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Christ’s Spirit as Lightning

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Christ’s Spirit as Lightning

Luke 17:24 For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day.

Psalm 18:19 He also brought me out into a broad place; He delivered me because He delighted in me.

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Author: Rachel

My passion is cultivating a deep relationship with God and helping others to do the same. I LOVE sharing with others insights that God has taught me and hearing what God has taught them... thus my blog, Stirring the Deep. My focus is on a relationship, not a religion. Life is in the relationship. I believe in a balance and unity of body, mind and spirit. I feel it's important to nurture all three for they all affect each other. I try to live in the present, where the Holy Spirit is. And I try to do all with the motive of love. I've come to believe life is a journey and not a destination. It isn't about perfection, is it about growth.

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  1. Rachel,..hi,..maybe you missed my post on you tube,..so ill post it here aswell,..ni the last few videos youve done ive noticed an increase of, hmm maybe Scripture being took out of context or getting words and phrases and who is who slightly mixed up,..and also future events, The Holy Spirit and The Kingdom,..again its a search for Truth,.not you or i being right or wrong,..just Scripture proving itself True?,..surely that is and must be all our aim!?

    Rachel could it be you are getting mixed up in The Holy Spirit,..The Kingdom…and The actual Return of The King of Kings,..maybe you overlooked The Glory that is His and His Alone at His Glorious Return,.your thoughts in this video take away from this!,…

    2Thess Jude and Rev, to name but a few passages of NT Scripture that would be contrary to your thoughts,..never mind the many in OT

    be careful, this ‘spirit’ of christ you put across isnt the ‘spirit’ of the anti christ

    maybe before you respond,..you could consider greatly what you are saying and what is Written which from what you are saying are coming across as saying is contradicting

    2 Thessalonians 2:8

    And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Immanuel will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

    Jude 1:14

    Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones

    Revelation 1:7

    “Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be!

    • Hi Brian – My purpose isn’t to debate back and forth so you know why I don’t really get involved in them 🙂 I’ve never found that very productive as the Spirit is the one that truly teaches each one of us. Isa 58:4 If I don’t understand something, I go to God with it and let Him reveal the truth to me.

      I share as a witness to the truths God reveals to me. Truth comes from revelation; not human deduction or human intellect. I trust God to teach me what, when and how because He assembles the truth perfectly. I don’t try to figure out — I ask then trust Him to build it in me as He desires. Truth is built layer upon layer and only God knows what layer I need next to grasp the depth of His truths. Which I’m finding of late are very deep.

      Thus, the words I speak whether in video or blog are built on the mountain of truth that God Himself has built in me over years of time spent one-on-one with Him. I’ve seen Him assemble it so beautifully, integrateing my life and all that is around me. Truly my life is woven into the Word of life. Therefore, some person doesn’t convince me that what I say is right or wrong .. I fully trust God to reveal the truth to me. I feast on the flesh (word) and the blood (spirit) of Christ; not the words/spirit of man.

      Nothing I say contradicts the frameworks of truth that God has built based on His Word. From the same Bible there are many intepetations … this is how there are so many religions and denominations …. because people try to understand by their own resources and not by the Holy Spirit. So what I say fits scripture, but not your framework that you are laying on scripture .. see the difference? My words only seem mixed up because it doesn’t fit your framework. Now my whole understanding isn’t in each blog or contain in this blog – that would be impossible. But I share a bit as led by the Spirit to do so for His purposes. As I trust the Spirit to teach me, I trust the Spirit to teach others. Again, I feel called to proclaim and be a witness to all the amazing truths He is manifesting in my life.

      I wanted to explain where I was coming from; so you know why I go get into this back and forth debate with things I’ve already addressed … when our frameworks are different in these areas.

      • Rachel,..thank you for your reply.
        it is not my intention to get into a back and forth debate,nor would i ever suggest you listen to anyone other than the Holy Spirit,..we are all on the same path,…we can simply tell each other if we apply the we are either for the Lord or against Him,..ive no doubt that you and i are for The Lord,.and Worship His Father through Him.
        and neither can help the other if we have wood chippings in our
        eyes
        i suppose when you post videos on you tube and here, with ,may i say, some very very good explanations.With all public forums if you put something up,especially with Scripture you should be prepared to accept constructive criticism,..and if that is suggesting you are straying from Scripture,..then you should be able to correct it or solidly defend it with Scripture.

        in your sharings,..you have created a ‘christs spirit’ and The
        Holy Spirit,..when in Scripture, both are exactly the same,..

        maybe you shoukd ask The One and Only Teacher to show you through His Spirit/Holy Spirit,..that He is the King of the Kingdom,..He will return in All His Glory,..with His Angels and
        start The Kingdom here on earth in the last days of this age,.
        The Kingdom,..and Our Lords Return is 2 very separate things,..we need to be careful not to take away from The Lords
        Glory,…and the hope of His Return to set up the Kingdom,..the very very important thing to get you through the next lot of years,is hope!

        the reign of the visible anti christ must take place,…the famine of The Holy Spirit must take place,.a severe tribulation must take place,woes and troubl like never been seen before,…a 42 month ministry of The witnesses must take place,..the sign of His imminent Return must take place,..before His Return,..in All His Glory

        and when He does,..the ‘jews’ will ask, Him,..about the holes still in His Hands.

        as ive said im only interested in Scripture being correct,..if you do a little more study into this, you might see how you are slightly out of sinc with Scripture by what your saying,and surely even we can agree the Scripture must be adhered too,and will always prove itself true

      • Hi Thesher – regarding Christ’s Spirit, have you checked out these verses?

