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Liquid Light from the Mountaintop

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Liquid Light

from the

Mountaintop

 

Over the weekend, I received a beautiful experiential vision…

In a vast field, a youthful feminine spirit sat in the cooling shade of an enormous tree. From her posture one could see she was immersed in contemplative prayer. Heaviness cloaked her form, as her mouth silently echoed her soulful longings. Despite her youthful appearance, a magnitude of profundity draped her pensive state.

In the atmosphere of her spirit, she heard a call to meet a fellow and beloved soul, who stood waiting on a familiar mountaintop. This soul had been a teacher, counselor and friend through many and varied sojourns of her soul. Her heart swelled with anticipation of seeing her cherished friend. She beckoned her soul-mate to join her, who also knew this admired soul. As if time ceased to exist, her soul-mate’s hand immediately slipped into hers.

Moving as a wistful breeze, they ascended the mountain, hand-in-hand. Gazing into the distance, her longing and hope-filled eyes beheld the one whose words had been like springs of water in a desert land. Even at this distance, his countenance radiated like an awaking sun as it engulfs the darkness of the fading night. As they drew closer, the synergistic connection between their kindred spirits grew stronger.

Then her eyes met his gaze for the first time. All her prior engagements with him had been in the spirit, as if speaking through an impermeable veil separating two rooms. Until now, she had yet to behold him face-to-face. She fell upon his neck with exuding joy. Though she or her soul-mate had not seen him before, their union was that of old friends, for they had spent many days and nights together conversing about the deep treasures and mysteries of the spirit. Then, the three souls merged into a singular brotherly kinship.

As they released their embrace, their friend’s form began to take on the appearance of a translucent crystal; an essence that was complex yet clear. It was if they could see through him into another dimension. Then the most glorious sensation that was profoundly gentle and yet strong came from beyond their friend, moved through him, and penetrated the depths of their souls. This incoming essence from beyond was also familiar to them, for they had learned of its likeness, yet to feel it was unlike anything they had felt before.

With the inflow of this Spirit’s magnitude, the soul-mates crumbled to their knees as they cleaved to one another. As the overwhelming Essence of perfect eternal love filled them, they opened their mouth in a tender cry, which carried volumes of gratitude, joy and relief, the long awaited words, “Abba, Father”. Their divine Father drew their souls into his bosom like ones coming home after a long and arduous journey. Like a dawning day, his immaculate love flowed into them and regenerated their souls as it deliberately and gently brought waves of healing and nurturing to all the wounds and weariness their soulful journey had inflicted.

The one who had always been without, shining like a star in the night sky, was now within as an eternal illumination of a trifold union of divine essence. As their adored Father began to consume and intermingle with their souls, they experienced the oneness that their teacher had requested in his own prayers; I in you and you in me, and we in them. As their Father’s enveloping spirit began to overflow their souls, he streamed down the mountain like liquid light and left nothing untouched by his presence.

 

Author: Rachel

My passion is cultivating a deep relationship with God and helping others to do the same. I LOVE sharing with others insights that God has taught me and hearing what God has taught them... thus my blog, Stirring the Deep. My focus is on a relationship, not a religion. Life is in the relationship. I believe in a balance and unity of body, mind and spirit. I feel it's important to nurture all three for they all affect each other. I try to live in the present, where the Holy Spirit is. And I try to do all with the motive of love. I've come to believe life is a journey and not a destination. It isn't about perfection, is it about growth.

40 thoughts on “Liquid Light from the Mountaintop

  1. With patience you will be engulfed in this same light you have envisioned, in which He is, this is a promise He gives each according to our order. It is a future past tense.

  2. God has a lot more
    love for you than this.
    Imagine having a God that
    loves you, and created you,
    and then trying to compare
    that composition, and his
    love for you, personally,
    to the momentary emotion
    or fantasy, of a dream,
    impression, or vision.
    God created you with wisdom
    before he created the crystal
    ether that your seeking.
    Simply acknowledge or find
    who God is, and you’ll find
    that His essence, is in, knowing
    Him.
    Know who God is.
    Find out who He is.
    To look at God through a
    Keliedescope, while He is standing
    right next to you, waiting for your
    voice, and friendship?
    I say hand him the Keliedescope,
    and know Him.

    • We can’t begin to imagine the love our Creator and divine Father has for us for his love is far greater than ours will ever be, but when we taste its sweetness in our soul we discover it is unlike any other and we desire it to consume us and be what drives our expression. And we find this desire is his desire as well; a desire for an oneness crafted in his divine love.

    • And G, I can appreciate that you are trying to help, but I’ll ask once again to please be respectful. For example, instead of telling me how I am wrong about how I learn and what I learn, try sharing what you are learning on your own journey. If there is something in what you share that is pertinent to where I am at then it will resonate.

      • Beloved Rachel of the LORD, I will like to share this with you

        “Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.”
        1 Corinthians 15:33

        I’m sorry Rachel that they are people like anonymous who go around not spread in loving kindness and in respect of individuality. For people who bear not the fruit of the spirits are not of God… for even if one accepts salvation and know all the scripture, just as the Pharisees did. If that persons is not in accordance with Christ in character… they will not enter the Kingdom.

        “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.”- Matthew 7:21

        What may ask what is the will of the LORD… in one word Love (Agape). In a few:

        “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” Rev 14:12

        Beloved Rachel of the LORD, you speak forth in righteousness. If I were to ever be blessed with a wife, I will want her to humble and beautiful in the spirit and body, as you… for you are beautifully made in the LORD, and your thoughts are of wisdom and understanding.

        I will give this Scripture, before I go to expose anonymous:

        “Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

        37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

        38 This is the first and great commandment.

        39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

        40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” Matthew 22: 36-40.

        Your individuality is a master piece by the LORD, any who say other wise, is a liar, thief and a killer… who come to destroy. But the LORD has come to give life and give it more abundantly… for He is the Good Shepherd… the Good shepherd that laid His life down for the sheep. The LORD laid His life down for you, for me for us all. He loved us so much… and so to must I love you and all He laid His life down for. For we are His children.

      • Jedi of Christ,

        Thank you for your abundant kindness toward me. We all have our weaknesses, but I feel to uplift instead of break down should be our intention; and by grace the former is accomplished. When we are in a self-righteousness mindset (I’m right and you are wrong), then we are judging and condemning instead of helping another along their very individual path. We are all united, but our how we learn, what we learn, the manner in which we learn is very different because we all have different backgrounds, experiences and personalities. And if we are following the voice of the Spirit of Truth in all things, then our path will not follow the mainstream formulas, because he honors our individuality. There is an absolute truth that creates pure love. All who truly follow the Spirit of Truth learn the same core underlining truths, yet how they are described can actually look quite different, but if you have the truth you can see another is simply painting a picture of how they see that truth in their life. And as we honor that truth, then we learn it flows through our individuality and not through conformity.

    • Anonymous this is a rebuke in love… there is much here, which will be of value to you. Though before I continue… I will say this,

      “20If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also” John 4:20

      Much of what you said has nothing to do with Rachel, but with you because of lust and your desire to control and manipulate. Why do I say this… because you try to impose. Now the rest before you is of good value for your soul, I know you have the capability to do good and speak forth in loving-kindness, but first we must take out the plank from our own eye. And with respect, I do say this is your case.

