1 Corinthians 2:13-14 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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One indepth way to to communicate Spirit to spirit, is to pray in other tongues,
which builds up your spirit man, and enables you to pray mysteries, through the Holy Spirit, which are then released back to the realm of the soul, or mind, from the spirit.
Scripture says our battle is not against flesh and blood,..and to put the Armour on,..so we can,.. stand.
so as a battle sword sharpening exercise,if you want to call it that,..im learning that if what someone says,and dosent provide Scripture,..or its close but dosent match Scripture precisely,..and they claim’ its from God,or in the ‘spirit’,..like a dream,or God told them this,that or the other,..and they say it as if its real or gospel,…well i guess the politest way i could say is,..its not.
so i’ll ask again about your post,..where and in what Scripture did you get that knowledge that you posted?
Anonymous, … you learn in depth from tongues, other languages as the disciples spoke .. how does that deepen your understanding?
1 Corinthians 14:9-11 So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them [is] without significance. Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks [will be] a foreigner to me.
vs 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.
Both of the references you gave, are concerning, the gift of Tongues,
‘spoken in the assembly’, which, with interpretation, equal prophecy.
=Because the interpreter, is giving the prophetic interpretation,
in a known tongue.=
The tounges spoken by any believer, are given to all, through the Baptism in the Holy Spirit (so called).
This tounges is a private ‘prayer language’ that can be spoken at will,
by the believer in private.
It is birthed by a miracle in your spirit, originally, and then the Holy Spirit, gives the utterance, either at His unction, or at your desire to pray, in this way.
This is totally a miraculous event, given by the spirit, but part of your every day life. Both daily, and miraculous.
Anonymous,….none of your utterings on here stands the test of Scripture,..have you not read The Lord knows your words and what you need before you even speak them?
The Lord Immanuel through The Holy Spirit intercedes to His Father for us,..thankfully,..but you will do it His Way,.as Written,..not the way you say and have written
Matt 6 v6-7
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Romans 8:27
And He that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because He maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Romans 8:34
Who is he that condemneth? It is The Messiah that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them
Anonymous,
well sorry i missed it,..you had me really fooled there,..Rachel too by the sound of it,..have you missed the piece of Scripture that deals with this type of tactic among believers?
best just talking as plain as english as possible,..as that can be hard enough on forums like this,….oh and good old black and white Scripture is best.
like in your first post if you had of posted the Scripture i did,it would not cause misunderstanding!!
There are different ways you can receive information from the Holy Spirit, by ‘praying in the spirit’, meaning-
praying in a heavenly prayer language. You can receive mysteries that are ‘prayed out’, concerning the Word of God, or concerning a problem you are facing. Or, when engaged in intercessory prayer (which Brian mentioned)( in Romans 8:26)( for an individual), you may receive information about the physical needs of someone who is sick, for whom the Holy Spirit is interceeding through you.
(I recently had an experience along these lines while praying for someons who was ill.) This information is not always available to your understanding, because for the most part you are praying in secrets, that are kept even from yourself. Many times for intsance, you do not know who you are praying for, and this may include people you have never met, and situations that you are unkowledgeable about, but that the Holy Spirit, wants you to pray for.
But through time, the word of knowledge, or the word of wisdom, can cause you to become more sensitive to how the Holy Spirit is praying through you. The level of sensitivity that you develop depends on your walk with God, and how much attention you give to the Holy Spirit, and what your calling is, and how much time you spend praying this way. Each person is affected, or influenced, or will interpret or understand spiritual things in a personal way.
Proverbs 8:8 All the words of my mouth (wisdom) are with righteousness; Nothing crooked or perverse is in them. They are ALL PLAIN to him who understands, And right to those who find knowledge.
1 Corinthians 14:15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding.
Anonymous,…just be careful when and what way you drink from the river,..The Lord watches the way you eat and drink and digest,..and even what you crave or dont as case maybe.
Judges 7 v 5-7
5 So he brought down the people unto the water: and the Lord said unto Gideon, Every one that lappeth of the water with his tongue, as a dog lappeth, him shalt thou set by himself; likewise every one that boweth down upon his knees to drink.
6 And the number of them that lapped, putting their hand to their mouth, were three hundred men: but all the rest of the people bowed down upon their knees to drink water.
7 And the Lord said unto Gideon, By the three hundred men that lapped will I save you, and deliver the Midianites into thine hand: and let all the other people go every man unto his place.
Can I throw something into the discussion here.
