus Christ is the Creator God manifested in this space&time reality.

        As well… As how I know the the Day of the LORD will be an occurrence seen by all. I will like to share, that I firmly believe as well, that the Kingdom of God comes from within, in the sense of a spiritual maturing in Christ likeness… Which is the fruits of the Spirit, that is the most important aspect of this journey.
        I will always share the view that I hold, in Peace and Honor

        ~God bless~

      • This is just my view, please I will to know what you think about it.

        GOD and Jesus… I believe that GOD is the Father, as you do and Jesus is the Son as you do.
        This is my view though, that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one of the same nature. Jesus said The LORD is one LORD… I believe, just me that GOD being Infinite and Eternal… And as you know is love, needed to love some one in order to be love.

        I believe GOD being in the realm of Infinite sepearted Himself into three coeternal persons… Each distinct from each other yet same GOD.
        The proverbs 8:22-31 I know this to be referring to Jesus Christ, just my view.

        Please could I know if you think this makes sense… I to know the Kingdom of God comes from with in. This is my view, just mine… That this refers to His Holy Spirit crafting us into His Holy image.. From with in. For a Kingdom is marked by the Kings nature… and the heirs to the royal family of Heaven are to be crafted by the invisbile workmanship of His Holy Spirit to fit the Kingdom of God nature.

        This is my view, that the second advent will be from without… For All the holy angels, Jesus Christ and the Father glory will come from the east and go towards the west. It’s my BELIFE , JUST mine… That GOD (referring to the Godhead) will come where the whole world will see.

  6. 2Co 11:14
    And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

    Jhn 20:17
    Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

    1Pe 3:22
    Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

    Gen 6:2
    That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    You can feel the tender touch of the beast.
    You know . sometimes satan, comes as a man of peace.
    B. dylan

    You are on very dangerous ground Rachel.
    I worry for you.

    Wake up and flee satan before it is too late!!!

    He is sensual, but he is the opposite of love!

    • Hi Robert, One more thing I wanted to share with you, and others who may read this.

      Fear is created from the finite mind that is absent of divine love (God’s love). The perfect love of God dispels and drives out fear. The mind of God, (reflected in the mind of Christ), creates love. Lies create fear, truth creates love.

      When we give into or serve fear then we are serving and functioning from the finite mind of man. This is the mind we are to seek to put off and to put on the mind of truth and love (again reflected in the “mind of Christ”).

      When we say that we are serving God who is love, and yet are inducing fear, (like you are on dangerous ground, or you are of evil, etc.) then we are being double minded and being as a “false angel of light” because we are saying we are of God who is love and yet we are trying to control, influence, use or feed fear in some way in the name of God. So what you are projecting onto others, as you did with me, is actually what you are doing. It isn’t the peace and love that is the problem, for these are of God, but those who say peace and love is of God, but are using fear to obtain certain means in the name of God.

      A darkened mind, one that lacks truth and love, creates darkness, fear, and “evils”. This is one of our lessons to learn as we traverse through this “shadow” of death.

      The fear that you are reflecting in your words can be a deep trap for some people. If they don’t believe in this fear of what will happen to them or who is controlling them, then a fearful outcome will come upon them. Thus, they are trapped in this belief of a fear, that is actually a lie. It is a way to control and manipulate that has worked for centuries upon poor souls. It keeps people bound to a false image of who God is, because they are told if don’t believe in the fear induced image, then they will be lost to a horrible outcome. This isn’t of the true God, who truly is love. Thus in this belief, people are kept from knowing the true God who loves them deeply and truly, thus from knowing his love.

      The way out of this mind trap? Seek to know him in truth and spirit, which is also in love and beyond man-made images. As you come to truly know him and his love, you will see that all this fear-speak of isn’t of God but was created by the fear-induced finite mind of man.

      Thus speaking love while speaking fear .. this is the “false angel of light.”

      • Love and Honor Sister

        I will be honored in sharing my feelings and thought of you, expossing that darkness with the truth.

        “You whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, And called from its remotest parts And said to you, ‘You are My servant, I have chosen you and not rejected you. ‘Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, surely I will help you, Surely I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.'”Behold, all those who are angered at you will be shamed and dishonored; Those who contend with you will be as nothing and will perish.”- Isaiah 41:10

        Beloved of the LORD… The truth you shared, brings into resonance in me, a crucial reminder of the nature of God. That in Him there is only light.

        I want to express, that I believe now… That truly I was lead here by the Spirit because in seeing your individual walk with God. Something has stirred in me, and it is deep… I feel that, this feeling in me, can’t be express with earthly language. If it were to be express… I feel that it wont be of this world. O how I want to love as our Father loves and to be holy as He is Holy. That is all I want.

        I am honored by God, to have Him shown me, one of His master piece… which is you sister. Humbly I accept your greater wisdom, which God has shown unto you.

        “Many daughters have done nobly, But you excel them all.”Charm is deceitful and beauty is vain, But a woman who fears the LORD, she shall be praised. Give her the product of her hands, And let her works praise her in the gates.”-Proverbs 31

        “Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.” -Proverbs 31

        “She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.”-Proverbs 31

        “Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.”-Proverb 31

        ” But let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God’s sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. And you are her children, if you do good and do not fear anything that is frightening”- 1Peter 3

      • For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.

        Psa 55:19

        God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God.

        God shall bless us; and all the ends of the earth shall fear him Psa 67:7

        1Co 10:21

        Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils

        This demon, who you say some like to call Jesus.

        And he even calls himself god.

        2Th 2:4

        Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

        But he is a phoney. A liar and a murderer.

        He takes pleasure in your destruction, and in all he can deceive and destroy..

        But the word of God protects us from such enemies of mankind.
        We are not afraid of these pathetic demons who have already been judged.
        But Christians take upon themselves the same marks that Jesus Christ bore. And we suffer for the truths sake.
        For we have love for others, even though they reject it.

        And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.

        But Jesus does not lure us with sensuality, but the truth!!!

        their sensual desires overcome their dedication to Christ,1Ti 5:11

        1Ti 5:15

        Some have in fact already turned away to follow Satan.

  7. Cordell,

    You say,

    No human mind can comprehend God.

    The key words here are “No human mind”, so as we grow into our spiritual mind we see with spiritual eyes and comprehend with our spiritual understanding given by God.

    I believe to become like Christ and think like Christ, ( “Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus.” ) we must be obedient to the fullness of and in Christ Jesus. The mind of man which we call the carnal mind can not understand the ways of God, however, when we are given the mind of Christ we will be able to see as He sees. This is stated and explained to us with little need for revelation.

    It is as you say useless to enquire from an intellectual point of view for intellect is not necessary to obtain the things of God for His ways are freely given through being obedient to His will. Not all have the same calling so all will not be privilege to the same understanding. We are given according to how we are to be equipped to carry out our particular purpose. Worldly religion blinds because to be a member of the club one must sign on to believing that particular sects rules defined by “people” appointed by man over the masses. For one to understand God, one is not to have their head covered but uncovered as stated in the New Testament. This means if one is to run for the high calling in Christ Jesus there can be no one, or nothing between that person and God, not a “religion, nor another person. If ones calling is of a lesser order they are under a tutor, ( including the law) and the rules are not as strict.