      “Criticism is the act of judging unfavorably or faultfinding. It is often appropriate to judge a person, thing, or action unfavorably. In fact, a true friend will speak the truth even when it’s hard to hear: “Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but deceitful are the kisses of an enemy” (Proverbs 27:6). Jesus was quite critical of the Pharisees’ hypocrisy, and He expressed His disapproval on several occasions (e.g., Matthew 23). However, Jesus’ criticisms were always truthful and, ultimately, loving.

      Since God loves people and wants the best for them, He points out faults, shortcomings, and sins. The Bible gives several examples of criticism:

      “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did” (Acts 7:51).

      “I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. . . . So because you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth” (Revelation 3:15-16).

      Our speech should be edifying. First Thessalonians 5:11 says, “Therefore encourage one another and build up one another.” Hebrews 10:24 says, “Let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds.” And Galatians 6:1 gives the primary motivation for criticizing—with a warning: “Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.” The Bible gives even more specifics on how to ensure our criticism is edifying:

      Ground criticism in love
      Ephesians 4:15 (“speaking the truth in love”) should be our primary guide in criticism. Godly criticism is true and loving. It comes from a humble, caring heart that wishes the best for the other person. It is not bitter, condescending, insulting, or cold-hearted. Second Timothy 2:24-25a says, “The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition.” And 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 exhorts us, “Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.” Criticism, if it is loving, will express those attributes.

      Make sure criticism is based on truth
      Criticism based on hearsay is not helpful; it is gossip. Uninformed criticism will usually wind up embarrassing the critic when the truth is revealed (see Proverbs 18:13). The self-righteous Pharisees criticized Jesus based on their own faulty standards; truth was not on their side. We can properly be critical of what the Bible is critical of. Second Timothy 3:16 says that Scripture is profitable for reproof and correction. In other words, God’s inspired Word leads us to critically analyze everyday situations.

      Beware of a critical spirit
      There is a significant difference between helping someone improve and having a critical spirit. A critical spirit is never pleased. A critical spirit expects and finds disappointment wherever it looks. It is the opposite of 1 Corinthians 13: a critical spirit arrogantly judges, is easily provoked, accounts for every wrong, and never carries any hope of being pleased. Such an attitude damages the critiqued as well as the critic.

      Biblical criticism is helpful, loving, and based on truth. Correction is to be gentle. It comes from love, not from a sour personality. Galatians 5:22-23 says the Spirit wants to produce in us love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. If criticism cannot be expressed in keeping with the fruit of the Spirit, it’s better left unsaid.”

      Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-criticism.html#ixzz3bJf8yVtI

      I will like to share with you, that you can disagree but don’t be disagreeable. If you truly don’t resonate with beloved sister Rachel of the LORD… then you may freely leave and never return. Though I will testify of Sister Rachel’s loving kindness towards you, she even gave you a rebuke but you paid no heed, considering how you responded. I will also share that certain questions which are limiting, can be insulting. God bless and walk in the Love of God and not of self righteousness.

      Psalm 84:
      Blessed is the man whose strength is in You,
      Whose heart is set on pilgrimage.

      6
      As they pass through the Valley of Baca,
      They make it a spring;
      The rain also covers it with pools.

      7
      They go from strength to strength;
      Each one appears before God in Zion.[b]

      8
      O Lord God of hosts, hear my prayer;
      Give ear, O God of Jacob! Selah

      9
      O God, behold our shield,
      And look upon the face of Your anointed.

      10
      For a day in Your courts is better than a thousand.
      I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God
      Than dwell in the tents of wickedness.

      11
      For the Lord God is a sun and shield;
      The Lord will give grace and glory;
      No good thing will He withhold
      From those who walk uprightly.

      12
      O Lord of hosts,
      Blessed is the man who trusts in You!

  3. Rachel, we often touch on this subject of each coming to our own specific “order” that you addressed in your article and part addressed below and it addresses the “coming forth in ones own “order”. These various orders create confusion with a lot of people as all orders and knowledge to obtain that order are different one from another. To build the house it takes different trades or “gifts.”

    As you say, ” I also am under the current impression, that when the “end comes” though we will awaken as from a dream in a certain progression or order, like light spreading a the dawn of the day, that it will occur within a certain timeframe. 1 Corn 15:22-26 And through this God will be all in all. This oneness of transition reveals our connectedness to each other as brothers and sisters and one beloved Father, and that what Christ did he did for all, as divine love would do. Truly beautiful.” End quote

    The reason for a lot of the misunderstandings of the orders and callings is that each order is different from the other in “processing”, timing, and therefore understanding. The New Testament, although it addresses the 30, 60, and 100 folds by the allegory of the talents and then of the seeds falling upon different grounds (hearts), the New Testament is a book “primarily” addressed to the “over comers” for it is the over comers who will address and help bring along the ones who come after, or in other words the 100 fold of the barley harvest will teach and help complete the 30 and 60 fold people or the wheat and grape harvest as described below.

    What helps to explain this by a natural explanation are the three harvest of the “year”, Passover (barley) Pentecost (wheat), and Feast of Tabernacles (grape).These “three” feast paralleled in understanding the “three” harvest in each year which were (and are spiritually) the barley, wheat and grape harvest. I will try to be brief on these individual harvest, however I want to show how they parallel as to “our” callings in Christ Jesus and show why we should respect all the other callings even though they do not require the same understanding and knowledge of another.

    The “barley” harvest ( Passover) is the first harvest of the year as it comes in early spring as it matures earlier than the other “crops”. The barely is the “first fruits” harvest and it survives, cold, drought, and severe weather conditions better than the wheat and grape harvest which is to come later. The barley is also easier to “process” as it is much easier to separate the chaff ( carnality) from the grain (spirituality) as the barley is only “winnowed” letting the “wind” (good spirit) take the chaff (carnality) away. It is easily separated just as those chosen by God to be in the “barley harvest” are “more” willing to be obedient to the processing and gathering process. These love and “see” the purpose in giving their lives early in the “season” so that they may be available to help in the two up coming harvest, Pentecost (wheat) and Tabernacles (fruit).

    Many think since all will be saved it must be that it is the same processing and understanding for all but the different harvest (of people) requires different weather conditions and therefore a different processing from the other.

    After the barley harvest ( first fruits) comes the wheat (Pentecost) harvest comes and as it is a little more stubborn crop to harvest, it must be “thrashed” unlike” the easier “winnowing” of the barley. As the barely is gathered into the “Master’s barn, so is the wheat but it is a more difficult grain to harvest and it cannot survive the winter as well as the barley. The barely is hardier.

    Then in the latest harvest (30 fold) comes the grape harvest, these “thicker skinned fruits” which have to be “pressed” in the wine press with a greater “persuasion” and force. This is to separate the “flesh” or skin of the grape from the “spirit” (new wine). These are those who have lived life, doing their own thing and have not been easily persuaded to sacrifice temporary earthly pleasures for eternal spiritual truths of God’s likeness, according to God’s will for them.