There was at one time a universal language. “And the whole earth used the same language and the same words.” When man in his puny wisdom decided that he could reach into heaven by building a city and a tower. Gods answer was; “Come let Us go down and confuse their language that they may not understand one anothers speech.” As a result of this confusion; “THE LORD scattered them….over the face of the whole earth.” Language is what created the division of people groups.
My belief is man in his puny wisdom is endeavouring to once again establish a universal language. [I.e English] The idea in human terms is feasable to overcome the confusion. It begs the question though. If God established the confusion what right has man to endeavour to rectify the confusion.
English is not my first language so I am bi – langual. Rachel much of what you say has more depth and meaning when I translate it into my own language. It is difficult but I am thankful that I have the complete Bible in my language so Some linqist say English is the most confusing language that exists
Hi Llew … I agree .. even if English is the native tongue between two people communication can be difficult. Thus why we trust the Holy Spirit to teach us all things concerning the spirit, which includes just about everything .. and He gives understanding of all things as we can receive them as truth builds.
It’s Llew again. I’m sorry but somehow pushed the post button before completing my comments.
English is so complicated, phrases have so many different interpretations and it uses a lot of words just to explain one word. Maybe why English brings so much division in interpreting scripture.
BUT!!! God Himself, in His wisdom has once again established a language specifically for His Kingdom [people group] of which we have been born into. The ENTIRE discourse of Pauls message on this subject from 1Cor.14 explains it so perfectly. Well! when read in my Bible anyhow, and this starts from chapter 12. Lets put aside our differences and see Pauls clear understanding, that leaves no room for confusion, on the matter at hand.
Yes I do believe in speaking in tongues as Paul, who spoke in tongues more than anyone else, has outlined here in Corinthians. But I do understand there is confusion IF THERE IS NO INTERPRETATION.
Llew, if I prophesy to you in English, that I’m telling you the truth about the subject that I shared, will you
believe me? Because that’s what I have done. Faith comes first. Then the evidence.
18 I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; 19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
Notice here that Paul said I speak with tongues more than you all
Yet – in the church – I would rather speak five words.
So, it is not– in the church that he is– speaking with tongues ‘more than ye all’.
This is in private, where he is praying in toungues, that he is doing it more than ye all.
Notice also, that in my previous statements, that I have done, exactly as Paul said,
and spoken my portion of words with my understanding, that I may teach others.
I make these statements for clarity, and not argument.
Anonymous
I agree with everything you are saying. Paul was setting the parameters for when tongues was to be used and when it wasn’t. Do we agree on that?
Llew
Yes, I was only pointing out that there are two subjects about tongues being mentioned here by Paul.
One is concerning the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, in which one receives an initial baptism of the Spirit, and receives tongues as a prayer language. In this instance, you may pray privately, without interpretation.
The second subject matter that Paul is covering, is “The Gift of Tongues”. This is a second gifting which is used in the assembly,
and needs interpretation. Here, a different person will have the “Gift of Interpretation, so that the church is edified.
thethreshermansson
I agree with you to. But in what language [that I as his sheep speak] do I hear
His voice with? That is the point I was endeavouring to make before
not once did Immanuel refer to speaking in tongues.
what do you mean by, tongues?…different lauguages?..or….inaudible language,mutterings?
on the day of Pentecost,.Acts 2,.when the ‘tongues of fire’ (The Holy Spirit) came and FILLED those blessed enough,..they spoke in all languages to all the different peoples of different languages there,..not some inaudible drunken lingo,…and because they spoke in different languages/in tongues 3000 were baptised that day,..and note again they were filled thats FILLED with the Holy Spirit,because they could do miracles and wonders,….people baptisted by the Holy Spirit cant,..just those FILLED,….i havent seen or heard of anyone from those times,..that is filled with the Holy Spirit,..and i wont until the same things Written in The Acts takes place once again!
as for prophecy,..maybe im getting my anonymous mixed up,..but what prophesy have you shared on here?
As for The Sheep,…not everyone is a sheep,..so not all will hear His Voice,depends on what fold you belong in….you do know theres different folds?
theres certain credentials the sheep have or must have, and know,..that if you are not a sheep,you wont see or hear,nor understand….but if your a sheep you’ll understand very well what ive just said in my post.
you do know theres the sheep,the lost sheep,and the gentiles?…alot of very different tongues,..but all either hear the Shepherd ….or will tarry,and definitely hear the voice, of The King
Just a comment relating to what did I mean by tongues/languages. In the incident from Acts yes I do believe it was in known languages. As to the unintelligable language, of which there is no understanding to man. According to my understanding of The Written Word I have to believe. Pauls statement. “For one who speaks in a Tongue does not speak to man but to God for no one understands but in his spirit [small s] he speaks mysteries.”