    Many say we should not and cannot understand the deeper meanings recorded in scripture but my common sense tells me that the book is written to instruct. It has an all natural meaning for the 30 fold to understand, a 60 for those in the pentecosal stage of their life where they begin to leave the natural and begin to understand spiritual things. The 100 fold is a complete spiritual walk and one cannot walk here unless God opens the mind to understand things in a way that the 60 and 30 have not acquired nor have they been called. These are not positions as earthly positions but these callings are according to one’s ability to sacrifice carnal desires in order to understand the things of the spirit. So I agree that man cannot penetrate into the realm of the mind of God no matter how hard he tries, for God must invite or call one into this higher understanding. As I agree, the mental institutions are full of people who have been taught erroneously by religious people that have no business teaching. Some of these people have became mentally ill believing things erroneously taught from the religious realm.

    A true teacher can only deliver one from this prison house of the carnal mind, releasing them from bondage. A person who teaches and threatens a never ending punishment for example is responsible for sending one to this hell of a false believing mind. ( Heaven and hell being a condition, means one must serve one or the other) To be delivered from the mind of hell one must take on the mind of the spirit in heaven.

    There is much to be said about various subjects and we must be careful in wanting to “help” and be heard. Though Ellen G. White, as any other was a product of a specific religion which cut themselves off from other religions thereby making them a sectarian institution. When there are say 2000 denominations ( there are many more) these come to be denominations by separating themselves into divisions, parties and factions as we were instructed not to do as in Galations. Religion blinds and separates while the true church makes all things one. Ellen believed that the natural Saturday is the true sabbath over Sunday. While this is true as pertains to Old Testament law, we are no longer under the ritual of observing natural days, therefore the sabbath rest is not a day of the week anymore because it is a time of resting from our “works” where we abide in His sabbath day, meaning the light is a day of righteousness where we enter in to His rest and we come not out. As with all natural understandings there is a spiritual parelell.

    We should not cut ourselves short by saying we cannot understand something which may be a hard understanding for the flesh cannot, but we pray we may understand all things written as instruction for us in a spiritual way. We see from where we are and some of us scoff at what is just beyond our natural mind, and then once we reach the place of enlightenment we once scoffed at, we scoff again at what is just beyond our understanding. It is hard to grow this way. We should leave our hearts and minds open to give and be filled in the manner of God’s choosing. We should never say can’t because we don’t know the mind of God and what He will open to whom.

    Cordell, I share these things with you as food for thought. You speak as one desiring to learn and know the will of God. Although we may have a different perspective and understandings on some things, they do not compare to what makes us alike. These are the things which mend, heal and make us one.

    Please excuse my typos also.

    • Peace and Honor

      This is in response to the June 2 message by Sonny, I will respond to the rest of that message.. at a later time.

      “You say, No human mind can comprehend God.” – What has been quoted is said by Ellen G White, not by me.. And Ellen G. White is the messenger of God, before in my past post.. I said prophet, But she never called herself this.. She said her mission is more than a prophet… That she is the literal messenger of the LORD.. What she says doesn’t come from her but from GOD. Here is that statement:

      “I have no claims to make,” wrote Ellen G. White in 1906, “only that I am instructed that I am the Lord’s messenger; that He called me in my youth to be His messenger, to receive His word, and to give a clear and decided message in the name of the Lord Jesus.” —The Review and Herald, July 26, 1906.

      That which called forth this utterance and a further explanation of her call and work was a discussion over Mrs. White’s status—whether or not she was a prophet. She herself, before a large gathering at Battle Creek, had explained that her work embodied much more than that of a prophet, and at that time had stated, “I do not claim to be a prophetess.” In her discussion of her work she continues in the Review article:

      “Early in my youth I was asked several times, Are you a prophet? I have ever responded, I am the Lord’s messenger. I know that many have called me a prophet, but I have made no claim to this title. My Saviour declared me to be His messenger. “Your work,’ He instructed me, ‘is to bear My word. Strange things will arise, and in your youth I set you apart to bear the message to the erring ones, to carry the word before unbelievers, and with pen and voice to reprove from the Word actions that are not right. Exhort from the Word….

      “Be not afraid of man, for My shield shall protect you. It is not you that speaketh: it is the Lord that giveth the messages of warning and reproof. Never deviate from the truth under any circumstances. Give the light I shall give you. The messages for these last days shall be written in books, and shall stand immortalized, to testify against those who have once rejoiced in the light, but who have been led to give it up because of the seductive influences of evil.’

      “Why have I not claimed to be a prophet?—Because in these days many who boldly claim that they are prophets are a reproach to the cause of Christ and because my work includes much more than the word ‘prophet’ signifies.”—Ibid.

      II) The key words here are “No human mind”, so as we grow into our spiritual mind we see with spiritual eyes and comprehend with our spiritual understanding given by God.”- Respectably brother Sonny, I see the keywords for yourself, is no human mind… but the key phrase I know is ”The Omniscient One is above discussion.” Here is the full quote

      “The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children forever.” Deuteronomy 29:29. The revelation of Himself that God has given in His word is for our study. This we may seek to understand. But beyond this we are not to penetrate. The highest intellect may tax itself until it is wearied out in conjectures regarding the nature of God, but the effort will be fruitless. This problem has not been given us to solve. No human mind can comprehend God. None are to indulge in speculation regarding His nature. Here silence is eloquence. The Omniscient One is above discussion. Even the angels were not permitted to share the counsels between the Father and the Son when the plan of salvation was laid. And human beings are not to intrude into the secrets of the Most High. We are as ignorant of God as little children; but, as little children, we may love and obey Him.”- pg 429 The Ministry of Healing

      Respectably brother Sonny, Ellen G. White given the context isn’t referring the human mind, in being the deceptive knowledge, wisdom, and understanding of this world… but is referring to the human mind as our full mental capabilities even though significantly handicapped because of our fall. I agree when we put away the natural mind and hallow deceptive philopshy of the world, and walk in the Spirit of God… we gain true wisdom, the things of the Spirit of God.

      “For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God”’- Romans 8

      Just to put into view what it is brother Sonny said and Ellen G. White and the Bible say.

      Brother Sonny:
      Human Mind: The key words here are “No human mind”, so as we grow into our spiritual mind we see with spiritual eyes and comprehend with our spiritual understanding given by God. This isn’t the same definition Ellen G. White is using because brother Sonny… you are using the phase human mind as the Bible definition carnal mind… but Ellen G. White isn’t referring human mind to carnal mind, but to our very intellectual capacities. We can know that her use of that phase “no human mind” refers to our God given intellect though significantly handicapped because of our fall… is by what was said just before the phase and the Scripture given was used, which is now going to be quoted:

      “The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children forever.” Deuteronomy 29:29. The revelation of Himself that God has given in His word is for our study. This we may seek to understand. But beyond this we are not to penetrate. The highest intellect may tax itself until it is wearied out in conjectures regarding the nature of God, but the effort will be fruitless. This problem has not been given us to solve.”

      In other words the definition you used is not the one Ellen G. White is using. Scripture that supports this: “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” Isaiah 55 8-9

      Spiritual mind: “so as we grow into our spiritual mind we see with spiritual eyes and comprehend with our spiritual understanding given by God.”

      As is rightly stated, “understanding given by God.” And Miss White clearly pertains to that as well in this quote “The revelation of Himself that God has given in His word is for our study. This we may seek to understand. But beyond this we are not to penetrate.”
      I will like to add… Just as the Bible interprets itself, so to does Ellen G. White writings interprets itself… and her writings agree 100% with the scriptures because she is a messenger of the LORD. Ellen White said that the only book we really need is the Bible.

