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Series on Hell

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Series on Hell

Here I share some things I believe God to be showing me, and it’s a bit different than what mainstream Christianity and other religions teach. As we are all learning, I don’t have all the pieces but now is the time to start putting some of these thoughts out there. Please prayfully consider, seek to be taught by God, consider the source of your truth, and watch all the videos before jumping to assumptions. The entire Word has to fit together, thus one doctrine affects others.

Hell: What is it really? (Part 1)

Hell: Deliverance of Mankind (Part 2)

Hell: God’s Character (Part 3)

Hell: Separation as Kingdom of God Est. (Part 4)

Author: Rachel

My passion is cultivating a deep relationship with God and helping others to do the same. I LOVE sharing with others insights that God has taught me and hearing what God has taught them... thus my blog, Stirring the Deep. My focus is on a relationship, not a religion. Life is in the relationship. I believe in a balance and unity of body, mind and spirit. I feel it's important to nurture all three for they all affect each other. I try to live in the present, where the Holy Spirit is. And I try to do all with the motive of love. I've come to believe life is a journey and not a destination. It isn't about perfection, is it about growth.

50 thoughts on “Series on Hell

  1. Just listened to the first video — the journey — this is great! It’s precisely what God has been showing me. Only you gave me a nudge; we’re on our way out right NOW! Hooray! You are a blessing, Sister.

    Love, Cindy

    • Hi Cindy – God’s been opening my eyes to the extent of His salvation plan; nothing short of glorious in the perfect love it contains.There is so much to learn, but scriptures are lining up as they never had before; the connections between them is astounding. The extent of God’s love and grace is tremendous. Thanks for the repost.

  2. a great subject to help discover Truth

    all man made religions, especially a vast spectrum of pagan christianity teach a false doctrine on death,.you die you go to hell,..or as many foolishly believe go straight to Heaven,..alive in spirit,…that is TOTAL LIE,

    1.humans need to understand we cant go to Heaven,where Almighty God Dwells
    2.there are 2 ‘hells’..one where there disobedient angels are kept alive,described as the ‘prison’/the bottomless pit/the abyss,..(humans cant go there either,..the other hell/’pit’ to us is just the grave,..also described as the ‘waterless pit’ (when Our Messiah died His Body went to the tomb/the waterless pit….BUT. ..He was made alive in Spirit and went to PREACH for 3 days and nights to the imprisoned spirits in the bottomless pit,..in the depths of the earth,…as Written 1Peter 3 v 18 v 19
    3.The Resurrection,..if you dont understand is the dead being raised to life and judgement,..ONLY…AFTER,…HIS PHYSICAL Return,…be it at the 7 Trumpet..or a 1000 years after,…but it will NOT happen until then!…

    any teaching other than this goes against and totally taking away from what Our Saviour taught,
    and..disrespecting His Righteous Place….and The Power and Glory given to Him,by His Father,. to physically and spiritually raise the dead to life when ,..and only when,He is Sent Back here in The ‘Flesh’ (to be seen by all alive at the time)..,by His Father to this,His, World/Earth/Big Floating Sphere in space to Rule it Forever as King…and over a period restore This World and over a time period raise all the dead,…..read it and rejoice

    Ecc 9 .v 4- v 10…dosent leave us in any doubt what the dead know or dont know when they go to their grave

    in Job 21,..leaves us in no doubt death makes no distinction

    Job 21, v 23…v 25 v 26

    23 One dieth in his full strength, being wholly at ease and quiet.

    25 And another dieth in the bitterness of his soul, and never eateth with pleasure.

    26 They shall lie down alike in the dust, and the worms shall cover them.

    and as Written in Genesis,..”for dust you are and to dust you will return”.

    king David understood ,..death/sleep in the dust with the fathers, very well,..and refers to it many times in the Psalms…and The Lord promised him he would raise him in the endtimes to be prince over the Israelites, FOREVER!

    and,Saul and Johnathon learned a lesson,we all should take heed of and discern!

