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Passing Through Judgment

John 5:24-25 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.

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Author: Rachel

My passion is cultivating a deep relationship with God and helping others to do the same. I LOVE sharing with others insights that God has taught me and hearing what God has taught them... thus my blog, Stirring the Deep. My focus is on a relationship, not a religion. Life is in the relationship. I believe in a balance and unity of body, mind and spirit. I feel it's important to nurture all three for they all affect each other. I try to live in the present, where the Holy Spirit is. And I try to do all with the motive of love. I've come to believe life is a journey and not a destination. It isn't about perfection, is it about growth.

60 thoughts on “Passing Through Judgment

  1. Hi Rachel, E W here. Interesting and I see what you are saying. The one problem I have is the same as we have discussed before; the definition of “love”. Most poeple see it as a passivness-behavor, the same as they see Jesus. But Jesus had boldness & authority while still being meek: when possibly 400men came into the garden & ask for Jesus, He meerly said, “I Am He” and they all fell backwards. Jesus was saying, to the unbeleiving morons of the world, that He has the power to destroy the world. However, He also said He was not a spoiled-brat that torn-up the gift that His Father gave Him, simply because it wasn’t the toy He wanted. —My personal definition of “love” is having more concern for something or someone than myself, or, as the Lord put it, “at lest as much”.

    • EW,..i just had to respond to a wonderful piece of Scripture, of Mighty Power Given To Our King,..in Luke 18 v 6,..actually says fell to the ground,…the same will happen when He Returns,only its Written in The Beautiful Way it is,..He Will smite with the Sword,and Who? can stand?….as He did back then in the Garden so will He do in the future in the Field,..and everyone will fall to the ground

    • Hi EW .. I read the other comments but wanted to respond here. The Father’s love is very deep with many characteristics that marks its perfection. There is no greater treasure .. and once you taste you see why. May you continue to know Him in truth and spirit .. thus know His deep love for you.

  2. E W here, —I said I must have more “love” than the Lord said to have. Because, for near 40yrs. I did not care much for myself & now at near the end of the law-of-averages, (according to public perception) It does not matter much what I think. Doctors & councilors cannot put out the internal fires of a war veteran, but Jesus can! For, He sent the Holy Councilor to show the scripture: “woe unto him that keeps his sword from blood” (it did not say with the exception of preachers & statesmen & their faimlies). He shown me “to obey the laws of your land”, to which, the decree was made, “one nation under God (where at the time, over 85% of American’s claimed the God of Abraham, Issac & Jacob” – “a government of the people, by the people and for the people” , to which, the Lord was telling me that I was the tool of His truth on the American people, Because they didnot proove-out what was going on for so-many years. And now, is the beginning of “will be judged by the judgement you give”. —The only thing I can now say to the Lord is “forgive us for we know not what we do”. However, the Lord replies, “I left all the word nessesary to have understanding”, However, “God consigned all men to sin that He may have mercy on them”, to which, all that can trully see their sin & repent to doing better for the Lord, will “eat of the fruit of their doing” throw this time of judgement!

    • EW,..just a comment on your original Laws and Constitution of you Mighty Nation,…and the laws enforced on you now.

      just as in my, once, free UK and governed by Common Law based on The Bible Law and Statutes……people turned away from God Almighty and through time,..Admiral Law/Maritime Law originally known as the Roman Law,..is the ‘law’ used in both our countries.

      and most of the citizens live happily and support being governed from Rome,..it might come as a shock to you Americans,..but truth is truth,..your president is a subordinate to his leader,the Monarch of england,who in turn is subordinate to her masters in The Vatican State.

      whether you all will have time to study and agree or disagree i dont know,..but i hope what is coming will help you understand who you/we are,…theres 10 lost Tribes throughout this world,..Scripture repeatly talks about them, in various ways/names and titles,..as i said they are ‘lost’…but,.. theres another group is known as ‘the daughter of babylon’..and if you can work out who she is and where she is,..well as Scripture points out, The daughter of Zion dwells happily with her,..and Scripture if we discern the seasons, is telling us The Almighty God is going bring Judgement to the country/countries where both these ‘daughters dwell’….and as its Written,..daughter zion will wonder why?

      and the answer is simple,..you have turned away from God Almighty, our lands are full of idols and detestable things,..that ‘we’ call good!

      those that have an ear and eyes,..do what Scripture tells us, repent and turn (without idols) to Our God with all your heart.