      ~GOD Bless~

      • Cordell,

        Thanks for the dialogue. I do not see the Human mind any different than the carnal mind. As there were only two chambers in the natural tabernacle and the outer court making it three aspects of the one human body, we must follow the type to understand the anti type. Eve, before her fall from grace had a oneness of a spiritual mind, after the fall she thought with her intellect, her reasoning self, her mind that had been separated and confined to the other side of the veil. It is not my intention nor my desire to debate perspective of a subject or who is or not a messenger, prophet to disciple of Christ. We all fall into one of these categories when called. People are people, whether saint or sinner and to try to place another in a certain position of esteem in our eyes as to their value in relation to ourselves or to God for that matter is dangerously close to creating an idol. Ellen White wrote many things I agree with and some I do not. I do not judge Ellen White or any other by the degree of rightness they may or may not have. She, as others had some truth and some error in her messages as I understand her views on some subjects.

        It does not make me any more or any less of who I am in Christ as to the state of mind of another for this is between them and God. God will deal with their obedience or lack thereof as He will all the rest of us. I do not compare myself with others as to degrees of who is better or who knows what better than another. I give and share from my perspective and what I believe God has opened my eyes to. It is there for the taking or the leaving as I know I am powerless to increase not only the stature of myself but also that of another.

        I respectfully disagree that White was 100% in accord with the scriptures. I disagree with many on their views of our journey and how and why we are on it but there is a higher purpose than being in agreement on the letter as being in agreement with God on our individual journey. What I mean is we all start our calling in the mindset and understanding from where we are called. If two thousand people start from two thousand different religions you have two thousand different views and points of origin. All failed positions as to truth but still it is a starting point to the truth they will all become one day. So, how do these two thousand serve God and the other nineteen hundred and ninety nine and be in the will of God? They either learn to respect all and love them inspite of their differences or they will take a “I am right and you are wrong” stance. A self righteousness.

        It is my view that it is not what we know compared to another, it is rather how we know them and God in the journey. If we put things in proper context, we care less for our differences and more about our likeness’ and the knowledge that “As in Adam all die so as in Christ all shall be made alive, but each man in his own order.” Knowing that all will come to the knowledge and grace of God and the corrective process is to be dispensed at the will of God toward and for all, we should not put so much emphasis on the differences we see, but in the likeness of the eventual outcome of all people. By understanding the terminal is in the middle of a 360 degree position to these “two thousand” religions all will come from their varying perspectives. Some are directly opposed to ones directly on the other side because they simply cannot see from where they are and vise versa. It is not necessary for us all to agree as one from these two thousand positions but we can agree to disagree as the saying goes. We can if we choose to be in harmony with one one another in how we see alike and not so much in what we see alike. It is simple respect for another’s view. It is a delicate thing to disagree with some and some it is not.

        Many well intentioned people with tremendous understanding of the letter of the law have also claimed this same position of “knowing it all”. I believe that the more one claims to be 100% right in all they say does not realize the difference between intellect, reasoning and operating in the Holy Spirit. We are not required to be 100% right in the letter of the law to be saved for salvation is a gift without qualifying for it. We were given salvation before we were born and before we had done anything right or wrong, it is our obedience through this life which decides our placement in His kingdom.

        I also believe that the bible is the only book we need, however whether we read the understandings of another in how they interpret the scriptures in their books and articles, these also are not the bible. I have read Some of White, as well as many others up through the ages and I have never read where any two agreed on all the subjects they wrote about. Many were from similar faiths yet differed in their views. We cannot base our or their maturity on how close we agree in the understanding of the law.

        I cannot state it any better than has been stated in the thirteenth chapter of first Corinthians where it solidly places the things we are discussing in proper order, perspective and most of all, priority.

        This is a chapter that ones should return to again and again on their journey through this life doe it will return a righteous seeking individual to a humble and proper order of things.

        We should learn to seek the higher calling in Christ Jesus which is far above how we see the “written law” because righteousness is how we see the “spiritual law”, which by the way cannot be written in pen and ink. It must come by communicating spirit to spirit and one must come to operate in this realm to really have any understanding of it. As we begin to see from this perspective and operate in this realm of understanding we see no evil.

        God is sovereign over all His creation as He created “all” things. I do not have any other understanding that there is no power than that of God. In Genesis it declares that after God created all there was to create that He said it was “all” good. Not some parts of it but all of it. I am familiar with the fallen angel concept as all other concepts of another usurping power from God. To be honest with you, we are all fallen angels, as was Adam and Eve for we follow the same path back to God.

        I would suggest for ones who want to give “satan” any credibility or a power apart from what God has given him to carefully read the book of Job very carefully and see where Satan took it upon himself to do any harm to Job. The “only” time Satan approached Job to test him was at God’s instruction. Each time Satan tested Job and returned to God and questioned God or suggested the test was not severe enough, it was God and not Satan who ordered the test. Satan has never operated outside the will of God, even in his rebellion, as in our rebellion toward God we are only allowed to go just so far and God says enough.

        When Satan had done the “will” of God in Job’s testing and Job was proved, God gave Job twice as much as he had before. Was not Satan instrumental in Job being giving a double portion? Job is not a book about some guy back in history, Job is a current book about you and I and the purpose in our testing. Yes, Satan test us also at the instruction of God and I believe our steps are ordered by the lord just as was Job’s or any other.

        Satan took nothing from God that God did not allow just as man is allowed to go just so far. A man such as Paul was even given power to turn a Corinthian over to Satan that this one may be disciplined and learn to obey God. Notice the parallel of what Satan’s role was? It was to correct, test and turn one back to God as was the Corinthian. People need to question their tradition and like you say read the bible in the context it is written in. But we must be given the mind of the spirit in order to read it from the perspective of the spirit. It is not that I am 100% correct in the letter as you claim White was but I know the spirit is greater than the letter of the law.

        I hope this gives you a little more insight of how I understand things and the perspective I have been given. I have came to see gradually that we look for and pursue our likeness’ in Christ aside from agreeing in knowledge and the law.

        I whole heartedly concur with the 13 th chapter of 1st Corinthians. In knowing that we will all come to this same understanding at some time in the future, I put little confidence in the flesh or it’s wisdom.

        There is nothing two cannot discuss when they have their priorities in order, however it is very rare occurrence. Even though you addressed my comment as being partially to you and also to others as well, I usually do not address another as to confront their different view on things but I tend to put my answers generally to all as they would not differ whether to one or all for they are “my” understandings. Now, of course, as any other, I amo 100% more in agreement with my own views and “opinions” than that of Ellen White’s or of your opinion that she is 100% in agreement with the scriptures where I evidently in your eyes am not, but should this be the benchmark of what makes us Christ disciples righteously seeking the truth?

        We walk in truth, we don’t and cannot read it on pages of paper written with pen and ink. The spirit is written on our hearts, there is quiet a difference.

      • I have shared that which was to be shared. My values doesn’t permit me to continue messaging… and a heads up, the idiom “food for thought”, could come across as condescending. You’re a man who likes to contemplate I believe,,. which I affirm.

        Peace and Honor

      • I would like to make something very clear here as pertaining to myself which I believe should and will apply to any other if they really want to “know” God in spirit and in truth; Although I study the law and by the goodness and grace of God I understand much, although not all, about the types, shadows and allegories and what they mean and “represent” spiritually…, it is that it has never been my desire nor is it my present desire and intent to know them in and of themselves. To me it is only knowledge, where to many others it is something of “bragging rights”.

        I look at knowledge only as a “tool” to come to God and to understand the spirit by the natural example of recorded knowledge and not an end in and of itself as do many. Many in their immaturity think they are saved according to what they know by the written law and whether they are right or wrong in their personal understanding of the scripture. This is why there is always those who want to argue and debate, ridicule and scoff at what another believes. These have it all wrong.