        Romans 8:9-10
        But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

        1 Peter 1:11
        searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.

        Hebrews 9:14
        how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

        The idea of Christ’s spirit entering us makes a lot of sense to me in terms of the “seed” that was sown and the “new mind” we receive in him.

      • Hi Brian – you have many many points … they will be addressed in God’s timing on this blog/videos. God is building a foundation of truth on this site and it is built over time. He has the perfect pace. Please be patient. I follow His lead on when and what to write… so it may not cover all your answers or objections as they go into areas He is not leading me to write about yet. I hope this makes sense. It isn’t about me explaning everything here at once .. that isn’t the soul purpose, so I trust and must trust His lead. The answers will come …

      • Just a couple of thoughts…

        You say the kingdom and the Christ’s coming are separate .. … I have said, that Him coming to those vessels prepared, the elect, is the start of His kingdom on earth – His righteous reign. For the darkness to be destroyed the light must be here in the souls of mankind, something we’ve yet to see, but soon will. Again, different frameworks, so no need to keep rehashing the same thing.

        Yes all these things must take place, before the fullness of His reign. I agree. Though the fullness of His glory is when He has complete reign over the earth and death is destroyed which is a process which occurs by those other things you listed .. famine, tribulation, etc.

        As for the Holy Spirit and Christ Spirit … they are separate but one. Christ’s spirit in Jesus was the fullness of God .. thus had the Holy Spirit (female side), and Highest Spirit, King, (male side). Luke 1:35 The Holy Spirit is a part of the Father … as mirrored in His creation as Eve was a part of Adam. They were one, but separate to reveal different sides. God is love … in being these two sides He has love within Himself. Christ had both .. the fullness … and His brethren will have both as well. And they will share in His glory; 1 John 3:2, John 17:21-23 .. They are partakers of that glory. In this they can truly honor Him. This is just the beginning of a beautiful plan.

        Nothing I say takes from His glory, but adds to it. The words God is sharing are beautiful .. I hope you can see that. I can’t wait to share more as He leads.

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    Those who are not resisting his plan will be changed, in the same way Jesus was at His resurrection.
    This is evidenced when meditating on the Shroud of Turin.
    2 Cor 6:12 You are not restricted by us, but you are restricted by your own affections.
    Coloss 3:2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the Earth.

    • Thanks .. interesting and yes that is the point .. those who are being prepared with the oil of truth by the Holy Spirit to receive Christ’s Spirit.

      • two points.
        those who are being prepared with
        the oil of truth by the Holy Spirit
        to receive Christ’s Spirit
        empowered and enflamed.

        Luke 8:46 But Jesus said, Somebody touched Me,
        for I perceived power going out from Me.
        1 Cor 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word but in power.

  3. Thoughware,.have you checked them,..or these below that maybe are easyier to understand,..i totally disagree with Rachel interpretation and your agreement, for 2 reasons,..it dosent agree with Scripture ..and there is not a Christ Spirit and a Holy Spirit,..Scripture is Clear The Spirit in Christ was The Holy Spirit ,..TOTALLY ,..Rachel and you change that if you want,..but i will not be going down that path with you,..and i say to you,..its Scripture that describes the ‘seed’ and new mind,..try to understand it with the Teacher and through the Holy Spirit,..do not go changing it

    John 10:30

    30 I and My Father are ONE

    Ephesians 2:18
    For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

    John 14:17
    the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know Him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

    John 15:26
    [ The Work of the Holy Spirit ] “When the Advocate comes, whom I (NOTE I)….will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me…..(I will send you from the Father the Spirit of Truth)..

    Romans 8:11
    And if the Spirit of HIM who raised Immanuel from the dead is living in you, He who raised The Messiah from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of His Spirit who lives in you. (Who Raised The Lord from death?),..because its saying that Spirit is in you,..I say its The Holy Spirit,,..You??

    1John 4 13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of His Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Immanuel is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. (GOD lives in them)

    my problem with Rachel and your thoughts are you are making the mistake that The Spirit of Christ and The Holy Spirit ,The Spirit of Truth, The Eternal Spirit, the Spirit of The Lord ,The Spirit of God,The Spirit of Prophecy, The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord,The Spirit of Glory..there is not 2

    AND,

    for even the dullest of us..(regarding the Prophesied end times,..THE SPIRIT OF YOUR FATHER,..THAT is The Holy Spirit,..what is is you dont understand?

    Matthew 10:20
    for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

    Isaiah 11,..is Prophesy,..The Branch is The Messiah, The King O Israel,..The Holy Chosen One of God Almighty, The Father Most High ,..read and discern what Spirit is in Him,..Read The Gospels and see what Spirit Descended on Him,.in Bodily form

    1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;
    from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
    2 The Spirit of the Lord will rest on him—
    the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,
    the Spirit of counsel and of might,
    the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the Lord—
    3 and he will delight in the fear of the Lord.