      • The Catholic Church so called is almost singly the only segment of the Christian Church who has stood up ‘publicly’ against the immoral laws of our President. So that I may, give honor where honor is due.

      • Are you serious,..here is the LEADER, The Emperor of Rome, YOUR PRESIDENTS,..COMMANDER,…..open your eyes especially at 3 minutes,…and open your ears

        Scripture calls them peeping Wizards,..very dishonorable if you ask me,..there is nothing good about that band and their number that rule this ‘world’ under satan from Rome,..nothing

      • Well, unfortunately, that would be your perveted personal conspiratorial view. But I can assure, you it’s not of God.
        .

      • well it all depends which ‘god’ your talking about,..i can assure you that the god of the IHS,( Isus Horus Set) Jesuit run roman church HQ on Vatican hill, worship the ‘sun god’…Helius/Ie’sus/Tammuz/Horus…all the son of the despicable pagan,……queen of heaven,..again not my words,.GOD ALMIGHTY’s Written WORD

        The Father Almighty, Most High God,Assures us of that, in His Scriptures.

      • I don’t think the President has anything to do with the Catholic Church.
        They are suing Him. If the Jesuits were in control, they certainly wouldn’t have him in office.

      • well with absolute respect to you,..you really do have to start to think.
        first of all lets get it straight,..your president is a 33 degree
        freemason,..do you know what that is?..and means

        as for you electoral system what can i say….its so un demon cratic its sad.

        anyways, the Monarchy of England, The Order of the Garter,..the freemasons above any USA puppet 33 degree mason,..own the land you walk and build on,..and have done from the ‘war of independence’,..have you never read the small print on the loan of money guarantee,..and the water mark on the paper that money was lent on ,..NO?,..i didnt think so,..cause then you would know you Americans pay Rome via england via city of London,..from that day til this very hour!

        The War arm Knights of Malta Commander overseas is none other than the nazi placed english queen,..and your president is her underling,..and they use our children/young men to do their dirty warmongering for them,..:( but truth is truth

        im actually laughing,..suing your very questionable birth/legality president

        answer me this easy question,..what Law are you ruled under in your great Babylonian USA,..the answer will tell you who your masters are?

        let me give you a clue,..its maritime/admiral law which is just ROMAN LAW,…

        oh for eyes that can see

      • oh and another easy question.

        who actually runs the ‘federal reserve bank’

        please do your research before you answer.

      • Complete nonsense. Conspiracy nonsense based on supposed rhetoric to instill fear in the ignorant.
        I will repeat. The Catholic Church is suing the President in the Courts over freedom of Religion.
        The Catholic Church stands for the Right to Life, and for true marriage between a man and a woman, and has been one of, the only Church groups to
        come against the government for promoting these ungodly acts.
        I suppose you think that, is the agenda of satan?
        Give me a break.

      • Anonymous,..what i have put up here is to give you some directional flesh insight for you eyes into the delusion of the strangle hold the roman church has in the ‘land of the free’…through courts and banks and pagan festivals held as ‘Holy Days’….and carried out by a bunch of men who are ALL, freemasons in the administration of your country,..and using your American sons and daughters to fight and kill unmercifully,other human beings in ,iraq,egypt,libya,etc…in its attempt to get this world ready for the unholy christ,..that is prophecied to come,…maybe the good God fearing Citizens of America should start suing its President/s and the Jesuits,guilty of hideous war crimes against humanity down every century, and the worse yet to come….if you cant do this or see this by simple study of history and good books,and by just discerning what has been done,..then there nothing more i can say to make you see with your flesh eyes.

        regardless of what you dont see with your flesh eyes,…theres also the ‘spiritual eyes’…you know the ones spoken of in Scripture,if they have ‘eyes to see’…..The Good Shepherd, gave warning after warning to throughout Scripture to, repent,and turn from our pagan/idol worship/ba’al worship ways,and turn to Him,and He will lead us back to His Father and His God,as Nations,..but also, individually,..with all our heart,and to seek Him diligently,everyday, learn His Word, and to separate ourselves,from ‘Babylon’ and even immediate family and friends if need be…..an to keep His 2 Commands He gave to us, to believe He rose from the dead,is Alive with The Father in Heaven and will Return at the appointed time to Rule This World,as King,..and to live in this faith and hope,….this will get
        you unto the path of salvation,…

        following unscrupulous men be they presidents or priests or men or women in general,will only lead you in the opposite path.

