Worshipping False Images of God
If you are worshipping a God who torments souls forever, you are worshipping a false image of God crafted by Satan. This is a WAKE UP call to not be deceived into believing a false image of God and to seek to know God in truth and spirit. Christ is at the door, and no one wants to be as one in the verse below who thought he/she was worshipping Him, but wasn’t, but instead was serving a false image of the lawless one…
“Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Matthew 7:22-23
Seek God face to face outside the church system ways and doctrine, which proliferates this false images, and you will find a different God; a God of true, powerful, and righteous love. Not one who says, worship me or torment forever. But One who gave His life that you might be purified, sanctified and abide with Him in holy, righteous love forever.
False Images of Religions
Throughout religions there are an abundance of false images of God. And yes, the religion of Christianity has them too. 1 Timothy 4:1-2 One of the main ones is this concept of God torturing souls for eternity. It’s monstrous. It’s a doctrine/belief grounded in fear, torment, pain, and suffering. It’s used to scare people into “accepting Christ”. It’s the goodness of God that leads to repentance, not fear. Romans 2:4 Perfect love, which is God, drives out all fear. 1 John 4:18 Satan is of fear. God is of love. They are on opposite sides.
This image along with others is why believers are leaving the church system. The churches are worshipping false images of God. Why would you worship at a pagan temple? You wouldn’t. That’s why they leave. Lamentations 2:7, Matthew 24:5, 2 Corinthians 6:14
Satan’s Image of God
Satan makes himself to be as God. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He creates images which people worship, thus they are worshipping him. Revelation 13 As for the image of a false God in Christianity, we see it illustrated in Daniel 3 in the story of Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, where all people were commanded, for it was law, to worship the image of him, he set up. If they didn’t they were thrown into a fiery furnace. Daniel 3:6-7 Sound familiar? Mainstream Christianity teaches a strikingly similar thing; if you don’t worship their God, then you thrown in the fiery furnace of eternal torment. This has been a prevailing “gospel” in much of Christianity; worship Christ or be eternally tormented. Is this the Christ, or an anti-Christ, standing where he shouldn’t and showing himself to be God?
Satan is far more shrewd than mere humans. He knows the scriptures and twists them so those who are who untaught by the Holy Spirit aren’t able to discern but believe his lies. 2 Peter 3:16 He is a roaring lion of fear.
Satan is the Father of lies and a murder from the beginning and many have fallen for his lies; as testified by this world of depravity.
John 8:44 “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
The description of a God of eternal torment ISN’T who the true living God of love is. This isn’t who Christ Jesus showed God to be at all! But the opposite. He came and demonstrated His love, mercy and compassion on a deceived, lost, broken and fallen humanity. Christ came to show us the love of the Father; His forgiveness of us while we were dead in our trespasses. Colossians 2:13 The message of His salvation for mankind and the message of eternal torment are in opposition to each other. Christ came to redeem souls; souls that can’t save themselves. He conquered death. His salvation plan entails restoration, regeneration and abundant love and mercy. If you deny what He did, you don’t know Him, and you deny Him.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
God’s Judgment
Yes there will be a judgment of flaming fire as our God is a consuming fire. 2 Thess 1:7-8 People are judged for their works, their beliefs. But it’s of love because it destroys the wickedness that destroys us, and brings in His kingdom’s reign of righteousness and love. His judgment brings correction which leads the world learning righteousness. Isaiah 26:9 God’s plan of salvation is to save this lost world where no one sought Him. Isisah 53:6 It’s to train and establish their hearts in righteousness so they can walk in His ways and abide with Him in love for eternity. Hebrews 8:9-11 God loves us. In that love, He destroys wickedness that torments our souls; He doesn’t proliferate it for eternity. Wickedness will perish and all will know Him and praise Him for His abundant mercy on mankind.
Imagine living for an eternity knowing that your neighbor is being tortured for eternity. This is contrary to God, His character, and His plan of salvation that is the fulfillment of His righteousness, holiness, and love.
