Intermingling Souls &
The Soul’s Expressive Elements
(Part 7: Exploring the Mysteries of our Reality)
The quintessence of Jesus’ teachings has withstood the vicissitudes of time and reveal how we become a divine human soul, as he is. Listening throughout the ages, we hear enlightened souls echoing in parts and pieces similitudes of his words regarding this divine transformation.
The word pictures Jesus Christ painted; the narrow path, the narrow gate, the mustard seed, new birth, the two commandments, the washing of the word, I am the way, truth and life, the truth sanctifies, and many more, when interlaced provide us with enigmatic counsel to the way into our Father’s bosom, thus oneness with him. The Spirit of Truth, who flows from the Father, details and explains these truths through our experiences, quite meditations and progressive soul journey. It’s by following the truths these word pictures portray and the instructions of the Spirit of Truth that our soul is prepared and transformed to receive and give divine love, thus to be united to the Father. In this joining, we ascend to immortality.
Because Jesus’ soul is an extension of the Father’s divinity, it’s through a brotherly oneness with his soul, whether directly or through one connected to him, that we are connected to the Father and dwell together as one within the divine consciousness. In this synergistic connection, one soul is joined to the other and oneness is established. We step into “the kingdom of God” and the Kingdom moves into us.
Being of divine love, Jesus is readily available to connect with us (like an open door); however, our soul has to be prepared to receive and give this kind of love. To be intermingled at this depth with divine love means we give divine love. Because of our corrupted soul state, we’re called to embark upon a transformative journey to accomplish this union, like a bride preparing to marry her groom. We are “called” because love is always a choice. We can experience divine love externally, but for it to be a part of us so that it enters our soul and flows through us, we have to be a soul that can receive and give this love.
Jesus Christ brought to us the incredible potential to be divine love, and then he taught us how to be transformed that we may actualize this potential and become a divine human soul.
Intermingling of Souls
Being a part of a collective human soul, we can connect to specific souls on a variety of levels. To connect to Jesus, a pure soul, in a oneness so that he is in us and we in him, thus we are a part of the Father, is the deepest of connections that is fashioned in and by love.
In sincere love, our souls can intermingle in such a way that creates an inseparable bond. A sincere love contains only pure desires and intentions, though unlike divine love, its expressions aren’t yet perfect. But it’s a step along the journey prior to divine love. This love always seeks unity and unity is created when this love is given and received by both parties. It forms an unbreakable bond that even death can’t sever. Through my beloved brother John, I understood how two souls fashioned in this way remain linked across dimensions, and how impactful this cross-dimensional bond can be.
Further, for this type of intermingling of souls we must personally know the other person; not an image of them like a movie star, not abstractly like an ideal spouse, or not in theory like how we might conceptualize them to be. We know them personally and intimately like we would in a marriage or a close friendship. Finally, when this bond is established, we care about what and whom they care about. It’s through these types of soul connections that divine love spreads soul to soul.
Because our soul is bound by the self-determined consciousness, we go through a transformation that enables us to unite to the divine consciousness of our Father. It’s a process of shedding one consciousness and obtaining another, that manifests a new soul, a divine soul. And because we are a living entity with individuality, the transformation our soul undergoes is a metamorphosis like a worm to a butterfly.
The detachment of our soul from a self-determined consciousness (death to self) is done while we are alive or we would cease to exist and loose all individuality. To continue to live as a soul, an alternate framework of soul has to be fashioned while the old framework slowly fades. The new is built along with the old, and when the new is ready the old is totally removed, like the butterfly analogy. Another example, as our soul is compared to a temple, is of a church that rebuilt their sanctuary this way. They built the new sanctuary around the old one and when the new one was ready, they tore the old one down. This way they could continue on with their services. Our soul goes through a similar process. A new soul is built alongside our old soul so we maintain our individuality, yet become a new creation, a new soul. Since soul consists of the construct of truths we hold, this process entails building a new framework of truth within us and when the fullness of our time comes, then the old one is fully removed.
The soul experience of this imperfect mortality serves many purposes. However, we aren’t intended to stay in this soul condition as Jesus so adamantly teaches. We are to seek to become a new creation rising up out of the ashes of our self-driven soul, ashes being a key word.
Soul’s Expressive Elements
The soul is beautifully complex and yet simple. Here is one perspective of an aspect of the soul that I’m learning according to my purposes. The soul is comprised of seven expressive elements. These elements create a sensory interpretation of the truths we hold. The output is our emanating spirit or our individualized energetic formation (aura). The interworking of all these elements manifests our consciousness. A divine soul projects the fulfilled promise of immortality represented by the energetic vibration of the seven colors of the rainbow (ROYGBIV).
The seven expressive elements of our soul:
- Judgment. Our evaluative capacity to make a decision.
- Time. Our perceptual location in the time and space dimension.
- Emotions. Our affective expression of our assimilated truths.
- Desire. Our creative intention or response to our current awareness.
- Words. Our cognitive expression of our assimilate truths.
- Perception. Our level of comprehension based on level of awareness.
- Will. Our internal combustion to create.
Each element is integrated and affects the others. These seven elements are self-driven or divinely driven. We begin our soul journey with them self-driven and darkened. When we embark upon the path of metamorphosis, they become divinely driven as they are lit by the eternal fire.
These seven elements fuse together to create our spirit. Thus, our spirit can be of the dark or of the light. Our spirit’s energy resides upon a continuum of love. The highest form of love is divine love, eternal light. The lowest form of love is the absence of love, which wears the multifaceted visage of fear, outer darkness. Where we reside upon this continuum depends upon the truths we possess and our ability to express them. The less truth, the less love (more fear). The more truth, the more love. Our journey is one of moving out of the dark and into the eternal light. We regenerate in soul, spirit and body from the inside out and the metamorphosis begins with the development of divine desire along the narrow path.
Living Light 
May 15, 2015 at 12:52 pm
Wonderful! Thanks for sharing.
May 16, 2015 at 6:22 am
In order to find union with
the Father, there is only one
saying required, and one step
for your fulfillment.
To find the Father you simply
believe in Jesus, and receive
the cross.
The flesh of man wants to achieve
a relationship with the Father
through attributes.
Rachel, soon, the Father will
purchase your agreement,
and sign off on it.
Then He will hand you a Bill of Sale.
But first you’ll have to know what
the cost is.
Once you can write that down
you can see that the fine print
was written by man and not by the
Father.
May 16, 2015 at 10:58 am
Hi, I know you don’t understand my depth of insight or even why I go here. It’s where the Spirit of Truth leads me and I willingly follow. It’s my delight and joy. It’s okay that you aren’t on the same page, so to speak, because it relates to my purpose and not necessary yours. We all have to follow as we are individually lead. What you mentioned in your comment is what I describe in detail. What does it mean to believe, what does that look like, what happens in our soul when we “die to self”. What does it mean to love and how does that change us? What does it mean to be “born-again”. These terms and phrases have beautiful depth and meaning to them; very much so. And I am exploring that depth. I’m not sure why that seems to be a problem except you feel most people don’t go this deep, or it’s not necessary? I don’t believe everyone explores as I and others do, because it is not part of their journey, yet this is mine. For example, some are electricians and others just turn on the light. It depends on our purpose and role. Others may have a different level of awareness or understanding. We all vary according to our purpose, it what makes us unique, individual and special in our own space. We are all seeking, learning and growing. Its okay if we do it differently. We don’t have to all be the same. But we will all one day be united in divine love … which is incredible beautiful to me.
May 16, 2015 at 11:49 am
Let me see if I, understand this?
When I go deep, you say you don’t understand.
Then when I say I understand, you tell me
there’s no way I can.
Give me a level playing field.
There’s a difference between your head
and your heart.
When I comment on one you’ll say I don’t love you.
When I comment on the other you’ll say I don’t know you.
In the meantime I’m trying to know you and to love you.
Loving is getting to know.
No one is allowed to love you unless their allowed to know you.
I’m just trying to get you to allow it.
That is true awareness, and I don’t think there is any other
level. Give me a level playing field.
Isn’t that your purpose?
Isn’t that what your comments require from yourself?
May 18, 2015 at 3:27 pm
Rachel, I must
apologize I did not mean
for my words to sound quite
so confronting.
I didn’t mean for them to
sound harsh.
May 20, 2015 at 9:10 am
I appreciate that. Some of my thoughts …over the years, I’ve learned that to know someone we have to be willing to see things from their perspective, if we are wanting them to conform to our perceptions then it is about us and not them. And the extent that we see them is the extent that we are similar. This is why we are moving into the likeness of the essence of “Christ”, for when we are as this spirit then we can more clearly see this spirit, thus all those who are advancing into its likeness, and a true bond is formed. We can’t force a knowing of another person. In seeing them, we also are accepting where they are and to whatever degree they reveal themselves.
May 21, 2015 at 2:48 pm
Yes.
One other aspect though
about knowing someone involves not so much seeing things from their perspective, but from understanding their emotions, and how
you are able to understand them emotionally.
So one is not attempting to get them to conform to your perspective, but it is important how you perceive them on an emotional level, or at least understanding how your terminology is perceived by them.
So moving into the likeness of Christ may not necessarily be the
issue.
I’m not attempting to get you to move into the likeness of Christ.
I’m communicating about who Christ is.
So that is not an emotional issue.
When you move that thought to talking about the likeness of Christ, then that becomes an emotional topic.
And I’m not judging your thoughts on that level.
But in order to share, it’s important for me to understand how you
operate, or speak, or perceive things emotionally.
So there is no force there.
The only force is your emotions.
This is probably, what blocks people from revealing themselves,
because they don’t understand their own emotions.
But you have to use them to understand them, or allow them to
to be revealed. Otherwise, the likeness of Christ, is just a chalkboard statement. You could be, very much like Christ, but still have a very small ability to understand people, or to know them.
I think that is two different skill sets.
May 22, 2015 at 9:25 am
Our conversations seem circular in nature, as there is no connection in them.
May 22, 2015 at 10:02 am
I don’t feel good about continuing our dialogue on my blog … while you continue to hide yourself, of which I’m not sure why you do this. And also while I feel there is something off in your way with me. It isn’t something I feel good engaging in. So if I don’t respond you know why.
May 22, 2015 at 1:14 pm
There have been many
others you have thrown
away.
I wouldn’t be the first.
May 27, 2015 at 5:26 pm
Peace beloved Rachel.
I don’t mean to song mean even to anonymous… though I will like to share what I recognize with you… his kind of speech. It reminds me of my aunt Linda… I was telling her about the prophecy in the bible when I was in Trinidad and she was angry, called me names, attacked my character… try to make me doubt my intelligence. If I had a list of manipulative tactics she would have scored 99%. And all the while she is asking if I want burgers and trying to give some euphemism which made no sense to the topic at hand. I forgave her… but I just say my good holidays if she calls and I stay away now. Because I honor my self enough to not even go into that situation again.
sister… I can’t even apologize enough for what anonymous did. I’m really sorry you had to bear that, if I could swap place with you, so you didn’t have to experience his crudeness, I would.
beloved sister of the LORD, even though I could only bench 205lbs, I would wrestle a rhino if it meant protecting you or any sister or brother here, hopefully God give that spirit to do so. I won’t want to do like Apostle Peter, I will pray that hour if I have too.
I went through a good amount of that person post, and I can address his sins, and what is known as an Ad Hominies (attacking some ones character or individuality, usually with false statements), and what looks like some form of emotional manipulation. Though I believe the better option is the one that comes from scripture
Holy Scriptures:
“Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, For he will despise the wisdom of your words”-Proverbs 23:9
“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.”-Matthew 7:9
“Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults; whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse”-Proverb 9:7
“Stay away from a fool, for you will not find knowledge on their lips.”-Proverb 14:11
When I read through his, inaccurate posts this resonates with me:
“See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. “-Colossians 2:8 I share that because his post are apostasy.. I replied to some things he had said before, and I show how it is apostasy.