    1 Samuel 28…………Saul asked the witch at Endor to bring UP the spirit of Samuel the Prophet,…NOTE ‘UP is used a few times to bring his spirit to talk to Saul,..and Samuel rebukes him for ‘disturbing him,by bringing him up’….i think we can discern Samuels ‘spirit’ though dead was brought up,..and therefore, not in Heaven!

    and 2 great pieces of Scripture,..separating God The Father,..and His Son,..,..who we know and understand by the awesome Holy Spirit,are One

    The Father Most High
    Mark 12:27
    He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living:

    The Son,The Messiah, Immanuel,
    Romans 14

    9 For to this end The Messiah, both died, and rose, and revived, that He might be Lord both of the dead and living.

  3. I just finished listening to the final one, Rachel. Really great and timely word to the body of Christ. Thanks!

  4. My question to you
    would be this.
    Why take a word in the
    Bible (Hell) and theorize about
    it? Or make it a theoretical
    state of being?
    If you do that, you have made
    it undefineable, and unjudgeable.
    In that sense there
    is zero Truth, involved in the formula.
    You, have made it a theory by
    definition, and that’s not a Truth.
    First you said Hell would be
    destroyed.
    Then you said it doesn’t exist
    except as a state of conception.
    I don’t think God’s judgements are
    a conception.
    If Hell is a theory or judgement in
    conception,
    then my conception is as good
    as yours.

    • 1 Corin 2:14 “But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

      Hell is very real, not a theory. But as you look at the entire world .. it paints a different picture than the mass conception of eternal torment.

      Matthew 13:34 “All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them,”

      Jesus Christ, the Word, speaks in parables .. we must go to Him, our Teacher and learn the meaning.

      • Rachel, I’m not being a
        smart elect, but do you
        think this is a parable?

        John 18:20 Jesus
        answered him, “I spoke
        openly to the world. I always
        taught in synagogues and in
        the temple, where the Jews
        always meet, and in secret
        I have said nothing.”

      • Only those with the ears to hear understand. For those who have the ears, the parable clarifies .. to others that don’t it hides the truth. But if you seek the truth from God and trust HIM to teach you … you will find. Matthew 7:7

        Matthew 13:13 “Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.”

        Matthew 13:15-16 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.’ But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;

        Matthew 23:8-10 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.

  5. Reblogged this on Journey into the Son and commented:
    My friend Rachel just posted this at Stirring the Deep. She has some provocative and enlightening things to say. Let me know what you think!

  6. In Matthew 16:19-31 Jesus tells about a seperation in hell where the rich man was in hell…where he was in torment. The beggar was carried to Abraham’s side…

    • hmmm,..theres alot more to that parable than you are taking from it,..alot more

      • Luke 12:5 “But I will
        show you whom you
        should fear: Fear Him who,
        after He has killed, has
        power to cast into hell; yes,
        I say to you, fear Him!

        Nothing to discern here.

      • The story of the rich man and the beggar is not a parable. A parable is a story that illustrates spiritual truths. But characters and the story itself are relevant to a true happening in the real world. That’s why proper nouns (names of individuals such as John, Peter, Smith) are not used in parables.

        But Jesus has used a proper noun to refer to the beggar. He has referred to the beggar by his name as ‘Lazarus’. And also Jesus has referred to Abraham. Jesus has clearly mentioned what Abraham communicated with the rich man.

        Please note all the parables of Jesus in the Bible for the fact that none of them contains names of real people.

        My opinion on this topic (hell) is that hell is real which is in the centre of the earth. I have done an article, titled, “Eternal Judgement” on this topic according to the discernment I have received through the Holy Spirit.
        (Link – http://www.thejoelsarmy.com/2012/05/eternal-judgement-part-1.html),

        But I never claim to be perfect in everything I have shown because we all know in part until we come to perfection according to Apostle Paul.