Be clear about the huge distinction between a god of fear, Satan, and a God of love, the One True God. The veil is being lifted on the images that Satan has set up; the anti-Christ who shows himself to be Christ, yet the opposite. Don’t give into the delusion. If you deny that Christ came to deliver this world from death .. then you are denying the true Christ, for this is who He is. 1 Corin 15:55 He is the victor. He is life. He will be all and in all.
Living Light 
May 22, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Hooray! Worship His holiness — He is amazing.
I loved the reference to the three Hebrew ‘children’ and the fiery furnace, Rachel. I hadn’t thought of that parallel, but it certainly is one. Thanks!
May 23, 2012 at 11:29 am
Hi Cindy – incredible as you learn more of God .. He drives out all that is fear and torment .. for that is what perfect love does. He is truly good to us poor sheep.
May 22, 2012 at 7:33 pm
You’ve given us a lot to think about Rachel, thank you! and God bless you as you continue to seek Him and His truth!
May 23, 2012 at 11:28 am
Hi Debbie — it is a lot, but as you dive in you see true love .. not a warped love. Christ’s sacrifice was perfect, complete and for all. We’ve all gone astray, we need Him the author and finisher of our faith to take control of us for this world has been under the bondage of fear, the spirit of Satan.
May 22, 2012 at 9:17 pm
It’s interesting that this
is the same Doctrine
that the Church of Satan
teaches,
and in the sixth chapter,
of the Satanic Bible, is
Holy Satan, the Antithesis
of Hell.
May 23, 2012 at 9:23 am
Anonymous, what are you saying?
May 23, 2012 at 9:56 am
The idea that there is No
Hell, and that God is Evil
for saying there IS,
and that Satan is Good,
is Satan’s greatest deception.
Satan’s goal is to deceive you
and populate Hell, where Satan
will be worshipped by those
who have followed him,
or been deceived by him.
May 23, 2012 at 11:33 am
There is a hell, just not eternal torment. And Satan is whatever he needs to be to deceive anyone, there is no truth in him. He contradicts his lies all the time, that is what lies are ..they deceive and misled people. Don’t fall for his multiple personality.
May 23, 2012 at 3:12 pm
I was a Priest in the
Church of Black Science,
and I’m telling you Satan
doesn’t care if you know his
personalities, as long as he
can convince you that Hell
is not a real place of burning
torment, where he is your god,
and he can torment you.
May 24, 2012 at 9:47 am
Not saying hell isn’t real, just not eternal torment … as for Satan, He is a liar and all the world is under his sway .. lots of lies but there is only one truth. He twists the scriptures.
May 24, 2012 at 11:14 am
There is only one truth,
and one Holy Spirit.
What your hearing, should
bear witness, with the Holy Spirit
and the Word.
For me, you’re basing your
thoughts on the subject,
only on your hearing.
(point of view)
One tendency that you follow
is not to allow other’s to speak
to your heart from the Holy Spirit.
I have no insight as to why that is
a sensitive area for you.
Unless you share that, it can pretty
much, leave you (or me, rather) cold.
You know, –(Rachel doesn’t trust you
because you believe in Jesus!)
In saying that,
I’m not trying to put the spotlight
only on you, it may appear that way
simply because you started
the conversation.
The point being, I hold myself to
the same standard.
The Holy Ghost and the Word.
PS. — The only person I’ve fallen
for, is you.
May 24, 2012 at 12:34 pm
I’m not sure why you think I don’t look to the Word … that is where I learn what I do .. but it has to be taught to you by the Holy Spirit. I don’t rely on others to teach me .. I go to One, The Teacher .. as for others there it’s a delight to share what we are learning .. but I always test everything and ultimately trust God to teach me all things.
May 24, 2012 at 12:46 pm
A for-instance might be,
along the lines,
when you say something
like- “men want to believe
in Hell being torment”.
(that’s a personal opinion)
Nothing to do with the Word,
or the Holy Spirit.
Men have nothing to do with
it.
May 23, 2012 at 6:51 am
i think we all got to ask ourselves just who the god of this age is
get uncircumcised …and get back to the Old Testament,…and discover The Wonderful Spirit God of the Israelites,..in Whom there is no guile.