    He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,
    or decide by what he hears with his ears;
    4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy,
    with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.
    He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth;
    with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.
    5 Righteousness will be his belt
    and faithfulness the sash around his waist.

    a warning to you all,..watch for the Spirit of stupor,..its God Almightys aswell
    and watch out for the spirit of antichrist,..itll tickle your ears,..and the spirit of prostitution..and especially that old spirit of Jezebel,..that is rife in these days!

  4. heres something we all need to discern,..the flesh,..The Son of God came in the flesh,..a body, NOT an invisible Spirit,…He Rose from the Grave, in a body,.went to Heaven to be Glorified for a few days…returned in His Glorified body and in Scripture described as ‘flesh and bone’ for the rest of the 40 days before his Ascension, and take His Place as King of Heaven, ,…the Same Messiah King is Written will come again in Acts,..in the flesh,the jews will even ask about the holes still in His Hands.

    i acknowledge all 3 ..He came in The Flesh,..He Arose in The Flesh, and He will Return in The Flesh,..in All His Non Thief,.. Heavenly Glory.

    1 John 4:2
    This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that the Messiah Immanuel has come in the flesh is from God,

    2 John 1:7
    I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Immanuel the Messiah as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

  5. Luke 20:41 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David’s son? 42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool. 44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?

  6. Anonymous,…you will understand the same way they didnt,..until you seek the Truth with The Holy Spirit,..and It with reveal to you Who was speaking to Who.

    When you understand The Majesty and The King..or The Blessed One and The Righteous One,..or just The Father and The Son,..you might ,just might start to understand!

    • You just stated (above) that the Son of God, came Not as an Invisible Spirit,
      and now you are saying seek Truth, With The Holy Spirit.
      Which is it?

  7. anonynous,..The Scripture states The Son of God Came in The Flesh..was Baptisted by The Holy Spirit,Ministered, died ..Rose from the dead by The Holy Spirit.., Ascended ,..and Will Return the same Way, to the same place The Same,….

    now its Rachels blog but shes suggesting He Returning now in secret,..which if you read Scripture,..thats not the same as said,

    The Messiah, The Holy Spirit,……..The Kingdom and His Actual Return are different things

    The Messiah is The Teacher, The Only Teacher,..and Teaches us Through /ViaThe Holy Spirit.

    what is so hard to understand about that?

    • What I’m asking is, who is the Holy Spirit to you?
      If He is teaching you, He is Invisible.

      • The God Almighty, Father Most High,is The God of Spirits,He as plainly described in Scripture is in Heaven,.on His Majesty Throne,..described as Invisible,..but if discerned enough, He’s Not,..but we a horrible little sinners cannot have access to Him, He has turned His Face from us.

        He However,..has provided a King,a Redeemer, a Saviour, A Holy Priest,..A Teacher,..for us to be brought back to Him,.His Son,King of Heaven, sat on His own Throne on the Right Hand of His,The Father ,He was sent to earth in Bodily form, and was Took up to Heaven in Bodily form as Witnessed and well documented by The Apostles,2000 years ago,..and is still there,..and as Scripture VERY PLAINLY states He will be there until all that is Written regarding the end times and great Tribulation comes to pass (read Rev,) dont take my word for it, and Returns in Great Glory to be King of this Earth and The Kingdom He will Establish, the visible part here on earth ,..and restore it and and that Kigdom we pray for will not,..thats will not according to Scripture and even what you posted in Luke will not be fully complete until death is no more,..thats 1000 years after, His Return (youll see that in Revelation, and it fullfills what is Written in luke and The Psalms

        So we Have

        God the Father, Majesty of Heaven, The Blessed One.

        God the Son, The messiah, the lord, the lamb of God, King of Heaven and future Kingdom on Earth ( OT,NT,and Rev)
        (He is not Invisible, Its well documented His Hair Colour, his Eye Colour, His Skin Colour,His Robe Colour,..and Its Written about Him the holes of the nails are and will be still in His Wonderful Hands, when He Returns.

        Now,..The Holy Spirit is everywhere, in Heaven, in heaven,on earth,outside you, and can be inside you,..in various amounts,..it is everywhere,invisible just as described in Scripture,the World cant see It or understand it,..it has many different Attributes, (if i can even use that word to Describe The Awesome Holy Spirit),..but lets deal with it relating to us,its our form of personal communication with Our Teacher from afar,.as Written in Psalms, its That Loving, Gentle, Kind, Reassuring Hope Giving, Faith Giving, Love Teaching, Knowledge Giving that waters, feeds, oils,nourishes my lil seed inside me teaches, keep me safe,humbles me,..thats just some of the Things The Holy spirit is to me…..

        ohhh did i mention,..Immanuel my King,uses The Holy spirit to open my blinded eyes my hard of hearing ears,threshes my inner man,circumcises, my black heart,..and leads me in all Truth,which i love,..and if i stay on that path and face HIm and never turn away, He and The Holy Spirit will eventually, lead me,and everyone else into All Truth,..when He Returns,..to teach us all together,..and ultimately prepare us to stand before His God, His King, His Father,..Our God.

        hope this makes you understand a little bit better,..but id suggest you go into Scripture and seek the Teacher to show what i have said,through The Holy Spirit,it will be the same!,or should be

        known as the Holy Spirit

      • That’s fine, but that doesn’t match what you said in all of your (above) comments to Rachel. In all of your (above) comments you said they were all One Person. That Jesus is the Father and Holy Spirit.