      • Basically speaking, your brainwashed with a bunch of satan’s lies, and a bunch of religious nonsense. It’s the same kind of hate speech that Hitler used in his speeches, and drove him to insanity.
        Your analysis of the Catholics is just like Hitler’s criticism of the Jews,
        by saying,- there is nothing good about them, their scum.
        That’s the hight of satan’s kingdom.
        It’s a full scale bunch of hypocrisy.

      • Anonymous,
        nonsense, eh?….even their own doctrine, the roman jesuits by own written words is worse,..WORSE against protestants,specifically protestants,…and i personally can witnesses to the murderous deeds and lengths they will go to eliminate,..or as they call it,..exterminate protestants

        and as for Hitler to the jews,..the Nazi party was started by the Roman hierarchy,..go study Hitlers Pope and tell me Rome had nothing to do with Hitler,..even in your own history books you should find,Mussolini as it is well documented saying hed rebuild the Roman Empire,..and right away created the Vatican State,..for its emperor/king Caesar,.even their stupid nazi salute is the same as the old roman hail caesar, USE YOUR EYES,..thats what they are in your head for!

        and use them to see Hitler COPIED the Roman Papacy with all his pomp and circumstance,..with him as ‘military pope’
        and he based his sun/sun or star/star SS totally on the jesuits

        and DO NOT fool yourself,..the Nazis sacrificed 6 million human beings to the ‘sun god’…saraficed humans,jews,protestants,roman catholics,..humans,…they washed them,killed them ‘cleanly’ and then cooked them,…human sacrifice,….and get yourself a decent dictionary,.and look up what holocaust means and look up what sacrifice means,…ohh i’ll save you the bother,..both mean the other

        i know you wont listen about the past,…so i’ll put it to you about the future,..the nazi’s have infiltrated the countrys they couldnt defeat,..and the horror or horror that they will unleash is that country demise with those people as their next sacrifice ….you when you read this,..and you see the main countries the Nazis couldnt defeat, crumble, in the not so far away future,.i’ll save you again with others asking,..why?,..why?…why has this happened to us?

        do what Scripture tells you,..turn from idolatry,false idols,wizards that peep,…repent and turn to God Almighty through His Son and Only His Son,..

      • The true error here, is not you personally, but the lies your reading. It’s very easy, to re-write history, take a picture of Hitler shaking hands with a Catholic priest, and say “see, they’re in it together”. I don’t guess it may have crossed your mind (and that’s not an iron cross) that the Catholic priest may have been there to save millions of lives, of innocent people. And possibly change Hitler’s mind. There is a lot of error in many churches, mainly due to it having to be, organized, and having to be based on some type of authority. But to be seeing a Nazi behind every bush, is not worthy of a man of God, (meaning you) and to see a fool in every Catholic bishop, is a tremendously naive assumption. My thought, as a man of God is, quit reading hate speech. Go to a Catholic priest, meet him and sit down and talk to him. It’s not a world conspiracy, and you are too smart to believe it.
        As far as Hitler, the real truth is, he was into “the occult” and had occultists predicting to him, that he was the messiah. He used the crosses to make people think, he was linked to the Church. That was the beginning of the deception.

  3. EW here, —I realize, truth of God, spoken by anyone, will not be understood by another person unless the Holy Spirit decrees it. However, on certain subjects, I am compelled to speak. —The world does not yet see that God has again made a change of the guard. —1929 the beast from ground made sure the son of perdition was reinstated – “when he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say “Come!” and I saw and behold, a black horse and its rider had a balance in his hand(and found the world wanting); and I heard what seemed to be a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying “a quart of wheat for a denarius and three quarts of barley for a dearius;but do not harm oil and wine!” After the fourth seal opening(1941) and the fifth seal opening(1945) God reinstated the Jews and the United states/two horn goat has been on a steady decline.

  4. EW,..heres 2 great breakdowns basically going over most of what you say,..and i agree alot with you,…ones about how the beast kingdom rules you and i and the other is good teaching for those especially in America,..to repent now,..just before the time of testing and judgement comes upon those still with their faces towards the Babylonian false idols,..instead of Our Wonderful Father and His Son

  5. EW here, I know there is much truth in what you say about world powers of today, for I also am deep into history(this is how we know scripture fulfillment). However, most people cannot handle the blunt of truth and delusion comes from cutting our study short. Daniel ch.9 & 10 is where most end-time delusion comes from. I have yet to encounter a person that has heard from the Lord the same as I have. Therefor, I keep it to myself until I am sure the Lord wants me to speak. The Lord’s end-time prophesies are in process and nothing an individual or group does will stop it. Therefore, the only thing a beleiver can do(that is worthwhile) is to try and make people see that Peter said, “we are scarcely saved”.