May 23, 2012 at 10:32 am
Feeling that humans should not be tormented for ever is common to average Christians including unbelievers in the world. But we cannot deny what is written.
(Matthew 8:11-12)
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
God is love (1John 4:8). So, God has opened a path of salvation for man. This salvation is whosoever believes in Jesus Christ should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:6). This is the perfect will of God, but Jesus Himself says the perfect will of God would not come to pass.
(Matthew 7:13-14)
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
But still there is a hope for all humankind. This is the hope…
God made Hell as a temporary place, but the lake of fire as an eternal place. God has fixed a judgement day for the hell and then the hell would be cast into the lake of fire, which is eternal.
(Revelation 20:13)
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
(Revelation 20:14)
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Hell is the place where the wicked could taste the torment which is due in the lake of fire.
Thus, God has given an opportunity for the wicked to taste eternal torment in hell and then repent and receive Christ. I believe under this plan, not a single man would end up in eternal fire (lake of fire). This is why Jesus preached the Gospel to the spirits in hell after the resurrection.
Until the judgement day of hell, no human is judged to be tormented eternally in the lake of fire except for three persons.
(Revelation 20:10)
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
This is the good news. But we cannot deny the sufferings of the wicked in hell right now as hell is temporarily existing for the wicked for repentance.
For more details, read the two articles titled ‘the dead’ & ‘eternal judgement’. http://www.thejoelsarmy.com/2012/05/dead-part-1.html
http://www.thejoelsarmy.com/2012/05/eternal-judgement-part-1.html
May 23, 2012 at 7:09 pm
God implies that souls “sleep” when they exit the earth through death – but I have wondered (in reference to the Rich Man/Lazarus parable) if there are different types of sleep. Interesting concept that sleep could be used by God to teach repentance, love and mercy.
May 27, 2012 at 10:25 pm
soul sleep, the adventist say, or the bible says, the dead know not nothing!! yet people tell me when ya die you go to be with the lord in heaven, if so, tell me , what is the point of the reserection in thesolonians???
May 28, 2012 at 10:29 am
Andrew…again, interesting. The resurrection (as an idea I am sharing for further discussion) seems to imply that spirits that died will “wake” or “live again” when all things are put under Christ’s feet. Or, saying it another way, when sin is destroyed and righteousness reigns these spirits will come back to life. (It is appointed to men to die once).
May 23, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Iroshan,
This is correct teaching.
Only places I would differ,
are Paradise, or Abraham’s Bosom
were for those Old T. saints who
followed God. After Jesus,
Paradise was emptied to Heaven.
Abraham, Isaac, David, Daniel, etc.
they all went home, to Heaven.
The Lake of Fire, Is Eternal,
and souls are there, and you
don’t disintegrate.
and yes, it is mean as mean as Hell,
and yes, David slit Goliaths throat,
and no, God cannot change His Word!
May 23, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Anonymous
As you said, paradise was the comforting zone in Sheol, which was kept for the OT saints after the law was given through Moses..
(Romans 5:14)
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
After Jesus died on the cross, Jesus went to the paradise or comforting zone (also called Abraham’s side) in Sheol .
(Luke 23:43)
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
However, with the ascending of Jesus back to Heaven (dwelling place of God), Jesus has taken the paradise to a new place called ‘third heaven’. This third heaven is in between the Heave which is the dwelling place of God and the heaven (firmament) of the earth.
(2 Corinthians 12:2-4)
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
According to the above passage, the third heaven and paradise are interchangeably used. In other words, paradise is placed in a place called ‘third heaven’. And also it is clear that this paradise is above and not below anymore as Paul says ‘caught up’.
All saints are in Paradise worshiping God. But no human has ascended up to Heaven so far, except Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself testifies about this truth.