    All three harvest are ordained by God according to His purpose and to His calling us in our particular order of being “harvested”. When we see people throwing stones and insults toward others of different understandings we can be assured they are probably of the 30 fold calling with little understanding for they are thick skinned and hard to converse with. Or they are immature in understanding of the higher calling they are called to. Never the less it is the same love which calls us all, and it is the same Father of all who will see all completed, some in this order and some in another order. Our gifts and responsibilities are according to our being obedient in following God’s will, denying our own will.

    However, our willingness to suffer the harder winter “or not” is what separates the “high calling in Christ Jesus” from the people or “harvest” of those who come after. The barley people are first matured to then work in the wheat and grape harvest to bring all to completion in order.

    The natural recordings in scripture of the cycles of the year in harvesting the various crops explains and defines the gathering of “all” people to God in an orderly and progressive “way”. As there are different conditions required for the different grains and fruits in a yearly cycle so it is the same for peoples of different callings, orders, and gifts.

    “Without a vision my people perish” says the Lord, so one must have a vision with an understanding of their purpose in life. One must have a vision for oneself to stand the trials of being planted, cultivated, and harvested within their order and calling. Without an understanding of the purpose of life and calling people would simple wilt from a higher calling into the one below as all will be saved, “yet though as by fire” or the fiery processing of God. For He is the consuming fire which will remove all the chaff in our lives, leaving the full likeness of Himself, in time, in the order of our being processed.

    If space and time permitted we could get much more detailed but I hope this giving of the natural to understand the spiritual will lend to the understanding that all the harvest, all the processing we go through, regardless of our individual calling is a calling that includes all people as it says; “As in Adam all die so as in Christ, all will be made alive, each man in his own order.” The emphasis is on timing and order, a sequence for each to be brought forth to be made like the Father.

    No person can be lost as to having salvation but a person can lose and slip into a calling of less requirement.

    1 Corinthians 3:14

    If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

    This verse above states as fact that although one may fail in His calling, he will never the less be saved. He will still have to be processed through the process of having all carnality burned out of himself. This is accomplished through the consuming fire which is of and through God for God is that consuming fire which will take all from us which is not like himself.

    As fire cannot burn up the spirit it can burn up the “chaff” and the wood, hay and stubble which is depicted by our carnality.

    Some will question why the explaining of this knowledge. It is not about revealing knowledge so much as it is about explaining how the love of God works and how the love of God is inclusive in all explanations of the hidden meanings recorded in scripture. To be able to reveal and explain these things is not about showing our depth of understanding and knowledge of these things, it is about revealing the love of God in all sayings, in all the revelations in and of all scripture.

    All explaining of deeper truths should be done with a goal of uniting all with a singleness of purpose and harmony. Knowledge is not to be boasted about or used to raise one’s stature in the eyes of another. Knowledge is given to humble one in the ways of God so that we may be brought to a completeness in Him in the shortest time possible. Knowledge is not given that one may use it for self gain, self adulation, and drawing men to oneself. Knowledge when properly dispensed brings about an understanding where one learns to love the other without selfish thoughts of bringing the other under their own control, making men subservient to the flesh…or themselves.

    This allegory of the harvest explains that God will gather all , leaving the 99 and going after the very last one of us, but each in His own order. Knowledge explained properly can only bring truth and light to all who seek the likeness of Christ for Christ is truth and we can only know truth by becoming part of this truth. The various harvest is about becoming truth in the likeness of God in various orders through Christ, through a gradual process of being cultivated to bring forth fruit until we are fully gathered, fully harvested, and fully gathered unto Him.

    In sharing these things I may be redundant and repetitive, in trying to get the point across from more angles than one so please accept my apology for this repetitiveness.

    This confirms all you said in this article…just from a slightly different perspective.

    Sonny

    • Hi Sonny,

      You have learned some very interesting parallels, so thank you for sharing them. I truly appreciate it.

      We are obviously at all different levels of spiritual maturity that comes from an expanding awareness of the truth that produces divine love. We each can only walk our own journey as honestly as we can and encourage others to do the same.

      As I’ve sought and learned according to my purpose, the Spirit of truth has painted many visions of which words can only skim the depth they reflect. It is these understandings of truth built upon truth that direct me and encourage me along my path. We each have a unique purpose and we receive what we need when we need it according to our purpose. Our Father provides what we need when we need it, if we are willing to “see”, and also willing to “listen.” It amazes how we each learn so differently, yet when we are learning from the Spirit of Truth the understandings overlay in such beautiful and fascinating ways.

      Rachel

      • Hi Rachel,

        Thank you for your kind words….

        I have long ago been made aware that though I may understand many deep mysteries, knowledge, and understand much about the symbols, types and shadows, it is nothing compared to the substance of the love we all seek. As the saying goes though we may have all these “things” and have not love (charity) we have nothing.

        What God has taught me is to seek Him, His likeness, His nature, His very substance. This I do. I never asked to have a great knowledge and understanding of the scriptures, I simply ask for “Him” to come into my life and make me like Him. I asked for what was important, I did not ask for what would make me “look good” in other people’s eyes. By experience I can now look back and truly “see” my journey and the why of a lot of things.

        Because I sought His love, wanting His ways and willing to sacrifice my life (my carnal ways) to take on His, the knowledge and understanding came without effort for I came to realize that by seeking the genuine spirit of God, these other things were just an explanation of what we are to seek. Knowledge is nothing but a premature description of the true substance of who God is. Would we rather have Him and His very nature, or just know “about” it so we can pipe back and forth to another, showing how smart we are. This is the way religion is, it is far from the truth.

        I do not boast in the least about these things for boasting is one of those things we give up and sacrifice to make room for another higher spirit. There is no pomp and pride to be found in truth. I am not so sure we are on a different level of maturity as you say for you seem to base that on my revealing of many allegories. This is only knowledge. If you have the love of God in it’s truest sense and continue to seek after this love, then there is nothing higher to obtain to.

        So, let us be thankful that we can share in these revealed truths by the letter but please know it is the love of communing with the spirit which makes us mature. We may be able to explain all scripture but intellect is not love. It is a humble way, void of pride, which brings us to stand in Him. All sin is based in three things; the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life. We very well understand the first two, however it is the pride of life that escapes most knowlegable people of the scriptures for they take the good things of God, even of those revealed mysteries I share sometimes, and they by the pride of life take these sayings and teach them in such a way that draw men to themselves. Instead they should by humble means teach the love of God to all.

        It is the intent and motive of the heart which makes one wise or foolish. Two people can read the same lines from a page and teach others what they think these lines mean. The fool teaches these words for the purpose of seeking adulation from those they “teach” and by doing so they give off a spirit of a “pride of life” as placing themselves between those they speak to and God, so that people start to admire the person speaking from a position of “glory seeking” instead of God. The humble desire nothing for themselves, they do not seek what is only lawful for God to have, and this is the ability to worship God directly without ones inserting themselves where only God should stand in a person’s heart.

        Deceit is subtle, while all the “words” may be in correct order and the congregation hears them, but they are said with the heart of man and with “the pride of life” as their amplifier. The man stands before others and with the nature of an unregenerate soul, as Eve, leads others astray by words of deception. The words seem pure but they are given from one who thinks they give God the praise when in fact they draw men to themselves.