    • I think the greatest delusion that satan uses, is to get the Church focused on delusion, instead of focused on Light.
      Jesus said, Walk in the Light (righteousness) while you have the Light,
      the night cometh when no man can work.
      He never said, run from darkness, and hide from it in the shadows.
      If ” I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto Me “.
      The Lord told Elijah, I have thousands who have not bowed the knee unto Bale. Food for thought.
      One thousand shall fall at thy side, but it shall not come near thee.

      • EW,..this is for you personally,..learn and study all you can of Scripture, especially in the Old Testament,backwards forwards,its fodder for lost sheep.
        EVERYTHING,..thats EVERYTHING has been already Written and Foretold in Prophecy ,Our Saviour declared it!..the understanding and revealing of it comes bit by bit,a little here and a little there,not all at once or,.. TOO QUICKLY!..so we can grow spiritually,..and only by ‘eating’ the bread and strong meat thats hard to stomach,shall that seed be nurtured enough to grow strong,..the understanding of Prophecy and Parables,only comes through one particular attribute of the Holy Spirit,and that is the spirit of Messiah,..which will also feed you on the hidden manna,fine wine and honey,…

        you dont have to speak out,..though it burns you too,..that what Our Father likes…the time is not yet!…the same for the disciples in the last lines of Luke and Acts is the same message to us, tarry,wait,be patient,STAY with the ‘city’,..(those with houses built like yourself)…and wait till the fire is lit as in Acts 2,..and id say as a brother,go study Gideon,..and his army,..and a hidden flame within a clay jar!,..and wait and tarry till the commander of commanders tells everyone at the same time,the same order!…

        patience,…..patience…and more patience,..that old ‘church’ group in Rev 3 has patience!

      • The Spirit of Messiah?
        Is that a fourth Spirit?

      • anonymous,
        There is Only One, The Holy Spirit

        God The Father,Most High,The Blessed One
        God,His Son,Messiah,King,Shepherd,Rock,Teacher,The Righteous One….
        and
        The Awesome Holy Spirit.

        what is it you dont understand?,..do you read Scripture?

        or have you been sent that spirit of stupor?

        that many that are in,especially those that accept and defend those that would profess the queen of heaven and her son,and make claims to be something they are not,and burden their followers with all sorts of hocus pocus wizardry, nonsense….and feed on the spirit of anti-Messiah.

        im sure if you search through the posts you will find i only profess, Father,Son and Holy Spirit.

        no 4th,..anyone teaching a 4th is teaching from their own heart and mind,..i cant answer for them,..nor would i want too

      • particular attribute of the Holy Spirit,and that is the spirit of Messiah,..

        Your quote which is right in line with Rachel.

      • Anonymous,…so you say,

        you got to take from Rachel what she says,..about the ‘spirit of christ’……of that youd have to ask her,..im really not sure,if its a separate spirit and not part of the Holy Spirit,..then id be further than east from west from her,in a straight line,be the only line.

        and what i say about the ‘Spirit of Messiah’

        and discern it against Scripture!

      • The Spirit of Christ. The Spirit of Jesus.
        Is the Holy Spirit distinct from Jesus?
        That’s what you need to discern.
        Jesus was a Spirit and the Holy Spirit descended on Him, in the form of a Dove. So you have two.
        You might discern it a different way, depending on your view point.
        So discern it together.
        If two of you shall be gathered in my name, their am I in the midst of you. So that’s in Jesus name, not the name Holy Spirit.
        So, is it Jesus spirit in your midst or the Holy Spirit?

      • Anonymous,
        absolutely, no problem,its always the best way to let Scripture prove itself true.Its a very interesting subject,..as id say,.or ..compare it to the Two different Gospels in Scripture,..but very very different,yet both so much the same you wouldnt even notice!…but lets do it with gentleness and respect….and always with Scripture.

        again just to make a point of two different yet same,..You posted “and the Holy Spirit descended on Him, in the form of a Dove”. Matt 3 v16..Mark 1 v 10-12 (note verse 12)

        Luke 3 v 22,..gives a little more,..it says “….in BODILY FORM…like a dove”……….

        you post .”.(So you have two)”…..yes of course,..and from that moment on, Immanuel,done and said everything by/with. The Holy Spirit……

        till His Death,….so lets jump forward three and a half years, 1 Peter 3 v 18,..”He was made alive by The Spirit”

        again this would show its The Holy Spirit making Him alive,..not His Own beautiful spirit.

        rather and go on to far,..lets see where and if we disagree on what ive posted,….