(John 3:13)
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
For more information, read the article, titled, ‘the dead’ & ‘the eternal judgement’
http://www.thejoelsarmy.com/2012/05/dead-part-1.html
http://www.thejoelsarmy.com/2012/05/eternal-judgement-part-1.html
May 25, 2012 at 11:28 am
Hi .. thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic.. as I read some of your blog post on the topic. Still seeking and learning, this is what I’m thinking … that in a soul’s state after death .. there is an awareness of truth and they are able to come to repentance at the end of the age, if they didn’t in this life. Unlike now on earth if you repent you can enter into God’s presence. After death, you have to wait until the end of the age. But hell is a tool to open eyes to lead people to repentance just as this world is … hell here or hell after … both tools to lead to repentance. I don’t believe it to be the gruesome images people create .. it is ultimately for their good and the chastening of a loving God …
Yes Jesus Christ is the way, but there isn’t the qualifier of believing in this earth .. it’s just believing ..thus they can in hell, learn, and be redeemed in the resurrection.
Remember the whole world is under the sway of the wicked one. The concept that souls are in all different places after death makes sense, because people are at all different levels of awareness here. God gives them what they need to know Him. This is the gift we have in Christ. He set the prisoners free .. we can’t free ourselves.
May 25, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Iroshan
(sorry for a late response).
From my years of study
this is my take on it.
The term Paradise as used
in the account of Paul’s vision,
is a ‘translating issue’, involved
in the fact that, this is how the
translator chose to translate a word,
(paradise)
that was used, as you said for the
‘third heaven’, which is Heaven.
(I am not evading truth here, this is
my understanding of minor errors
in translation from the Greek, or Hebrew,
at the whim of the translator)
(it’s what the translator thought the word
should mean)
I base this in part on, the use of
the word Paradise, in the account
of Lazarus that Jesus told.
(i.e. both places are not the same)
Also, the thief on the Cross was told
‘you will be with me today in Paradise’.
But three day’s later he told Mary
in the garden, that–
–He had not ‘Ascended Yet’.
So, Paradise here, could not be Heaven,
because he told the thief you will be
with me there today.
So Paradise that Jesus speaks of here,
is obviously not heaven, where He told the
thief he would go to today.
This is Abraham’s Bosom where all the
OT. saints were waiting for Jesus.
Once Jesus ascended, to Heaven
“on the Third day” He
cleansed the “Articles of Worship” in
Heaven with His Blood.
Once this was accomplished he emptied
Abraham’s bosom of the OT. Saints
because they would now “not contaminate”
Heaven, with earth’s impurity.
(i.e. the saints were cleansed by His
blood.)
As far as John 3:13, –that was a
true statement that Jesus made
“at that time” no one had yet ascended,
but —after the Lord’s death—, they did ascend.
That’s why He died,
so they could ascend to Heaven.
May 23, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Iroshan Perera …you post,.
“Hell is the place where the wicked could taste the torment which is due in the lake of fire.
Thus, God has given an opportunity for the wicked to taste eternal torment in hell and then repent and receive Christ. I believe under this plan, not a single man would end up in eternal fire (lake of fire). This is why Jesus preached the Gospel to the spirits in hell after the resurrection. ”
with all due respect this is just your interpretation,..its not the Gospel The Messiah Immanuel taught at all,…the Spirits is prison are the angels that disobeyed in Noahs days,..you know,..mated with human women,..and spawned giants and other abominations ,…they are very much alive and in prison,deep within the earth..in the BOTTOMLESS PIT,..as Written in Scripture,..Gen,1Peter,2 Peter,.Jude,..Rev………that is a totally different ‘pit’ humans go to as Written in Scripture …and many references to humans being dust and returning to dust,…us just being pots of clay,..from Gen to Job to Isaiah,…and Ecc 9 stating very clearly what the dead know or can do…until the Glorious Gospel That The Rock of Israel did preach and that is Him raising the dead from the ‘waterless pit’…
a couple of things to discern,…death and hades are thrown in the lake of fire,..what is the lake of fire,…..is it or does it possibly evolve come from the streams that run from the Mountain.
and all of this,..does it prove the other nonsense taught by pagan religions,..esp christianity that after death and even The Glorious Resurrection will be in Heaven anyway?..something The Messiah certainly did not Teach?