        Here, in your last statements, you are saying they are 3 people, distinctly seperate,
        Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are different Persons.
        So, simple stated, which are you belieiving?

    • thethreshermansson – just to be clear He is coming as a thief only to those who are in the dark, but not to those of the Day.

      • well at least we can agree on that,..but your teaching or sharing has you coming across as if He is Coming like a thief,..and as i said before in 2 Thess 2,..its says The Day not Him

        no, Scripture, is very plain He is Coming in all His Glory, with His thousands of Angels,..The same Glorious Form in which He left from the mount of olives 2000 years ago,.Acts 1

      • Revelation 3:3 “Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

        Here Christ says He is coming as a thief ..

      • Rachel,..

        Revelation 3:3
        “Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I
        will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

        Here Christ says He is coming as a thief ..IF YOU WILL NOT WATCH

        Rev 1 v 7
        7 Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

        and here is The King of kings coming as A KING,..you can make your own minds as to who those who wail are

    • Thresher – Christ returns the same way…in the flesh. (In the flesh of the “many” prepared to receive him.

      2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ [as] coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

      1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the [spirit] of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

      This can ONLY be taught and understood by the Spirit because the return of Christ can not be perceived with the “flesh eyes”. Yet, the manifestation of his POWER and KINGDOM that comes from within us – will be perceived by ALL.

      • thoughtware,

        no Christ will return to the Mount of Olives in His Glorified Body,.you are changing Scripture and making it up to suit your mind set,..

        do you not realise He is The Same today as He was 2000 years ago,after He came back down from His God,8 days after Resurrection .after being Gloried an given all power,..He Has All Authority..even over The Holy Spirit,..over everything except, His Father.His God

        He is Coming at the end of the 7 year Tribulation,.as Written,to be King here on earth,..The Holy Spirit will be doing all His Work preparing His people…He cant leave Heaven until what is Written is fulfilled .

        He is Returning in all His Glory,..and you need to be carefull not to take away from this!

  8. What?..no i didnt,…your saying i said it

    where on any of Rachels blogs have i ever said Immanuel was the Father? or all one person?

    The Father is The Father God Almighty ..(Immanuels Father and God)

    The Son is The Only Son, The King of Israel, The Messiah…His Father and Him are both separate,yet One because The Holy Spirit makes them One.

    why are you saying they are?…or what is it you not grasping?

    and can you simply state your belief?

  9. I apologize, I was taking that you said it here. (below)
    AND,
    for even the dullest of us..(regarding the Prophesied end times,..THE SPIRIT OF YOUR FATHER,..THAT is The Holy Spirit,..what is is you dont understand?

    In any case, the question is you only believe in the Father and Jesus?
    Here you said the Spirit of your Father.
    Ok. what about Jesus Spirit? If the Father and Jesus have one spirit
    then the Holy Spirit is a third Person,
    If Jesus has a Spirit and the Father has a Spirit, then the Holy Spirit is 3rd.
    I’m asking, who you believe the Holy Spirit is?
    If Jesus has a Spirit ,the the Father is a Spirit.

  10. no again, you are saying i said,…all i done was quote exactly what Scripture says,..

    Matthew 10:20
    for it will not be you speaking, but THE SPIRIT OF YOUR FATHER speaking through you.

    now you ask yourself and you tell me,..who that ‘Spirit of your Father is’?

    and,..discern this greatly below!

    1 John 5:6-8

    6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Immanuel the Messiah; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

    7 For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these Three are One.

    8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Holy Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

    and you’ll answer your question to me, yourself.

    what you should be asking Rachel,..who this 4th spirit shes teaching is?,..i certainly do not i any way accept a 4th,

    and we all should consider the unforgivable sin,against The Wondrous Holy Spirit,in Mark 3

  11. as ive always said,..let Scripture prove itself True,..and everyone else a liar

    1 John 5

    7 For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.

    each of us can accept ,..take away, or as case may be, add to Scripture,and in that case discern the warning given in Scripture for doing so!

  12. Ok. If it is the Spirit of your Father speaking through,
    then what about Jesus Spirit?

    • again i’ll let Scripture answer your question,..and anyone else,Rachel included,..The Son of God as Scripture states and i just post,..was filled with THE HOLY SPIRIT,…what is it you cannot see?

      Luke 4:1
      And Immanuel, FULL of the Holy Spirit, turned back from the Jordan, and was brought in the Spirit to the wilderness,.

      • Well, are you full of the Holy Spirit?

      • What?…no i am not,..

        DO YOU NOT KNOW what traits someone who is?

        its well documented in Scripture,..go and discern What The Son of God did when He was Filled with the Holy Spirit.

        go and study what The disciples could do when filled with the Holy spirit

        and search Scripture with The Only Teacher,..and He through The Wonderful Holy Spirit will show you what the traits of the end time ones blessed with being filled with The Holy spirit will be
        able to do,..and then you wont have to ask the question,..you
        will know with your eyes and hear with your ears

      • I can do these things.
        I am filled with the Holy Spirit.
        Sorry to trouble your thoughts here.