        Brian

      • the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,

        No, it was His spirit (the Spirit of Jesus) that made him alive, by whom
        in verse 19 He went and preach to the spirits in prison.

      • What is Scripture to back up what you say,..or is it just your own thoughts?

        “but made alive by the Spirit”

        just to be 100 % clear, ..’by The Spirit’ ..your saying its not The Holy Spirit that made Him alive, so He could descend down to the bottomless pit to preach to the fallen angels there?

        is that all you disagree with me on regarding only my previous post?

      • I think so, yes.
        And I am not saying there are no other viewpoints.
        But, what I am saying is. Jesus spirit was alive, just as the spirits
        in prison were alive (the righteous saints of the OT. were alive)
        (This was not to preach to those in the pits of Hell, but to Abraham, David, Isaac, etc. in Paradise below the earth.

        1 Peter 3:19 by whom He (Jesus Spirit) went and preached
        to the ‘spirits’ in Prison.
        (meaning Abraham, David, etc)

        Matthew 22:32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

        Mark 12:27 “He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly mistaken.”

      • Anonymous,….with respect you are quoting Scripture without discerning it,..or even reading the verses before and after what you posted,..both Matthew and Mark is about after Resurrection …the fathers knew fine well they would be dead until then,..just like they have to wait for us,..we have to wait for them,..Scripture is quite clear in the order of resurrection,…and everyone, should greatly go discern that order,..and take warning from those that taught a different version of Resurrection

        Matthew 22 v 31 and Mark 12 v 26 ..referring to after Resurrection, AFTER His return

        and lets be clear, Immanuel, is the Judge, of the living and the
        dead.

        His Father is of course God of The Living,..the dead cant praise God Almighty,..they are dead,.they know not anything…they are not in some paradise under the earth,..that purgatory/netherworld for HUMANS,is a roman papacy doctrine teaching,..not Biblical

        BUT lets not stray from the same mistake you have made greatly when you post..”
        1 Peter 3:19 by whom He (Jesus Spirit) went and preached

        to the ‘spirits’ in Prison.
        (meaning Abraham, David, etc)

        Abraham, David etc ????? REALLY..?????..you are greatly mistaken

        would you like to go and read the verse after v 19,..and i mean 1 Peter 3 v 20,…and post it.

        as i said let Scripture prove itself True

      • The context that Jesus is speaking of, is present tense.
        You are out of context, in your reading.

        In these verses the Pharisees, were telling Jesus the same thing that you just told me.
        That’s when Jesus corrected them, and that’ is why they were astonished in the verse below.
        Because Jesus told them-
        God is not the the God of the dead.

        God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” 33 And when the multitudes heard [this,] they were astonished at His teaching.

    • EW,..all i can say to you,is,ive studied Daniel too,..fantastic Book,

      i’ll say my understanding of it, isnt alot different from yours,.i know cause ive read your posts……what i think our difference is,..we have got to realise in all Scripture its painting the same picture over and over again,..BUT…its like a huge Picture,..and then a smaller, but still big picture (the one your are saying)…but theres a smaller picture yet again.

      nothing can stop what is Written,..it must take place…if we were to put what is to come in Daniel,..or discern what is coming to Our Fathers, Enemy as painted in quite clear black and white in Ezekiel …and that Book of Jeremiah,..if discerned greatly,matches what you posted and Peter said,…and is said over and over again, A Remnant will be left,….and if discerned else where in Scripture,though some through Grace and cutting short of days,certainly not by ourselves or any church system.

    • The context that Jesus is speaking of, is present tense.
      You are out of context, in your reading.

      • anonymous lets well lets concentrate, on what we set out to do,

        have you read 1 Peter 3 v20 yet,..and seen that you were not even near context…..and be clear that what you posted is not what Scripture says? ..at all,.. never mind wrong context

      • The context that Jesus is speaking of, is present tense.
        You are out of context, in your reading.

        In these verses the Pharisees, were telling Jesus the same thing that you just told me.
        That’s when Jesus corrected them, and that’ is why they were astonished in the verse below.
        Because Jesus told them-
        God is not the the God of the dead.