        1 Corinthians 13:9-10
        For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

        Iroshan Perera

      • Correction in the first paragraph of my above comment…

        “But characters and the story itself are NOT relevant to a true happening in the real world.”

    • Along with that parable in Luke 16:19-31 … read Matthew 19:23-26.

      • In that context,
        please explain the
        statements,
        “remember” and
        “in thy lifetime”
        below.

        Luke 16:25 But Abraham
        said, Son, remember that
        thou in thy lifetime receivedst
        thy good things, and likewise
        Lazarus evil things: but now
        he is comforted, and thou art
        tormented.

      • Please explain,
        ‘died, and was buried.’
        (below)

        Luke 16:22 And it came
        to pass, that the beggar
        died, and was carried by
        the angels into Abraham’s
        bosom: the rich man also died,
        and was buried;

  7. 2 Peter 2:4
    For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment

    The Bible makes clear there are 2 different ‘hells’..’pits’….’sheols’..call them what you will

    the human,..’hell’/’pit’…is just the grave,…the waterless pit!…

    certainly not the the hell spoke of in 2 Peter 2 v 4 or 1 Peter 3 v 18-19…known as the ‘bottomless pit’

    i think people need to discern the what is meant that is Written,…’fear Him that can KILL the soul’

  8. Anonymous …of course Luke 16 v 19-31 is a parable,..a fantastic parable,..

    i mean the ‘rich man’ calls Abraham, Father,….surely there is only One Father,..and are we not told to call no one Father…..and what use would dipping a ‘finger’ in water be?

  9. One of the biggest lies spewed out by pagan Christianity is Eternity spent in Heaven,..not one place in The Whole of Scripture does it say that,..quite the opposite actually,..The Messiah will Reign as King on This, His Fathers Earth, Forever,..as it is Written.

    in fact i can find anywhere that says any human will be in ‘hell’ for enternity,

    why if our lives are described as a ‘vapour’,..as in

    James 4, v 14,For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away

    why,would Our Loving Heavenly Father,..His Son,..or Holy Spirit want to keep something that lives for so short of time in torment for ever?..

    from what i can discern,.only 3 entities are thrown into the ‘lake of burning sulphur’…satan,..the beast from the pit,..and the false prophet,..we can discern,..this is not the bottomless pit as satan is in it for 1000 years,..while the beast n false prophet are in the ‘lake of sulphur’

    what we dont know is,.. what is the ‘lake of sulphur’?

    as for everyone else they go into the ‘lake of fire’..with ‘death’ and ‘hell’/’hades’,..call it what you will,..who’s names arent Written in The Book of Life.

    the only other group,..tares/satans seed/the brute beasts type humans,..the Waterless-spring ones,..hmmm,..’blackest darkness’ is reserved for them,..
    is this Bible speak for nothingness?

    as for the disobedient angels that are in The Fathers Prison,..what of them?,..are they getting their punishment now in ‘prison’ to actually maybe be forgiven?

    The Parables of The Lost Sheep,..and The Prodigal Son,..have maybe more meaning to them than what is taught in Churches too!,..just like the lies of Eternity in Heaven…or hades/hell….as they both go into the lake of ‘fire’ forever!,..from that we can discern,..theres nothing going to be in them then!

    Thankfully we can take comfort that Our Heavenly Father has Chosen A Loving Gentle Humble King to be over us Forever,..and The Fairest Judge

  10. Good on you Rachel for being brave enough to look into & speak up about this issue.

    You might be interested in Evangelical Universalism? Have you come across it?

  11. Something I have been searching myself. hell and damnation that is taught in most churches. the past few months I have been questioning this doctrine. I think the translations have interpreted this incorrectly. It makes sense now that when we die we are in a state of sleep until Jesus comes back. Rachel appreciate this teaching on this very important subject.

    • Hi .. there is so much to this topic, much to learn. But as I’ve been seeking now for 11 years reading daily and seeking truth with all that’s in me .. God keeps showing me bit by bit something quite different. I felt compelled to start sharing some of my thoughts on this. His truly is loving and good .. far more than people understand.