I know you sister Rachel, express forth the love of the LORD, as your amazingly chosen name states “stirringthedeep.” You speak forth profound wisdom and understanding, if not I would have just said hello and left already… obviously that is not so. I know the LORD will keep on girding you and guarding you with such divine love… I want to love as our Father loves.
I will end with this:
“associating with false teachers, we will be adversely influenced by them. The truth is that false teachings do not lead to holiness. As such, it is critical that we are careful whom we form relationships with, especially those outside the church because unbelievers can cause even the strongest Christians to waver in their faith and adversely affect their walk with Christ and their witness to the world. This is why Paul tells us, “Do not be misled.”
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/bad-company.html#ixzz3bO6CICkb
I thought that expression was good for this. I know you already made the Holy choice.
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May 30, 2015 at 11:26 am
Jedi of Christ,
You offered good reminders for us all through your postings to anonymous; for as we write to another we write to all and ourselves. It amazes how you took the time to share and express with an intention to help. May we all desire to put off all that hinders a pure, sincere care being expressed.
Your compliments toward me are quite generous. I have many flaws, but my desire to be completely of my Father’s likeness and nothing else has consumed me. And it is my flaws that made that desire as deep and strong as it is. He works everything for our good, so I’m grateful for all of it. There is nothing more beautiful than our oneness with him. One day, we will all be in him, and him in us. Thus all our brothers and sisters. May we treat each other in this way.
May 27, 2015 at 5:43 pm
2.knowing the psychological vulnerabilities of the victim to determine what tactics are likely to be the most effective
* Vilifying the victim: More than any other, this tactic is a powerful means of putting the victim on the defensive while simultaneously masking the aggressive intent of the manipulator, while the manipulator falsely accuses the victim as being an abuser in response when the victim stands up for or defends themselves or their position.
*Projecting the blame (blaming others): Manipulator scapegoats in often subtle, hard-to-detect ways. Often, the manipulator will project his/her own psychotic thinking onto the victim, making the victim look like he/she has done something wrong. Manipulators will also claim that the victim is the one who is at fault for believing lies that they were conned into believing, as if the victim forced the manipulator to be deceitful. All blame, except for the part that is used by the manipulator to accept false guilt, is done in order to make the victim feel guilty about making healthy choices, correct thinking and good behaviors. It is frequently used as a means of psychological and emotional manipulation and control. Manipulators lie about lying, only to re-manipulate the original, less believable story into a “more acceptable” truth that the victim will believe. Projecting lies as being the truth is another common method of control and manipulation. Manipulators love to falsely accuse the victim as “deserving to be treated that way.” They often claim that the victim is crazy and/or abusive, especially when there is evidence against the manipulator. (See Feigning, below.)
*Feigning innocence: Manipulator tries to suggest that any harm done was unintentional or that they did not do something that they were accused of. Manipulator may put on a look of surprise or indignation. This tactic makes the victim question his or her own judgment and possibly his own sanity.
*Bandwagon Effect: Manipulator comforts the victim into submission by claiming (whether true or false) that many people already have done something, and the victim should as well. These include phrases such as “Many people like you…” or “Everyone does this anyways.” –
it’s from the wiki, about some manipulative tactics people might do, I believe the Bible already covers this though… I seen anonymous do, the 5th one, the 4th one, the third one, the second one… and he wanted to know the first one… I remember a post asking to know more about you, emotionally etc. I don’t want to put it all here because it was very creepy. God bless sister
May 30, 2015 at 11:29 am
Thanks for sharing.
May 29, 2015 at 1:53 am
Peace and Love sister Rachel
This will be my last post, concerning anonymous. I know the LORD has given you wisdom, and I know you have the discernment to tell if some ones intent if either of the LORD or of man. And blessed with a family and uprightness, I want to share and expose the contradictions as well as what looks like the intent, of this posters message.
I will quote in bits, to expose his contradictions, how he deviates from the path of Truth and the evidence for why I know, his intent is of the devil.
First I will give a small history about my self, for it connects to my inference, which entails where I was before I came to Christ.
For almost all my life, I was a gaming addict.. I played a lot of inappropriate games… it was a counterfeit reality I had chosen over the glorious reality of the LORD. Though one day I came across a video that claimed, it can show what it meant to be a man… little did I know then, I would be in a community that sole purpose is to try and seduce women away from righteousness.
“But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.” 2 Timothy 3:13
that place is of pseudo-science and con artistry… they try to make what they say look like science but really it isn’t, it’s just manipulation, sinfulness.
A lot of people who are not grounded in the faith or of uprightness, fall for their schemes.
I was in it for just over a year… filled my mind with, evils and doctrines of devils. though a few weeks before I eventually started to separate my self from them, I began to see them for what they really were and my self… manipulative and evil men and women. I believe some of them are deceived but most do it because they desire carnal things rather than the love of God. It’s been a bit over 8 months since I left that life, and I never desired It back, I must say it truly feels like forever. Now I will begin my dissemination of anonymous.
1) “In order to find union with
the Father, there is only one
saying required, and one step
for your fulfillment.
To find the Father you simply
believe in Jesus, and receive
the cross.”- “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”- Matthew 7
And this is the Will of God: ” Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”
This disproves his statement
2) “The flesh of man wants to achieve
a relationship with the Father
through attributes”- “But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law”- Galatians 5:17
“Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,;”- Galatians 5:19
Merriam Webster
Attribute: an inherent characteristic
In other words, his illogicality, is saying that the flesh wants the character of God… yet Scripture clearly says the flesh wars against the spirit, meaning that it doesn’t want to be like God.
3) “When I go deep, you say you don’t understand.
Then when I say I understand, you tell me
there’s no way I can.”-
Sister Rachel initial responds: “I know you don’t understand my depth of insight or even why I go here.”
“It’s okay that you aren’t on the same page, so to speak, because it relates to my purpose and not necessary yours.”
Clearly beloved sister Rachel didn’t say the things he claimed she said… moreover, this is from observation, that the responses he put out are not in connection, with sister Rachel depth because it is not only inaccurate, but also missing a lot of biblical truth and spiritual depth.
Dictionary definition of deep: “extending well inward from an outer surface” or in other words what is in the heart
Since what anonymous is responding too, is him going deep in his previous comment, which I have proven to be laden with false doctrines.. that points to what is in his heart, which include his obvious crude and vague style of communication with respect.
“For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. “These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man.”- Matthew 15:19
4) “Give me a level playing field.
There’s a difference between your head
and your heart.”- Give me a level playing field is an idiom: “to give everyone the same advantages or opportunities It was an effort to level the playing field and achieve greater equality between the sexes. Government funding can level the playing field for political candidates without money.”
In giving to the poor or those who are disadvantaged occurring to the Will of the true God, like how the rich would give to the poor in the Bible. Though his usage of it is not in according to that holy principle… that use of the idiom, implies compromise. It is vaguely being implied to put away the values which are God given, so he can be given a ‘level’ means of interacting specifically with sister Rachel. May God have mercy on his soul.
“There’s a difference between your head
and your heart”- I will show how the heart and head, is not different… that unbiblical concept came from pietistic influence of the 19th century and modern psychology.
since God has emotions and desires, He, too, can be said to have a “heart.” We have a heart because God does. David was a man “after God’s own heart” (Acts 13:22). And God blesses His people with leaders who know and follow His heart (1 Samuel 2:35; Jeremiah 3:15). Based on His knowledge of the heart, God can judge righteously: “I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings” (Jeremiah 17:10).
As we God search the heart, test the mind. The Christ said, from the mouth the heart speak… where evil thoughts come from. This heart isn’t the human physical heart.. but the mind where both seen and unseen things take place.
Jesus pointed out the fallen condition of our hearts in Mark 7:21-23: “From within, out of men’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean.” Our biggest problem is not external but internal; all of us have a heart problem.
We cant have emotions with out a mind, and a mind with out emotions is not of God. “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.”- Matthew 22:37 This means that every fiber of our being is to be in accordance to the LORD will.
This disprove that their is no difference between the heart and head.. for they are both one. The emotions, morals, intellectual judgment all this come from the spirit.
“A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.”- Ezekiel 36:26 That new spirit is the Holy Spirit, God communicates to us with in the heart… which is the mind, for out of the heart, a man thinketh… we can only think with our mind.
5) “When I comment on one you’ll say I don’t love you.
When I comment on the other you’ll say I don’t know you.
In the meantime I’m trying to know you and to love you.”- Through observation I can clearly see, this person has spread false doctrines, spoke crudely, and doesn’t bear the fruit of the spirit which is: “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith”- Galatians 5:22
Moreover I have not seen, beloved sister Rachel ever replied with those words this person accuse her of, instead all I saw is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith… imbued in her graceful comments.
5.a) “In the meantime I’m trying to know you and to love you.”-
I have enjoyed disproving this statement:
Dictionary:
Trying: “difficult or annoying; hard to endure”
Try: “make an attempt or effort to do something”
“If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.”- 1 Corinthians 13:3
“Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. “-Romans 13:10
“Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.”- Ephesians 4:2
“Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.”-1 Peter 4:8
“Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.”- 1 John 4:7
Trying doesn’t mean that a person does what they are doing. It isn’t stated but it means that they have not done what they try to do. This love which is express in the scripture can only come about through God… their is a Greek word that is used, in the original Greek… which translate to Agape:
Dictionary of Agape: 1. Christianity
a. Love as revealed in Jesus, seen as spiritual and selfless and a model for humanity
“The Christian usage of the term agape comes almost directly from the canonical Gospels’ accounts of the teachings of Jesus. When asked what was the great commandment, “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
Agape is selfless, sacrificial, unconditional love, the highest of the four types of love in the Bible.
“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”- John 14:21
This love is a command, it is unconditional… it loves even an enemies, it loves people they don’t know, loves regardless. And it is a commandment… so clearly this person doesn’t keep the command to love thy neighbor as thy self, which really means to love thy neighbor as God loves you.
6) “Loving is getting to know.
No one is allowed to love you unless their allowed to know you.
I’m just trying to get you to allow it.”- As this person stated above that he doesn’t love sister Rachel because it is trying for him. If a person cannot love another with out knowing them, then they can never love them even if they learn more about them. That is what the spirit says to me. The most is infatuation and a conditional type of love. Not the type of love which all mankind is to have.
6.a) “No one is allowed to love you unless their allowed to know you.”- This person is not following the commandments of the LORD, but making his own “no one is allowed to love you”
This is a type of verbal abuse and is simply untrue… it is devil speak. The devil speaks like that…. and he is attaching a condition of love to it, so this is not Agape but some thing of the devil.
“For it is written but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us”- this shows that we are sinners, we rebel against God, yet he loved us all, including this person.
6.b)”Unless their allowed to know you”-Romans 13:8 “Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law”- This shows that we owe no one nothing other than to love one another (Agape). Those that mean we allow our selves to be abused, mistreated, taken advantage of… for a sinners pleasure. God forbid.
I will also add to ‘know some one’, in the bible referred to an act that is only sanction in marriage.
7) “I’m just trying to get you to allow it.
That is true awareness, and I don’t think there is any other
level. Give me a level playing field.
Isn’t that your purpose?
Isn’t that what your comments require from yourself?”-
“I m just trying to get you to allow it”- in other words this person desire is to persuade into making, beloved sister Rachel do some thing that is against the will of God… this person is trying to start an emotional affair.
“Becoming emotionally intimate with someone other than one’s spouse can have a chilling effect on the marriage relationship; plus, emotional intimacy often progresses to physical intimacy, bringing devastation. Many people deny the seriousness of an emotional affair, but such affairs are not harmless and can destroy marriages and families.’
“There are warning signs that an innocent friendship could be leading to an emotional affair. When we start to feel a need to hide aspects of a relationship, we are crossing a line into inappropriate territory. Emotional distance between spouses or an increase in the number of arguments may indicate one spouse is turning to another person for closeness. Intimacy requires closeness, and that cannot happen if a spouse gives his/her closeness to someone outside the marriage”
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/emotional-affairs.html#ixzz3bVUy5a8Z
Dictionary;
trying: difficult or annoying; hard to endure
7.b) “That is true awareness, and I don’t think there is any other
level”- this person is saying, considering the above… that an emotional affair, “knowing some one,” considering his vulgar manner of commenting, false doctrines, not doing as the commandments say… using verbal abuse, attacking beloved sister Rachel individuality ( ad hominem) and blessed way of expression of the Love of God. is true awareness… all this sum up to a person who is not of God but of the devil. May the LORD have mercy on that person.