      • Anonynous,
        you can cast out demons?…go you

      • Yes, I can cast out demons.
        Definitely. But In Jesus Name.
        Not In My Name, but in His Authority, that He has given the Church.

  13. Also, you said the Spirit of Christ is not Invisible.
    if the Spirit of Christ is in the Father, that’s invisible,
    if He’s in both.

    Here you said they are not one.—
    The Son is The Only Son, The King of Israel, The Messiah…His Father and Him are both separate,

    Here you said they are one–
    7 For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.

  14. NO,again you are saying that ,.. i said,..He, The Son, is not invisible,..He came in The Flesh,..are you denying that?,..and will Come again exactly the Same . Acts 1,..again are you denying this?

    a very simple yes or no, will do

    Yes of course The Father and His Son are Separate,..what part of that do you not understand?

    When His Son was on Earth,.The Father was in Heaven
    When His Son was hanging on a cross,..The Father was in Heaven,..they had a debate while He Hung There,

    John 1:32
    And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

    John 14:26
    and the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and remind you of all things that I said to you.

    Acts 13:52
    and the disciples were filled with joy and the Holy Spirit.

    (TAKE SPECIAL NOTE what Spirit the disciples are filled with,THE HOLY SPIRIT)

    not some 4th ‘christ’ spirit,..do you not know there are many christs spirits,..most of them anti christ as Written

    and..you post…..
    “Here you said they are one–”
    7 For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.

    its not me saying it,..just posting it,..its Scripture,..what part do you not understand?,..for to understand the next Verse you have to understand this one?

  15. No, I did not say you said.
    I copy and pasted it from your statements.
    It is a copy from you.

  16. I think you are confused about who the Spirit of Jesus is,
    and who the Holy Spirit is, which is another Person.
    With all due respect I don’t think you have a clear understanding of it,
    any more than Rachel, or I have a complete understanding of it.
    I may not agree with Rachel, and I probably don’t agree with her completely,
    because I am not sure exactly what she is saying,
    However I don’t think her main point revovlved around the issue of Christ’s Spirit,
    or Jesus Spirit, but rather her main point, is that The Lord is returning in His fullness. He is pouring out His Spirit in Greater Measure (meaning the Holy Spirit,
    and yes this is possible) He can increase the flow of wisdom and power.
    I suggest not getting hung up on terminology at that point.
    I think she may be (from your point of view) confused as to the terminology in which she may be saying, or attempting to say,~~~ Jesus will pour out His Spirit (or the Holy Spirit) in Fuller Measure. Maybe in, saying it that way, it would make you more comfortable.
    However, I don’t think what she is saying falls into the category of heresey.
    I think you are oversimplifying her statements, and misunderstanding the main subject matter. (I could be wrong, she would have to correct me there).
    These are my thoughts. Don’t take it personally. But I think you are as equally probable of error on this, as she would be. It is not hurting you to inquire, and you have every reason to.

  17. well at least we can agree on your last post,..its Rachel thats putting her,..teachings,.. which she calls, sharing,..onto a very public forum of you tube with links to this forum,..which she calls stirring the deep,..which is good,..but if you are going to make Scriptural statements then you should be more clearer in use of terminology,..or at least if you are challenged Scripturally to debate them,..are we not told in Scripture to have an answer? ..

    Confusion being the word,…which i may add there shouldnt be in Truth

    lets just call The Holy Spirit, The Holy Spirit,..not The Holy Spirit and ‘christs spirit’

    The Father, The Son… The Holy Spirit…simple as that,..3 as One,…Simple

    not The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit,…and ‘christs spirit’,..thats 4,..and confusing,..and non Scriptural

    …as we are well warned ,..you, me and Rachel,..the anti christ spirit is already here,.before his/it, the anti christ actual appearing,..he/it aint invisible either,..he’ll be coming and will confuse and delude and mislead many.

    terminology,..yes very important, and even meanings of words,..like ‘up’ and ‘on’ and ‘in’ and ‘of’

    and The Kingdom though unseen inside us,..Scripture also says it will be Seen

    • thethreshermansson — again, be patient .. there is a lot to say about the amazing truths of God and His amazing love He is showering upon us … that could fill blogs. And yes terminology can be confusing among us. If people are learning from the Holy Spirit there is no confusion in their hearts .. only among the spirits of mankind. I agree but I trust the Holy Spirit to teach each one. He is our teacher not each other.

      Again .. Christ contained the Father and the Holy Spirit. All we’ve had here was the Holy Spirit, the helper, the female side .. but when the King side is joined to that spirit in the earth, thus the Christ Spirit, in the vessels prepared (thus fullness in the vessels as well) .. then righteousness will begin to reign truly in people. No one is fully righteous yet… but this righteousness happens when the fullness of Christ is within us. This is our salvation.

      Luke 17:20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation;

      The Kingdom doesn’t COME with observation .. but we will most definitely see the results of it. Just as you don’t physical see the lying spirit of evil, yet most definitely see it’s reign and presence in this earth.