  12. Rachel, the Lord sent
    your kitten to flash light
    in your eyes three times
    to try and correct you.
    wake up.
    wake up.
    see the light.
    He always corrects by love,
    with those closest to our heart.
    The Word.
    A Kitten.
    A Friend.
    Three witnesses.

  13. i ponderest Proverbs 26:4-5

  14. {A definition for fool you
    may have never seen before.}

    One with a marked propensity
    or fondness for something.

    • well,as an Israelite, i’ll disregard that definition totally when dealing with the which what is meant with the ‘ fool ‘ of Proverbs 26

      “The contemporary definition of the term “fool” as one who lacks judgement or fails to exercise reason, the Hebrew terms of “fool” and “foolish” describe a person who does not believe in God and is ignorant of wisdom based on God’s moral standard. Furthermore the terms indicate that instead of lacking mental capacity, the fool fails to learn from experience and continues to repeatedly make the same foolish mistakes in their life of self-indulgence.

      Within Proverbs, various types of fools are described. There are the simple minded, gullible, or naive who are open to instruction to the perverse, hardened, and wicked who delight in wrong behaviour. Most of Proverbs’ antithetical parallelisms contrast the wise with the hardened fool, which emphasize how to live through wise behaviour and attitude with how not to live through bad or immoral behaviour and prideful attitude.”

      i’m sure you will agree?

      • I leave the word fool in
        God’s hands.
        But I can see you are
        a teacher of fools.
        My comparisons are only
        based on the importance
        of an issue, rather than
        the repetitive nature of failure.
        Try and try and again, is always
        an acceptabel princilple for learning,
        and allows me to be comfortable
        in the prescence of the most naive,
        with an even greater intensity of
        interest in their character.
        Those who have the least,
        are always the most interesting
        for me, because of their humorous
        asperations.
        Blessed are the poor in spirit.
        I Am, guilty of being the most
        naive, of that you were correct.

  15. I think as we get closer to the end – God’s truth shall reveal to those who seek him with their whole hearts that God is LOVE not of this world, pouring forth mercy that endures forever. Yet, some will cling to a false, man-made image of him – which image shall be revealed to be more and more montserous as the light of truth shines upon it.

  16. Anonymous
    I think we would be better to leave all Teaching in the hands of The Almighty Fathers, Chosen Son and Holy Spirit.
    i am not a teacher to anyone,..my comments on here are only to and most likely will be understood by the lost sheep Israelites,..those ‘mad spiritual ones’,..as described and Written of long ago in Scripture,about the times and the time,times just ahead!
    Israelites are either slaves or prisoners,..and theres Only One that can free them from either state!

    • Some teaching is plainly
      spoken in the Bible.
      Yes, you are a teacher to
      others, whenever you claim
      to know the truth, you are
      held responsible as being
      a teacher.
      I encourage you to keep an
      open mind to others who
      disagree with your interpretations.
      When your ideas become so
      esoteric, that others who have
      the Holy Spirit are in complete
      disagreement with you, the
      time has come to interact,
      with your brothers and sisters.
      Rebelling against what you believe
      to be a system, is not the same
      as interaction with the Holy Spirit.
      The Holy Spirit, is not lending himself
      to those who follow fleshly zeal, because
      they feel empowered by authority of
      knowledge.
      The Holy Spirit is an examiner of your
      intent. When you resist God’s people,
      your resisting the Spirit they represent.
      The Church is Christs bride.
      Again, keep an open mind.
      You are no less suseptible to deception
      than another, and a pedigree is useless,
      in a discussion about Jesus.
      Interact with your brothers and sisters,
      and see if you are in the Spirit.
      This isn’t solitaire.