        I will speak for myself and how I believe one comes to understand God and His son in spirit and in truth; it is in desiring simply to be like the Father by the example the son laid out for us by example to follow. We gain knowledge of the bible by not seeking “it” but by seeking “Him”. There is much difference in intent in the heart of a person as proved by the allegory of the five wise and five foolish virgins. They both had the same knowledge, read from the same book, used the same words to “teach” however their “motives” were very different. One used the knowledge of the scriptures to further their own self and look good in the eyes of another to promote an evil agenda without any understanding of what the scriptures were really about or their intended use.

        These foolish virgins built their own kingdom using what belonged to another thinking they did God a service by expounding their version of the scriptures and using it to promote a fleshly religion. These valued the law above it’s true purpose. Inversely, the five wise virgins sought God through the spirit God could give to them directly for they understood truth must come by the indwelling of the spirit and not by defending their interpretation of the letter of the law. There is a remarkable difference in the intent and desire of each of these virgins. Note both are “virgins” who have devoted themselves and pledged themselves to God, however it is the “way” in which they have pledged themselves which made them either acceptable to God or rejected by God.

        Another thing to keep in mind here is that the foolish were and are not lost, they were only rejected from the high calling in Christ Jesus because they tried to “climb up some other way”. When we have been given a desire to seek God, we are either approved or rejected according to “how” we seek God. Let us not be so foolish also by thinking that it is what we “know” by knowledge that is the key to the kingdom but “how” we “know” God “using” only the knowledge of the scriptures as a guide.

        By having a proper vision on what we should seek, we move toward the goal without any pomp and pride and a desire to be “better than” or know “more than.” While it says “without a vision my people perish” it is important as the five wise to know exactly what the vision is to be to move toward it.

        What we give and share can only be given in order to increase the love of God in another, else it is a hopeless and foolish endeavor.

        I hope this helps in putting into perspective what and how I see things should there be a continuing dialogue.

  8. In my last comment, third paragraph from bottom it should read as it suggest “encouraging” …..I think there is enough “outraging” going on and I just as soon leave that alone….:-)

  9. It couldnt have been Jesus, you entered into Rachel.

    Do you remember how Paul was blinded so?

    In fact the scriptures are clear…

    1 Timothy 6:16

    Who only (alone) hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

    Prayers for you

    • Robert,

      You are absolutely right for this scripture means just what it says, in the context it is saying it in. At the time of Christ’s resurrection He was the only one who had been ressurected to the new creation life, to have gained this condition of immortality at that time. “No man” when also understood that it is talking of the carnal man as in so many places of the scripture. This man as in “our fallen” condition cannot see God with the “natural eye” because He is spiritually discerned. It is talking about the condition of the unregenerate man not being able to see God, because God is “spiritually” seen with the spiritual eye. It the book speaks much about seeing God and being like Him in “all” the ways of the “spirit”.

      So while we are in the first stages of our journey as you are speaking from now, no man can see God but once your eyes are opens to the spiritual realm you will see God as He is.

      Robert the bible is written in 3 levels of understanding, natural, symbolic, and spiritual. A person just starting out I n the Lord reads the bible and it is a fearful thing reading it with the natural mind, seeing fire as a thing of torment but when seen from a spiritual perspective we see God as that consuming fire that will consume out of us this carnal mind so that we can see Him in the spirit and walk with Him in spirit and in truth.

      We will not grow into the love and spirit of Christ until we learn to love and be respectful to God by doing unto the least of these as we would do unto Him. When we seek love, the letter and knowledge of the word is revealed to us in truth because we seek the truth and not merely the knowledge about things. The verse ” First seek the kingdom of heaven and all these things will be added unto you”‘ include this very thought. It has worked for me, as I put you and yours over what you “know” or don’t know. It is out of our own fear, that we are going to be mislead, that we cling to a specific knowledge or religion. When we give up this false conception of, it is that which we know that makes us righteous, for the truth that it is in Christ love we are found righteous, we give up judging and finding fault. Finding fault and love in our life both have their proper place. We should look within ourself and “acknowledge our sin” as says the scripture and the sin will be taken from us, conversely we should be lienent with others for we are not their judge. When we are matured in the spiritual level of life and have removed the beam in our own eye, we with grace and kindness “try” to help remove the splinter in another’s sight. Then we can enjoy life together, the one who needs help and the one who helped. If this love is given in a way that another can accept it without feeling condemned and ridiculed these two will be and further become one in Christ. One who attempts to use the word as a natural sword to cut and maim will miss a great opportunity to gain a friend.

      There is a place for sterner warning and one must be equipped with a spiritual sword which when used correctly will divide the truth of God from the carnal letter of the law. Fear of being wrong causes one to be wrong, while having a true love for your fellow man causes one to love in spite of the fault found in themselves as well as in others. Let us pray for the spirit to remove the beam of natural understanding in our own so that when this happens we see life as it is intended, and then we with wisdom, love and understanding flick the splinter from another with no demeaning thought for now we do it so that we may see together.

      When we are “instructed” to ” Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus”, it is by entering in to His character, likeness and image that we do so. But your right no man, with the carnal mind of man will “never ” enter in because he is still in his blindness.

      The wonderful message is, each in his calling will receive sight doe that which they are called and every knee will bow to the will of God. God’s will is for all to come to Him in spirit and in truth. With patience we wait for our change…for it will come.

      • You are a liar and the enemy of Rachel.
        A champion of demons, who assists in their deception.

        And like all demons you disunul the word of life in order that you may promote death.

        Your deception is always the same.

        God’s word does not really mean what he says.

        Just like the serpent in the garden.

        When will you stop your lies?

        For sure you will cease when Christ returns with all his holy angels.
        Woe unto you on that day!

        You are a lover of death and of demons.
        A hater of God and of Christ.

        You are a sick sick offspring of the serpent.

      • You are a traitor to Jesus Christ, in pursuit of your own passions.

        It would have been better for than man , if he had never been born.

        A slithering serpent, who wallows in filth and dirty lies

        You are an abomination. Disgusting ! ! !

  10. Robert, rightwillrule, anonymous,…

    Where is your Christ likeness, where is the fruit of your lips? The tongue reveals of what sort a person is, in maturity. The tongue is not to be tamed by one’s own thoughts and efforts. As we “lash” out at others with a hateful attitude do you guys think you represent Christ? Your speech is not the speech of one who has an understanding of anything spiritual. Your speech does not come from the spirit of Christ and if it does not come from Christ there is only one other place it can have it’s root.

    The spirits who attacked Jesus were religious spirits, full of wickedness, yet these religious ones thought they did God a service by quoting their bible and finding fault with all that Christ apparently stood for… in actuality. These evil ones attached good thoughts, “good deeds”, and self congratulations to all they said and done…for they were “righteous”, yet it was only in their own eyes. They were so righteous that they worked themselves into a “righteous” indignation and killed the truth…which is Christ. The human tongue is the weapon of choice to kill and to maim and destroy that which God builds. But….there is a bright side to even this for the cream and butter can only rise to the top by much “churning” of the “milk”. God will send the churners on the left hand to churn the spirits of another to see and prove of what sort it is, so we witness even the good purpose in evil manners by some.

    You guys with “your” word of righteousness ought to take a step back, turn from the apparent religion which gives you this false hope, and turn to God and He will allow you access to Him through the spirit of His Son. This understanding will not come through a natural understanding that there is a Christ, but with an understanding that will allow you to see the true return of Christ that so many in the religious world say they are waiting to see. These who say they wait to see Christ come “again” in the “clouds” as you guys witness to wanting to see, will miss this coming.