May 23, 2012 at 11:11 pm
thoughtware
Not everyone who dies goes to a state of sleeping in a grave. There are three places where a man can go after death.
1. Saints – Those who have received Jesus Christ as personal savior and lead a holy life do not go to a state of sleep. These saints are coming out of their physical bodies and going to Paradise which is in third heaven. These souls continually praise God.
(Luke 23:43)
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
According to the above verse, Jesus was telling this thief that he is going to be with Jesus in paradise after his death. Apparently, Jesus was not telling the thief that he was going to sleep in a grave.
(Matthew 16:28)
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
According to the above verse, not all face death or state of sleep in a grave. Jesus was speaking to the saints who are worthy of going to paradise and stay there until the kingdom of God is set up.
(2 Corinthians 12:4)
How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Apostle Paul was talking about his own visit to Paradise where he was supposed to go after his death. God showed him this comforting place before his death.
Paradise is the same place where Old Testament saints dwell. The following scriptures will prove the fact that even OT saints are not in the state of sleep in a grave.
(Matthew 22:32)
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
According to the above verse, Abraham and Isaac are not in a state of sleep in graves. Another words, they are not among the dead.
(Matthew 17:1-3)
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
According to the above passage, Moses and Elijah are not in a state of sleep.
2. The wicked – These people also never go to a state of sleep. They are taken to hell for tormenting.
(Luke 16:22-23)
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
However, those who want to deny the fact that the wicked end up in a place called hell where they are tormented do not take the above as a true story, but a parable. Even if it is a parable, it clearly tells us that some people after their death are taken away to hell for tormenting (by devils). .
3. Those who are not worthy of sufferings in hell
People who have received salvation, but not lived up to the standard of saints are the people who come to a state of sleep in their graves, These people are called ‘the dead in Christ’. These will be raised to life on rapture.
(1 Corinthians 15:51-52)
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
According to the above verse, a certain group are in a state of sleep in graves on Rapture. That is why Jesus says in Mat 16:28 that only some shall not taste death until Rapture (not all).
Even those people who have died without knowing Jesus Christ, but led a righteous life so that not worthy of sufferings in hell are coming to a state of sleep in their graves, These people shall be raised to life at the white throne judgement.
(Revelation 20:11-12)
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
May 24, 2012 at 7:55 am
Iroshan, on 3), for your
consideration, if you have received
Christ- you’re up to standard.
Those dead in Christ are those who
have died, knowing Christ,
before His return.
(i.e. these are those who sleep)
(the sleeping is your flesh)
At Christ’s return, those alive
in Christ will be caught up,
by rapture with him in the air.
They’re are no groups considered
righteous, without Christ,
who will go to heaven,
based on works.
May 24, 2012 at 3:23 pm
anonymous
theres no one going to Heaven only The 144,000,…no one else,..and thats based on The Bible
caught up to meet Him in the air before He returns to The Mount of Olives isnt Heaven.
He,The Messiah, The Holy One of Israel,Son,of The Father Most High, God Almighty,..is Coming to Earth to Rule as King Forever,..Not Heaven.
Eternity in Heaven is as big a lie as eternity in ‘hell’,…and by that i mean ‘grave’..6 foot under,..returned to dust,..because death and the grave will be done away with
The Messiah Immanuel,..wont be in Heaven,..He’ll be here on
Earth,..He,literally be ‘God with us’
Satan wont be in the hell (this place where he dosent want us to think exists),or the bottomless pit,..after hes let out approx
1007 years from now.
could i recommend you read Isaiah,..covers just about everything thats going to happen in the immediate future and
long term,…..and boy,..what a great surprise we have all got in
store!
May 24, 2012 at 4:31 pm
So, your issue is
‘going to Heaven’, or
‘Eternity in Heaven?’
You are correct the Lord
will eventually set up reign here,
but I disagree with your timeframe.
However, yes, Jesus is in Heaven
now, because he said “from henceforth
you will see me at the right hand of
the Father.”