        God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” 33 And when the multitudes heard [this,] they were astonished at His teaching.

      • The verse is Matthew 22:32,33

      • Anonymous,…it was you that asked for this,.

        YOU POSTED
        1 Peter 3:19 by whom He (Jesus Spirit) went and preached
        to the ‘spirits’ in Prison.
        (meaning Abraham, David, etc)

        NIRV Bible,1 Peter 3 v 18 19 20,..PLEASE NOTE VERSE 20
        and compare it to what you say, Abraham David etc,..WHERE AND WHAT BIBLE DID YOU GET THIS FROM??….its the fallen angel spirits that disobeyed,and had children with human women, fathers of the things,known as nephlim,..

        18 Christ died for sins once and for all time. The One who did what is right died for those who don’t do right. He died to bring you to God. His body was put to death. But the Holy Spirit brought him back to life.

        19 By means of the Spirit, Christ went and preached to the spirits in prison. 20 Long ago they did not obey. God was patient while Noah was building the ark.

      • You asked what scriptures can I give to show what is supporting my understanding of the Word.
        I gave you the verses that Jesus taught.
        As of yet, I have not gotten a response, to what I gave you, that the Lord taught about the subject.
        This is in Matthew 22:32&33.

        Here is the reference Jesus saying-

        32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

        Here He has just said, they are alive!! Now.
        That is the context of the statement.

        1 Peter 318& 19 doesn’t change anything about my statements.
        No fallen angels are saved by Christ.

        Concerning your comments now on 1 Peter, this is not a referrence to Angels, or fallen angel spirits. You added that, it’s not in the word.

        This is what is being said, in context or meaning. (Below)

        The following refence in 1 Peter is 3 about men, not angels.

        20 who in ancient times had been disobedient, while God’s longsuffering was patiently waiting in the days of Noah during the building of the Ark, in which a few persons–eight in number–were brought safely through the water. 21 And, corresponding to that figure, the water of baptism now saves you–

        What he is saying here, is that Christ went and preached to the eight souls, who were saved by the water’s of the Flood. Namely Noah and his family. ( He said– and, corresponding to that “figure”, or “number”)
        a remnant shall be saved (namely you) through faith in Christ today.

  6. EW here, I would like to leave this with all who would search for truth. Ask Jesus to send the Holy Counselor! —All who do their own study know the great beast: head of gold, through the legs of iron. Dan.7:24 “the 10 horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise:and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first and he shall subdue three kings.” Rome, at it’s peek, was made from 10 Barbarian tribes. Rome, as a one world power, desolved in 476 and returned to being 10 individual countries: Alamanni(Germany), Visigoth(Spain), Frank(France), Suevi(Portugal), Burgundian(Switzerland), Anglo Saxon(England), Lombard(Italy), Ostrogoth, Vandal and Heruli, of which, “they will enter marry, but will not cleave together” (so-much for another one world government). Dan7:8 “I considered the horns and, BEHOLD, there came up AMONG them another LITTLE HORN(vatican city-109 areas the smallest nation in the world), before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots; and, BEHOLD, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man and a mouth speaking great things” —any history teacher worth his salt will tell you that the Ostrogoth, Vandal and Heruli were completely destroyed by papul-Rome. Antichrist=teaching contary to Jesus: the book of Daniel & Revelation, by themselves, give twelve prophesy points where by to identify the son of perdition, there are other points in the other books of scripture; ALL denominational religion follows in some of these(building of seclusion, with likeminded people, one person standing before the rest giving his oppinion as the word of God). “and the whole world wondered after the beast and worshipped his image” —Rev 13:1 “and I SAW A BEAST RISING OUT OF THE SEA with 10 horns and seven heads, with 10 diadems upon its horns and a blasphemous name upon its heads.” Rev.17:15 “the WATERS that you saw, where the harlot is seated, are PEOPLES, MULTITUDES, NATIONS and TONGUES.” —look a little further, Rev.13:11 “then I saw another BEAST which rose out of the earth, it had two horns(governing factions- religious & civil liberty) like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.” this beast should be simple for anyone to see, however, what groups of people did the United States derive from? “it works great signs, even making fire come down from heaven on to Herroshama & Nagasacie. —But look a little further, Rev.16:13 “and I saw, issuing from the mouth of the dragon(pope) and from the mouth of the beast(followers of church-system) and from the mouth of the false prophet(muslem rose in 622), three foul spirits like frogs: for they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God Almighty(opening of the sixth seal) Rev.14:13 “Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord henceforth, Blessed indeed, says the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!” — In Jerusalem, within two blooks of each other, is a temple of supposed-christianty, a muslem temple and the wall of worship without Jesus. “So strong as to fool who? Dan.10:12 “Fear not, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your mind to understand and humbled yourself before your God, your words have been heard.”