        This is not done in many cases intentionally, it is just that the heart of this minister or speaker is unconverted and vein pride takes the place in wanting to be recognized for what they know and say. This pride is of the a satanic mind and many ministers teach from the mind of their father, the devil. When you see a teacher, minister, preacher, or in whatever capacity a person may speak, which has a great desire for the focus to be on themselves in what they do and share this one is not of God, they are of the one who takes the things of God and make them their own. But…these things are not for them. They are thieves and robbers, taking what belongs to God and requiring people to give it to themselves instead. Praise is for God, thankfulness is to be directed toward God. It is a matter of understanding and prioritizing of when the words are given and for what purpose.

        Do we desire for others to seek and worship God or do we seek “a pride of life”? A look at me attitude. Most “Christians” are “proud” in a vein way to be a Christian, they with the pride of the devil “boast” of what they have (knowledge about things) when they should be humble and grateful for the quiet spirit they should instead possess.
        This is the question we need to ask ourselves “each” time we speak, teach or share with another. Self is a subtle being. Many do not even see that self is nothing more than a self seeking ego. They think is it a grand thing to strut around, speaking great words of wisdom ( or so they think) when they are nothing but a fool, drawing eyes to themselves instead of pointing to the true way, the “way” of Christ.

        I am not being blunt to do harm to anyone, but to turn anyone that does not understand the difference between the nature of the carnal man and the nature of God. We must always be aware of our intent and motivation for what we say and do.

        So…it is the character of our heart and the character (of God) we seek which determines our level of maturity, and not necessarily the words we use. I do appreciate your kind words and the respect you show when we converse on various subjects. It is a true blessing to converse with another who sees the priority in life and what it is. When one learns to love another inspite of what another believes, they truly have a great ability to help this other because their focus is on seeing love grow in this other, leaving out any self seeking admiration for themselves for what they may say and teach, or to be known for the knowledge God “gives” to them.

        The intent of the heart gives the direction to our words, so our intent should be to study the likeness of God and pursue this straight and narrow path only.

  4. One must choose to
    accept Christ Jesus as
    their Savior.
    This is the only order for
    salvation.
    Maturity and works, do not
    qualify one for salvation.
    Salvation from sin comes to
    all, the same way.
    By receiving Jesus as the
    restitution for sin.
    This never comes on a level
    or through tiers, or through
    steps, or through the maturity of
    works.
    Salvation is not by your
    work, or works.
    Jesus did the work, we do
    the receiving, of His work.
    Those who do not receive
    the work of Jesus will not
    be saved, and have not received
    the order of God.
    These are those without the
    Light.

    • One person sees one level of creation and another sees another part. One sees the exterior of a tree and another in a deeper awareness “sees” the inner workings of the tree. May we understand that we see differently and that those differences don’t necessary mean one is right or wrong, just different, for we see according to our individuality and purpose that is designed by our divine Father, of whom we are all his beloved children.

      • Ok.
        Let me run a thought by you.
        Decide in your heart whether,
        or to what level, your statement is
        important to you.
        For instance, you can see your life
        as flippant, or eternally important.
        You can treat spiritual material,
        or statements made about God, to you,
        as flippant, and fun, or of eternal
        significance and very serious.
        If you see spirituality on this second
        level, meaning having eternal consequence,
        then that means to misunderstand this,
        is wrong.
        It is wrong, in error, and of serious eternal
        consequence to treat spiritual subject
        matter, as just a flippant difference
        in viewpoint.
        If I ask if you can see this point,
        does that make me less significant
        to You?
        Does the fact that I am pointing this
        out to you, mean I am wrong?
        I can see the difference between right
        and wrong, and I am therefore wrong
        about it?

        This is a philosophical question I am
        posing, you can treat it lightly or take
        it seriously.
        But whatever your viewpoint, it doesn’t
        change the underlying question.
        Either God means what He says or He
        doesn’t.
        It’s a game, or it’s real.
        If all viewpoints count, then you’ve chosen
        a path that says, spirituality, and God,
        are a game.

        (I appreciated your comment)
        These are my thoughts about it.

      • Hi .. I believe we are children who have a loving Father who knows us better than we know ourselves. That the way he oversees each one of us is perfect. That he shows patience through all our ups and downs as we wrestle with all the questions and scenarios that life brings our way, that are there to teach us .. ultimately about a sincere love. I also believe he is sovereign and his will is stronger than our wills that are misguided in many ways. We have an illusion of our will being stronger, but in the end we will see his perfect Fatherhood. If our will was stronger then we would be stronger than God, which isn’t possible. We each have our own path to walk and we can only walk our own. We all journey in different ways for we have different lessons to learn, but as a perfect and loving Father he is leading each one of to him, whether we fully realize it at a certain stage in life or not.

      • Thanks for you comment
        Rachel. I understand your
        viewpoint. If you would like me
        to continue the conversation,
        please say so.
        There is truth in your comment,
        however God does not see us,
        or treat us as immature, bondslaves.
        When you say, we journey in different
        ways, it sounds more like your saying
        that ‘we tend to emphasize, what we
        want to believe’.
        Even though God obviously makes
        allowances for this, it should be
        our ultimate goal to understand His
        intensions, as far as what He wants
        from us.
        So when He is leading, I am guessing
        if we are following His plan, then there
        is a greater commonality in the way
        he leads, rather than a great span of
        differences.
        Simply put, He seems to emphasize
        what we have in common.
        There are some people that emphasize
        evil. I don’t think God is pleased with
        that, and it’s not an acceptable goal.
        So, for me to know that, then I would
        have to know God, and what He is like.
        He has not, thrown me to the winds of
        evil, without control.
        God has given his people control,
        though it may not always seem this way,
        in the beginning.
        You must learn to take authority.
        And this requires the ability to discern.
        From my point of view, you seem to be
        saying you feel God will not trust you.
        But God will trust you, if you choose to
        demand from yourself that you will
        use discernment.
        For instance, you could feel that what
        I am telling you is unimportant, or that
        it is not true or not realistic.
        So to know that, to know if it is so, requires
        discernment.
        So when you are discerning in this way,
        then you are placing a demand on your
        authority. You, are doing this, not God.
        So that is, part of the way, or one of the
        ways that God will “not” interfere with you.
        He leaves that part up to you.
        This is one of the many ways that God allows
        you to participate, in free will.
        However, I do believe in His Sovereignty,
        but in your statement you have pretty much
        given away your right to try and understand
        that. In an essence. You are saying in
        shorthand, I don’t have the ability or wasn’t
        given the ability to understand.
        But I think the answer is yes, and no.
        Not all, but you do have the right to
        ask, see, and knock.
        Thanks for your comments.

  5. “In everything give thanks, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you” (1 Thessalonians 5:18 MKJV).

    I was contemplating on the situation of things and as I read the above verse it affirms what our state of being should be at all times, “thankful”. By the first reading of this, many would try to slice, dice, and divide the word “everything” to mean some things and then in only good times when we are being blessed with fair weather, plenty of material blessings, and a good reputation among our religious friends. Only when a feeling of all is well in the material world does the carnal man have a partial understanding of the word “all” and “everything” as it pertains to the narrow view of the carnal thinker.