And the Father, wanted us with Him,
that’s His whole desire for sending
Jesus.
If you don’t agree with my ‘Bible
reading’, at least understand the Love
of the Father–
that His desire is to have us with Him.
The Lord has taken many to Heaven
in our day, and given them visions
of this.
I encourage you to have some confidence
in the Bible Reading of your fellow
soldiers,
and their experience.
I’m not a novice.
Your not in this alone.
May 24, 2012 at 5:00 pm
anonymous,..
i have every respect for everyone and anyone trying to seek the truth in these times and will share and debate with boldness and confidence and seek with them the love for Truth,….
and with respect i listen to everyone that shows respect to my Bible reading/opinions too,..or even if they dont.
Saying that ive come a hard narrow path,..im leaving ‘Sodom and Gomorrah’ the ‘world ‘ religious system and other Jesuit freemason run world for the hideous god of this age,…and im not looking back or getting dragged back to the lies and deception of it,..especially the christian religion,..(and thats with respect to my fellow humans all still under the delusion that that religion brings)…to to find Unleavened Bread Truth you all must seek The Almighty Spirit God and Worship Him in spirit through His Only Son The Messiah Immanuel, God of The Israelites via The Awesome Wonderful Holy Spirit..and i and you and everyone else should only have confidence in Bible Study and understanding with The Holy Spirit.
The Messiah Immanuels Gospel is this,..The Kingdom of His Father here on earth,with Him as King Forever,..and when He returns He will restore the world,..raise the dead,..and when death is overcome,..The Almighty Father Himself will leave His Holy Heaven,..come down,..and Judge His Son,..and will dwell here on This Earth,..With Him as God and His Son as King.
So Be It
ps…i know my fellow soldiers when they know this and it is spoke out their mouths from their hearts!…and would urge all ‘Israelite soldiers’ to seek this Truth,..and lay it firmly on The Rock of Israel
May 24, 2012 at 5:34 pm
With all due respect.
I ask you to Slow Down.
For instance–
To have love, you must SEE,
not necessarily– Agree With,
another view.
I’m not asking you to Agree Yet.
Just SEE. Take time to See.
Otherwise, my words are hollow
echoes.
Maybe I have been on a mountain
that you have never been on,
which gives me a different perspective,
and another view of, the Lord’s creation.
I speak parabolically, and spiritually.
The Bible is multifaceted.
And Spiritual Life, is multifaceted.
May 24, 2012 at 5:47 pm
love, no doubt ,cause we are part of the One Body,..we all must understand that,..and remember that the eye the ear the foot,.are all as equally important…and .the arm,the hand and The Finger.
regardless of what mountain any of us has on been or is on,..the path is narrow up or down,..and if your a lost sheep you must hear the ‘Voice’ of The Good Shepherd,…
now ive been through all that you have said and posted,..and i have been shown the Truth of it,..and with love and respect its not what you saying,..now we must both realise Truth is veiled to us,..but not if we go to a certain Mountain,..
May 24, 2012 at 6:10 pm
So, I would understand
you are saying,– your
Quest is Over.
You have no Curiosity.
And Nothing more to Learn.
When you do learn,
you don’t have Joy
Just facts.
You have nothing to learn from
others.
This is what I hear you say.
May 24, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Anonymous, earlier you said that “for-instance might be,
along the lines,
when you say something
like- “men want to believe
in Hell being torment”.
(that’s a personal opinion)
Nothing to do with the Word,
or the Holy Spirit.
Men have nothing to do with
it.”
Do you think that the Bible covers all truth? If so, where’s the cahpter that is about you, or about me? Is there a spot that reveals intricate details about the motives of my heart and the sources in my past that have created them? I’ll tell you that what the Spirit has shown me about myself so far couldn’t be contained is a book the length of the four gospels themselves. It is not her opinion that men want to believe in hell being torment. I know it is true because I was one of them. And, I can now recognize others who stand where I used to stand. The Spirit guides us into ALL truth. Mainly the ugliest truths about ourselves and the motives of our hearts.