  17. Anonymous
    only people who share the Israelite faith,are my brothers and sisters..be they lost Israelites,..or pagan gentiles or ex-christians,..but they cannot be both as its Written!….but to be clear only people who spiritually seek and follow the True Israelite faith of The Holy Bible are my, ‘brothers’ and ‘sisters’..that dosent even include my sibblings or my friends!

    everyone that uses The Holy Spirit will sooner or later come to realise The Son of God Almighty is The King of Israelites,….not King of jews,pagans gentiles or roman doctrine following christians,..King of Israel, both Houses,.and those who come out of other pagan worshiping religions.

    and know this,..the Holy Spirit is leading all those that hear ‘His Voice’ out of what you call the ‘system’..if your in it,..get out!

    as for The Bridgrooms’ Bride,..i think if you Truly Study Scripture you see its the 144,000 …and they are all ISRAELITES,…from all the Tribes of Israelites,..not jews,pagan,greeks,romans,roman christians, protestant christians, etc etc,…JUST… Israelites,..im sure if your Studing with The Holy spirit you will see this VERY plainly and agree,..its well documented in Rev 7

  18. The Holy Spirit is given
    to those who have accepted
    Jesus Christ as savior.
    That is the system.
    But when you reject your
    brothers and sisters
    you don’t have the Holy Spirit.
    And when you don’t have the
    same counsel,
    you don’t know God.

  19. i dont reject anyone,…and certainly not my brothers and sisters that share my Faith,..and Love of Truth,.Im Commanded to do so

    ..because i will not turn back to my brothers and sisters who are happy in the ‘world system’ dosent mean to say i dont love them as fellow humans even though i fully reject the false teaching they follow.

    Its The King of Israel,that will reject those brother and sister humans of mine that dont Love the Truth,..or even seek it!

    as Written Matt 7

    22 Many will say to Me in that Day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name, and in Thy name have cast out devils, and in Thy name done many wonderful works?’

    23 And then will I profess unto them, ‘I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.’

    24 “Therefore, whosoever heareth these sayings of Mine and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, who built his house upon a rock.

    heres wisdom in my love for you brother human,,regardless of you worldly beliefs…..build your house on The Rock of Israel,..then when its built it will be part of the HOUSE of Israel,..and City!….do this and you’ll see that we will become Israelite brothers will One King!

  20. You don’t reject anyone,
    because you reject everyone.
    You whole belief system is
    one of Paranoia, that some
    unclean leper may rub shoulders
    with your Holiness, and contaminate
    you.
    If Jesus could touch a leper,
    and not be afraid, it’s pretty much
    a joke that you claim to know God,
    but you can’t go into a Church
    Building, without feeling that
    God is too uncaring to show up.
    He just can’t handle a complicated
    group of people.
    Or that He despises these people.
    He has no interest in the people
    he created for fellowship with him,
    only truth, that can’t touch a leper,
    that’s unclean in your eyes.
    But he’s always willing to accept You?
    But not the stupid unclean,
    that your so afraid of.

    • The Almighty God of Israel has been rejected by the church belief system,…and i certainly dont have to go to a church building where the people foolishly and wantonly mix their form of Worship with paganism….and wont.
      His people have turned away from Him,…we have to turn back to Him,…i have,….and I give all praise and Glory to Him through His Chosen Holy One,His Only Son,Immanuel The Messiah,..Whom Through the Most Awesome Holy Spirit has lead a sinner like me every step along the most testing of narrow paths out of the Sodom and Gomorrah roman pagan church run ‘world’ system

      and,..the same message is for you me and everyone else,..’remember Lots wife’!….that means leave the stinking rotten ‘city’ ‘church/world system’ and dont look back,..even if your family friends dont want or wont leave,…because He is going to destroy the the ‘world/church system’ just exactly like He did Sodom and Gomorrah!..just as it is Written!….but not many church building ministers/priests/pastors will touch that Prophetic Scripture!

      your misunderstanding of The Bride,…reminded me of The prophetic Parable of the 10 Virgins awaiting The Bridegrooms’ Return,….and the 5 foolish eyes firmly closed ones,..they are with the Wise,with exact same lamps,…but still, fail the get the oil they need.

      i’ll give you the bread and oil of them two parables to help you understand while there is still time,…the days of testing and darkness and clouds are fast approaching,…and as a human brotherly loving warning,..its this,..Gen 18 and Gen 19,…in time scale we’re about where,..The One is waiting with Abraham,….and the other Two Angels are already in the city!