    One’s who expect a natural appearing will never see this one come again by natural observation, because the scriptures reveal just this. Clouds represented in this situation and context are God’s people and Christ will come in and with His clouds. Since He will come in these clouds in spirit and in truth, a natural man with a natiral eye will not see the kingdom of God appearing for it is to be spiritually discerned. God will come in His spiritual temple, not made with the hands of earthly temples. It is apparent that not one of you guys, at this point in your life, have had your spiritual eyes opened for your tongue reveals a nature that is one of a scoffer, one who calls good evil and evil good.

    Your replys do not reveal one’s seeking the nature of Christ, because your words reveal a nature of what your accusing another to be. Where are your words of respectful disagreement? Where is your peace offering? Some of you come on here wanting to defend a “damsel in distress” or want to come to the rescue and save another. I would suggest that you save yourself first and remove the beam in your own eye. If you get offended by hearing some strait forward talk, you should, for what you guys are doing is abominable to God. Yet you think you do God a service.

    We all have a spirit and soul, the male part of us and the female part of us. Many on the natural level understand that it is not permitted for the woman to speak in church but should defer to her husband. This means in spiritual understanding the weaker consciousness or the weaker woman or wife “in us” should not speak. (It is the woman in the garden that fell and not the male) Therefore it is the woman or the “undeveloped” soul in all people that should remain quiet in church or anywhere else. “She” should be submissive to her husband the spirit and let him do the talking “in us”.

    Wherever the spirt and soul is mentioned in the scriptures and the woman is mentioned in a certain positional perspective, it is not talking about a natural woman when we understand the bible is a spiritual book. Our “soul” should remain quiet in church, and let our spirit speak.

    Ones who do not see that we are all alike in Christ having the spiritual masculine and feminine natures within will continue to operate in the natural, in fear, defending the natural marriage while rejecting the true marriage, and reacting and being driven by natural jealousies which prevent the true spirits and souls to become one.

    The scriptures say there is neither male nor male in the kingdom of heaven. Since heaven is a spiritual condition of the mind and heart and we all, whether male or female in gender, are spirt and soul (male and female) and so therefore we should speak from the male perspective in us. When the soul matures where she only speaks with the permission from her husband, the spirit, she then can be heard for she is no longer separate in nature but she has now learned to speak as one with her husband, the spirit.

    Where Eve lost her oneness with and “within” Adam, she, the soul in us, will once again be reunited to her husband…and at this point there will be no male nor female in heaven. We will speak in a oneness with the spirit and no longer spirit and soul…for they have become one.

    So, when we converse with another, we do not in spirit address one in natural terms but in spiritual terms. It may be one sided but the ones who answer in spirit and in truth will understand while others will scoff at the spiritual. Does not the scriptures tell us no less, that the spirit of man will always persecute the person who walks spiritually?

    Speak to all as you are speaking to the oneness in others and do not look at natural gender in respect to the choice of the words you choose to use in addressing them, for there is neither male nor female in the kingdom of heaven. We are in our spiritual kingdom when we realize where it is spiritually. Those who are waiting for a natural kingdom to appear will not realize it should be appearing within the true temple within.

    It is problematic for some to communicate with some others who still operate in the natural realm of fear, reacting to natural jealousies, gender biased perspectives, and therefore live their life by natural emotions. It is especially difficult in a natural marriage where one’s spiritual walk is hampered by the rules of the flesh. Yet, God teaches, even in these confines of the natural. It is a hard thing to move on beyond being influenced by friends, relatives, children or spouses. It is that willingness to sacrifice all influences, that we enter in whether we actually have to give up these thongs or not. Remember Abraham and the required sacrifice of his son that he was tested to go through with. It was Abrahams willingness to obey that was being tested, God did not intend for Abraham to give up the son he so dearly loved, God just wanted Abraham to prove to his own self where his priorities lay.

    Let us all desire a better understanding of the scriptures and this better way will develop a fruit to be desired.

    It is not the desire of this writer to play church and give and receive niceties as children playing. It is and has been my intent to address situations as they are presented, with no intent to tear down but to build. Many speak to the gender in another inappropriately, as we witness for example on this blog. We must learn to speak with a sameness of seeing one in a spiritual gender and to all equally, and when one’s understanding is still in the natural, we should honor this without offense when it is given. It just goes with growing up into the spiritual man.

    It’s just a matter of perspective.

  11. You know nothing of Jesus Christ.
    You are in bed with demons and lies.
    And those that speak the truth and try to deliver those under satans power you fight against.

    You and your father are the same.

    Liars deceivers murderers.

    Though evil is sweet in his mouth and he hides it under his tongue

    You sick bastard!

    Leave this girl alone!

    I speak to you (demon) and the rest of your foul army.

    • So Rachel is trying to be rescued by your friend Anonymous and I am leading her astray? We can only be led astray by our own undeveloped soul. Yes we can listen to man and believe what another person has to say but it is wise for us to search the scriptures and ask God Himself for guidance. I do not speak for others unless we already agree and are one in thought and spirit so I do know Rachel well enough to know that she needs no help speaking for herself.

      Do you think because she is a female she is to be less to be respected and therefore need guidance from another just because they are male? You neither understand the scriptures nor her.

      • Sonny.. Rachel, it is better not to read their comments. They are seducers (To lead astray). They are false… but we can pray for them. Even though they are disparaging, false, belittling, critical, manipulative, lustful, not doers of the Word, for their is only one Teacher, one Leader and one Father and that is the Christ. We can pray for them.

        Jesus Christ who is equal to GOD, died for mankind… when some one dies for another, who life is more valuable. The one died for…I know this nothing new for you Sonny. But I want to bring some thing to point here… these people speak evil communication. But we can pray for them… light cannot mingle with darkness. But we can pray for them… the only way to have a healthy relationship with God is to have a bad one with the devil.

        God is a good God. They are people who died, and people were happy they died. When Hitler died and people were cheerful… What did God do, God cried. When dictators of Cuba died and people were happy.. God cried. When Sterling and abusive men, rapes died.. and people cheered. God cried.

        ‘”As I live!’ declares the Lord GOD, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die,”- Ezekiel 33:11

        “Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord GOD, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?” Ezekiel 18:23

        What kind of people drive an Infinite God to the point in which we are at. God has given all He can in one Man.. Infinite in one Man Jesus Christ for salvation. God has done every thing He can for us so we may have salvation. And when we obey God, He also gives us the power to obey Him… when God says flee fornication, we just must stop.

        “And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes”

        God did everything To bear good grapes… yet still people brought forth evil! God did everything He could.. and Our God isn’t some God to push around… He is coming to destroy the wicked, those wild grapes.

        “Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.”- James1

  12. Sounds like anon went out and got some recruits. Where is it taught in the bible to speak and talk as you three do? Is it from learning grace or is it from just letting your natural emotions control and guide you? To simply believe is not enough. Devils believe in God and Christ so is it our believing which makes us one with God or is it taking on His likeness and character which is a loving spirit intending well for all? Just believing there is a God while not seeking His good and kind ways will never lead to an escape from ourselves and the carnal spirit which we are born with. It takes discipline to control ones natural unruly tongue and this discipline must come from the lord. The scriptures tell us no man can tame his tongue and you three prove God’s lesson.

    We must learn to be patient with those of little understanding for they really do not understand they are not doing unto the least of these as they would have done unto themselves. If what you three brothers are putting forth is how you want to be treated then we really would be in trouble with God. Can you imagine all the hateful rhetoric if one answered you in like concern that would escaltate downward into a cesspool of darkness? You speak like you do because you have not learned to leave behind your own with med ways and then to God and learn His ways.