As to your next comment “…inaudible language, mutterings.” When Israel was under distress in Egypt and they prayed Gods words to Moses were “I have heard their GROANINGS…” [ having no intelligible words] Mutterings prehaps?
Another passage speaks of “..the Spirit intercedes for us with groanings to deep for words.”
There is so much in the Word which cannot be fathomed with the human intellect. That does not mean it cannot be understood. It takes the releasing of my mind and taking on the mind of Christ. Thats why I enjoy Rachels blogs so much. I know where she is drinking from.
Thanks for reading and commenting
Llew
if you want to learn the language of God Almighty and His Son,..so you can speak and communicate with anyone of any language even the blind and the deaf,..its difficult to learn and master and get your head round never mind your tongue,..its the eternal language of Love and Truth,..done with many different actions and hand signs.
5 These twelve IMMANUEL sent forth and COMMANDED, them, saying, “Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not.
6 But GO rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, ‘The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.’
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, RAISE the dead, cast out devils. Freely ye have received; freely give.
Hi thethreshermansson,
This is Llew here.
I do think we have moved slightly away from where we began which was in Corinthians.
I agree with what you were sharing from Acts. There was no confusion. All 16 people groups heard in their own languages.
Also you are correct when you say Nowhere in scripture did Immanuel refer to speaking in tongues. What I do find is “men who wrote the epistles did speak about tongues. (Ie. Paul in Cor.)
Where I do differ is: “the tongues of fire (Holy Spirit) came and FILLED those blessed enough….” It appears to me that
wind and fire were symbolic of the Holy Spirit, they were not THE Holy Spirit. The giving of the Holy Spirit was for the desciples to be “…WITNESSES unto Me [Jesus] both in Jerusalem and in all Judea,and Samaria, and even to the ends of the earth.” The nation that I am from happens to be the furtherest habitable nation from Jerusalem. So that scripture has been fulfilled.
As
Llew,
with respect when im discussing Scripture,..i wont and will not make the mistake of getting stuck in one verse,in one chapter in one Book,of The Bible,..i will use it as its meant to be used,just as One Book,..here a little,there a little,line upon line,precept upon precept……if we all arent doing that,with the help of The Holy Spirit, and The Son of God being the Only Teacher,..then that is where a very large part of the problem lays to understanding, The Truth,never mind each other
im sorry if you after having read Acts 2,..cant grasp they were filled with The Holy Spirit,and It enabled them to speak in languages..in my Bible it reads….whats its say in yours?
Acts 2 v 3 -4
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost and began to speak in other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
by Immanuel,..i mean,the one, the sign given by The Lord Himself, Isaiah 7 v 14
The Messiah,The Righteous One,The Lamb,The Shepherd, The Rock,The King of Israel,The Chosen Son of God the Father Almighty,whom is Chosen to be King of All His Heavenly Kingdom,..which He now is,..and in time will be King of This World
and all the people,His Chosen ones,..and all the other nations and peoples that will come to Him as Their God and King,..and HE shall lead and teach and restore,everyone who repents and accepts,..to Worship His Father and His God, God Almighty, The Majesty Father, Most High, The Blessed One.
by Immanuel i mean,.The One Written about, The Word,for God Almighty,..which the Scriptures tell of on every page in every book,..The One that is the ONLY mediator for man,to God Almighty The Father,..The One who chose to die,a ransom for many,..who the Father Glorified by raising Him from death,conquering it, Whom received His Gloried Spirit and Body,in Heaven,in the days after Resurrection,..who returned for a further 30-?-40 days,..who left from Mount Olive,approx 2000 years ago, in the very same form He will return there to,..when all that is Written is fulfilled.
The Holy Spirit is the one that teaches us spiritual things .. he is the interpreter in our spirit so we can understand the things of God as He desires us to know ..
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
4 And He said unto me, “Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with My words unto them.
5 For thou art not sent to a people of strange speech and of a hard language, but to the house of Israel,
6 not to many people of strange speech and of a hard language, whose words thou canst not understand. Surely, had I sent thee to them, they would have hearkened unto thee
all the parts of the body need to consider their part in the body,greatly!
Matthew 5:30
And if thy right hand cause thee to fall, cut it off and cast it from thee; for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mark 9:43
And if thy hand cause thee to fall, cut it off. It is better for thee to enter into life maimed than, having two hands, to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched,
Mark 9:45
And if thy foot cause thee to fall, cut it off. It is better for thee to enter halt into life than, having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched,
I wasn’t offended at all.