May 25, 2012 at 11:23 am
I am not understanding
your question.
Could you simplify it a bit.
May 24, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Thresher,
Let me ask you a question.
How do you see yourself?
How do you view yourself in the
midst of Truth?
Do you see yourself, as
Israel, getting ready to have your
thigh knocked out of joint, by the
Angel, in your quest for Truth?
Or, do you see yourself, like
Solomon, sitting on the throne with
all wisdom about God, looking upward?
Then, how do you see God?
Do you see God, as being in Control?
Or, do you see the devil, as being in Control?
How you answer these questions
will affect you interpretations of Truth,
because it affects how you fit into
the accessiblity of truth and
how you will relate to the truth you know.
Nothing is cut and dried because there
is variability when you then apply wisdom.
(which comes with age).
Ok, I am only asking you, to ‘View this’.
Not, Agree with it.
Just hear the words I say.
One day, it may, make sense.
On the day you need it.
That’s manna, and it comes from above.
And it comes between servants.
And it comes by the Spirit of Wisdom,
not the tree of knowledge of good and
evil..
May 25, 2012 at 4:00 am
anon
its not how i view myself,..My God looks upon my heart,..so its of utmost importance to me to purge myself with pure Truth in these times.
so with the wisdom of the ‘parable’ of the 10 virgins im going to fill my lamp with the ‘Oil of Truth’…best i can ,…if its My Fathers Will,….you see the 5 foolish ones didnt get the ‘oil they needed’…..my lamp will be burning hot,..not cold and certainly not ‘lukewarm’,…..
..and to be a true Israelite like Nathanael,..and The King of Israel Himself,..in Whom there is not guile,..just Truth!…and to be a child of the day and be ever watchful for the signs leading up to The Return of My King, The Messiah Immanuel to this World to,..destroy the ‘god of this age ‘and his ‘world system of lies’ and false worship religions,…
as for Control,..The Father Most High is in Complete Control,….satan isnt a god hes a fallen angel,he cant do nothing without it being the Fathers Will,..and he knows it…and he knows where he’s going and knows his time til that ..is short!
as for the milk bread honey meat and wine,…i only eat from the table of The Spirit of Truth in these times…..i dont take from my brothers and sisters only give,..and always advise they seek the Truth of it from Our One and Only Teacher through the Holy Spirit,……i dont eat the dainty meat of the evil eyed one!
i ponder this Scipture day n daily
Proverbs 3 v 5
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
May 25, 2012 at 7:25 am
Sounds good.
Good path.
May 26, 2012 at 9:22 am
Iroshan Perera and Anonymous
what are your thoughts as to who the rich man in fine purple linen is?……in the Parable
May 26, 2012 at 9:41 am
Luke 16:14 Now the Pharisees,
who were lovers of money,
also heard all these things,
and they derided Him.
I don’t think Jesus was telling
the tale of a ‘specific’ rich man.
This is the story of “anyman”.
The story (not parable) has to
do with Jesus explaining what
the judgement of people is, who
serve money, without God.
You may remember the TV
detective show, that started with—
“” This is a True Story,
The Names were Changed,
To Protect the Innocent”.”
May 26, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Hi Anonymous … often when it refers to the “rich” in the scriptures, it is talking about a self-righteousness .. yes serving money isn’t good, but look at the context and as in Luke 16 .. Jesus was just addressing the Pharisees then spoke this example. Comparing the self-righteous versus poor in spirit. It’s the self-righteous who won’t let go of their traditions, ways of goodness and especially self-will striving in contrived goodness and embrace the full grace and righteous spirit of God.
May 26, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Yes, I didn’t mean to
suggest that it was a rich
individual, per se.
I would prefer to be rich myself.
I do think there is a conotation
of selfishness, as far as wealth,
being mentioned.
Is this what you meant by self
righteous?
(I was trying to keep my comments
as brief as possible)
(glad you mentioned it)
May 26, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Luke 16:14
this verse says lovers of
money.