    You guys can believe what you want that empowers you to talk as you do but it is not of God. Does it not say to be kind to those who speak all manner of evil against you, to bless those who curse you and pray for the those who despitefully use you? We can only do this if God has come into our hearts to rule our mind, hearts and tongues. Please go back and read about the kindness we are to seek…and be.

    • Hi Sonny, Your words reflect the condition of your heart, as their words reflect theirs. I appreciate your honorable kindness, truly it is shining brightly.

      • Peace and Life

        I know not to even look, at the comments of these people because I know it is fill with evils.
        But that doesn’t mean I won’t pray for them. For it is written, that the LORD wish that no man perish, but all have everlasting life. I don’t have the ability to convict hearts or stop men who love darkness… But by the grace of GOD I can pray for them, that Heaven does all In its power… To convert them to Christ.

      • Me personally, I know that my prayers, may be the only thing… they have, that GOD may work in thier life. I know, it is not advisable to look, nor read negative, insulting, abusive, conjourling statements because it is evil. But by GOD grace, the prayers I offer in Christ… May as well be the only thing, they have. So that the powers of Heaven work in their life… For GOD wish no man to perish, but all to have everlasting life.

        Respectably I want to share… Won’t surprise me if you sister Rachel, already know this. But it took all GOD had to give us a salvation from sin. Sin is such a massive problem that it took everything GOD had to give a salvation from it. It took Infinite for Jesus Christ is equal to the Father, her He took on a humble role a servant role to the Father… It took all GOD had, it shows that GOD loves you, me, anonymous, Sonny, Michael, Arthur… As much as He loves Jesus Christ… And the proof for that is on Calvary.

        We sinners exossted all the power of Heaven. The word Infinite means never ending. Eternal… It took all of it, it took Infinite. To give salvation from sin. Wow!

        By our words we are justifed and by out words we are condemned.
        God doesn’t care how smart a person is, or now much earthly things they have. Or In India with the untouchable class… Only two things, are we good or wicked. Do we obey Him or not Obey Him. That is all He cares about.

        With respect, I wanted to add this and share this to my previous post. This is some thing I Knew, but for the first time… Able to express.

        Line of Distinction: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lkkzWXZnzTc

  13. Now it will register correctly.

  14. No one can help you Rachel.
    You are like the women before the flood who fell in love with demons.
    And this one who tells you he is Jesus! Wow!

    But that is impossible. But with demons all things are lies.
    Your groupies or handlers promise you to be the princess of your own new religion, and then you will have all the love you so lack.

    The end result of your life will be tragic.

    But I guess you have come this far and you love the darkness rather than the light.
    All soldiers of Christ fight against the demons who are your enemy and the enemy of all mankind. But you people invite them in, for the (power?) they promise you? What fools you are!

    You work your entire life to deceive and o kill.
    And God has seen you and found you out.
    You love darkness rather than light and death rather than life.
    All that hate me do love death.

    And the devil that deceives them was cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet already are and will be tormented forever and ever

    All who love YHWH and his son, pray for that day, and rejoice in the destruction of the murderer and liar king.

    Amen and Amen

    Why you cling to you lying philosophy about love , which is the direct opposite.

    Good riddance to all you demons .
    The whole creation will rejoice AT YOUR DESTRUCTION!

    • @ Robert: Just curious…why do you think this is a “lying” philosophy about love? Rachel seems to know enough about about the love of God to write hundreds of blogs on the topic. Can you point out what she is lying about?

      You seem to claim you are “right” and you want to destroy all those who aren’t your kind of “right”. Do you really want to destroy those who are different than you? Do you believe a perfectly loving God will rejoice at their destruction?

      Just to be clear – is this your philosophy of love?

      • Peace and Life

        Respectable I will share, that even the devil has their pawns in the churches.
        The devil masked as an angel of light, no wonder his servants do the same. Right now many ministers are supporting, LGBT movement… And the Sunday law, they back the Vatican. Who is that harlot in the Revelations…

        There is a gospel for this generation, just as there is a gospel during the time of Elijah and John the Baptist…
        Respectably I share the gospel for this generation, the 3 angel messages

        Fear God and Give Him the glory… For the hour of His judgment has come. Worship Him who made the Heaven, earth and seas and the streams. Babylon has fallen, Babylon the great has fallen… Come out of her my people.

        All those that worship the beast, and its image, and receive its mark… They too will drink, of the wine of God fury.

        God bless

    • Hi Robert, I don’t respond, because you don’t appear to hear anything but your preconceived judgments. So, I ask you to not comment on my blog unless you can do so with a sincere respect.

  15. Cordell…and all

    It is good to “a point” to listen to any, and have hope they will listen to good council but there is a time to shake the dust from our feet and move on. People with bad spirits have a lot of anguish to go through in order to learn civility. We can only pray that God is merciful and kind to these unenlighened ones. I have no wish for such ones to suffer needlessly. By their words they reveal they suffer already in the torment of their present mind. We reveal who we are and who we worship by our speech. When we go to the scriptures for examples of how to conduct oneselves, it gives clear instruction. Where did Christ speak with such disparaging comments. The woman at the well, was a whore, and adulterer, yet Christ looked past her faults and was kind to her. Christ came to save us from sins. In order to speak, understand and know correctly we must understand God’s plan for all of mankind. If we believe God to be cruel, punishing and demeaning, we will be likewise. If we believe some will burn in a literal hell, some are most happy to wish them there. Some believe that since God hates sin, He hates the sinner and they are most happy to be a disciple of this hate and torture.

    When our eyes are opened to who God actually is, we learn that sin was introduced into us “apart” from the spirit. We were and are spirit, given a soul and placed in a body. This was all designed by God through Christ for our good. “All” things were created for good. God never said in Genesis after Him creating His planned exclaimed anything but that it was “good”.

    Please understand where the perspective of things were created with an evil bent to them. It was when “Eve” was created that the first mention of “good and evil” was made as being distinctive. This is easy to be understood when given a spiritual understanding of these allegorical stories but the carnality mind just can’t understand. I hope I can make this as clear as possible in the simple language.

    The only thing that can call God’s plan evil, or “good and evil” is a blinded fallen soul to the truth which Eve, the woman, represents in the allegory in the garden of Eden. We must first understand our composition and how we are made to understand the differences in spirit, soul and body and which is influenced by what and whom. The Spirit man Adam could not sin and did not sin…until…God Himself through His son, caused a sleep to fall upon Adam and God “took out” of Adam his oneness of spirit and divided him into two, spirit and soul. God placed a veil between spirit and the newly formed soul, it was a mind of flesh, we call the carnal man.

    God did all of this through His son, “and His “council”. All consented that it was good, this is implied by when the morning stars sand together. It was before the earth being created. All that we know, see, and understand was preordained and planned just as it happened and is happening.

    When we understand what God meant when He said His plan was “good” and not “good and evil” we start to see good in “all” things just as He purposes and planned. It would take a lot of space and time to follow through the steps of creation and only the good intended in creating evil so if I could just give a little food for thought in placing one in the direction in seeing “only” good in God’s plan as God Himself confirms.

    When we understand the purpose of giving one a soul that is “permitted” to sin for a determined amount of time, ( man’ s alloted time on earth) we “see” and agree with God that it is good. We understand that the spirit in the temple behind the veil where God dwelt, no sin was allowed for the spirit of God does not and cannot sin. But the place of the soul could sin, in the holy place for this is where sin is death with. Study the type of the tabernacle in the Old Testament. It is nothing but a full explanation of the true temple which we are. It was divided into three compartments just like the true temple is, which is in us, for we are the true temple.