    But the word “everything” includes the good, the bad and the ugly things in life. Taken at face value it is telling us to be thankful in sickness as well as in health, in poverty as well as in abundance, and just as thankful when others dismiss you as not of their “kind.” In “all” things be thankful, not in “some” things. Some may ask, should we be thankful when all seemingly goes wrong, when we have lost great financial assets, our loved ones are passing away leaving us alone, when we have physical handicaps and ailments, when we are lonely and abandoned by many past friends and family, and the “seemingly” negatives go on?

    The answer is we must come to the place where we see the love of God in all things we experience, knowing that suffering brings obedience and obedience brings life, the purposeful life, the abundant life, where there is no lack. In the situation of Job, he lost his children, his home, and all his livestock, he lost his stature in the community for his “friends” turning against him could only find Job at fault in all of Job’s misfortunes. Yet, upon the end of Job’s trials God explains the why of all His sufferings. What did Job say about his predicament when his wife and others said he should just curse God and die? He said “Should we not accept evil as well as good from the hand of God?” Job had the understanding, as we all should, that “all” things are at the direction from and of God, both good and evil. Job understood he was being tested and Satan who came along in God’s council could only administer to Job what God allowed Satan to administer. Where did Satan take it upon himself to do anything to Job? It was God who gave directions to Satan to test Job, and then only at God’s specific orders.

    We should also realize “all” things are for our training and discipline and as Job we “see” that by being thankful for all things, we see the value in all that God allows to happen to us. Again, what in Job’s life was administered to him outside of God’s will? Job in reality is a story about each one of us, his story is our story and his thankfulness and loyalty should be ours as well. We should be found in a thankful frame of mind in knowing that God loves each of us and the seemingly sad state of affairs we experience in our journey are the very things that will determine our reward of being obedient and choosing “good” when evil comes our way. If we have been faithful in the small things, greater things will come our way, such as in Job’s “double portion” given him after his testing.

    Although this is an allegory on the surface about Job and his material blessings including his possessions, a greater truth is found in this allegory and that it is the character that was being developed in Job from all his testing. The double portion that he really received was in the likeness and character of God he gained from being… obedient… in his trials. His double portion was really a fulfilling of the promise God gave in Genesis of making man in His likeness and character. This is what all trials and testing is about, in all of our lives.

    We can only be thankful in “all things” if we understand that “all things” are of God, and by God, and “all” things that happen to us are for our benefit. To understand it any other way is to take sovereignty from God and give it to another. If one does this he is worshipping another God, a God of weakness and from a diluted mind, but our God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. There is no other God before Him so we should not even insinuate Satan has any real power for he has what is given to him and that is limited to God’s will and at His direction. To worship “only” God is to be single minded, to give any power to another is to be double minded, a curse indeed.

    To take one word in a sentence, such as this word “everything”, in the context it is given in, explains volumes about how we are to view God and His purpose for each of us. When we are able to see our destination before us and understand that all things that happen to us is only a part of the progression toward His goal and ours, we see “all” things that happen is for our trial, testing, and completion in Him. God does not needlessly commit us to anything for our detriment in any way for it is all for developing His character and likeness “in” us, so if we see this journey in the right light we see Jesus in all things, therefore we are thankful that we are able to see that He has only our good in mind.

    When we accept our current situation with thankfulness, whatever that may be, in good and in bad, we have found peace and contentment in knowing we are right where He wants us, else we would be in that other place of His choosing. The other place is where we are going to, from where we are…so let us be thankful for this experience…so that when we have suffered for awhile we will have experienced those things which make us appreciative and “thankful.” This light sentence of doing without so that good may come has no comparison of what we will be and have…let us be thankful in “all” things, as God permits our minds to be opened to His.

    • Sonny,

      When I look back upon my life, I see what you have spoken. Everything, I mean everything, served a purpose and brought me to where I am at this moment. I’m grateful for the difficult moments that have come and gone because they created in me an ever increasing desire to be truly one with God and no longer a “self-made” woman.. without the “imperfections” this desire in its consuming nature and sincerity wouldn’t have been created in me. And this desire serves a very essential role in the transformation into a new creation. For love is a choice and is given and received openly and joyously.

      So I take what the past reveals and desire to be thankful in whatever I encounter, though some days my wayward mind can get the best of me, but I bounce back as I continue to learn, and continue in the way of faith until the substance of that faith is manifested.

      • Rachel,

        I agree.

        We cannot be divided in our view of God, if God is good and God is love, then we cannot attribute anything to God except that, because He is love, all He does is out of love, including creating evil…for good.
        When we see the purpose of evil and who is responsible for it (Isaiah 45:7) we see unity and a singleness of purpose that “God” has for making us like Him. Evil, when applied in love beings one to God. Therefore we thank God for exposing us to His created evil that we may learn all the virtuous ways of Himself.

        It is one plan of salvation, not two, not one of good and one of evil. Not one power of God and another power of Satan. All things are of God and by God..for the good of us all. We doubt because we are not finished…when we arrive having been completely processed we will have seen that all we went through was only for our good.

  6. 22 So Jesus answered and said to them, “Have faith in God. 23 For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. 24 Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.

    Here we see, God giving His people power.
    Jesus said, Where is your Faith?
    When you are using your faith, God gives
    you the authority to change circumstances.
    When you doubt, no mountains will be moved.
    Jesus said, Believe only and she will be made
    well.
    Faith in God, changes things, situations, and
    events.

    • … And what we don’t doubt is his divine love for us, and that all is working for our good according to that love. We trust him to be our Father knowing we are but children and don’t know as we ought. When we are humble to learn from all we go through, truth is revealed to us along the way.

      But as for how things play out, it can happen in a myriad of ways. Our ways are not his ways, because his thoughts are perfect, and so sometimes life brings what we don’t expect or go how we think it should because He brings into our path what we need. He truly is the perfect Father.

      • Yes, but here is the
        question?
        If someone tells you that, you,
        have the right to claim his promise
        will you believe that or reject it?
        The answer is, in your hands,
        if you believe.
        Do you turn and walk away,
        or do you ask for more knowledge
        of the kingdom.
        If you turn and walk away, then
        you have rejected His love.
        You’ve said ~ I don’t believe that.
        So you don’t receive, because you
        turned from the Light.
        So I’m offering you this Love through
        teaching, or saying, or explaining.
        If you turn away, then, I loved you,
        but you limited my love.
        This is what He is bringing into your
        path that you need (in your last
        statement),
        but, you are saying, “I turn away”.
        I don’t receive this Love.
        This is what God brought me, today,
        through this person, talking about
        Jesus, yet I turn away from God’s
        hand. I turn away from his Love
        that he offered.
        I turn away from the providence,
        that God brought.
        This is the way, it is playing out.
        It is what God, brought you, that
        you didn’t expect.
        But you looked at it negatively.
        Take the Light away, I don’t want it.
        That’s what you’re saying to me.
        But the offer still stands.
        So this is working to your good
        through that love.
        But the love happens to be coming
        through me.
        So if your statements are true,
        then I’m right in line with them.
        This is the way God chose his
        providence to come to you.
        And notice, there is nothing negative
        in what I’m saying.
        It’s all about giving you something.
        If you turn away then that
        makes it a negative thing.
        Try and perceive then what Love is.
        Is Love just on your side?
        Just when you do something good.
        Or am I allowed to show you love
        ~to do something good for you?
        To turn away from what I’m saying,
        is not because I didn’t show love.
        It’s a means to, limit love.
        It’s a denial of allowing God to prove
        himself to you.
        To believe in God’s providence means
        you will have to keep that door open.