“Give me a level playing field.”- same idiom use to imply to compromise the truth, the way and life.
“And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.”
7.c) “Isn’t that your purpose?
Isn’t that what your comments require from yourself?”-
These are what is known as a loaded question. Sister Rachel shares her journey in the Love of the LORD, and how her journey in this beautiful growth, is manifesting in her life.
This blog is for sister Rachel to do what is according to the will of God and appropriate and healthy, for that is the will of God… to be upright.
Though this person loaded question (presumptuous question), is implying that beloved Sister Rachel isn’t doing her purpose. And considering the previous things… is saying that what this person said to do which is laden with sins, is the purpose beloved sister Rachel should do. This is hard for me to type.. because what this demon posses person I believe is doing, is sinful. O how it is written that the righteous has always been persecuted by the unrighteous. Also this loaded question is an attempt to induce a false sense of guilt
I will share this:
“Guilt trips are a form of verbal or nonverbal communication in which a guilt inducer tries to induce guilty feelings in a target, in an effort to control their behavior. As such, guilt trips are a clear form of psychological manipulation and coercion.”
7.d) “Isn’t that what your comments require from yourself?”- “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law” Roman 13:8 I testify of beloved sister responding in such loving-kindness, wisdom and mercy. Sister you have done the Will of the LORD, there is no greater.
Also this comment from this person, is accusing sister falsely and again trying to emotionally manipulate into a false sense of guilt… I know sister that your comment Is actually intended for his betterment, so he might see and repent of his sins, and seek the LORD.
“Guilt trip: A special kind of intimidation tactic. A manipulator suggests to the conscientious victim that he or she does not care enough, is too selfish or has it easy. This usually results in the victim feeling bad, keeping them in a self-doubting, anxious and submissive position.”- Wiki
I will share this also:Shaming: Manipulator uses sarcasm and put-downs to increase fear and self-doubt in the victim. Manipulators use this tactic to make others feel unworthy and therefore defer to them. Shaming tactics can be very subtle such as a fierce look or glance, unpleasant tone of voice, rhetorical comments, subtle sarcasm. Manipulators can make one feel ashamed for even daring to challenge them. It is an effective way to foster a sense of inadequacy in the victim.” -Wiki
8) “One other aspect though
about knowing someone involves not so much seeing things from their perspective, but from understanding their emotions, and how
you (anonymous) are able to understand them emotionally.
So one is not attempting to get them to conform to your perspective, but it is important how you perceive them on an emotional level, or at least understanding how your terminology is perceived by them.”- it didn’t think me to long, to see what is being implied here, considering the analysis of the previous.
Dictionary aspect: “a way in which a thing may be viewed or regarded; interpretation; view” this word could be used, for some thing physical, spiritual or of human logic. but with the sentence it will be easy to identify the usage of the word.
“about knowing someone involves not so much seeing things from their perspective, but from understanding their emotions, and how you (anonymous) are able to understand them emotionally “- It pretty much, goes with out say… that this person disregarded your message and instead persisted on some thing else, which I will speak of again. In this sense of the word this person is referring to viewing a person, but what does this person mean when the word emotionally is used… I believe I can shed great light on that. The community I was apart of before I knew Christ… always spoke about what they call emotional rapport, simply this is a man attempting to persuade a Lady to drop her guard so they can have an Eros type of love.
And I will add, in the bible ‘knowing some one’ refers a lot to an act that is sanctified only in marriage.
One manipulative thing they would say to do; Is known as negging which is practically a put down with a smile on their face, to try and make the person qualify to them, which really is being indifferent in an attempting to persuade a person to exhibit behaviors that seek after attention. All these things are pseudo science it is really manipulation.
Knowing that the fact that you do express your God given emotions Beloved Rachel because it is apart of our spirit. So clearly this person isn’t referring to the emotions, in which you have express with virtue, but to some thing else.
The only other thing is an emotional affair… because I believe this person wants to seduce.
8.a)
“So moving into the likeness of Christ may not necessarily be the
issue.
I’m not attempting to get you to move into the likeness of Christ.
I’m communicating about who Christ is.
So that is not an emotional issue.
When you move that thought to talking about the likeness of Christ, then that becomes an emotional topic.”-
What is being said.. is that what he is implying has nothing to do with being like Christ because it is not the emotional.. this person wants.
” I’m not attempting to get you to move into the likeness of Christ.” I will share, that this statement implies that this person doesn’t support your growth in Christ. In stead this person will rather talk about who Christ is rather than do as Christ does.
“When you move that thought to talking about the likeness of Christ, then that becomes an emotional topic”-
Beloved of the LORD, you exhibit the fruits of the spirit, the character of Christ… this person rather, hear the character of Christ than support you in the growth of the spirit of God… and in stead, he attempts to bait into a conversation, where this person will try to manipulate, with the information if given. Kind of like the devil, towards Eve. because really he just wants to destroy and seduce, the evidence points to that.
.Beloved sister Rachel of the LORD, you are a wise and virtuous Lady.. and the Holy Spirit works in you. You have had much longsuffering, loving kindness even towards this person… who clearly is not of God. Blessed is that sinner, to have even met you here. For you shine forth as a child of our Father. Amen
“Redeem me from the oppression of man, That I may keep Your precepts. 135Make Your face shine upon Your servant, And teach me Your statutes. 136My eyes shed streams of water, Because they do not keep Your law.”- Psalm 119:135
“Blessed be the LORD, For He has made marvelous His lovingkindness to me in a besieged city.”-Psalms 31
“My times are in Your hand; Deliver me from the hand of my enemies and from those who persecute me. 16Make Your face to shine upon Your servant; Save me in Your lovingkindness. 17Let me not be put to shame, O LORD, for I call upon You; Let the wicked be put to shame, let them be silent in Sheol”- Psalms 31:16
Why I did this: “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.”
May 30, 2015 at 11:48 am
Jedi of Christ,
Again, I’m fascinated by the time you took to go through this, and the relevance of your reflections. May grace flow from your kind intentions and reap the highest good.
May 29, 2015 at 10:08 pm
Peace sister
You are supported in your prophecying of the wisdom of that greatest love. And I am among such supporters.
The person that stay in shadow, and hated that which is God given in you… Is not of God. It is written conciliate those that slander us, and I testify of you doing this in loving kindness.
This person who lives in evil, for I see his works are not of God. In my observation and opinion, and according to the scriptures… I believe it is time, that person is not to be listen too ever again, . for that person spirit is clearly not of God. For love as I believe I have heard you also said, entails honoring.
Whatever disparaging things written by him, is his problem, not yours…. Everything you have done here is praise worth because it is in the name of the LORD, for I see you glorify God, with the life given unto you, magnificently.
Your choices are to be respected. It is sad when people try to destroy people healthy boundaries, for thier own gain sake. People who do these evil things, are evil, manipulative… even seducers. But when it is astablished by God, it cannot faulted… for the LORD is the fortress.
“A worthless person, a wicked man,
Walks with a perverse mouth;
13 He winks with his eyes,
He shuffles his feet,
He points with his fingers;
14 Perversity is in his heart,
He devises evil continually,
He sows discord.
15 Therefore his calamity shall come suddenly;
Suddenly he shall be broken without remedy.
16 These six things the Lord hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:”
June 22, 2015 at 1:11 pm
Manipulation Tactics: A Closer Look
Dr. Simon 05 Apr 2013 character, covert-aggression, manipulation tactics, manipulators, responsibility
Covertly aggressive people are among the most manipulative personalities. They use certain tactics to accomplish two things simultaneously: 1) conceal their aggressive intentions, and 2) invite you to fear, be doubtful, or optimally, to concede or give in. And there are a handful of tactics covert aggressors tend to use more frequently – tactics that are generally the most effective in manipulating others – especially neurotics. Recognizing these manipulation tactics and knowing how to respond to them are the keys to personal empowerment.
I can’t stress enough how capable the more skilled manipulators are of using just about any behavior imaginable to accomplish their aims. This is especially true when the manipulator has a “good read” on the character of their target of manipulation. When a covert aggressor (CA) knows his or her “opponent” inside out (i.e. knows their sensitivities, fears, insecurities, core beliefs, level of conscientiousness, etc.), a vast opportunity opens up for using that person’s traits (often, their most socially desirable traits) against them in a covert war for dominance. Because it’s so unrealistic to list all the possible ways a covertly aggressive individual can get the better of another person, I find it helpful to focus attention on the more common tactics CAs employ and to explain in depth why the tactics are so effective. Understanding the basics of how manipulation works gives the potential victim of covert-aggression a better intuitive grasp of the nature of troublesome encounters with all disturbed characters and heightens their sensitivity to the many possible tactics a manipulator might employ.
Let’s talk first about the tactic of rationalization. Actually, a better term for this tactic would be “excuse-making” or “justifying.” The term rationalization derives from the Freudian notion that people sometimes unconsciously defend themselves against the anxiety they might experience by engaging in actions that violate their conscience. By finding reasons that seem to make their actions more benign, appropriate, acceptable, or understandable, any qualms of conscience are assuaged. But this scenario, of course, assumes that the person actually has a well-developed conscience. And this type of rationalization is a strictly internal and largely unconscious process.
When disturbed characters make excuses for their behavior, they know what they’re doing. They have a clear purpose in mind when they’re seeking to justify themselves. They use this tactic only when they know full well they’ve done something or plan to do something most everyone would regard as wrong. But even knowing it’s wrong, and knowing how negatively the action reflects on them, they remain determined to do it. They might feel “entitled” to do it (as in the case of more narcissistic individuals) or they may simply pit themselves against the generally accepted rules (as in the case of the aggressive personalities. What’s most important to recognize is that at the very moment they’re making the excuse, they’re not “defending” at all or unconsciously fending off any anxiety. Rather, they’re actively fighting against a principle they know society wants them to adopt. And more importantly, they’re also trying to get you to go along with it. Covertly aggressive folks prefer this kind of tactic as opposed to open defiance because it not only helps conceal their aggressive intentions (as well as some telltale aspects of their character) but also simultaneously helps them maintain a more favorable social image (by getting someone else to see things their way or buy into the purported reasonableness of their actions). And once they get the other person to become more accepting of their premise, they’re well on their way to winning the contests of image and interpersonal control.
Think just a little bit more about this tactic. It’s a testament to what I’ve said all along about disturbed characters and their level of awareness (for more on this you might want to read the post: They Know What They’re Doing). Why are the elaborate “explanations” and justifications necessary if the person doesn’t realize how most people would judge their actions? It’s not that they don’t know most folks would regard their behavior as wrong. And it’s also not that they truly believe in their hearts that what they’ve done is okay. Rather, they simply don’t want you to negatively appraise their character and possibly be done with them. And, more importantly, they don’t want to accept and internalize the notion that such behavior should not be done again. The very fact that at the moment they engage in the tactic they’re resisting accepting a principle and obstructing the internalization of that principle into their own social conscience is the best indication they’re likely to do the very same thing again in any similar circumstance. Think about it. How many times have you relented after half-heartedly accepting someone’s lame excuse only to find yourself dealing with the exact same behavior time and time again?!