    The spirit does not and cannot sin where God dwells within us, this is His throne room…but we have a soul which like Eve, (our soul) disobeyed God and called her disciplinary process erroneously an evil thing.

    So…when we speak from our soul, although “she” is part of the spirit for she came from Adam, we speak from a place that is not full of light. She, our soul will regain, her vision when she, through obedience “obeys” herself back to the spirit from which she was taken. Adam and Eve, is an allegory of our separation also, our body also being formed from the dust of the ground and then our spirit being put into a deep sleep and given a wife as Adam, our soul.

    So…do we speak from the maturity of the spirit or from the darkness of our soul? The level of maturity our soul has developed is the level of matuity we speak from. This is because our spirit within us, through Christ is trying to be reunited with his soul and once the spirit and soul become one (as they once were) they will speak as one in Christ.

    Until this happens our soul speaks from blindness and confusion for she, until the time of her reuniting ( regeneration, resurrection) will speak from another influence besides that of the spririt of God. Until she, our soul, can mature, grow and speak from the influence of the higher spirit, she can only speak from where she fell to as she was drawn to the mind of the serpent, the carnal mind.

    We must be able to see a walk within in all the allegories and once we do we will see good in all things. Further more we will understand the purpose and meaning of Isaiah 45:7 where God makes it clear He creates evil with purpose. A disciplinary purpose.

    When we see ones lashing out without restraint, respect, or any semblance of love we understand they have not began to understand any of the above for these things are spiritually discerned. These, as Eve, listen to the serpent nature within themselves and since they reject the love of the spirit also within themselves they follow as Eve, the voice of the forked tongue of the lowest form of nature…within. The forked tongue of the serpent represents our soul not being able to distinguish between right and wrong behavior.

    We can speak with oneness when we see God as the author of only a good plan but as long as we see the plan as “good and evil, as Eve did ( and does) we will walk through life speaking from the voice of the serpent because our soul rejects God.

    When “she” comes to her senses and turns from following the voice of the fleshly serpent and turns to that of the spirit from where she originated from ( in Adam) she will steadily “see” and “regain” her singleness of her being.

    So, yes we tolerate and pray for these ones who speak from their father the devil, until God also blesses them with His light and love of others and they also turn to the spirit from which they also came.

    Peace

    • Hi, Just a thought in response to the comments here… None of us are righteous or good … and the most cunning of mind-sets we can have is thinking that we are, or that our “good” intentions produce good results apart from the complete governance of our Father, which is being governing by the divine consciousness (this was Eve’s deception). I think we are here to learn that from a self-determined consciousness, nothing good can come because it is “separate” from our Father’s complete sovereignty. So, if we are judging ourselves righteous and another not, we still haven’t learned the fullness of this lesson. There is only one true righteousness, God’s. Until we are one in him and him in us, we can’t produce a true goodness. Though in God’s perfect goodness, he is using all our mishaps and error for our good, which we will one day see the perfection of. “Good” only comes from our words or actions at the mercy of God while we are in this separate consciousness, but it isn’t of our own creation. So, we reside in our faith in the perfect love of God that one day when this sleep-state has come to an end, we will have his righteousness flowing through us.

      • Rachel,

        This is so true. When we try to “prove” any righteousness we may think we have to another, I believe we err. We may put forth a point in knowledge we may even know is an absolute fact but….it is not truth in reality because facts are not truth.

        Christ is truth, as is His Father…so to possess truth, it is far from possessing facts “about” the truth. To speak with another, we must really have an understanding who we are speaking to and where they’re at in their journey.

        I also think we err as you suggest by not understanding we are all being brought from one point to another. From the natural to the spiritual. The great misunderstanding by “man” apart from God is that man does not realize is that all we can really do is share our experience to what maturity level God has developed us to.

        The substance and nature one may achieve is truly only known to God and His spirit. If God has been so kind and we have been so obedient we will see as He sees and do as He does…however all this will be with an attitude of benevolence toward others, regardless of their condition. We may simply have to ignore ones who have little understanding, we may introduce thoughts to these and if not accepted, we at the least, are not guilty of disregarding ones of ill will. We give opportunity, and when it is rejected or met with the lower nature of the beast, we move on.

        We are God’s workmanship and He will accomplish His plan. There is a fine line of when we hinder and when we are His instrument of furthering His goals for us. I believe David is a good example of all of us who seek after God with a forward looking intent to love and obey Him. David’s mistakes, sins and errors of doing and saying are recorded for our benefit. Here is a man that is an adulterer and murderer and made many mistakes in disobeying God. Yet God had His hand in the progression and maturing of David. David committed many sins that many in our relationships today would send one such as David to “hell” immediately, but this is not the way of God.

        God is aware of all our sinful nature, He knows it better than any for He created evil for a purpose and for those who have eyes to see will see the good in “all” things.

        We should see the good God has accomplished and is accomplishing in others and be thankful for it without having a condemning and demeaning attitude toward them. Thus we build up. It is futile (as you know) to push an idea where there is no receptor to receive.

        We all will come to the place where we will see past our good intentions as well as those good intentions of others and back up and let God finish us as He wills. Patience is a virtue, and it is good to “wait” and let God do the work as much as we would like to help. What God requires of one He does not require of another and in this there is also confusion and misdirection of intent. What was for Paul to speak to one of his peers was not for ones outside. If he had spoke the same admonishment to one as to another outside the high calling in the example of Peter, Paul would have erred.

        “All”…we do and say should only be said for the furtherance of that one Into the realm of God’s love. Any other reason is selfish and draws attention to ourselves which is also in error.

        As you say, and as given by God in the example of Eve, our self determined will is the number one enemy of His righteousness. For creation to walk in harmony, we must all have one rule, one direction and one will and it must be the will of our mutual Father. We were given a nature, for a time, that would be against the will of God, for a time to learn our self determine ways are not His ways. Once we have accomplished this exercise of self will we will see that to learn and obey the will of the sovereign God, our Father is the only way this universe can function with billions and trillions of created entities dealing and coexisting with one another.

        The purpose of evil is to be exercised in it so that we can then have life and have it more abundantly in all of the freedoms and gifts we are given to enjoy…with one another. This short journey on earth when looked at in the context in which God intended in the beginning will reveal God all, and in all…someday. We with anticipation and patience wait for our deliverance. What a wonderful Father..and His son, our brother to have accomplished and finished an atmosphere where no evil exist. Even evil when administered by the loving hand of God accomplishes only the best..for God has no other intent.

      • Peace and Life

        Respectably, I will like to share, that I feel that when it came to the tree of good and evil. That was the easiest test of loyalty… GOD could have given.
        I wontnbe surprise if an angel asked the LORE, could we give them a more easy test… And the LORD, no this is the easiest.

        Genesis to the Revelations
        Eden to Eden restored… And in between sin and the gospel.

        I believe I underestimated to dangers of sin, because mankind has different penalties for civil sin… But GOD only has one responds to sin, death… because sin is so dangers.

        Ellen G White was given glimpses of the new earth and new Heaven, when she was in vision by the HOLY GOD… And she said this world is like a dark glome comaperd to what she saw.

        I want salvation, not just for my self… those womanizers, drunkards… Indifferent smokers, just down the street. But it is going to be like the days of Noah.

        God bless.

    • Peace and Honor Sonny

      Respectably, I will like to share what I know Isaiah 45:7 reference too. What I share could as well, be the same thing that was shared in your post… Though i hope my description is different enough, to worenth this post. This post is just to make the word evil which is used in KJV clear.