Your Scriptures have nothing to do with the subject at all.
My original postings were for Rachel, Llew and others that might
have been interested in my knowlege of which the Lord
led me to share. No offense is attatched to any of that.
Here are Immanuel’s words on the subject.
Mark 16:17 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Anonymous
i meant, if you were going to correct me over something i said relating to Scripture,..that you, would have used Scripture to correct me,..and that, i would humbly accept.
so if you think ive said something incorrect about something in Scripture please show me,by Scripture, were ive erred.
Anonymous,
but your getting to caught up in ‘tongues’ as it also means other languages.
and to quote Mark 16 v 17,….that is just the match of Acts 2,..that we have already covered and Scripture proves itself true, by confirming in the Acts it meant different languages.
Two polite comments.
I am not getting caught up in tongues. It is simply the subject I am covering. It is a actually centered around the Holy Spirit Baptism,
of which my original comments were based on how the intricate nature of tongues operates, and the spiritual benefits it provides.
The tongues ‘is’ other languages.
I have spoken in several from earth, but they are not always, from earth but some from Heaven. Nevertheless they are languages, but not all are messages, most are for prayer.
If the languages were all from earth, you would not need someone
with a gift of Interpretation, to interpret it.
This is why Jesus said, they are “New’ Tongues.
Not old, or from earth.
Also, there is a miracle in hearing of tongues, where the hearer is ‘hearing what they need to hear’, so the miracle is on the ear.
The emphasis is often directed on the “message of tongues”, but my comments are about “praying in tongues”.
This is why I made my original commentary, because people are unknowledgeable of the distinction betweeen the two aspects.
This is actually a doorway to the gifts of the Spirit in general.
Which is even a greater, more indepth study.
Nevertheless, tongues are all languages.
The Bible calls it tongues, because if it were referred to as languages,
it would make the reader, think these were all from earth.
That’s why the Bible says tongues. Because they are unfamiliar.
Some are new, from heaven,-some from earth, but they can be either.
I’m going to include a scripture from Acts, not for argument, but for you to read about a different instance, that has not been sited, that shows the Baptism of the Spirit.
The things I am speaking about are from my experience, not just from the Bible. So I have the same experience Paul did.
I’m not saying them to prove a point, I’m saying them because the Lord ask me to share them.
Acts 19:1 And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2 he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” 3 And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?” So they said, “Into John’s baptism.” 4 Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.” 5 When they heard [this,] they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.
Llew,…..Scripture is there for us all to read,..its not my words,its The Saviours Word
Matthew 10
5 These twelve IMMANUEL sent forth and COMMANDED, them, saying, “Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not.
6 But GO rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
i mean you have to search and discern within yourself what is being said here,…and who is who,…
and as Immanuel said Himself,Matthew 15 v 24 a very profound thing,
v 24
“i am SENT ONLY,to the lost sheep of Israel”
christianity as a whole, in all its churches overlooks this greatly,..or maybe dosent look at it, at all!
are the lost sheep,gentiles, christians, samaritans,..all mixed in together,..hence in the future prophecy of separating the sheep from the goats,..whos who?..whos the first fruits,whos the barley,..whose the wheat,..whos the called ones, whos the chosen ones,..theres very different groups in Scripture,if you have the eyes to see!
The holy spirit, talk to me, do not be afraid, when you begin connecting to the spirit of God, fear begin to melt slowly, there is no way you can turn back,what you have tasted from the holy spirit, nobody can still it to you. You are operating by a cruise control device : the spirit of God, it is a bit like getting on a roller coaster, when you get in at first, your heart starting to beat very fast, something inside of you is happening, it is like an earthquake, your body is all shaking, then when you get on the top of the mountain , you know you can’t go backward, just let go, you are not in command no more, God is, just let him do everything for you and have fun through the ride.
I read your posted of 25 may 2009 “fear riding on my shoulders”
is it possible that in the kingdom of heaven, we all becoming part of giant web rule by the spirit of God, we are all interconnect through the kingdom of heaven, the power of God can flow from one vessel to the other as he wish, taking from one and giving to the other.
I quote from your post:” Don’t fear, I’m with you…Don’t give room to the fear” and I answer to that, the sun will rise up against the fear, and as is with the mustard seed will begin slowly to melt down the fear and as the sun starting to rise above the horizon of your heart it will then start to melt down in a dramatic way all the remnant of your fear.