May 26, 2012 at 10:50 am
Anonymous
i’ll have to disagree with you totally,..Luke 16 v 19,…a whole verse at the start of the Parable describing the ‘rich man’ in fine purple linen,..who fared sumptuously,everyday.,…
i think the Finger is being well and Truly pointed a someone specific!
May 26, 2012 at 11:20 am
It would go against the
principles of Jesus to
point the finger at someone
specific.
However, you could be
correct. It is possible.
But, Jesus wouldn’t want
us to know, it would be
a warning, between the two.
A private warning.
However, if it is a warning,
that should ‘key you into the
fact’, that Hell is a real place
of torment. Ortherwise, the
warning would be an empty
threat.
May 26, 2012 at 8:13 pm
rich people are a bit like hell,..just never have enough
but what if the finger is being pointed right at someone?…and not everyone,…what if its a rich woman?
you know like your TV show, maybe just maybe the names have been changed,..and the gender too,….so those with their eyes very firmly shut cant see and will never get the understanding,..or find the key to it,.
maybe its just like the TV show, the answers at the end of it,…and you go ,..duh!…how did i not work that out!……Parables are a lil bit like that,.ya know!
May 27, 2012 at 2:27 am
Are you saying
a parable is a
lie, unto itself?
May 27, 2012 at 5:47 am
no im trying to help you establish who the ‘rich man’ is,..and have you checked the rest of Scripture to help you establish who it is?
you know like in Isaiah,.
Isaiah 28:10
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little
i say the Parable is a fabulous Parable of Truth,..but you have to apply the wonderful advice and rebuke of Matthew 13:14-16,..again from the wonderful Book of Isaiah
May 27, 2012 at 7:59 am
I don’t read this
in the form a parable.
But please feel free
to share what this
parable means, and
how you interpret it.
May 27, 2012 at 9:13 am
if you dont read The Bible the way you,me,or anyone else are told to,you are never going to interpret anything or have any understanding of what you read,..never mind anything that id say!
or how would you understand The Parable if you dont first grasp who the rich one in fine linen is??,..seek in Truth in Scripture who it is,..
did you read what was said in Matthew 13 14-16,..and did you understand it?
and,..do you not understand The parable of the 10 virgins?….you and me are like them,..i cant give you the oil you need,..you need to get it from the One Who Sells it ,yourself,..His Way,…..(note the comparison of eyes shut and ears in Matt 13 and slumbering n sleeping Matt 25.)
do you understand the concept of a child sipping milk,..before eating meat?
oh,..and do you understand what is meant when we have to turn our hearts from our ways to Him and His Ways?
May 27, 2012 at 9:18 am
Well then I would
assume, you don’t
feel free.
May 27, 2012 at 9:20 am
Those assumptions
are yours, not mine.
May 27, 2012 at 10:33 am
im a slave,though not a son of the slave woman,..im a son of the free woman,..you can assume that.
1 Corinthians 7:22
For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord’s freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is The Messiahs slave.
did you study those Scriptures?
May 27, 2012 at 12:15 pm
It’s your name, Lord, and,
there is- lovin inside of my heart,
it goes round, with you, Lord,
there’s praising inside of my heart.
It’s only you, who knows, when
praise is inside of my heart,
and there’s love,
all around-
and, it goes, all the way
down in my heart,
Where there’s love,
there is- a meaningful place in
your heart,
where there’s love- there is, Lord
a feeling deep inside, of, your heart
and it’s praise, to you- Lord
and it’s always inside- of my heart
only you- my Lord, and
it’s always inside of my heart,
and it’s you, my Lord
and it’s always inside of my heart
and it’s you, dear Lord,
and it’s, always inside of my heart,
Mmm, Mm, Mm, my Lord,
Mm, MMMm, my Lord…
g.m.
May 27, 2012 at 10:20 pm
wow, what a hot topic, lol my mam always said to me that a loving god would not have the people he created burning forever intorment!! that aint my jesus!! ive heared many good christians preach this hell stuff, but as my mum said to me, once god had got rid of sodom and gomorah, it was over, the people were not in continual torment!!