Let’s look at another tactic: denial. Now this is also a term that had its roots in classical Freudian psychology. Freud conceived it as a primitive and unconscious defense against unbearable emotional pain. And there actually is a type of denial that fits this classic definition. I give an example of it in my book Character Disturbance:
“A woman has been married to the same man for 40 years. She has just rushed him to the hospital because, while they were out in the yard working, he began having trouble speaking and looked in some distress. The doctors later tell her that he has suffered a stroke, is virtually brain-dead, and will not recover. Yet, every day she is by his bedside, holding his hand and talking to him. The nurses tell her that he cannot hear, but she talks to him anyway. The doctors tell her he will not recover, but she only replies, “I know he’ll pull through, he’s such a strong man.” This woman is in a unique psychological state – the state of denial. She can hardly believe what has happened. Not long ago she was in the yard with her darling, enjoying one of their favorite activities. The day before, they were at a friend’s home for a get-together. He seemed the picture of happiness and health. He didn’t even seem that sick when she brought him to the hospital. Now – in a blink of an eye – they’re telling her he’s gone. This is far more emotional pain than she can bear just yet. She’s not ready to accept that her partner of 40 years won’t be coming home with her. She’s not quite ready to face a life without him. So, her unconscious mind has provided her with an effective (albeit most likely temporary) defense against the pain. Eventually, as she becomes better able to accept the distressing reality, her denial will break down. When it does, the pain it served to contain will gush forth and she will grieve.
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This is classic denial. And to this day it’s simply amazing to me how many people, especially mental health professionals, will simply assume that this is what’s always at work when character disturbed people deny their wrongdoings. Character disturbed patients will resist admitting things everyone knows they have done and the therapist might say: “Give him (or her) time, they’re still in denial.” And they make equally unwarranted assumptions, like mounds of shame and guilt must certainly underlie the denial. Why else would they deny, especially the obvious? They must have more shame and guilt about what they’ve done than they can bear, right? Wrong! Refusing to acknowledge the truth is not the same thing as neurotic denial. It’s simply lying and very different in character from the phenomenon I described in the first example. At first glance, someone’s denial might look like classic, neurotic denial. But when CAs and other disturbed characters engage in denial, it’s a very different thing. I give an example of denial the manipulation tactic at work in my book also:
“Joe, the class bully, strolls up to one of his unsuspecting classmates and engages in one of his favorite mischievous pastimes – pushing the books out of her arms and spilling them on the floor. It just so happens that the hall monitor catches the event and sternly hollers: “Joe!” to which Joe, spreading his arms wide open and with a look of great shock, surprise, and innocence on his face retorts: “Whaaaat?” Does Joe really not understand the reality of what has happened? Does he actually think he didn’t do what the hall monitor saw him do? Is he in some kind of altered psychological state? Is his possible altered state brought about by more emotional pain than he could possibly stand to bear? Is he so consumed with shame and/or guilt for what he’s done that he simply can’t allow himself to believe he actually did such a horrible thing? More than likely, none of the aforementioned possibilities is correct. Joe is probably more concerned that he has another detention hall coming, which means another note to his parents, and possibly even a suspension. So, he’s got one long-shot tactic to try. He’ll do his best to make the hall monitor believe she didn’t really see what she thought she saw. The hallway was crowded. Maybe it was someone else. Maybe it was just an “accident.” If he acts surprised, innocent, and righteously indignant enough, maybe, just maybe, she’ll begin to doubt herself. He hopes that, unlike him, she might be just neurotic enough (i.e. has an overactive conscience and excessive sense of guilt or shame) to think she might have misjudged the situation. Maybe she’ll even berate herself for jumping to conclusions or for causing a possibly innocent person unwarranted emotional pain. This tactic might have worked before. Maybe it will work again.
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Manipulators will often couple denial with other tactics such as feigning innocence. This is when the person you’ve confronted acts like they have no idea what you’re talking about or pretends in a self-righteous manner that they’ve done absolutely nothing to be ashamed of or guilty for. Sometimes they can use denial and feigning innocence with such intensity and seeming conviction that you begin questioning your perceptions and your sanity. You start out knowing that you’ve nailed them on a behavior and somehow they get you to wondering if you haven’t gotten it all wrong. A very effective one-two manipulation punch indeed.
By far, however, the biggest weapons in any CA’s arsenal are the tactics of shaming and guilt-tripping. And the reason for this is quite simple: neurotics, by definition, have a high degree of conscientiousness and hate to think they’ve said or done anything wrong or shameful. So, the perfect way to control them is to make them think they’ve done something about which they should feel guilty or be ashamed. Sometimes conscientious people try to lay guilt or shame on disturbed characters, thinking it will somehow prompt them to modify their behavior. But they quickly learn that these tactics don’t work on disturbed characters. You have to have a big sense of right and wrong and an equally big desire to be a good person for these tactics to have any effect. In short, you have to have a pretty well-developed conscience, something disturbed characters lack.
In next week’s post we’ll discuss some of the other more popular manipulation tactics. Then, in the following week’s post, we’ll be concluding the series on the aggressive personalities by taking a close look at predatory aggressors (i.e. psychopaths, sociopaths). Following that there will be some posts on topics that readers have been asking for information about. So, stay tuned!
Respectably, I will like to share that
Dr. Simon George is the world leading expert on manipulation, he is also a firm believer in Jesus Christ… His new book is known as the Judas Syndrome: Why good people do awful things.
June 26, 2015 at 3:55 pm
Thanks for sharing for there is purpose and meaning to being prompted to do so.
August 29, 2015 at 4:36 pm
Good tidings
Conserning Dr. Simon…. Who calls himself a Christian psychologist… I ve learnt such a term is really an oxymoron. Because as saints we are to deny self and put on Christ Righteousness. Yet Psychology is all about self centeredness… And putting on a form of godliness yet denying its power. I’m starting to think that Psychology of the world comes from occultism. While True Psychology principles are found in the Holy Word of GOD.
I found that Ellen G. White said this too… That the true principles of psychology is in the Holy Scriptures.
I was uplifting Jesus Christ and poitning out sin and directing to what the Scriptures say on his website. Simon didnt like what I was doing… Long story short, he spoke like a devil and did devilsh things. He isnt a true Christian. I regret buying his books… And I regeret putting his stuff on your site.
Peace and Honor
August 29, 2015 at 4:36 pm
Peace and Honor*
September 22, 2015 at 7:40 am
Could I please know, what you think about GOD killing?
May 16, 2015 at 10:14 am
Before there ever was man of the earth, we lived and were a singular spirit, as was Adam. When Adam walked in the cool of the day with God, he was spirit, he was one with God. Adam was not spirit soul and body until the further process of creation was effected of man and thus the beginning of his journey through the soul “experience.” We don’ t know how long this spirit existence went on before God put His plan into motion. Before Adam, there was only beings in spirit form, with the fall of Adam was the introduction of another element of man, the soul.
The soul was given a limited life within the spirit or within man. God never had a soul as a soul was created as the weaker part of mankind for a specific purpose of going through a redemptive process. Jesus , as we, did not have a soul before coming to earth nor does he or His Father have one now. Jesus was given a soul upon entry into this realm just as we are and this soul was redeemed back into the spirit at the close of His life where He became one again with the Father…in spirit…for His soul lost it’s individual identity as it became obedient to the spirit. As the soul became obedient to the spirit, it again became the spirit from which it was created. Adam was a singular spirit until he was split and became spirit and soul. We were spirit beings only and upon our birth into this world we were also given a soul, divided from our spirit as was Adam. The soul’s mindful existence in the spirit world before coming to earth was taken from it so that the redemptive process could proceed as God had planned. You can only redeem something to the place of where it was. The soul was in the spirit, taken from the spirit and will be redeemed back to the spirit, all through a process we call redemption, resurrection of the soul, and reconciliation.
This temporary blindness between the spirit and soul was given for the process of learning to get along with others. The only way a soul can become divine is to lose it’s separate identity and become one “again” with the spirit. All the soul is, is a part of the spirit which was blinded in the fall, so it is not a death of the soul that takes place to give way to the spirit, it us just a “re-awakening.”
As our soul is being redeemed back to the spirit from which it (she) came it as you say takes on more and more of the spirit likeness of God. This goes in until there is no longer spirit and soul once again but only the spirit…from which the soul came out of.
It is ever so slight a difference in perspective but there is no such thing as God having a soul. He created souls, and a specific journey for them but this was a temporary journey. Jesus Christ, as Adam was only spirit, then given a soul was processed through the things in which He suffered and Jesus Christ’s soul was “matured” back into the spirit from which He came.
An enlightened person or soul can only be enlightened from a place of darkness for the spirit is whole and full of light, behind the vail, waiting for the arrival of the soul before she left “Him” in the garden.
God is spirit, Jesus is now Spirit once again, and we will be spirit once again as our soul matures and takes on a new name ( nature) and when she does she will no longer be addressed as a soul, because she will have returned to her husband, the spirit from which she came.
We cannot address God in the soul perspective or Jesus for they are one in the same spirit. We can address the soul and it’s virtues along it’s journey but in understanding where it came from and how it came into existence, and where it will end is important in how we address God. God is not on a journey as is the soul, as he created the journey for the soul. The soul in one matter of perspective is the blinding of the spirit for it is part of the whole.
Since it is the journey of the soul, we need to understand it’s beginning (and why) it’s journey (and why) and it’s end (and why). In a natural marriage there are differences in opinion and we see things differently, therefore there is confusion. It is no different in the relation of spirit and soul for they are truly the spiritual husband and wife in reality. These differences in oneself causes strife, confusion, indecisiveness, stress, bewilderment, and turmoil. This is because our spirit and soul do not agree.
As the soul matures and grows toward the steadfast spirit within, the soul becomes more and more “less” confused as she takes on the likeness of her husband the spirit. When she has full succumbed to the spirit, her husband, she has taken on his likeness and a oneness takes place that did not and could not exist as long as the soul was living apart from the spirit.
We are saying the same things about the soul maturing, the soul learning, and about souls taking on divinity. While all this is true, the difference is you see the soul as a permanent entity while I see it as a temporary entity.
I see the soul as the part of our spirit which was given as a temporary blindness that happened to the spirit for the purpose of training and becoming learning obedience.
Rachel, although there are many things we see from a slightly different perspective, we more importantly see the end purpose of these things so we discuss these differences and we gain clarity from the other. I really appreciate the respect you give to others such as myself when we do see things differently. What we both understand that it is not our particular view of knowledge and our differences of opinion that is important but it is the way we exchange, the way we do not criticize, blame and ridicule the other for having different views on things.
There is a higher understanding which is higher than knowledge, which is higher than our differences and that is the love of God to and for one another. When we see a higher goal, and a higher calling, that so surpasses any differences we could have, the differences do not sway us from the higher calling in Chriat Jesus. I am one of those who believe that our differences is what makes us stronger as we learn what is important. We are given varying views and a different timeline to understand so that we may be exercised in the ways of virtue, love and respect. We must learn to see the ultimate goal for all of mankind, and once we do we u derby and the mechanics of getting to the goal. Among many things, tolerance and respect for others and a greater love for others than what our differences of opinions expose. It is the negative things which completes the positive for without the one we can not learn the other. As the circularity of electricity form negative to positive to negative (or vise versa) it takes both to complete the journey as it takes both doe ours. So we see the good purpose in all things.
Sonny
May 16, 2015 at 11:19 am
Hi Sonny, Thanks for sharing, and the difference is ever so slight, and it really doesn’t matter, for when we are learning from the Spirit of Truth we see what we do when we need to for our maturing and purposes. It amazes me how many perspectives illustrations or verses can take on and they are all true when you see the much bigger truth. And these differences are good for they teach us many other important qualities that come down to the nature of love. I think sometimes we want others to be just like us because it gives us comfort and affirmation with ourselves. But truly love is found in appreciating and honoring the differences just as much as the similarities.
May 16, 2015 at 2:35 pm
We show our love and maturity when we can let others grow as God leads them. It is how we conduct ourselves during this time which separates the sheep from the goats.
May 24, 2015 at 9:36 am
In reply to your reply, it is a natural thing for our human nature to find comfort in other human natures and not necessarily in finding comfort in the likeness of the spirit within. So…yes we have different beginnings, different paths, different views, different natures and different sins which so easily beset us.
When our vision has not been opened to the ways of the spirit we have no choice but to see with the car and mind and it is only God who can pull the vail from our hearts and minds from the tabernacle within…between heart and mind, soul and spirit.