      • Rachel,..i am being patient,..3 things below that i would ask you to consider,.all i try to do is to try and adhere to Scripture,..if that is rehashing,..and you dont like it,..then i will leave your blog if you would rather me do that,just ask….Truth is a Sword it cuts deep and burns us.

        anyways

        first of all, Luke 17,..He was speaking to the Pharisee’s,..when we listen to The Shepherd Voice,..listen to what Hes saying and to whom He saying it to.

        the Kingdom will be visible,..which little discernment Scripture is painting it over an over again,..and goes into detail beyond our imagination in The Old Testaments

        The Kingdom will be seen,..as Luke 13 and Luke 22 clearly the patriarch fathers will be seen in it…along with the Disciples,,..(that alone, will be worth of seeing)

        Romans 14,..would contradict your teaching,..as its The Holy Spirit,.not .’christs’ spirit

        Luke 9:27
        But I tell you of a truth, There are some of them that stand here, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

        Luke 13:28
        There shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and yourselves cast forth without.

        Luke 22:30
        that ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom; and ye shall sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

        Romans 14:17
        for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

        Revelation 11:15
        And the seventh angel sounded; and there followed great voices in heaven, and they said, The kingdom of the world is become the kingdom of Our Lord, and of his Messiah: and he shall reign for ever and ever

      • Yes, I agree you’ll see the kingdom as it manifests for it will be established in righteousness. I didn’t say you wouldn’t see it .. but it is built from within out as people walk in true righteousness which they do at the fullness of Christ in them. What we had a hope of that fulfillment .. the Holy Spirit being our guarantee. 2 Corin 5:2-6

        5-6 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord

        Christ’s Spirit carried the fullness of God ..which included part of Holy Spirit .. Luke 1:35

        1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

        Christ is the Word.

      • The fulfillment of Christ, is Having a body like His,..and the disciples knew this,…and the hope is the hope of His Actual Return as its Written in Scripture,..that when the graves are open,..and those left alive are caught up in ,..IN ..the air and changed in a twinkling of a eye,..that will be fulfillment,..and live in hope of it,…the wisdom of hope,needs to be discerned greatly

        study over Pauls Writings,..with The Teacher,..its all in there!

  18. Anonymous

    maybe you missed my question,..i thought it was simple enough ?

    i said,..He, The Son, is not invisible,..He came in The Flesh,..are you denying that?,..and will Come again exactly the Same . Acts 1,..again are you denying this?

    a very simple yes or no, will do

    • Christ Jesus, after His Resurrection, can be visible as a Man (Son of God),
      or make Himself Invisible. He is at the righthand of Power.

  19. anonymous…This is Rachels post

    “Thanks .. interesting and yes that is the point .. those who are being prepared with the oil of truth by the Holy Spirit to receive Christ’s Spirit.”

    as youve asked and inquired of me and i have been as clear as i can be my thoughts and beliefs according to Scripture,..maybe you could ask Rachel to be a little bit more clearer on exactly what shes saying,..and what Scripture supports her.

    again,..its not about Rachel you or me being wrong,..its should be about Scripture being right?..yes?..It is not hurting you to inquire, and you have every reason to.

    • Sorry if there are delays in my responses .. amongst my activities I answer as I can. And if you address me directly .. I try to get to those first.

    • Well, from my point of view, you are dealing with some very mystical material here. We have Logos on the subject matter, but we have different levels of reading skills, and different levels of personal revelation. So I could correct you, and you could correct me, and actually, at some levels of revelation we could both be correct at the same time, we could have two pieces of joint revelation. So we have to have some respect for our differences, and stick to our guns, but have a little respect for the other fellow’s experience, and get a glimpse of their reading ability, because the Holy Spirit reveals most subjects through your ability to read, and handle Logos, then he will lead us by His Voice, in our Spirit, and we try our best to get a match. However, Rachel might have a few skills that are higher than mine in some areas, and I might have a few skills in some areas that are stronger than hers, and the same with you and I, and some of this relates to The Gifts of The Spirit, and that’s why I believe in teaching and learning from others. This is not an enigma for me. It’s the way God operates.

      • ” you are dealing with some very mystical material here.”
        Anonymous

        thats an understatement if i ever seen one,..thats what we get for stirring the deep …as for the rest of your post i totally agree,..its a learning path for us all,and we can learn from each other,share,debate,..but we, or at least i will stick to Scripture,..and will not put one misinterpretation against many different references and passages of sound Doctrine,that goes against the one misinterpretation ..and if im rebuked and i realise my mistake as in Scripture this will happen,i’ll humbly do
        so,..and give it out of love to people i see making little mistakes that could lead to even larger for other people,..i cant see any reason why we cant debate with love of Truth and each other,..especially over what id see a basic Scripture.

        As for Our Saviour, Teacher and King,..no He is Not Invisible,He can make Himself Invisible,but,..read Scripture its especially after Resurrection,and Glorification ..He Himself says (so pay attention to it) He is ‘Flesh and Bone’,..holes in His Hands….and add it to when He returns in the future,..same holes and the same blinded ‘jews’ will ask ,..what! are those holes in your hands?

        and Scripture if you Discern it right from the start,2000 years ago,..to this very hour,..the most of Tribulation until The Second Coming AT the end of Tribulation NOT before,..gives all things to The Holy Spirit in, as you say Gifts of the Spirit,.but make no mistake still the Holy Spirit,..and id say with love take this into great consideration!