  7. anonymous …

    Matthew 22 v 32 – 33…..i did respond to it,..God The Father is God of The Living and His Son is Judge of the living and the dead.

    you are in error again,..it wasnt present tense,..it was Him referring to the past till what is Written about the future and The Resurrection.

    and you are in error,if you say the Resurrection has taken place,..Abraham knew from his time about the Resurrection of the dead to come, Hebrews 11 v 19,..and a whole lot more ..and understood it if youd care to read it

    you were/are in error,great error when you said of 1 Peter 3 18 -19,..He went and preached to Abraham and David,..when Scripture in verse 20 say the spirits that were disobedient when the ark was being built,…Abraham already knew,..and as for king David certainly wasnt around at that time,but he knew more than most as the Psalms prove over and over and over again
    ..so that is error on a few parts on your behalf,..your just disregarding The Written Word,..and the time of events and people,..so you do have to change your statements or thoughts not to match me or mine …just Scripthttps://stirringthedeep.com/category/goodness-2/ure

    as for the fallen angels,in the ‘prison’…i certainly did not add it

    and again you presume quite alot,…let the Judge who has all power over all angels,..fallen or not,…both are in the Word,..Jude verse 6,..arent even judged yet,..so who can tell,..you know God Our Father is full of mercy and love,..and is His Son, the Judge.

    and the Resurrection of the dead hasnt happened yet either!

    • Yes He is the God of the living, and judge of the dead.
      But, he is not the God of the dead.
      Satan is the God of the dead.
      I quoted you the words of Jesus.
      I wasn’t quoting myself.

  8. .Anonymous…….with respect you misquoted.

    and again your in error when you quote

    “satan is the god of the dead”

    where in Scripture does it say that?

    you are over looking alot,..could you address for me in order to keep order…you accused me of adding the perception of ‘fallen angels’ in prison,..and Our Dear Saviour judgement of fallen angels

    as for the fallen angels,in the ‘prison’…i certainly did not add it

    and again you presume quite alot,…let the Judge who has all power over all angels,..fallen or not,…both are in the Word,..Jude verse 6,..arent even judged yet,..so who can tell,..you know God Our Father is full of mercy and love,..and is His Son, the Judge.

    have you read Jude yet,

    and are you still saying when He was Alive in Spirit He went and talked to Abraham and David?

    you need to clear this up.

    so we can move on to get back to our original debate.

    • Satan is the God of the dead, that’s mentioned probably a hundred times or more in the New Testament. I would have to assume you would have read that.
      I wouldnn’t be able to clear that up for you if your that off base scriptually.

  9. Formerly disobedient, means formerly to the time of Jesus.
    All men were considered in disobedience, but it says that Noah found grace
    in the eyes of the Lord. He got drunk the day after the flood, so he was not perfect
    but found grace.

    • Anonymous,..no i havent read it,..as ive always said,you assume to much,..a hundred times or more you say?…show/post me just one,please.

      satan is a fallen angel,…hes nothing more,..and even i spiritually know, his time is short.

      The God of The Living…..dosent mean men that are alive,..it means God of The Spiritually Alive,..Our Father is a Spirit God and you are the one of base if you havent read that hundred times or even once,to understand it….or even understand it

      satan is ruler to those spiritually dead inside,..what is it you dont understand about that,..you got to ask yourself, are just like the Sadducess, Immanuel was speaking to in Matthew 22 ??

      • When you become alive spritually, you never die again.

      • Anonymous
        would that statement of yours not alter Scripture a tad and make the Resurrection of the dead, a different teaching and dare i say it,a nonsense?.

        you, Rachel or even myself can give our thoughts, on an Actual Second Coming ans The Resurrection,…what either of us cant do is change Scripture,which has, As Our Father does, has everything in order,..and its Written in order it will happen in that order, its Written.,…and as yet,Only His One and Only Son has achieved that!,..well according to my Bible,and no one,upon no one will achieve the same until, His Second Appearing and Glory.