      “The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these.”- Isaiah 45:7NKJV

      “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”- Isaiah 45:7 KJV

      I want to post this, in case people who come across might misunderstand. That GOD doesn’t create evil… Because if He made evil that means He would have also made the father of evil. All things GOD make is good even His judgements are just.
      The LORD made holy angels and a holy Adam and Eve… But when Lucifer decided to focus his love on himself rather than GOD…. he became prideful and decived 1/3 of the heavenly host. Eve when satan lied to Eve by mixing truth with error… Eve dauthed GOD and payed heed to the devil words… And Adam ate the fruit because he put his love for his wife above GOD. Before they sinned they were All holy… but God gave everyone free choice. Either obey Me or not Obey Me. After All in order to give love it must be chosen too.

      In Isaiah 45:7 evil in KJV is of course referring to GOD judgments, not that they are evil because in GOD there is only light

      “This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.”- 1 John 1:5

      It is people,I believe only unconverted people who will see God’s judgments as evil… In truth it is Just. I will share Persistent sin is an invitation to GOD, to destroy. Fascinating… People persistent sin, is an invitation to GOD, destroy me.

      I hope this post sheds light in the use evil in the KJV.

      ~God bless~

      • “Jedi”

        You speak as though there is another God which has power over the God. God created “all” things whether they be higher powers or lower powers, whether they be Angels above or angles below. You allude to the fact that God did not created evil because He is only good. Look at it in the light that “all” of God’s plan which includes good and evil is “good”. Punishment is noted by some as an evil thing but it is the “correction” of this punishment which brings about the good in a person. When it says a man’s evil ways will correct him it is saying by being exposed to evil a man will learn to turn from his evil ways and seek righteousness. Evil has it’s good purpose but we must have a single eye to see God’s plan as having one cause and that is to bring all to the good of God. A child when being raised thinks all manner of evil is being used against it because of it wanting to go it’s own way, however the father has a better plan for his child. Again, look at Job, all the evil that came His way was at the direction of God…for Job’s good end. Again we must learn to put all things in perspective and this includes evil.

        Before we get into deeper and heavier discussions I would like to make a few statements of how conversations and dialogue are to be conducted.

        We are asked to test the spirits of others to see if they are of God or of this world and this testing has to do with believing “in” Christ. Just because a person believes there is a Christ does not mean they believe “in” Christ. This is because we must understand and “participate” in the “way” of Christ. One way to test the spirits to see if they are of God or of this world is to simply “disagree” with a doctrinal issue or the way another views something and see how they respond. There is nothing that will make more clear where a person is “in Christ” than to disagree with them on an issue. How they respond and what they say to you in return will make plain how to proceed with this other in what you can discuss with them and where they truly place their priorities, whether in their doctrinal views or “in” Christ. Being truly in Christ will smooth the sailing on the seas for troubled waters come from troubled souls. The seas are unstable souls, sometimes calm, sometimes raging, whereas the land that is above the sea on dry land is “more” stable and closer to the “heavens” above. We must have the troubled waters of our soul calmed by the word (spirit from above the earth realm) in order to sail above the waters. When we lose our way and shipwreck we often times end up in the waters of instability and must be saved from our own troubled soul and therefore brought to stable ground. We must rest and learn not to set sail upon these troubled seas until “our” waters are charted and we learn how to navigate through these seas of human instability in and by others. We can only be of help when we have all the proper rigging to set sail upon the masses of humanity. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the lord because when we do much more is required that just giving endless opinions with no depth of understanding of why we say what we do and for what purpose. Is it to heal and make all one or is to divide by factions, parties, and divisions of “religion” or by another name, sects of separation.

        To say that another usurped power away from God makes God less than sovereign in all that He created. God is all powerful and there is no one that has taken one jot or tittle from God’s plan and changed it. Can we imagine worshipping a God who has allowed another to change His course and purpose in creation? If it is as some suppose that even though another wrested power away from God, God has the ability to see into the future and see that He will finally overcome and wrest this power again, He lost to another by what is recorded in Revelation. The God I believe in never lost anything to anyone. If He had power to thwart the “fallen” angels in Recelations, He had power in the beginning to do the same. My God is without equal meaning He is absolute and His plan was predetermined to happen just as it is happening without deviation. We err in not believing that God is all powerful and all loving. The human, carnal mind is the only mind that can see God in weakness. We must give up traditional teachings and understand what the purpose of evil is instead of trying to make God not responsible for what He Himself takes full responsibility for. Isaiah 45:7 is only one scripture which explains where evil comes from. When we understand the true purpose for evil, we see even it is included in the statement God made in Genesis, in that after He created His plan including the good and the evil, He called it all “good” and Imagree with God.

        God created the plan for Adam and Eve to fall and He created the tester to test, Satan. Again skip to the book of Job and see that Satan (long before the book of Revealtion) had no power but that given him from God and acted only at the direction of God. Again look at God giving a man such as you and me named Paul power over this so called powerful fallen angel to turn another over to Satan to do what? So that this Corintianin may learn not to blaspheme the word of God. What did Paul do once he saw a change in this person? He released him from the power of satan , back into the church after Satan did his corrective disciplinary job he was designed for. Is this really a description of one who usurped power away from God or is it putting Satan in His created purpose?

        God created evil just as it says. We are exercised in evil circumstances to learn what good is, for God created a contrast to Himself and His likeness and character so that we will learn the difference. It really is this simple.

    • Peace and Honor Sonny

      Respectably, I already figured yourself and Rachel and any one here that has concern, for the people here that are behaving rudely… will pray for them. But I am joyful, to read that confirmation.

      “So, yes we tolerate and pray for these ones who speak from their father the devil, until God also blesses them with His light and love of others and they also turn to the spirit from which they also came”

      I believe your message is a conglomerate message, some meant for me and whomever else.

      ~God bless~

  16. In other words these have not yet been born, they are still being fed from the umbilical cord of their mother, the false woman, the religious church of this world who speak but do not know whereof they speak. We must be born, not of a false religion (or church) but directly from the spirit.

  17. There is only one plan…and it is a plan of accomplishment, God will not fail in bringing every last one of His creations into His fold. We can either help or we can hinder. We are known by our fruit, whether we want “all” to be accomplished in the ultimate salvation of all, or whether we would like to see God fail in His predetermined will. Our intent must come to the place of equalling His…with none lost.

  18. To Sonny
    “You allude to the fact that God did not created evil because He is only good. Look at it in the light that “all” of God’s plan which includes good and evil is “good”. Punishment is noted by some as an evil thing but it is the “correction” of this punishment which brings about the good in a person. When it says a man’s evil ways will correct him it is saying by being exposed to evil a man will learn to turn from his evil ways and seek righteousness. Evil has it’s good purpose but we must have a single eye to see God’s plan as having one cause and that is to bring all to the good of God. A child when being raised thinks all manner of evil is being used against it because of it wanting to go it’s own way, however the father has a better plan for his child. Again, look at Job, all the evil that came His way was at the direction of God…for Job’s good end. Again we must learn to put all things in perspective and this includes evil.”

    A respond to this post… about evil being used for good, and God creating evil.

    Yes the LORD allowed Job affliction… though it is not GOD that acutely did those afflictions. Jesus Christ said we shall have tribulation but be of good cheer. True Christians will have persecutions, I’ve read of strong believers who get afflicted by cancer… but the grace increase. I’ll make the point more clear… GOD doesn’t make evil because In Him their is only light.

    For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil,- Jeremiah 29:11

    It is the transgression of the law that makes evil… it is possible for it to exist because of freedom of choice, but GOD doesn’t make evil like He did Holy Angels.

    I hope this clears what I was conveying.

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