      • Yes, that’s the other side of the picture. Wasn’t taking away from it.
        John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
        1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time.

  20. Rachel,

    We do have to be careful not to take away Our Saviours Glory…and The Holy Spirit.He never did,..everything He done was by The Holy Spirit and His Fathers Will.

    maybe for understanding we need to go back to the point of death at the horrible crucifixion,…where He went,until..His Resurrection,..where He went for 7-8 days,AND WHY??..before He appeared very visibly unto The 11,..and spent the next 30 odd days teaching them specifically about the Kingdom

    His Body died,..and placed in the Tomb for 3 days and 3 nights ..found in any Gospels,Matt, Mark, Luke,John.

    His Spirit however was made Alive,..1 Peter 3,..and He descended to where the disobedient angels are kept…for that 3 days and nights,..you got to discern how or what made His Spirit Alive,..i say The Holy spirit.

    Now at His Resurrection He spoke to Mary,..and said He was going to The Father to be Glorified,..then He Returned approx 7-8 days later to earth…and showed doubting Thomas,The holes in His Hands,..thats visible

    So lets recap,..He came in a Flesh body,..died Rose from the dead,.in some bodily form,..went to Heaven,.came back down,..and appeared the rest of the time in that Gloried Body till his Assension in the Acts 1,.and The Angels there stating He would Return The Same ..to the same place.

    So now this very day and hour,.Hes in Heaven in That Glorfied Body,..as described in Rev,.both as A King,..and also The Lamb…on Hios throne beside His God and His father Throne,.His Spirit in Him,..and Totally filled with The Holy Spirit….all communication teaching, learning etc etc the list endless is done through the Holy Spirit.

    im sure youve read come The end times,.,.The Father will pour out His holy Spirit,..the end times arent just yet,..the seasons tell us its at the door,..all we can do is Watch,and stay awake and alert,..a

    and as ive posted above in another post its the Holy Spirit in those blessed enough to make it into the Kingdom,..

    Christ Spirit will still be in Him,.and if youve eyes to see and ears to hear,..its Him who over sees from Heaven the final 84 months of this age,.before He leaves His Holy Heaven and Returns,in All His glory.

    you see,.He is the first born,.the first to receive His Glorified Body,.He isnt invisible,.the Apostles say Him as did many others already,..Hes Still the same,..He said to them He’d send The Comforter,..That is The Holy Spirit unto the end,..untill as they the disciples understood and its written in Scripture would not receive their Glorifiied bodies until He Returns and raises them..so they can actually come with Him at The Second Coming.,..and He will still as Scripture is clear be Still the Same,…and anyone of us blessed enough to make that beginning of the visible Kingdom being established will then be filled with……as Scripture says,..The Holy spirit.

    Immanuel is King,..He was made King, given His immortal Kings Glorified Body,..thats why he was born,..to Be The King of His Fathers Kingdom here on earth,..He will Rule as King on The outside and The Holy Spirit on the inside of all His Peoples.

    The Father Will still be in Heaven,..until The Kingdom is Fully Complete,.which Scripture says approx 1000 years.

  21. Anonynous

    just to highlight the problem we have,as i say, on what id term basic Scripture, not hard to understand,like below for example, Rachel sees it one way,..i see it totally the opposite,..you might think its the way you want to see it,..but,..i say if you see it one way ,..then its takes you one way,..if you see it the other way,..then,..you go another way,..leading you down a different path,..and well again basic Scripture understanding of these treacherous times we face before Tribulation,choosing the right path is vital,..

    Revelation 3:3 “Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

    Here Christ says He is coming as a thief ..

    Revelation 3:3
    “Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and
    repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I
    will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

    Here Christ says He is coming as a thief ..IF YOU WILL NOT WATCH

    out of curiosity,..would you have the same opinion as Rachel..or myself,..or do you have a 3rd?

  22. Yes, but notice is Revelation 3:3 He is speaking to believers. This is evidenced by His statement–“Remember how you have received and heard.” Whereas the unbelievers have not received or heard anything. How this applies to the rest of your reading you would have to decide.
    But I think we need to pay special attention to the fact that he said this to believers.
    He also said, and repent. So, it seems he is talking to backslidden believers. You could see if that emphasis fits in with your reading?
    Basically speaking I would be much closer to your interpretation than Rachel’s.
    Keep in mind that Rachel has never claimed to be a traditionalist.
    I have another ‘side interpretation’ of these scriptures, where I see a possible dual application that Jesus may be using here. In which He is talking about ‘your individual life’. Times when the Lord comes and judges your own particular walk. (as a Christian). You will see this possibly hinted at in the book of Job. (below)
    But, I don’t generally refer to this idea, unless I am speaking with someone like Rachel (because it is out of the box). You would have to have some prophetic inclinations to go into this realm, but it is definitely a viable supposition that Jesus may be referring to. I don’t usually mention these things openly, because as you said it can confuse people. But Rachel has already opened the box!
    I usually learn more from Rachel’s mistakes, than I do other people’s rightness.
    Keep praying for her.
    Galatians 3:6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

    Job 1:6 Now there was “””a day””” when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD—

    — and Satan also came among them. 7 And the LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” So Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.” 8 Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job?”