I quote again from your posted :” just be who you are and let me do the rest” it is like saying “you are not in command no more, God is.”
I quote you again: ” I was like a ship prepared to sail but never caught the wind.”
now something new, ” get of that ship, I will put you on a windsurfing just hang on to the wishbone let the holy spirit blow into your sail, and beleive me you will feel the deepest power of God.
These are words to confort you. When ever you have doubts or fears, you can ground to those words, and I can say that those words are being put into my heart by the holy spirit and given to you,
Living Light 
November 26, 2012 at 10:06 am
One indepth way to to communicate Spirit to spirit, is to pray in other tongues,
which builds up your spirit man, and enables you to pray mysteries, through the Holy Spirit, which are then released back to the realm of the soul, or mind, from the spirit.
November 26, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Anonymous,
where exactly in Scripture did you find that knowledge to come on and post that statement?
and are you aware what familiar spirits are?
November 26, 2012 at 1:55 pm
The question, would be for you.
November 26, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Anonymous,
no,no,….was definitely for you.
Scripture says our battle is not against flesh and blood,..and to put the Armour on,..so we can,.. stand.
so as a battle sword sharpening exercise,if you want to call it that,..im learning that if what someone says,and dosent provide Scripture,..or its close but dosent match Scripture precisely,..and they claim’ its from God,or in the ‘spirit’,..like a dream,or God told them this,that or the other,..and they say it as if its real or gospel,…well i guess the politest way i could say is,..its not.
so i’ll ask again about your post,..where and in what Scripture did you get that knowledge that you posted?
November 27, 2012 at 11:00 am
Anonymous, … you learn in depth from tongues, other languages as the disciples spoke .. how does that deepen your understanding?
1 Corinthians 14:9-11 So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them [is] without significance. Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks [will be] a foreigner to me.
vs 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.
November 27, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Both of the references you gave, are concerning, the gift of Tongues,
‘spoken in the assembly’, which, with interpretation, equal prophecy.
=Because the interpreter, is giving the prophetic interpretation,
in a known tongue.=
The tounges spoken by any believer, are given to all, through the Baptism in the Holy Spirit (so called).
This tounges is a private ‘prayer language’ that can be spoken at will,
by the believer in private.
It is birthed by a miracle in your spirit, originally, and then the Holy Spirit, gives the utterance, either at His unction, or at your desire to pray, in this way.
This is totally a miraculous event, given by the spirit, but part of your every day life. Both daily, and miraculous.
November 27, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Anonymous,….none of your utterings on here stands the test of Scripture,..have you not read The Lord knows your words and what you need before you even speak them?
The Lord Immanuel through The Holy Spirit intercedes to His Father for us,..thankfully,..but you will do it His Way,.as Written,..not the way you say and have written
Matt 6 v6-7
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Romans 8:27
And He that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because He maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Romans 8:34
Who is he that condemneth? It is The Messiah that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them
November 27, 2012 at 1:30 pm
All the scriptures you just gave, are exactly what I was saying, and referring to.
Sorry you missed it.
November 27, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Anonymous,
well sorry i missed it,..you had me really fooled there,..Rachel too by the sound of it,..have you missed the piece of Scripture that deals with this type of tactic among believers?
best just talking as plain as english as possible,..as that can be hard enough on forums like this,….oh and good old black and white Scripture is best.
like in your first post if you had of posted the Scripture i did,it would not cause misunderstanding!!
November 27, 2012 at 1:56 pm
God bless you in whatever way you can understand.
November 27, 2012 at 2:03 pm
so what have you learned by this spirit tongue anonymous?
November 27, 2012 at 5:10 pm
There are different ways you can receive information from the Holy Spirit, by ‘praying in the spirit’, meaning-
praying in a heavenly prayer language. You can receive mysteries that are ‘prayed out’, concerning the Word of God, or concerning a problem you are facing. Or, when engaged in intercessory prayer (which Brian mentioned)( in Romans 8:26)( for an individual), you may receive information about the physical needs of someone who is sick, for whom the Holy Spirit is interceeding through you.
(I recently had an experience along these lines while praying for someons who was ill.) This information is not always available to your understanding, because for the most part you are praying in secrets, that are kept even from yourself. Many times for intsance, you do not know who you are praying for, and this may include people you have never met, and situations that you are unkowledgeable about, but that the Holy Spirit, wants you to pray for.