As you say from one perspective and I from another, there is something planted deep within our being which when given the right conditions it begins to flourish. This is the seed of the anointing in every person. This seed is the likeness of Christ but and as in a natural seed, this seed of Christ contains all that God is, in completeness. As depicted by the mustard seed, this seed of Christ buried deep within our soul lies dormant in the darkness of the earth, our human nature.
When God calls us, it is the beginning of this seed being watered and nourished to where it begins to sprout life for the life that was within the seed now starts to manifest itself “above” the earthen ways of man. When this sprout becomes mature enough to where it can produce fruit, the fruit is above the human nature which the ground symbolizes. When the fruit is fully ripe, we leave the realm of seeing double and see all things in the singularity of the matured seed. We no longer see good and evil in another but we see them in the singular as matured fruit ….someday and as we are called God’s field where the cultivation takes place, we are plowed, weeded and dressed on a daily basis to let this seed of Christ be all that it can be, some 100 fold, some, 60, and some 30. We do not judge the fold of another for when we do, we by criticizing, and by using belittling speech we prevent “ourselves” from maturing into this 100 fold calling.
This singleness we truly desire, hidden from our view and others by the immature fruit, is a oneness where we see all the potential of the seed in another with a singleness of vision for all people. We can have this vision for all in the singleness of mind when we understand God is “for all” and not just some. The three callings or folds are all of God, and for all and He places us as He chooses as He gives us understanding.
As a child grows through the grades, he learns more and accomplishes more by that which they learned “before”. If they have trouble learning they are sometimes held back for awhile until they understand how to move forward. Some quit school in various grades for it is just to much sacrifice of time, thought and dedication to having a better life. Some 100, some 60, and some 30 in the natural. So…it is the same for us in the spiritual. The great sacrifice to obtaining the high calling in Christ Jesus is nothing other than sacrificing the life of self, our anger for another for seeing differently, our jealousies from whatever stripe,…all of our human nature.
To obtain all that is required to reach all that God is, is to sacrifice all that we are of our natural and carnel mind. When we see only by knowledge we see with duplicity of mind which is confusing, as from the tree of knowledge of good and evil…two views.
When the seed, singularly grows in our heart, the place of the soul, we see from a tree of oneness, the tree of life. This tree of life is a tree of the purest of fruit, to be eaten until we are full of all the kindly attributes of the singularity of God.
There are many in the process of their seed struggling to break ground into the light above themselves, and because this seed is sometimes struggling against a hard religious crust, the possessor of this seed tries so hard to define the seed they see growing in themselves by the darkness that still surrounds the light. But there is hope in knowing God will not allow the seed to be defeated, no matter the hardness of the earth holding back the seed within. God will bring the “clouds” by when the conditions are met and these clouds will share their rain with this other and with patience help to bring forth the spirit, a helpmeet of God.
Sometimes we recognize these seeds of potential around us and we would like to pour water on these prematurely…because…we want these others to see the light as we are seeing the light….but we must restrain and have patience, knowing God is doing the work. We can share and hope for the best but when the best does not come as we would like, we have patience the more because as we have had our seed nurtured and grown by God to the place where we are, we know this other will eventually come to know the love of God for all…as we do. Patience is a virtue, when a true part of us. Impatience causes much trouble in ourselves as well as in others because we desire a different time line for another.
So…again…we agree in the goal and purposes of God, that all will come to know Him as He is, in His time, as “He”calls. So as we desire to “help” let us do so by giving space to others that we desire for ourselves. We cannot call any to come up to a higher walk in Christ but we can be there to confirm and support them when they do.
And we know others mean well when they speak from the perspective of immature growth but even these we know will break forth one day. But in the interim if one is eaten up in the zeal of their own uncultivated ways there is a time for asking for decency to take the place or a parting of the ways until one learns…and is admitted back as in the example Paul set forth in Corintians. This discipline too is love, as much for us as it is for them.
So we may have to love some from afar from their ill behavior but from our perspective we love them as if they were whole already. This is seeing the seed complete, some day, in every man.
We with patience wait for the culmination of all things for this is the desire and will of God. Our mind and will must become one with His. When we see now what will be it is a most blessed perspective to have for we do not see or have an ill will toward any. It is because we “see” because God has allowed us to see His love for all and in whatever capacity He has called each. So we should bless “all” as we see them complete in their day.
May 28, 2015 at 11:28 am
Peace brother Sonny.
I enjoy reading your post, and I love seeing God’s amazing work, through His children… And your post is assuredly one of them.
With respect, I will like to bring to attention this thing, because in the bible… It shows what a soul is and delineates the fall. I will like to share, the biblical sequence that shows the quote I have quoted from you.
“Before Adam, there was only beings in spirit form, with the fall of Adam was the introduction of another element of man, the soul.”
In the bible when God made Adam, He formed Him from the dirt, with His hands… I fine that amazing, that the LORD would get on the ground and sculpt us with His Holy hands. After He did this, He breath the breath of life into man… And then man became a soul. With respect I will provide the Scripture that points to this.
Holy Scripture:
Genesis 2:77 “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” KJV
Body+Spirit=living Soul
This is what I wanted to share. God bless brother
May 28, 2015 at 1:54 pm
I don’t think I see it any different , it is just that when he breathed in, He breathed into us His spirit. At this juncture of creation by being placed in a body, we took on spirit, soul and placed in one body.
If you like sometime we can explore the allegory of the garden a little deeper. Thank you for sharing.
I appreciate it.
Sonny
May 28, 2015 at 8:04 pm
Before there ever was man of the earth, we lived and were a singular spirit, as was Adam. When Adam walked in the cool of the day with .
With the utmost respect I share this brother Sonny.
If I am mistaken when I express, just this small amount of things which was written gracefully by you, please forgive me. May God help me to share this gracefully.
To insure my thoughts are in conjunction with your expression, I will express my self in reference to, this small piece of your message. And if I am not expressing, what it is that you brouth forth… humbly I ask that you share what it is then.
1) “Before there ever was man of the earth, we lived and were a singular spirit, as was Adam.”- Am I accurate, in saying, this is your individual expression of the spirit which was endued into Adam, before Adam was made from the dirt of the ground… that the spirit is us being in God, which included Adam?
2) “When Adam walked in the cool of the day with God, he was spirit, he was one with God”- I know, before this earth was formed… our Father had made other planets and beings, angels are one example. When your expression which is written on this page, is it in reference to us being in God, and going where the LORD goes, because the expression right before, says “Before there ever was man of the earth, we lived and were a singular spirit, as was Adam?”
I will also share, in the scripture Enoch walked with God but didn’t see death, for he was transported to Heaven…. I will also share, that Adam walked with God during the Day as recorded in the Bible, only when he was formed and made a living soul Genesis 2:7… though I feel when it is said walk with, it is in accordance with being where the LORD went, while we were still spirit, in accordance to your message.
3) “with the fall of Adam was the introduction of another element of man, the soul”- Is it accurate when it is expressed, that the fall of Adam, is in reference of God enduing the body with the spirit, thus making Adam a living soul?
4) “The soul was given a limited life within the spirit or within man.”- Am I expressing, what was shared accurately, by asking… if your statement, is in reference to when mankind disobeyed God… or is it, that the statement is saying, we were limited when the LORD put body and spirit together?
With respect, the small amount I quoted from are biblical… because the LORD knew us before we were even born and our spirit, the breath of life came from Him
“My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them” Psalm 139:15-16
This is more for clarification for me, and any other who may in time have the same questions.
God bless
May 29, 2015 at 3:53 am
Hello Cordell,
I will answer as best I can and as brief as I can. I was about your age, 20-21 when God turned me to Himself and I have independently studied since, giving myself to no other and having no authority over me except God, through His son. I did not seek a place to go to nor a man to guide me. I made a promise to God that if He wanted me to have a “relation” with Him it would involve having no one as my head ( or as the scripture says we should keep our head uncovered, the spirt). I didn’t know what possessed me to pray the way I did at the time but later I realized I was called and simply replying to Him dealing with me. It was not me desiring Him, but Him calling and me answering, just as I believe it is for everyone. I will be 63 in a few days and much could be said about my journey and my personal relationship and the “shaping” that has occurred. You will experience many similar things as you are carried through experiences to make you in His image. This is life’s journey of the soul. Whatever our calling and cold, 100, 60, or 30, we will all end up complete where God has decided for us. Now to answer your questions I will at each segment make a noted.
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Before there ever was man of the earth, we lived and were a singular spirit, as was Adam. When Adam walked in the cool of the day with .
With the utmost respect I share this brother Sonny.
If I am mistaken when I express, just this small amount of things which was written gracefully by you, please forgive me. May God help me to share this gracefully.
To insure my thoughts are in conjunction with your expression, I will express my self in reference to, this small piece of your message. And if I am not expressing, what it is that you brouth forth… humbly I ask that you share what it is then.
1) “Before there ever was man of the earth, we lived and were a singular spirit, as was Adam.”- Am I accurate, in saying, this is your individual expression of the spirit which was endued into Adam, before Adam was made from the dirt of the ground… that the spirit is us being in God, which included Adam?
My reply:
We were created spirit as Adam was shown to be created as a spirit before the deep sleep was placed on Him. Keep in mind Adam’s story is our story and his fall is our fall as well. Long before our processing started on this earth, God created us as spirit only as He is spirit only. When the morning stars sang together and shouted with joy before the world was who were these stars and why were they shouting with joy? They were singing with one mind and one accord, in unison with God and one another because they did not have a concept of division for they were one in spirit. It is my understanding that God presented His plan to us in this spirit realm and promised us a “double portion” (allegory of Job) and of course anyone would be excited to know they were to be given greater freedoms, territories, and “responsibilities” to go with this promised freedom. The problem was, with this expansion God had planned, He needed a proving ground to decide and train these sons (morning stars) and remember there were no male or female spirits. We were one with God and had not yet experienced the fall. The allegory of Adam , Eve, and the “serpent” in the garden is a picture of each of us but explained in one individual, Adam. Adam was created, not yet having a soul or body to house Him. To test us in various ways God had to construct a plan whereby we as spirits could be disciplined to deal with the gift of life in that we could be “proved”. Adam, being one “spirit” could not fail and sin as He was singular in His makeup. He could not disobey God nor did he want to for again, he was one.
In order for these spirit beings to be processed to do the will of God as He purposes for us, He blinded us to our past existence. He had to create a situation where we were fallible, so God formed a man of the ground and whereas the spirit could not fail, we were given a soul that could. Therefore the deep sleep was placed upon Adam and His spirit was split into two parts, and given a body to house “them”. Where Adam was one, he was now two, spirit and soul…put in a body. Now we are spirit, soul and body, now having been blinded to our past. Actually Eve, in reality was Adams soul. In the allegory of the tabernacle that Moses built, it will explain this same concept of spirit, soul, and body, the holy of Holies, the holy place and the outer court. See the parallel? We are the true tabernacle of spirit, soul and body. Adam represents us at our natural birth where our body is formed and the spirit is deposited and given a soul. It is exactly the same. We start life’s journey of the soul seeking (as the Shulamite woman in the Song of Solomon), whom her soul loves…Christ. So, having been blinded for awhile, our soul being fallible (the feminine part of us) we are tested, tried and schooled in the ways of God. As Adam was not the one who failed, it was his wife ( the soul) so our spirit within does not sin but is constant behind the veil of the flesh but the soul is in a lower realm on the other side of the veil as in the type, the natural tabernacle. So this is a picture of the soul returning to the spirt or Eve returning to Adam to be made one again. This is a story of our soul coming out of our spirit (as Eve came out of Adam) and once the processing is compete the soul will be consumed back into the spirit ( or her husband) from which she came, now completing the journey of the soul. It is a fascinating study…but in a nutshell it is about the new creation man of God being giving a new life with more freedoms and responsibilities according to what level we attain to…the 100, 60, or 30 fold. There is nothing to fear about the fall for it was designed to give an increase of life, it took away nothing permanently, only for a while, to be “re”- proved.