      • Just some thoughts .. I find that we each can be a “teacher” and “student” to one another in different ways and to different degrees if we are willing to learn, and if we are ready to receive what is next. Though the dynamic of either may not be obvious at first or what was originally intended by each person. Our understanding is layer upon layer … so we resonate most with those around our particular layer.

        Our intentions to love or give care may be sincere in our estimation, but the expression of it is often tainted with things like fear, control, judgment, impurity, defense, pride, ego, or hidden things in the heart. As we mature in our understanding of love these attributes start to become less of our expression, and the attributes of understanding, honor, purity of intention, patience, trust, gentleness and courage increase. But our expression and outward actions toward another will be tainted to some degree until we are one with our Father, the source of pure and perfect love.. Only in an oneness with him do we have a perfect and untainted expressions of love. So we use discernment with others. Often can think we are loving but we are being hurtful.This is part of our blindness. But as we grow in the understanding of love, this blindness starts to lessen.

        And the more we mature in our understanding of love, the clearer our discernment becomes because we are seeing his divine love more clearly, thus we are able to see the contrast. But also the more patient we become with others whatever stage of awareness they are at.

        Our maturity or actions (works) don’t “save” us as we are bound to a self-determined consciousness until we become a new creation, which is the work of our Creator. One day we will all be of his consciousness, which is our freedom, when he fills all in all .. for he is God after all. Yet, becoming this new creation requires our desire to become this new creation. For love is a choice. And everyone matures in this desire differently, for it is a very intimate work of the heart. If I truly desire to be in his likeness then I’ll be maturing in my understanding of that likeness and it will affect my actions to some degree. The ever-increasing maturity and the sincerity of altercations in our actions or “works” reflect we are on that “narrow” path, our desire is sincere, and that we are following where he lead us, and not just speaking empty words or sayings. Thus, faith without works is deed. Empty words is like saying we are a master gardener when our garden is full of weeds. We may know one day we will be a master gardener, but getting there is a process.

      • What’s interesting is that
        I understand everything that
        you are saying, and I have had the same understanding for many
        years. I was not emphasizing it today, as you have made it a major thought form and center of your stage, which is good.
        But the fact that I understand your statements, all, shows that the
        statements are said in great definition, but they are very basic.
        They are what Paul said when He said, I as a master builder lay
        a good foundation.
        I love your thoughts.
        But, and by the way, as you were saying, I would not be able to say them, the same way you did, but I could say it my way.
        But that brings me to a major thought.
        If I tell you that I understand this, then do you trust me to execute
        it my way, without worrying about the results all the time.
        It’s like trying to drive your car by looking out the back window.
        Once you have this as a goal, or foundation, you will need to allow
        people to move forward to execute it without the constant worry,
        of how you are affecting people, or wounding them.
        If you are speaking from the Holy Spirit, you are seldom going to
        be wounding people.
        Here is the difference between psychology, and the Holy Spirit.
        You cannot psychologically determine how your words are always
        affecting others. And you should not be of a worried mindset about it or distrustful, to allow people to function in their giftings.
        In a sense that is trying to ‘do’ the work of the Holy Spirit,
        instead of trusting Him to do it, through you.
        That’s a work of the flesh.
        If the Holy Spirit can handle your joys, he can handle your hurts.
        So what I’m saying is. Don’t judge how other people operate in their gifting, based on psychology, because it cuts off the work of
        the Holy Spirit. If you believe that each person is on a path, then
        you will have to accept where that path leads.
        You can’t judge what I say emotionally, because the emotions are mine. You don’t own them. But they need to be allowed to move you.
        Ok, what I am saying is a mature thought. This isn’t for a timid minded person, and it requires faith.

    • The foolish as well as the wise ask God in the understanding of the type of faith they have. One has faith in oneself, using God’s natural written word to back up what they think it means and the wise follow the spiritual word which is Christ, following after the spirit. Some ask according to the direction and will of the Father and receive because they ask only for those things that will bring change in themselves and others to the likeness of God, therefore their prayers are granted. The foolish with their watered down faith to the carnal thinking of man, ask for reasons of selfishness, wanting to rule in other people’s lives as some ridicule others for not listening to themselves and asking as the foolish did when God said he never knew them. Sure He knew them in the natural sense in which they “were” and not what they claimed to know and be themselves but to truly “know” Him in the spiritual sense as God was answering the five foolish in was the sense we must take on His ways and His spirit, we must become one with God through the example of Jesus Christ. The foolish tell others with natural words while not “becoming” the true word which is the likeness of Christ. The wise understand that the true word is a spiritual thing that one must become. The foolish with vein repetition says the same words over and over thinking they do God a service. The Pharisees were warned just as the foolish, thinking they would be heard for their much speaking. As the five foolish and the Pharisees are warned so are the modern day “Christians” who are doing the same things. They speak natural words while never entertaining the idea of becoming. Nominal Christians as the Pharisees of the letter prevent others from “entering in” because they speak and ridicule with natural words while not entering in themselves. The Pharisees were religious people inside the church system of the day that Christ addressed as “are” the five foolish virgins inside the church systems today. When you are a defender of the “system” which is against Christ you are anti Christ. When you have been called out of the false way, out of her, the false church, we know where the true temple is and where to truly worship. We are that temple where God dwells and we become wise by worshipping in this temple forsaking the ritual do going to an outward building made with carnal hands. The true is built by the hand of God, within the true temple in which we are.

      There is the natural outward ritualistic way and and there is the inward spiritual way. We must have faith in “one” true way.

      • What you have written
        is not in agreement with
        Rachel’s thoughts at all.

        Rachel has said that all paths
        are correct.
        You have said that only one
        path is correct.

        I don’t think it is right to
        call other people foolish or
        to judge their spirituality.
        It is ok to speak about their
        believing, and how what they
        believe is wrong, but not to
        judge their level of love.
        When Jesus spoke of, not
        being in repetition, he was not
        judging people he was saying
        repetition will not bring results
        with the Father, in prayer.
        He was teaching them how to
        pray for results, he was not
        judging them.

        Your statements about coming
        out of the false Church, are not
        what I hear Rachel saying.
        So, in order to find the true God,
        and know Him, it’s important to
        find truth in the Lord through love,
        and, correct teaching, together.
        Not just love, but love based on
        teaching that leads, not teaching
        that calls you out.
        Jesus is not calling people out,
        He is calling them in.

  7. God has to call people out of the world, out of the false church, out of themselves… Before…. They can enter in. It is both a coming out and a going in looked at in the right context.

    Rachel is saying regardless of the many paths people choose for themselves, God brings them from where they started or where they are, she is not saying that you can choose any path you want and be accepted by God that the wrong path you choose He approves of. She is not saying you can do your own thing and be accepted for whatever way one chooses. She is only saying we should give respect to others who are coming from many different avenues to finding the one true way. I understand this. None of have and do speak with absolutely certainly along our path and it is a good thing to ask what someone means by something in a respectful way…and if you don’t agree, then keep your own belief and go your way. God will deal with our errors.