But through time, the word of knowledge, or the word of wisdom, can cause you to become more sensitive to how the Holy Spirit is praying through you. The level of sensitivity that you develop depends on your walk with God, and how much attention you give to the Holy Spirit, and what your calling is, and how much time you spend praying this way. Each person is affected, or influenced, or will interpret or understand spiritual things in a personal way.
November 29, 2012 at 11:25 am
Proverbs 8:8 All the words of my mouth (wisdom) are with righteousness; Nothing crooked or perverse is in them. They are ALL PLAIN to him who understands, And right to those who find knowledge.
1 Corinthians 14:15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding.
November 29, 2012 at 11:28 am
…to Him who understands.
November 26, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Brian, some things you have to get from God’s river,
and from God’s bird.
November 26, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Anonymous,…just be careful when and what way you drink from the river,..The Lord watches the way you eat and drink and digest,..and even what you crave or dont as case maybe.
Judges 7 v 5-7
5 So he brought down the people unto the water: and the Lord said unto Gideon, Every one that lappeth of the water with his tongue, as a dog lappeth, him shalt thou set by himself; likewise every one that boweth down upon his knees to drink.
6 And the number of them that lapped, putting their hand to their mouth, were three hundred men: but all the rest of the people bowed down upon their knees to drink water.
7 And the Lord said unto Gideon, By the three hundred men that lapped will I save you, and deliver the Midianites into thine hand: and let all the other people go every man unto his place.
November 26, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Out of your belly shall flow rivers of living water.
(Jesus)
November 27, 2012 at 5:28 am
True those who come to Christ are saved by Christ the work of God and not man.
November 27, 2012 at 5:24 pm
The verse Anonymous was quoting in the next verse states. “and this He spoke of the Holy spirit who was not yet given…..”
November 27, 2012 at 6:30 pm
And the Holy Spirit, is, now, given.
November 28, 2012 at 2:44 am
Can I throw something into the discussion here.
There was at one time a universal language. “And the whole earth used the same language and the same words.” When man in his puny wisdom decided that he could reach into heaven by building a city and a tower. Gods answer was; “Come let Us go down and confuse their language that they may not understand one anothers speech.” As a result of this confusion; “THE LORD scattered them….over the face of the whole earth.” Language is what created the division of people groups.
My belief is man in his puny wisdom is endeavouring to once again establish a universal language. [I.e English] The idea in human terms is feasable to overcome the confusion. It begs the question though. If God established the confusion what right has man to endeavour to rectify the confusion.
English is not my first language so I am bi – langual. Rachel much of what you say has more depth and meaning when I translate it into my own language. It is difficult but I am thankful that I have the complete Bible in my language so Some linqist say English is the most confusing language that exists
November 29, 2012 at 11:28 am
Hi Llew … I agree .. even if English is the native tongue between two people communication can be difficult. Thus why we trust the Holy Spirit to teach us all things concerning the spirit, which includes just about everything .. and He gives understanding of all things as we can receive them as truth builds.
November 28, 2012 at 3:30 am
It’s Llew again. I’m sorry but somehow pushed the post button before completing my comments.
English is so complicated, phrases have so many different interpretations and it uses a lot of words just to explain one word. Maybe why English brings so much division in interpreting scripture.
BUT!!! God Himself, in His wisdom has once again established a language specifically for His Kingdom [people group] of which we have been born into. The ENTIRE discourse of Pauls message on this subject from 1Cor.14 explains it so perfectly. Well! when read in my Bible anyhow, and this starts from chapter 12. Lets put aside our differences and see Pauls clear understanding, that leaves no room for confusion, on the matter at hand.
Yes I do believe in speaking in tongues as Paul, who spoke in tongues more than anyone else, has outlined here in Corinthians. But I do understand there is confusion IF THERE IS NO INTERPRETATION.
November 28, 2012 at 9:12 am
Llew, if I prophesy to you in English, that I’m telling you the truth about the subject that I shared, will you
believe me? Because that’s what I have done. Faith comes first. Then the evidence.
November 28, 2012 at 9:55 am
18 I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; 19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
Notice here that Paul said I speak with tongues more than you all
Yet – in the church – I would rather speak five words.
So, it is not– in the church that he is– speaking with tongues ‘more than ye all’.
This is in private, where he is praying in toungues, that he is doing it more than ye all.
Notice also, that in my previous statements, that I have done, exactly as Paul said,
and spoken my portion of words with my understanding, that I may teach others.
I make these statements for clarity, and not argument.
November 28, 2012 at 8:02 am
And Immanuel made it more clear,..when He said,My Sheep Hear My Voice!