2) “When Adam walked in the cool of the day with God, he was spirit, he was one with God”- I know, before this earth was formed… our Father had made other planets and beings, angels are one example. When your expression which is written on this page, is it in reference to us being in God, and going where the LORD goes, because the expression right before, says “Before there ever was man of the earth, we lived and were a singular spirit, as was Adam?”
Before there ever was man of the earth, we lived and were a singular spirit, as was Adam. When Adam walked in the cool of the day with .
With the utmost respect I share this brother Sonny.
If I am mistaken when I express, just this small amount of things which was written gracefully by you, please forgive me. May God help me to share this gracefully.
To insure my thoughts are in conjunction with your expression, I will express my self in reference to, this small piece of your message. And if I am not expressing, what it is that you brouth forth… humbly I ask that you share what it is then.
1) “Before there ever was man of the earth, we lived and were a singular spirit, as was Adam.”- Am I accurate, in saying, this is your individual expression of the spirit which was endued into Adam, before Adam was made from the dirt of the ground… that the spirit is us being in God, which included Adam?
2) “When Adam walked in the cool of the day with God, he was spirit, he was one with God”- I know, before this earth was formed… our Father had made other planets and beings, angels are one example. When your expression which is written on this page, is it in reference to us being in God, and going where the LORD goes, because the expression right before, says “Before there ever was man of the earth, we lived and were a singular spirit, as was Adam?”
I will also share, in the scripture Enoch walked with God but didn’t see death, for he was transported to Heaven…. I will also share, that Adam walked with God during the Day as recorded in the Bible, only when he was formed and made a living soul Genesis 2:7… though I feel when it is said walk with, it is in accordance with being where the LORD went, while we were still spirit, in accordance to your message.
3) “with the fall of Adam was the introduction of another element of man, the soul”- Is it accurate when it is expressed, that the fall of Adam, is in reference of God enduing the body with the spirit, thus making Adam a living soul?
4) “The soul was given a limited life within the spirit or within man.”- Am I expressing, what was shared accurately, by asking… if your statement, is in reference to when mankind disobeyed God… or is it, that the statement is saying, we were limited when the LORD put body and spirit together?
With respect, the small amount I quoted from are biblical… because the LORD knew us before we were even born and our spirit, the breath of life came from Him
“My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them” Psalm 139:15-16
This is more for clarification for me, and any other who may in time have the same questions.
God bless
My reply:
Explained in part above.
I will also share, in the scripture Enoch walked with God but didn’t see death, for he was transported to Heaven…. I will also share, that Adam walked with God during the Day as recorded in the Bible, only when he was formed and made a living soul Genesis 2:7… though I feel when it is said walk with, it is in accordance with being where the LORD went, while we were still spirit, in accordance to your message.
My reply:
Yes “walked” is in reference to being in “lockstep” in His ways and will. A unison, a walk with….
3) “with the fall of Adam was the introduction of another element of man, the soul”- Is it accurate when it is expressed, that the fall of Adam, is in reference of God enduing the body with the spirit, thus making Adam a living soul?
My reply:
A new creature. I may had here Jesus Christ was given us as a pattern being “first” born. When Christ resurrected, he appeared to many I recognizable to them until He “spoke”. Christ, being our example was created by God in the beginning as spirit, and once His earth’s journey was complete, He resurrected with a “new” body. Although he was now complete again in spirit, he now had a body he could appear in if He so chooses, thus the “new creation man” God set out to make…in the beginning.
4) “The soul was given a limited life within the spirit or within man.”- Am I expressing, what was shared accurately, by asking… if your statement, is in reference to when mankind disobeyed God… or is it, that the statement is saying, we were limited when the LORD put body and spirit together?
My reply:
Our soul was a part of the spirt as in the allegory of the fall recorded in Genesis. As Eve was taken from Adam, it is saying our soul was taken from our spirit and ” her” consciousness was dimmed. When our soul is blinded and cannot see as well as she could when she was one with the spirit, it is the soul that makes the mistakes. Our soul is the feminine part of our spirit and as she listened to the serpent in the garden and “sinned” so do we when we allow our soul ( the woman) to make decisions without the guidance of the spirit…or her husband.
To summarize in brief, God in His plan for us created the entire plan of salvation before the stats and moon were hung and this earth’s journey was still but a thought in His mind. Our beginning and end was planned as was His plans of expansion and as He used His firstborn son to implement this plan as we understand it, these will be many more sons to expand and create even further. If we want to see what is purposed for His new creation man, God tells us He made a pattern to make all other sons by and His name is Jesus Christ. A pattern is what you make the things to follow by. We are being made in the same likeness and image and believe it or not for the same purpose as the firstborn. It’s part of the mystery.
End
With respect, the small amount I quoted from are biblical… because the LORD knew us before we were even born and our spirit, the breath of life came from Him
“My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them” Psalm 139:15-16
This is more for clarification for me, and any other who may in time have the same questions.
God bless
My reply
Cordell, I think I see we see things similarly but it is not as important to see things alike in our “souls journey” as it is in the way we conduct ourselves while this maturing is taking place.There is a time for all things and discussion on the weightier matters but these will come in due time. Devote yourself and time to finding a true relationship with God instead of seeking knowledge as I found the knowledge comes as a result of seeking Him and His likeness and ways. “All” the scriptures hang on the two great commandments, all of them. So, in other words the love of God is explained in every passage.
As Rachel can attest, it is hard for me to write a short explanation,
Until later
Take care
Sonny
May 29, 2015 at 10:55 am
Wrong.
Adan was created from the dust of the earth.And God blew into his nostrils the breath of life.
That life force returned to God who gave it.
And Adam ceased to be living and returned to the dust from whence he was formed.
May 16, 2015 at 2:36 pm
My response came up as anonymous
Sonny
May 17, 2015 at 8:23 am
I just want to say this. Its is simple, Jesus yes. What is not so simple is that what happens at the point you are truly saved by Jesus. Everything around you falls away that was not of Him. When that happened to me and still does I was like, why isnt there anyone around me who understands what I am witnessing. I was confused why there isnt a group of people supporting this awesome incredible real. Then came Stirring the deep out of the blue for me and hearing someone else s raw truth experience that I could relate to as I am sure there are many others who can just attach or have an affirmation from a true sister just feels good. I believe we are spread out by design. Imagine 10 Rachels on the same block! LOL! They would cancel each other out. Sometimes its not about you its about that little girl or boy in Ethiopia who just happened to have access to the community computer that just might be feeling it too. Its endless the ripple effect. Many camera angles and perpectives. They all help us get a crystal clear picture. A perfect moment in time. I love the humble word of Rachel typed. I am basically talking in stick figures compared to the true deep nature of Jesus Christ who flows thru me.(not verbatim but my off the cuff interpretation)
So yes this simplest thing is the hardest thing but with so many beautiful words in one thread from Rachel, not all will resonate or connect according to ones own perspective at a particular point in time. Yes there is the baseline of Jesus. Thats what we strive for. Many fall short of that. Even knowing that. I believe there are many different phrases and words in one thread that reach many now in there own personal relationship with Jesus Christ and also believe the words are timeless for others for generations to come. As long as the words come from the word or inspired by the Word even if there may be different interpretations of the Word, its all good. Good source. The differences in the diVine keeps us from canceling each other out. Our Creator’s design is perfect. Never backs himself into a corner. cYa that way~ Love
May 17, 2015 at 10:46 am
Thank you for your encouraging words Travis. I truly appreciate it. 🙂
May 28, 2015 at 12:08 pm
Peace and Love sister Rachel
I am unable to reply to the comment, I am referring to directly. So with respect, I have decided to reply here.
I will like to share, what the spirit is telling me, in respond to
you seeing, that the way anonymous behaves, especially towarfiou. “And also while I feel there is something off in your way with me”
This is it, that at the root of the way anonymous is with you… Is that there is no respectfulness. In the way the LORD commands. And I know… with out respect all manner of evil manifest. I hate to see any one mistreated. My heart aches at the site of it… I am in pain because of his evil towards you, and all others. May God have mercy on him.
It is true for it is written… Bad company ruins good morals or evil communication corrupts good manners. This is what the spirit sayeth to me… Have no communion with him.
he can seek righteousness on his own, if he truly seekth that… For the way is known.
Sister I see the care in which your post entails, even in loving kindness and wisdom it is filled and gifted in. And with respect, I love to see the children of our Father shine forth. As you do here and which I do see. I only want good towards you and for you and all others.
God bless beloved of the LORD
May 28, 2015 at 12:09 pm
Forgive my typo please 😊
Towards you*
May 29, 2015 at 3:59 am
Cordell, when I replied some things were duplicated…so it is on here twice…and therefore long. Sorry, I know I did not write it twice…Sonny
September 22, 2015 at 7:49 am
“We were created spirit as Adam was shown to be created as a spirit before the deep sleep was placed on Him. Keep in mind Adam’s story is our story and his fall is our fall as well. Long before our processing started on this earth, God created us as spirit only as He is spirit only. When the morning stars sang together and shouted with joy before the world was who were these stars and why were they shouting with joy? They were singing with one mind and one accord, in unison with God and one another because they did not have a concept of division for they were one in spirit. ”
I know for me, the morning stars were the angels
And I know for me, no human being was ever alive before they were born, for me… Only me that includes Adam and Eve. I believe and know, only me… That Adam wasn’t alive until God formed him from the ground and breath the breath of life which I know…. For me, is different than the Holy Spirit which is GOD the third person in the Godhead
May 29, 2015 at 11:05 am
2Co 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Jhn 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
1Pe 3:22
Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
Gen 6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
You can feel the tender touch of the beast.
You know . sometimes satan, comes as a man of peace.
B. dylan
You are on very dangerous ground Rachel.
Wake up and file satan before it is too late!!!
May 30, 2015 at 2:12 pm
Robert, In saying “You are on very dangerous ground Rachel. Wake up and file satan before it is too late!!!”
Your intention may be good, but you can’t threaten, intimated, or scare me or whatever you are trying to accomplish. My love with the true God is isn’t hypothetical or theoretical, but real. It’s been cultivated over many many years and through many seasons of my life. When you are truly in his love, there is no fear.
The more fear we have in an area the less truth we have. Truth and love work as one, as fear and lies work as one.
June 2, 2015 at 2:32 pm
I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your mind has been led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
The spirit of God does not enter one through some kind of an encounter.
O you said you entered his body, is that it?
That is creepy man.
This is not at all the way God works.
Again, it is the way satan works.
He wants to possess people.
Since the flood he can not materialize, and this is all he can do.
Do not fall in love with these demons.
Yea, they know how to touch you.
Before the flood they could get any woman they wanted.
They are supernatural!
And you do not preach the word of God, but something else.
And you use God’s word as a farce.
Why would you want to lead people to satan?
September 22, 2015 at 7:50 am
Robert Fear GOD, and repent of your sins before it is not late and probation closes
May 30, 2015 at 2:42 am
Robert:
Wrong? That which is of the spirit is spirit and that which is of the natural is natural. The bible is written to the spiritual mind and heart. It is written in a natural form about natural events, and natural people yet it is entirely a spiritual book…not…to be understood in a natural way for God says we must worship Him in Spirit and in truth and not in natural observances which were under the law. The outward is a ritual for example there is an outward building called a temple and there is the true temple in which we are. Where under the law of natural ritual and observances people practiced faith by doing outward things which can be observed whereas in the true spiritual temple we practice our faith by becoming the substance of God Himself which does not come by works or natural observances.
The scriptures themselves explain that the book was written in type to give us understanding of the spiritual ( antitype) and for no other purpose. For example, whereas the natural temple was built in explicit detail to help explain the true temple in explicit detail , we must understand the difference in the two and what each specific part of the temple represents in the true world of the spirit. Of course we know we are the true temple of God where He dwells hidden behind the veil (the flesh) hanging between the holy place and the holy of Holies depicted in the natural type.