    • Who is going to criticize you
      or find fault with the path that
      you choose?
      Who is going to criticize or find
      fault with the path you have
      chosen?
      Is Rachel the one who is going
      to ask you to keep your beliefs
      to yourself, while she is sharing
      her beliefs?
      That doesn’t sound right.

      • It is not about one’s varying beliefs as I have repeatedly said, I am only saying that you should keep your opinions to yourself if you cannot do so respectfully.

        Many have tried to tell you kindly to converse with respect but since you believe you are speaking for God, you tend to bludgeon people with your perverted speech.

        Who is going to criticize me for what I believe you ask?..well… Any such one, void of understanding, such as yourself. When anyone exchanges with you one has to deal with a most immature person. You scoff, ridicule, and demean other’ s beliefs when they share and you have the audacity to tell others they ought to succumb to your vein way of believing and to listen and follow you because “God” told you to lead them. I can tell you right now that is a lie and you worship the father of lies. You haven’t a clue whereof you speak for It is not God you are listening to, I can assure you.

        No one is differing with you over your beliefs, it has only to do with your conduct when addressing others of a different understanding than you have. Can you imagine if every person who came through this blog did so with your attitude and what it would be like? It would simply have to be closed for the rampant evil manners. The chaos would allow no respectful dialogue at all. It would be a fight over who knows what and who is right and who is wrong. Ego driven it would be, which is self driven which is…Satan ruling.

        From my perspective Rachel is far beyond many in understanding for she shares in kindness and has an understanding that people should be allowed to grow from wherever they are and wherever they are from. You can’t take one out of the world and splash some water on them and expect maturity in an instant. It doesn’t work that way. It is a progressive way from the natural to the spiritual, meaning little by little, precept upon precept until we grow from our natural mind to that of the spiritual mind. Since it takes time, it takes being patient for oneself and then toward others as wel. Some, such ones as yourself think if they have gone through a ritual and having received a sign, that is it., case closed, and everything you ever say in the future comes from a righteous mind, after all you were baptized and received a sign didn’t you? These are clouds without water, not knowing what they say or why. It is all ego driven.

        In contrast I have many conversations with many, many people and we don’t agree on the letter on many subjects but we have respect for one another unlike yourself. We realize it is the love of the other we should put in priority over the letter for the letter kills but the spirit makes alive.

        If I were as rude as you are to Rachel I would expect her to ask me as she has you to leave until I could learn some manners. Rachel and I also have discussed things which we do not agree on for awhile now and we differ on subjects and views The same as any other, but unlike you we have respect for one another above and beyond the letter of the law we converse about. You see, it is not as important to agree in the letter as it is to agree in the spirit of the Lord. Knowing one’s end and the method of getting there certainly helps in governing oneself towards others. People void of love can only defend by the letter…which is impossible to do for love needs no defense and love does not come from the letter of the law. The law came because of the transgression of sinners and was not instituted for the righteous person. This is because righteousness is found in the heart of man where it should be found whereas one who uses law for justification has no justification because justification cannot come by the law. It is impossible for the spirit comes directly from God.

        Every way of a man is right in his own eyes,
        but the Lord weighs the heart.
        To do righteousness and justice
        is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.
        Haughty eyes and a proud heart,
        the lamp of the wicked, are sin. Prov. 21.2

        ” Defending” oneself by the letter and wounding is sin for we do not live by the letter but by the spirit of righteousness and righteousness does not come by the law for the law is written to the lawless and the I righteous. If one makes his defense in the law then they are sinners defending the letter “against” whereas the spirit is “for”. If one is lead by the spirit within they are not under law but grace.

        Grace means God allows one to grow in and to His likeness, love and character yet while they are yet in their sin. Is Paul not a good example? Grace is loving one as God loves one “inspite” of their character flaws and such ones are patient and kind to one beholden to the sin nature of the carnal mind. The bible does not speak of people in the world as sinners but those who have came under the jurisdiction of God’s way. The bible tells us to not bother them for He will deal with them. It is those who profess to know God but do not have an understanding of how to act appropriately that need instruction and discipline.

        As others have said besides me, a person cannot understand unless the spirit leads a person to that place of understanding.
        We share in the hope of leading one to Christ. Many nominal Christians are stuck in the law and have no understanding of Grace at all.

      • Your the one claiming
        what it’s about.
        I’m not on your path, so
        none of that applies to me.
        I wasn’t aware that God gave
        you the right to criticize other
        peoples conduct.
        We’re not here to please you.
        We’re here to please God.
        I have never related to Rachel
        on the level of legalism.
        You’ll have to apply that path
        to yourself.
        My path is not one that can be
        emotionally discerned.

        The only path to receive my love,
        is to give love.
        If you want to receive love, then
        interpret with love.

      • “The only path to receive my love,
        is to give love.”-

        “If you want to receive love, then
        interpret with love.”-

        You’re implying that sister Sonny is not loving, by saying this… and as well as implying that she doesn’t know what love is. Though I can testify of her loving kindness towards you… and her rebuke. You didn’t even see it, that Rachel messages were for you… so that you might see and that you might repent. even the LORD loves sinners, even those who don’t thank Him. “Love your enemies bless them that curse you, do good to those that hate you and despitefully use you.”

        Since your above statements has to do with a predetermine love, it is not perfected. Also I will add… it is implying that you want people to bend to you, rather than you bending to the will of God, to love all regardless. That doesn’t mean that we give our selves to be abused and disrespected. What is love?

        “Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.”- 1 Corintians 13:4

        In Greek they are four times of love in their language: Agape, Philia, Storage and Eros

        Agape: noblest of love, unconditional it is a love that is sacrificial, willing to die for a complete stranger, respecting a complete stranger… it is gentle and kind. it is what Jesus wants off all people. (specifically Christian virtue to achieve)

        Philia: Is brotherly love this only occurs between close friends/husband.

        Storage: is a family love, sibling

        Eros which is where the word erotic comes from; it is a sinful love.

        I will also share, that just because any one say that they were, not being negative… doesn’t mean that they were not. If a person say to you that they feel disrespected… it is because there is some thing you said or your very express that is disrespectful, and you have to own up to that. A Man will own up to his mistakes… instead of trying to twist as if he didn’t. The word of God is true… and your expressions, were unseemly. Repent of your sins, and may God have mercy on you.

        “17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. 19For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil. 20And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.” Romans 16:17

  8. When one person accost another as you do to others your telling me they have no right to question your conduct toward them? Yes, God gives us the right to question and admonish. It also says after a couple of admonishments have nothing to do with such a one as yourself.

    As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. 1 Tim 5:20

    preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 2 Tim

    Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, Luke 17:3

    Titus 1:9
    He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

    Titus 2:15
    Declare these things; exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

    So, yes God gives those with understanding to rebuke those who do not. The rebuke was and is for those who do not have understanding as you. Anyone has the right to confront their accuser.

    I thought when you came back to this blog you may have learned some manners. You have not. As I do all, again I wish you well. Until you learn better respect and conducting yourself with decency we will be doing no further exchanging.