  23. Well,..you also know we have to rightfully divide The Word in Scripture…and we can only do that with Our Teacher and by The Wonderful Holy Spirit,…

    certainly as men we could read it as 2 groups Hes speaking to in Rev 3..but Revelation as a whole, (as is most Scripture ) is about the times immediately ahead)….and making the correct interpretation either leads us/you on that path thats straight,..or the wide one.
    ..and ultimately the test of ‘who can stand’ when the testing comes,..and its coming,..in Written, its coming,….and whether we see the signs of the season we are living in or not,..Our Teacher,..when giving IN GREAT DETAIL,the signs of the end times,..ended with,saying , WATCH!,..He said it, in His Voice,listen to it!

    and if you cant understand that the day will come on the children of the darkness like a thief,..and continue with this,..stupid false doctrine spewed out, in most so called ‘christian’ mainstream,..’ohhh Hes coming like a thief,..we dont know when he’s coming’…then theres a chance and a big chance people will just think,..ok then how would i know,or why will i not search for Truth and try and understand the times??,…and another warning in Scripture is this,..you reap what you sow,…

    im a child of the ‘day’…and i then FOLLOW the sound Doctrine,..that is Written for the children of the day….and sow it

    unfortunately i learn from other peoples mistakes as you do,and ive learn greatly my making my own mistakes..sadly though the people that make mistakes either realise theyve made a mistake and change,..or just keep on going,..and if you going the wrong way,you’ll keep going the wrong way, until you realise it and turn back yourself,..its a great humbling but even more learning and knowledgeable when Our Teacher teaches us this way,..i pray for everyone,especially those lost in the darkness that should be walking the path of the children of the day,..but i wont use the doctrine they love to hear that keep their loved to be tickled ears,tickled,or itchy ears, scratched

    we can argue and debate all we want,..but let Scripture prove its True,.
    The Spirit that was in The Messiah/The One True ‘Christ’ was the Holy Spirit,?..its a simple basic question?..of basic Scripture,..either you agree or disagree.

    now, Scripture regarding the endtimes its Written,..The Father will pour out His Spirit.

    heres a simple basic question.

    What/Who is The Fathers Spirit?…this is the Spirit that starts to show The Kingdom in the endtimes,..casting out demons,healing sickness and disease,..drinking poison and it doing no harm….i say it the Same Spirit that was IN The Messiah/The True Christ, The One True King.,..and all the Wonderful things beyond our imaginations The Holy Spirit can do,through Our Teacher

  24. Christ has never required that you have this kind of knowledge to be saved. What He requires is that you accept Jesus as your personal savior, He is the one who has the knowledge, and does the work. And he requires that you stay free from sin, as best you can, and love one another. If you have filled these requirements, you will be able to be sustained in the endtime, no matter what your interpretation.
    The endtimes will unfold according to His direction, no matter how you interpret it. The Church at large has not taught that you will not know ‘the season of the end’. They teach you will not know the day. And neither will you know the day, because Christ said even He didn’t know the day but only the Father.

  25. Anonymous! posted by The Threshermansson

    its not that i disagree with you about whats required or been required,..and if you think you can stand come the endtimes with that,i take my hat of to you

    Its Written, ‘My People are lost,because of lack of knowledge’
    Its Written,..’seek and you will find’
    Its Written…’My Sheep, Hear My Voice’
    Its Written..’The Truth, Will set you free’
    Its Written…’put on The Full Armour of God Almighty’
    its Written…’line upon line,a little here and a little there’

    do you not know we should diligently seek The Lord,..

    DO YOU KNOW,..what THE FEAR OF THE LORD IS????…

    if you think all of this isnt giving you something to learn

    hmmm,..as for your thoughts on the church,..its just the same you just say its differently,..show me one just one main stream church teaching the seasons?..mention Damascus to a church going christian theyll says weres that?…ill say in Scripture in Prophecy,..hmmm,..you’ll know the season ok,..is winter.

    but thanks To The Holy Spirit and Our Awesome Teacher,..by Proving Scripture True,in your post,..and this nonsense of ‘christs spirit’.

    There Only The Father,..The Son,..and The Holy Spirit,..and as Always Our Dear Dear Saviour giving His God and His father His Place,..when he said He, the Christ,even full of the Holy Spirit, didnt know The Day.(oh, those with eyes to see)

    All Glory to Our Father,..through His Son,..through The Holy Spirit.

    The Threshermansson

  26. So, for you, it’s like a pyramid scheme. He who has the most knowledge is greatest ?
    Instead of what the Lord said.
    Matthew 20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
    Matthew 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

  27. Anonymous,
    you say its like that for me,…pyramids and pyramid schemes are for sun god worship,and the starry host,used by sun god worshipers,..in your country and mine,..

    maybe you dont know,milk or bread or wine or meat or honey when its served to you!

    No,..you posted a post that seemed to suggest that you dont have to learn,..The Scriptures suggest something different.

    you should consider The Parable of the seeds,..growing,..and consider what makes the seeds in the Parable grow

    and you should also consider the Parable of the 10 virgins,..and where to buy the precious oil.

    you should consider the meaning of Teacher,
    ..and the need for one and for what purpose,..and seriously consider it!

    and then consider what you posted!

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