What this depicts in the true temple in which we are ( know you not that you are the temple of God?) is that God is ever present in us hidden away from the natural inquisitive prying eye of the outer court (the flesh) and also hidden from our own soul which is also “in” us. To be clear on this our spirit is hidden from the view of the soul by the veil which in reality is our fleshly desires in and of this world. The soul must learn the ways of the spirit while she is yet apart from the spirit while only being but a breath away. Thus we understand the spiritual makeup of our own spirit, soul and body and what can be viewed from outside the temple (world) and what can only be seen from the place of the spirit. These parallels are not recorded in error and without purpose, they have meaning and the details when observed with the eye of the spirit are crystal clear to the meaning of the natural in type…explaining who we are, and how we are made, for what purpose and how we should view things from a spiritual perspective.
Now to address what you say is “wrong”, is it wrong or is it that you just do not understand the spirit version of this naturally explained allegory of the spirit, soul and body?
Adam was “formed” from the dust of the earth (or his body was) before Adam was given this dust of the earth body. If we look at the chronological order of things we see that Adam was already created in spirit before a deep sleep was given him. Adam walked with God meaning he conversed with God and their language and substance was alike,spirit to spirit. The dust of the earth represents our carnal thoughts and mind and it will remain dust and go back to the earth from which it is formed. The dust is what influences the soul (or woman, Eve) to sin. When Paul instructed ones to shake the dust from their feet and leave the house of the unlearned for their unbelief, misunderstanding and therefore their scoffing ways. We are also instructed to “try” to teach another the higher way but if they refuse and reject you because they do not understand spiritually, we are to just leave them be to their “dusty” way of thinking, knowing God will deal with them on a spiritual level in another time. Since we know we cannot open another’s mind to make them see, we give what we have and then it is between God and that person.
We are to discern what manner of person it is that approaches us and their level of understanding and respond accordingly. As Paul said he became all things to all people, so must we discern where one is in maturity and speak on their level and bring that one from there. We do not give meat to an infant or else they will choke, as with young people they can take a little more but since they think they know it all already you can’t speak spiritually with them either.
To speak just because we have good intentions toward God does not excuse us from teaching in error. We may exude many truthful sayings wrapped in the best of theological rhetoric and we may be on the path of God’s choosing, but we knowing in part can give us a false sense of power and we can do a lot of damage by our good intention. The five foolish virgins are nothing more than our undisciplined souls talking with all the good intention and knowledge of the book of words, thinking we do God a service for our many words.
Again we may exude words of praise and love in a pleasing to the flesh psychological way, desiring to gain confidence of the flesh by drawing others to “our” words but it is these slightly so “off” words which reveal our fruit whether it truly be of the spirit or of our soul. The undeveloped person or “soul” (the babe, the young) is simply not allowed to speak in “church” for she must learn to speak through her husband, the spirit. Many simply cannot understand this simple principle. It is our soul that sinned, not the spirit. We know this by understanding the allegory that it was Eve ( feminine part, the soul) that sinned and it was not Adam that sinned which represented the spirit.
The natural, carnal man which has a mind of dust will not be allowed into the realm of the spirit and it will return to the earth from which it was formed. The spirit will return to God from which it came after having the dust washed from it’s feet, signifying the separation of our carnal nature from our likeness of God. We are separated by our obedience to the spiritual instruction we receive and to receive it from the spirit we must obey the spirit and not be led by the soul because until the soul can learn to obey her husband, the spirit she will obey the voice of the serpent in the garden which are nothing more than our earthly, natural desire to be heard from in a point of view, although well intended, is as a foolish virgin or a foolish soul.
When the soul listens to the weak and beggarly elements of reasoning (which Eve did) our soul or Eve, listens to the voice of the serpent and our soul is led away into foolish and hurtful lust. As long as our soul plays the harlot she is an adulteress, …..but….when she finally realizes she has been listening to the voice of reason ( the serpent reasoned with Eve) instead of simply obeying the voice of God within and leaving the tree of knowledge of good and evil alone. As long as we consume Christ (the tree of life) we do not listen to this reasoning devil within, we just simply obey that which is already decided for us to do.
So…while I see where one is coming from calling another wrong because they do not understand the ways of the spirit, I also see they see from the a different perspective than that from above. We know from where the spirit speaks where no dust of the ground exist and we know the view of the serpent which is depicted by the dust of the ground, our natural, human, carnal, derogatory and arrogant nature.
We must rightly divide the word and we know when another does because either they will produce good fruit from the tree of life which is Christ or they will go on with their scoffing eating dust from the tree of good and evil. The spirit is easy to live with, it is content, kind, loving, and looks for no self recognition. It does not stress itself from what others may think of the oneness it is. We must align ourselves and discipline our soul to relearn how to walk with God, rejecting the “whore” she has been, by having had this affair with the flesh called, the serpent, devil, satan and dragon and returning to her first love of the spirit. When our soul quits playing the role of the harlot and returns to the desire and will of her husband and spirit they will learn again to walk as one and she will no longer mind the will and ways of this world.
Contemplate these things for they are spiritually discerned.
June 2, 2015 at 2:14 pm
Adam was not formed before he was formed.
What was he formed from.
God told him , you came from the dust of the earth and if you disobey me you will return to the dust. No where else.
But satan , the father of all lies, said not true!
You will positively not die.
You see, your viewpoint does not come from the word of God at all but from pagan religion. It is entrenched in the society as a whole. For satan is god of this world. Bu the wages of sin is death. Not heaven.
In fact if you had an immortal soul, Christ died for nothing.
Bu the scriptures are plain, that Christ alone has immortality.
And death is death!
Do you read it?
the King of kings and Lord of lords,
1Ti 6:16
who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.
June 27, 2015 at 8:12 am
And all…
Once a soul discovers GOD WITHIN it renders the organization obsolete. We now have a one on one relationship with God hearing his voice and knowing His will. Our body now becomes HIS HOLY TEMPLE, with Christ reigning within as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
When we realize this God moves from the outward “church” where “church goers” have erroneously believed He is, to where the true church in reality is, and that is within us. This is the mystery revealed by the apostles, even hidden from the Old Testament prophets. And yet in this day where God is making all things spiritual people still as under the old law of ritual still get up on a day they have set aside in their mind and go to an outward building, worshipping in an outward way, believing they are apart from God. As long as we believe God is above the stars out in heaven somewhere or waiting on us in a building one hour each week on a Saturday or a Sunday, we cannot have a meaningful relationship with our Father. We must seek Him where He is, the mystery revealed, in us. This is intimacy.
When all realize where God is and where truth is and what it is, people will put away ritual as under the law, and worship in spirit and in truth within the true temple in which we are. The sectarian divisions, factions and parties of the various religions will cease to be and all will go by the unity of the one single faith in the one single God. People will one day reject all false labels and concepts of separation, called religion by various names.
Many continue to defend their position in their faction and labeled religion and this is ok until they receive revelation from God. We can help provide direction to those who cannot see these truths and we hope they do…but if not, we concur with God that it is He who opens the hearts and minds, and should one not see at this time, we know God has His reasons for withholding these truths from them.
When we take away and walk away from ……the religious labels, the ritual of going here or there, praying at an outward alter, on a particular day at a particular time in a particular site, listening to a particular person….we will then start a true relationship with the one true God in the only place we will ever find Him.
All the outward show of noisy pomp and display is replaced by the simplicity of worship in the quietness of our being.
It is perfectly ok to read anything another may write and share but we must realize we are not to follow any of these only but Christ by example.
We cannot be of Paul, Appolos, Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John, Luther, Calvin, or any other person such as ourselves that has been given an impart ministry. Many claim to have it all and many follow these other humans in their quest for truth but it can’t lead to truth for Christ is truth and we as well as all these others must come to the same truth.
We must come to the place where we need no man to teach us because we have realized the teacher is within us.
June 23, 2015 at 9:04 pm
Rachel:
The study of the spirit, soul and body is a study of ourselves, how we came to be made first a spirit (Gen.1:26) why the split of the one spirit into two ( the fall), now being spirit and soul, housed in a body (temple of God) only to return to the oneness from which we originally came. Since much of our dialogue recently is about these relationships and how they relate let us continue exploring and sharing this subject.
Rachel, as I read your article about the conscious state vs the subconscious state of our being I believe I understand and see your perspective correctly as I see it using the same description as well by connecting the sub conscious and conscious realm to the spirit and soul realm respectively. We are being awakened as you describe and as we lend to the other (in respect) using Christ as our foundation there is nothing we cannot explore and share as we know it is for the purpose of making a clearer and straighter path for all…else we give in vein.
The allegories in the scriptures are numerous about this subject but they all say the same thing, yet in a little different perspective in each case and as we put all these allegories in alliance with one another, “we” begin to make sense of our purpose for first being created as one spirit, then our one spirit being divided into spirt and soul, then one again through the process of regeneration and resurrection.
One allegory of the spirit and soul is of the natural man and wife. With the man representing the spirit and the woman representing the soul we again look at the natural world (as instructed) to understand the spirit world….
A man (spirit) is born and as he walks the earth he is alone in his walk with God for he has not yet sought out a woman (soul). He independently makes all his decisions of where to go and what to do without anyone else to influence him. While walking one day in a beautiful bontanical garden nearby his home in his “oneness” he notices another singular being as himself, beautiful to the lust of his eye, and to the lust of his flesh he began to have a conversation with this beautiful one. She noticed the stature of his being, the togetherness of His spirit and confidence of his “oneness”.
They began to see more of one another and she finally convinces him he would be much better off if he left his single independent identity and let her be a part of his life. She was very charming and using all five of her senses (given her by her “natural” father) she convince this single man to see as she sees and do as she was doing for her five senses of sight, smell, hearing, smell, taste and “touch” gave to him an appeal he could not resist.
So from his oneness he allowed another into his life and after a year of engagement (betrothal) they became man and wife (spirit and soul). From this point on he no longer walked in singularity and made his own decisions without the wife’s input or she his. During the betrothal period of engagement she prepared herself and made herself ready. To become one with him she was prepared to give up her own name (nature) and take on his name (nature). She was prepared to lose her individual identity and her independence as was he to her.
She did not lose “all” her identity upon this natural marriage but as the years waxed on she little by little gave up her stubborn desire to function independently. Her husband was steadfast and served the lord without question and she wanted to join him in this singular quest to be one with him in his spiritual quest to become one with God. As she followed her husband as he followed his God she also started seeing as he saw and doing as he did. They started becoming one as they followed “the one”.
As the years went by as they walked together in the spirit of the lord the wife no longer saw things different from her husband nor the husband different from the wife, they started to walk as one in agreement of another which is Christ. The marriage was not only that one day of saying “I do”, it was a lifetime of coming together without divorce, of hanging In there and and struggling through the bad times with the good to come to that one understanding which both deep down desired.
The above description is but one way of looking at our own spirit and soul dwelling in a body that God formed and breathed the spirit of Himself into us at our own natural birth. The allegory in the garden is a type of each of us being born into this natural world at the time of our natural birth. Our individual garden within is our Eden experience. What was for Adam and Eve in the allegory and type is for us in the here and now.
Since we humans as spirt, soul and body are not gender specific we can interchange the gender for our specific allegory for we all, whether male or female are the same in God’s eyes. Yet these types give us clearer and clearer understanding as they begin to fit the greater picture. God said “Male and female created He them”, meaning He created in each of us the “spirit and soul” or the masculine and the feminine traits. It is not talking about gender in this situation. Genesis is a book about “beginnings” of the individual as well as all people. It is a book explaining first of all the spiritual make up of man as well as the natural make up of man. It explains both in detail but we must rightfully discern when it is talking of the spiritual condition of man vs the natural man.
We as individuals, whether we marry or not have a husband, wife, and body or a spirit, soul and body and the type must fit the antitype in each and everyone of us regardless of our outward gender for “There is neither male nor female in the kingdom of heaven”, so as we see ourselves in these allegories we can never look at gender in the same way ever again for we are all the same.
As the types and allegories are revealed to us in ever increasing light, we begin to truly see one God with one purpose in His one love for “all” people. Whether we be male, female, Jew or gentile, bond or free all we see in the spirit is another child of God just like us…to be finished just like us…to have life without end…just like us. Therefore knowing “the end” of us all how can we then not show mercy, forgiveness, patience and kindness to all others?