      • Why should you care?
        You don’t have any Love
        in your heart, so, it’s not
        going to do you any good
        no matter what you believe.
        Other people may have turned
        away, From Him
        but you never turn, To Him.
        All you do, is turn people away.
        Now, you’ve turned- yourself
        away.

    • Hi … As I was reading this dialogue .. this verse came to mind among many others..
      Lam 2:7 The Lord has spurned His altar, He has abandoned His sanctuary; He has given up the walls of her palaces Into the hand of the enemy. They have made a noise in the house of the LORD As on the day of a set feast. ..

      The image of God in the church system is just that an image … set up by Satan. Satan puts himself as God. He creates an image that people worship. The church system and religions are full of false images of God (you can see this as you look at other religions you don’t believe in and Christianity has this too in a God of eternal torment).. thus it isn’t about the living God, but a false image. Following the Christianity religion .. mnay hold worship a God of eternal torment which has be crafted by Satan as he twists the scriptures.

      Those worshipping a false image .. thus not knowing or worshipping the true God will fall under the judgment and wrath of God .. though the judgment of God is used for correction .. and He will deliver them in the end. This is how incredible loving He is .. and what He did through Christ’s death and resurrection. It’s His mercy that endures forever, not His wrath. People are serving the wrong God .. that is why you leave the church system .. it’s being in a pagan temple .. when you know the true God, why would you be there? Do you love the people? Yes. Does God? Yes .. that is why He sent Christ to save them from the monstrosities of deception. But many are given over to this delusion for a time, until lies and the Father of Lies is destroyed.

  21. Iroshan Perera
    I think The Scripture of The rich man,Lazarus,and Father Abraham is A Parable,…and if you read over it in spirit with The Holy Spirit you find that it does illustrate spiritual truths!

    as for the ‘bottomless pit’ where the fallen angels are,in the centre of the earth,.where The Messiah was the whole time from His death til His Resurrection,ALIVE in Spirit PREACHING to them,..and where Satan will be bound for a 1000 years,….i’ll agree its there and very real!….but i will totally disagree with you that any human will go there,…there is just no Scripture that indicates this,…opinions are fine,and can be wrong….but ..Scripture is Truth,..have you any Scripture that would support your opinion?

    • Ezekiel 32:27 They do not lie with the
      mighty who are fallen of the uncircumcised,
      who have gone down to hell.

    • thethreshermansson

      While a parable illustrates a spiritual truth, all true stories too illustrate spiritual truths. But Jesus used a parable in order to keep certain spiritual truths in hiding from certain segments. .

      (Matthew 13:10-13)
      And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

      The story of the rich man and the beggar could be understood even by a small child as it is merely a true story with the names of the persons. But many people think it as a parable for the fact that they get into a big problem in analyzing the structure of hell if it is taken as a true story.

      But nothing is hidden to those who learn from the Holy Spirit as it is said in 1 John 2:27, But if all of us claim that we learn from the Holy Spirit, how come there could be controversy? If the same Spirit is teaching everybody, everybody should be in agreement.

      There is a tendency for a person who believes that he or she learns from the Holy Spirit to think that others are not so led by the Holy Spirit whenever they have to face a controversy. This thinking turns into a big issue when two persons who claim to learn from the Holy Spirit have contradictory statements on a matter as both of them cling to what they believe.

      May the Holy Spirit guide all of us so that all of us have the same understanding of the Truth!