November 28, 2012 at 10:58 am
Anonymous
I agree with everything you are saying. Paul was setting the parameters for when tongues was to be used and when it wasn’t. Do we agree on that?
Llew
November 28, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Yes, I was only pointing out that there are two subjects about tongues being mentioned here by Paul.
One is concerning the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, in which one receives an initial baptism of the Spirit, and receives tongues as a prayer language. In this instance, you may pray privately, without interpretation.
The second subject matter that Paul is covering, is “The Gift of Tongues”. This is a second gifting which is used in the assembly,
and needs interpretation. Here, a different person will have the “Gift of Interpretation, so that the church is edified.
November 28, 2012 at 11:04 am
thethreshermansson
I agree with you to. But in what language [that I as his sheep speak] do I hear
His voice with? That is the point I was endeavouring to make before
November 28, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Anonymous,
not once did Immanuel refer to speaking in tongues.
what do you mean by, tongues?…different lauguages?..or….inaudible language,mutterings?
on the day of Pentecost,.Acts 2,.when the ‘tongues of fire’ (The Holy Spirit) came and FILLED those blessed enough,..they spoke in all languages to all the different peoples of different languages there,..not some inaudible drunken lingo,…and because they spoke in different languages/in tongues 3000 were baptised that day,..and note again they were filled thats FILLED with the Holy Spirit,because they could do miracles and wonders,….people baptisted by the Holy Spirit cant,..just those FILLED,….i havent seen or heard of anyone from those times,..that is filled with the Holy Spirit,..and i wont until the same things Written in The Acts takes place once again!
as for prophecy,..maybe im getting my anonymous mixed up,..but what prophesy have you shared on here?
As for The Sheep,…not everyone is a sheep,..so not all will hear His Voice,depends on what fold you belong in….you do know theres different folds?
theres certain credentials the sheep have or must have, and know,..that if you are not a sheep,you wont see or hear,nor understand….but if your a sheep you’ll understand very well what ive just said in my post.
you do know theres the sheep,the lost sheep,and the gentiles?…alot of very different tongues,..but all either hear the Shepherd ….or will tarry,and definitely hear the voice, of The King
November 28, 2012 at 5:59 pm
1 Peter 4:10 10 As each one has received a gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
November 28, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Isaiah 50:4
4 “The Lord God has given Me
The tongue of the learned,
That I should know how to speak
A word in season to him who is weary.
November 28, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Just a comment relating to what did I mean by tongues/languages. In the incident from Acts yes I do believe it was in known languages. As to the unintelligable language, of which there is no understanding to man. According to my understanding of The Written Word I have to believe. Pauls statement. “For one who speaks in a Tongue does not speak to man but to God for no one understands but in his spirit [small s] he speaks mysteries.”
As to your next comment “…inaudible language, mutterings.” When Israel was under distress in Egypt and they prayed Gods words to Moses were “I have heard their GROANINGS…” [ having no intelligible words] Mutterings prehaps?
Another passage speaks of “..the Spirit intercedes for us with groanings to deep for words.”
There is so much in the Word which cannot be fathomed with the human intellect. That does not mean it cannot be understood. It takes the releasing of my mind and taking on the mind of Christ. Thats why I enjoy Rachels blogs so much. I know where she is drinking from.
Thanks for reading and commenting
Llew
November 28, 2012 at 5:25 pm
if you want to learn the language of God Almighty and His Son,..so you can speak and communicate with anyone of any language even the blind and the deaf,..its difficult to learn and master and get your head round never mind your tongue,..its the eternal language of Love and Truth,..done with many different actions and hand signs.
November 28, 2012 at 5:40 pm
5 These twelve IMMANUEL sent forth and COMMANDED, them, saying, “Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not.
6 But GO rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, ‘The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.’
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, RAISE the dead, cast out devils. Freely ye have received; freely give.
A Shepherd
Sheep
and Lost sheep
Gentiles and Samaritans.
those with eyes and ears.
November 28, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Hi thethreshermansson,
This is Llew here.
I do think we have moved slightly away from where we began which was in Corinthians.
I agree with what you were sharing from Acts. There was no confusion. All 16 people groups heard in their own languages.
Also you are correct when you say Nowhere in scripture did Immanuel refer to speaking in tongues. What I do find is “men who wrote the epistles did speak about tongues. (Ie. Paul in Cor.)
Where I do differ is: “the tongues of fire (Holy Spirit) came and FILLED those blessed enough….” It appears to me that
wind and fire were symbolic of the Holy Spirit, they were not THE Holy Spirit. The giving of the Holy Spirit was for the desciples to be “…WITNESSES unto Me [Jesus] both in Jerusalem and in all Judea,and Samaria, and even to the ends of the earth.” The nation that I am from happens to be the furtherest habitable nation from Jerusalem. So that scripture has been fulfilled.