Should we rather remain in our soul state of independence not minding the spirit from which we came, scoffing at our brethren ( brethren is not gender specific in spiritual terms) wanting to send them to a place of torment (judging) for not agreeing with us? We can be in disagreement with one another on subjects and perspectives without necessarily varying from a oneness in spirit.
The love of God will always make us one regardless of the temporary differences of opinion. With the love of God in our hearts, one for another, two can sharply disagree about a subject but it will not influence the greater of the two, the love of the spirit over knowledge. When we base our relationships with loving respect for the other as it’s principle foundation (Christ) all our differences of understanding of “things” should not matter as much.
If our intent and desire is to seek God and His way and ways, the shadow of a thing (knowledge) should never matter “as much” as what it represents and if all the all the law and prophets hang on the two greatest commandments of loving God and loving others as oneself we should be able to talk about, agree, disagree and share all that is within us…………”if” our intent is to further the kingdom of God and….not… necessarily to win others to our point of view.
We have one goal and one purpose and that is to see that all “see”, speak and ultimately come to the same oneness of the one spirit and that is not the spirit of self but the spirit of the oneness of God.
As described above there is a way for good dialogue and a way not to have it. Occasionally we cross the line in attempting to explain our position and we may press the point to far and offend another the wrong way. Sometimes we are in error for offending and sometimes we are not. No one really knows but God and those God has given the spirit of discernment to understand what is being said and why. A fool and a wise person will hear the same words and corrections, and each will respond differently.
God knows if we are only trying to approve ourselves in the sight of others and are simply wanting to be heard to impress by knowledge or if we truly use the knowledge we have to explain the spiritual way and desire to increase it in another’s journey. God knows every thought and intent and we should always measure each and every thought and word we speak to another and know why we say what we do. It is not so hard to know if we love another and want what is best for them or if we simply want to “defend” our obstinate position.
We cannot truly love as long as we are blind to the true will of God and His plan for the redemption of all. We kid ourselves and others by speaking about love with one fork of our tongue and desiring another to burn in hell with the other fork. No such person will ever come to the truth until such a one sees God for who He truly is, a God that purposed salvation for all before He created the earth or man, a God who purposed an “obstacle course” for discipline, correction and “re”proving and not as some suppose to give some eternal life and some eternal death by burning. A person can never love in oneness if they are determined to divide by not understanding knowledge for which it was purposed.
Everything we read in the scripture can have a negative interpretation and a positive interpretation. We reveal who we are and how we have spiritually grown by how we see, read and understand the scriptures. Do we want to “see” the positive spiritual message which brings unity and oneness to all people and to all things….all being complete in God with none “ultimately” damned? Or do we want to live on in our natural human mind of misunderstanding, depending on our “reasoning” intellect and “philosophical” viewpoints which place one murderer in heaven, being forgiven while another of a lessor crime burn in an endless burning hell.
What hypocritical, selfish, hateful, and self righteous bigotry. One’s whose soul holds such views should remain quiet and never speak in the “temple” or anywhere else until their soul has matured to the point where she ( our soul) minds her husband the spirit and learns about the “one” plan of God for the salvation of “all” people. A religious person who believes God would burn a person perpetually for making a mistake has never been born of the spirit but remains in a deep dark dungeon of the lowest human, carnal mind, separated from the love of God. This state of being is the only hell anyone will ever know. Those who would send another to this fictitious “hell” is literally in the real hell of the mind themselves. Therefore to be released from this “condition” of hell this same person will have to come to know God as He is. When one speaks such nonsense they do not “know” God in reality.
We each have our calling and we each use our vocabulary to further the kingdom in the way God gives us. We tread on dangerous ground when we think we have all of the correct knowledge to even explain things correctly. We are in a condition of growth while maturing so by acknowledging we are growing we therefore acknowledge we do not have all we need to be complete. We must understand the difference between knowing about God by knowledge of what our self reasoning soul thinks about God verses what “knowing” God by “His” spirit means. To truly know Him is to truly be as He is, just as the word believe carries with it a meaning of “possessing of substance.”
There are really no words that we can express that will reveal the true love that God has for all of His creation. We can may confirm or agree on what God reveals to the mind of another but we cannot actually reveal any truth or give to another one once of God’s spirt. We can confirm and rejoice with them when they “see” but the credit is not ours to have for God reveals Himself to others directly. We speak and do our best to get “His” point across as best we know how but to take the place of God as so many do and “draw men unto themselves” stand in the way of redemption of others as well as themselves. This is because what some teach, must be “untaught” sometime in the future and the one who teaches another into a mind state of hell will be the blind one who has led another into a pit which both has fallen into .
Who knows the mind of God except the very spirit of God. It says Christ came to the place of being one with God by having been given the mind of God. It is taught in the scriptures that we must also “Let this mind be in us which was also in Christ Jesus.” If Christ was given the mind and spirit of God and we are commanded to come to this same stature that was in Christ, it is telling us we are also to be one with God…”and” Christ.
Truly it is a oneness we desire. We will only gain this likeness by partaking of treating others as we would have them to treat us. Hate has it’s many religious followers in sects of wanting to divide the masses into factions and parties (Galatians) with a man at it’s center while it takes little thought to love all through Christ Jesus with no thought of oneself coming between God and man. We must ask ourselves who do we follow as some do. As Paul stated, some say we are of Appolos, or of Paul, or of some other person just as some today say they follow some other…who founded a religion, teach a certain way and who write books on the subject of religion in which they agree. Regardless of how correct or incorrect another is, we still do not follow them, we follow Christ.
We each give what we have, it is between God and the other whether they except or deny what we give. The spirit reveals of what sort and manner of spirit another is and so some will see and some will not see what we share. It depends on how true our words are and how they meet with God’s approval and whether it is for another to understand or not. We each will stand or fall to God in accordance with how genuine our character and desire is in accordance with His will. We know we have accomplished love when we have come to a place where we would not deny it to any other, regardless of who and what they are.
June 26, 2015 at 3:54 pm
Hi Sonny,
Your last sentence is a wonderful summary of our comment … “we know we have accomplished love when we have come to a place where we would not deny it to any other, regardless of who and what they are.” … In this we have let go of judgment and embraced life for ourselves and others. I would add, I knew I stepped upon the kingdom of God’s love when I understand this all consuming love of God. And this desire to love all of creation with a divine love awakens us to the many lessons that teach us about what this love. So in my experience this was the beginning of his love and yet also the end as you have stated, for all comes back to this. And there is such depth in between.
It seems we can easily get caught up and thus stuck in our own growth by focusing on what others are doing, saying or believing, as something to judge or correct or reject .. when actually everything in our reality is a part of our reflection in some way, that is why it is in our reality. Our part is to learn (in a giving and receiving) what we are suppose to from each interaction. And in this same line of thought, as we mature in the ways of God, our reflection back to us should reflect these beautifully stated qualities:
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:3-10
As a student of the Spirit of Truth, we will experience these qualities being knit into our soul through our experiences, lessons, and his words. And as you look at them, there is nothing of ego or self “rightness” in them. And when we see the love that fills these qualities, we realize if this is our reflection, then we are moving along the path of life.
June 28, 2015 at 9:39 am
Rachel,
When you said the following it reminded me of what was also instilled in me when God called and started me down the path of my regeneration.
“So in my experience this was the beginning of his love and yet also the end as you have stated, for all comes back to this. And there is such depth in between.”
The very desire that was instilled in my being, to follow after the path of truth involved no desire to join a group of people, or look for a religion that agreed with my views. This is because I did not have any doctrinal views or a desire to know about things per say. I “knew” then I sought “a way” which was all inclusive without barriers and walls of separation. I literally had no desire to go anywhere as to a natural place of worship. I knew this was not my intellect bearing on my conscious for there was not a hint of ego and wanting to be admired by others. God’s gift to me was letting me know in that first instance just as it is now, that we are to seek a way which is not segregated by religion but in seeking a oneness of Himself which will eventually include all of His creation. I could not see in myself of anything that was deserving and as I later found out no one is deserving of salvation. This is because life is a gift and we received the gift before we had been born, not having yet done anything right…or wrong.
When I read of a murdering, self righteous, religious fanatic who used the bible to justify his righteous indignation of sanctioning the killing of Christ and went on a killing spree of stamping out all Christians who followed the truth, I came to realize without a sliver of doubt that salvation does not come by merit, for this one had nothing that he had done, said or believed that put him in “good” standing with God. When we understand that a man such as this that had no intent or desire to follow Christ (and many Christians today would not allow such a one in their midst) was turned to God by God’s preordained and predestinated will, we also understand the same purpose is for all.
God gave us the knowledge of this man and his evil deeds, Paul, just for the purpose of showing His unwavering mercy, grace, and “unconditional” love for “all” and went on to inform us this same love is for all of His creation and not just for some. It would be hard to match Paul’s evil constitution. For those who think one cannot be “religious” and know the law from cover to cover and serve their father the devil just look at Paul. We cannot say Paul was serving God and doing the deeds that God Himself says can only come from the mind of Satan. Yet…Paul was steeped in religion.
So…do we have and seek God, which truth and love is, or do we do as Paul and justify ourselves by our knowledge of some traditional, doctrinal beliefs found in the written law?
What I am saying is we have absolutely no desire to serve the true God of love, just as Paul, without God Himself instigating the change in each of us. When He calls, He calls us to Himself as being one. Often we “change” at the persuasion of those around us; our family a for friends in the choice of their religion. When we start out as such we often must experience a “religious” experience before we can experience God on a personal level.
Therefore when God calls us to Himself, He calls us from where we are, whether steeped in tradition and religion, as Paul, or from a place of solitude. He will with all patience, mercy, grace and long suffering bring us to Himself little by little, taking away our religion and the ways of the world, in a manner which will bring us to the place of “our” conclusion, not to be judged by another.
I understand what you are saying in it being in our beginning and our end which God instills the truth and ways of Himself. This is because God is one and does not change, it is we who change…and God waits for this change to come in us. He waits while we go through the process of learning the difference between religion and love, a way verses a set of facts to debate about.
Yes, we are called into the same love we are to end in, it is all the in between learned, intellectual, religious ways our soul must learn to reject. The love is existent in us already, we just need to shed the fleshly veil in our temple to see into the most holy place. The love of God has always been with …and …in us. So, what we begin in, we will end in.
So many things we share touches sometimes on just a single note but it inspires another added note, and another…until….
It is good to confirm the peace and the knowing of the Lord, without competition. I appreciate this way.
June 27, 2015 at 10:09 am
You say:
“It seems we can easily get caught up and thus stuck in our own growth by focusing on what others are doing, saying or believing, as something to judge or correct or reject ……”
So true as in my observation and experience as well, yet this is part of our making and calling. Our journey is like buying a train ticket to a far off destination. There are many, many stops along the way with plenty to see, hear and do. We know we are not to depart from our trip and cut it short and remain at any of these “stops” but some of us do and will. As Paul described many having turned from the way and finding the pleasantries of this world more enticing to the flesh, they remained not in the way of the high calling. Although they are saved they have not endured to the end of this higher calling, they have settled for less than what awIted them. All callings are good and none to be found at fault, it is just, that it takes a dying to oneself on this side of the grave to make this high calling in Christ Jesus.
For whatever reason many give up this high calling and settle for a different “fold” which we cannot judge. However if we are to continue on, we cannot let anything dissuade us from our destination. We are “lost” as to our salvation but we can lose the order of the higher calling.
As we discuss with others we can use the language of this world or “another” and sometimes a mix, however even by these obstacles we bear down and refocus on the goal. The longer we stay on the train without getting off and staying at one of these stops the closer we come to our goal. We encourage all to make the trip as far as it’s end but if not, we love them where they are.
June 27, 2015 at 10:34 am
To clarify when I said “We are lost as to our salvation”……let me clarify “as to” should be clarified to mean we cannot lose our salvation although we can lose our higher calling. All lost souls “will” be found.
Sonny