    • Sonny, I believe
      you are speaking from a
      place of ill temper. When one becomes angry or frustrated,
      often the one will say things that are irrational, and discordant
      with reality. This frame of mind can cause one to misunderstand
      the true nature of a conversation, focusing on the emotional
      area, and often leading to a reimbursement of ill will.
      By placing confidence in God, and relying on the greater Will
      of the Holy Spirit, one is able to bring healing, and experience
      healing, in the inner soul. This allows both parties to experience
      the height of expression, and a full range of emotions which
      includes joy, laughter, humor, good will, love and permanency
      of relationship will occur.
      When one focuses on the sour, and the dark in their thinking,
      they will tend to bring that same structure into the brightest,
      and happiest of situations.
      As you learn to lean on the strong arm of God, His greatness
      will overshadow the years of your condemnation which you
      experienced in the Church structure.
      By allowing an inflow of the Holy Spirit, this will brighten your
      heart and always rays of His love, will flow into the situation.
      Allow your conversations to be cherished as a time of learning
      from your brothers and sisters, which will come from varying
      backgrounds, with none criticized condemned or despised.
      God is looking over the heart of each one, and is bringing you,
      that which you need to meditate on today.
      Let that meditation be one, which sees the good in others
      rather than the condemnation of supposed religions, which
      unto God are nothing but a small gauze haze.
      May he enrapture those who are of good heart and bring
      them to His fine Heaven at the day of their departure.
      I pray you will be one who can find this joy in your heart
      one day, and participate in such an event.
      Let love be the consummation that will, lead you into seeing,
      in a way, that is a confirmation of the full teaching of Christ.
      To do this requires patience with others and a repudiation
      of self reputation. Let others see your, reputation by example
      and never, by self adulation, and you will do well and find
      joy and happiness in all the Churches of the Lord and that,
      without disfavor.

      • This is not Beloved Sonny probable, but your problem. Take the plank out of your eyes. O how bless you are.. to have these two wonderfully wise sister show such loving-kindness towards you. If God had blessed me with siblings.. I would desire that sister Sonny and Sister Rachel were my siblings. Don’t walk in self righteousness anonymous, but in the love of God. May God have mercy on you.

        “If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;”

        4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

        5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

        6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.” 1 Timothy 6

      • I would also suggest that you apologize. And sin no more against your sisters with course language. We are to be edifying with how we express our selves.

        Dictionary.com: to instruct or benefit, especially morally or spiritually; uplift

      • I will share this scripture: “Be angry, and do not sin”:[a] do not let the sun go down on your wrath,” Ephesians 4:26

        Nothing is wrong with anger, once it is righteous indignation. Yet you went against scripture again… with respect, I’ve read a few of your post, and what I say this because it is the simple truth, much of it are misapplied, you also attack the character of the beloved people of God here… I feel sorry for my sisters, having to endure such course language, and to make things even more heart aching… what you said has contradictions and omissions, and I will point a good bit of them out, but the worse… is you, trying to hurt beloved sister Rachel… you cannot fool God, I will give you this scripture:

        ” But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. 19″For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders” he knows your heart. For what are even false.” Matthew 15:18

        I want to share as well, I have seen you say you appreciate sister Rachel responds… but if that was true, why do you speak forth evil unto her? For as it is written out of the mouth the heart speaketh. One cannot be thankful, then speak evil after. Sister Rachel is Spiritually wise, her emotions are just fine… and all she has said is spiritual. Not all can understand spirit. And you don’t have the right to say more than half the things you say, because more than half of the things are course and breaks the commandments of the LORD.

        Now I’m just going to point out a few things, which could be considered emotional manipulation:

        “I believe
        you are speaking from a
        place of ill temper.”-The assumption statement – this manipulative tactic seeks to turn your behavior into what the beholder perceives it as, wheatear it is accurate or not

        In critical thinking it is known as a Ad Hominem, it means responding by attacking some ones character usually untrue statements… it’s like a cheap shot.

        ” When one becomes angry or frustrated,
        often the one will say things that are irrational, and discordant
        with reality.”- We just disproved that statement with the Bible. But this is another manipulative attempt it’s call a guilt trip,, also he is implying some thing derogative and untrue, Your mind and countenance is beautifully made by the LORD sister Sonny.

        ” This frame of mind can cause one to misunderstand”
        the true nature of a conversation, focusing on the emotional
        area, and often leading to a reimbursement of ill will.”-

        We disproved with the Bible that anger can’t make some one misunderstand, because usually anger is in responds to an injustice and seeing that emotions are part of the mind… his very statement is the opposite of how God wants our emotions. Our emotions were made by God the Holy Creator, and they are good… a good conscience emotions are in sync but a seared is out of sync, and not meaning to be condescending, anonymous is that example, of a seared conscience. The Love of the LORD also influence the emotions and it is our emotions that make us feel, with out we will not reflecting the LORD image and likeness… intellectual judgment also includes emotions. example, why do I feel this way, how do I get over this… looking with in to see our condition.

        The true nature of your conversation, has been hypercritical and fill with character attacks, emotional manipulation which comes from an evil heart. one with indifference, and who sees people as just things, it comes from selfishness.

        “often leading to a reimbursement of ill will.”-
        Dictionary.com
        reimbursement: to pay back

        The person who started these negative arguments is you anonymous, and yet these beloved sisters of the LORD never demeaned you, they rebuked you so you will know your wrong, and that you might repent. of your course language.. And still they shared with you whole truth… you didn’t even see, that it was meant for you, on a personal level. So that you might repent of your sins.

        “38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. 41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.” Matthew 5

        “Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. 32″If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33″If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same” Luke 6:32-33

        These virtuous sisters are blameless.

        “By placing confidence in God, and relying on the greater Will
        of the Holy Spirit, one is able to bring healing, and experience”-

        And you talk about mysticism. Faith in God, the Holy Spirit dwell with in who is the mind of God for spirit means mind or Essenes.. healing, prophecy all these things are done with the same spirit, but each are given separate gifts but from the same spirit. this is one of these gifts, the spirit of God that moved sister Rachel to do this beautiful thing for herself and all those that seek after righteousness and the love of the LORD in full.

        “22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.” Anonymous perhaps you need too, search the scriptures and learn more about God righteousness… and with respect do it not just hear it, because your posts are rude, and that behiour isn’t from the spirit of God.” Galatians 5:22

        “any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain. 27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.”- James 1 KJV

        bridleth not his tongue… you apostasy from the Holy scripture. May God have mercy on you

        May the God have mercy on you

  9. forgive my typos please, deserving of formal writing =)

    • Thanks Jedi for you kind words, they are appreciated. Now if you promise not to change your attitude toward me I will tell you I am a male and if not just call me sister. 🙂

      Knowledge is good…however substance is better. It is better to be ignorant in love than wise in knowledge. It does not take hardly any wisdom to understand the two great commandments which reveal all the true meaning of the law and prophets. To love it takes little effort, it is a gift.

      It amazes me how people will study for years and use it as a sword to belittle and maim and not show any restraint and respect for the other.

      Again, thanks

      Sonny

      • O beloved brother of the LORD, God bless you. And apologize. =)

      • Hmm…I think I know what you meant by substance now, the love which comes from the throne of God. Hmm for me someone who loves (agape) is also wise.

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