      I would like to invite you to read my article on ‘The Dead’ wherein I have explained the structure of hell before Christ died on the cross and the new structure after Christ died on the cross. All statements are backed by the Scripture. I have given enough scriptures in this article to say that certain people are still going to the centre of the earth after their death.

      Link -http://www.thejoelsarmy.com/2012/05/dead-part-1.html

      • i guess we are just going to have to disagree on whether its a ‘Parable’ or not,..as its Written The Messiah only spoke in Parables
        id say only becoming like a small child in spirit will anyone understand fully any ‘parable’

        and i will agree that there is Only One Truth for each of us,and until we sit and Our King Teaches us Himself Face to face,.it is Only The Holy Spirit from Him that Teaches us in the here and now!,..if we truly from our hearts seek Him.

        ps,..i will read your article on Joels army when i get the time,..and comment

  22. The moment we close our minds to other possibilities in scripture just because of tradition or denomination we are are grave danger in my opinion. We become a follower of men rather than God. We must be like the bereans.

    • Hi Mike – much agreed … we need to be open to the teaching of the Holy Spirit in all areas. He says He will teach us and we need to trust Him to do that.

  23. In Ezekiel 32:27 wouldn’t it be possible that Sheol means grave not a physical place?

  24. In the Old Testament, there are two Hebrew words used to refer to the place in the heart of the earth where the dead are going. These two words are SHEOL and SHACHATH.

    SHEOL – The Hebrew word ‘sheol’ means ‘UNDERWORLD’ or ‘HELL’. However, in English translation, in certain places, the word ‘GRAVE’ has also been used to replace the Hebrew word – ‘sheol’.

    Nevertheless, the total area in the heart of the earth where all dead souls are placed are referred to as SHEOL or HELL.

    Proverbs 27:20
    Hell (SHEOL) and destruction are never full;

    SHACHATH
    The Hebrew word ‘shachath’ means ‘GRAVE’ or ‘PIT’. But this grave or pit is not the grave or pit or tomb (sepulchre) we see in the cemetery.

    The Hebrew word ‘qĕbuwrah’ is used to mean the grave or tomb in the cemetery. Look at the below scriptures:

    Genesis 35:20
    And Jacob set a pillar upon her grave (qĕbuwrah): that is the pillar of Rachel’s grave (qĕbuwrah) unto this day.

    Genesis 47:30
    But I will lie with my fathers, and thou shalt carry me out of Egypt, and bury me in their buryingplace(qĕbuwrah). And he said, I will do as thou hast said.

    Deuteronomy 34:5-6
    So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.

    SHACHATH shows a restricted area in SHEOL (HELL) for a dead soul. Look at the below scriptures where SHACHATH has been used:

    Job 33:18
    He keepeth back his soul from the pit (shachath), and his life from perishing by the sword.

    Job 33:22
    Yea, his soul draweth near unto the grave (shachath), and his life to the destroyers.

    Every dead soul has a place called SHACHATH in SHEOL. In other words, every dead soul has a grave in hell, which is located in the heart of the earth. King Solomon refers to these graves as the chambers of death in hell.

    Proverbs 7:27
    Her house is the way to hell (sheol ),going down to the chambers of death.

  25. I think we get ourselves incredibly confused about the nature of hell because we overlook one little thing: It was the Greek philosopher Plato (424 – 348BC) who argued that the soul is indestructible. Wikipedia offers a good read about other views on whether non-Christians go to hell forever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mortalism

  26. Hi Rachel, can you explain to me Rev. 20: 13-15? Thanks

    • Hi Frank, very good question … the lake of fire … Here are some things to consider: First God is a consuming fire (Hebrews 12:29), His word is fire (Jeremiah 23:29), and when we are refined by Him, we become a part of Him thus also are part of the fire. Revelation is about righteousness (truth) reigning where evil (lies) once did. I’ve been looking at a lot of Revelation lately … there are a lot of pieces to put together and I’m still getting clarity on these verses and how they fit in. Keep seeking.

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