      • That would depend on if you were referring to flesh,
        or spirit.

    • anonymous
      2 Peter 2…. v.4 and 5

  10. Anonymous,
    did you get a chance to post one place out of the hundred in Scripture you claim,..satan the fallen angel,is,.. in your words, ‘god of the dead’?

    • When the Word of God says, You were buried with him in baptism,-
      does that mean,- you were buried with Satan,- or buried with Jesus?
      Which one were you buried with?

  11. Anonymous,

    well again if i may, id say your badly misquoting or discerning Scripture incorrectly.

    Immanuel wasnt buried as such,..as Scripture would say, placed in a new tomb,..but we can call it buried,..and His Spirit madealivewith The Holy spirit went down into the depths of the earth (NOT THE GRAVE),..and after 3 days and nights His Father brought Him Back up again,..to Glorifiy Him in His Heavenly Spirit Body,first born of the dead,..thats first born of the dead,..from that day to this, He, Immanuel is the Only One to receive His Immortal Glorified Spirit and Body,..and no other human else,will receive theirs until His Return,in All His Glory,..to preform His and His alone Glory,..and that my dear friend is to take up Kingship for evermore as King of this Planet,..and raise the dead to life,..in ORDER….save to say the 2 ‘Witnesses’ that die are brought to life and took up to Heaven,..but we got to discern that whoever they are,are not just normal human, but are chosen ones,and will be filled with the Holy Spirit,..yet they still die.
    ..and they will be the first from the day and hour Our Wonderful King was took up to take His Rightful Throne beside His God and His Father,from the mount of Olives,..to then,..to be visibly removed alive from this planet to Heaven!

    as for me,..this old flesh of mine is dead and dying,..and all thanks and Glory,be to My Father Most High, through His Son,..and my little spirit grows as He Teaches me with and by The Wonderful Wonderful Holy Spirit,and my blinded eyes, are spiritually opened,..but i fully realise as a day was set for me to be born,.as day has been set for me to die,..and be buried,..and i will remain, that way, dead, body,soul asleep,..until my Resurrection,.to judgement and hopefully eternal life,..should it be at His Second Coming,..or indeed after 1000 years at the 2nd Resurrection.

    as for satan,..he’s alive and certainly not buried,..Scripture has him as ‘ruler/god of this ‘world’ ,..in fact,come the endtimes hes going to be roaring about like a lion,..looking to devour someone.

    and all be it,..he is going to be hmmm, entombed and chained in the bottomless pit,..for a 1000 years,.call it buried if you like,..but hes still not dead and will be loosed for a time.

    i’ll warn you again,..its a false teaching about any Resurrection of the dead and buried until the Actual Second Coming,..it hasnt happened and wont happen till then,..well unless Scripture is wrong, and you and others are right ,..but i will stick to Scripture and the plain and simple order things must happen in,..in order to happen

    • That’s the most terrible, awful thing I’ve ever heard. I really pray you’ll allow Jesus to come into your heart, so you can be born again, into His eternal kingdom, and be baptised with him in death, and raised with Him today, unto eternal life.
      That’s a terrble awful conndemnation your under, to be bound unto death in Satan, when God has made provision for your salvation.

      • Anonymous,

        The Truth can be as hard to hear,..as it is to see,..its not wishy washy tickly ears and dainty meat Scripture that will set you free….no its terrible meaty Truth for the stomach for the stomach for meaty Truth,…

      • Gospel means good news.

  12. Not sure what I was misquoting.

    Colossians 2: 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

  13. Anonymous …you posted ….

    “When you become alive spiritually, you never die again”.

    hmmm,….it depends what you mean,..im reading what you say as if you cant die and your spirit,sleep.,….awaiting Resurrection when Our Dear Lord Returns in All His Kingly Glory,..then yes you are misquoting….

    1 Cor 15 v23

    But every man in his own order: The Messiah, the firstfruits; afterward they that are The Messiahs at His Coming.

    (also if you notice The Messiah,and of course we know He is the first,..but what group would you put yourself in, first fruits?…or everyone else at His Second Coming?)..and i mean The Second Coming described in Rev 19,..not the one Rachel would suggest.)

    AND,..note again, below (not all sleep,..in a twinkling ,..when at The Last Trump)…and if you had cared to read on to Col 3,..again is Scripture proving itself True,..and everyone and anyone that says different, a liar!

    1Cor 15 v51-52

    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    Col 3 v 4

    4 When The Messiah , who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

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