As
November 28, 2012 at 7:37 pm
By Immanuel, do you mean Jesus?
November 29, 2012 at 10:04 am
Llew,
with respect when im discussing Scripture,..i wont and will not make the mistake of getting stuck in one verse,in one chapter in one Book,of The Bible,..i will use it as its meant to be used,just as One Book,..here a little,there a little,line upon line,precept upon precept……if we all arent doing that,with the help of The Holy Spirit, and The Son of God being the Only Teacher,..then that is where a very large part of the problem lays to understanding, The Truth,never mind each other
im sorry if you after having read Acts 2,..cant grasp they were filled with The Holy Spirit,and It enabled them to speak in languages..in my Bible it reads….whats its say in yours?
Acts 2 v 3 -4
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost and began to speak in other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
November 29, 2012 at 10:26 am
Anonynous,
by Immanuel,..i mean,the one, the sign given by The Lord Himself, Isaiah 7 v 14
The Messiah,The Righteous One,The Lamb,The Shepherd, The Rock,The King of Israel,The Chosen Son of God the Father Almighty,whom is Chosen to be King of All His Heavenly Kingdom,..which He now is,..and in time will be King of This World
and all the people,His Chosen ones,..and all the other nations and peoples that will come to Him as Their God and King,..and HE shall lead and teach and restore,everyone who repents and accepts,..to Worship His Father and His God, God Almighty, The Majesty Father, Most High, The Blessed One.
by Immanuel i mean,.The One Written about, The Word,for God Almighty,..which the Scriptures tell of on every page in every book,..The One that is the ONLY mediator for man,to God Almighty The Father,..The One who chose to die,a ransom for many,..who the Father Glorified by raising Him from death,conquering it, Whom received His Gloried Spirit and Body,in Heaven,in the days after Resurrection,..who returned for a further 30-?-40 days,..who left from Mount Olive,approx 2000 years ago, in the very same form He will return there to,..when all that is Written is fulfilled.
Anonymous,
by Jesus, do you mean Immanuel?
November 29, 2012 at 10:30 am
Your comment about Immanuel was incorrect.
November 29, 2012 at 10:50 am
Anonymous
well,then,you feel free to correct me
November 29, 2012 at 11:11 am
I just did.
November 29, 2012 at 11:31 am
The Holy Spirit is the one that teaches us spiritual things .. he is the interpreter in our spirit so we can understand the things of God as He desires us to know ..
November 29, 2012 at 1:04 pm
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
November 29, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Ezk 2
4 And He said unto me, “Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with My words unto them.
5 For thou art not sent to a people of strange speech and of a hard language, but to the house of Israel,
6 not to many people of strange speech and of a hard language, whose words thou canst not understand. Surely, had I sent thee to them, they would have hearkened unto thee
November 29, 2012 at 1:17 pm
all the parts of the body need to consider their part in the body,greatly!
Matthew 5:30
And if thy right hand cause thee to fall, cut it off and cast it from thee; for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mark 9:43
And if thy hand cause thee to fall, cut it off. It is better for thee to enter into life maimed than, having two hands, to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched,
Mark 9:45
And if thy foot cause thee to fall, cut it off. It is better for thee to enter halt into life than, having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched,
November 29, 2012 at 1:27 pm
So what is your issue Brian?
As Shakespeare said, what is your complaint?
November 29, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Anonymous
I understand a fury in your words
But not the words.
didst my posting of Scriptures offend thee?
November 29, 2012 at 5:52 pm
I wasn’t offended at all.
Your Scriptures have nothing to do with the subject at all.
My original postings were for Rachel, Llew and others that might
have been interested in my knowlege of which the Lord
led me to share. No offense is attatched to any of that.
Here are Immanuel’s words on the subject.
Mark 16:17 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
November 30, 2012 at 6:09 am
Anonymous
i meant, if you were going to correct me over something i said relating to Scripture,..that you, would have used Scripture to correct me,..and that, i would humbly accept.
so if you think ive said something incorrect about something in Scripture please show me,by Scripture, were ive erred.
November 30, 2012 at 8:16 am
Mark 16:17 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
November 30, 2012 at 10:48 am
Anonymous,
but your getting to caught up in ‘tongues’ as it also means other languages.
and to quote Mark 16 v 17,….that is just the match of Acts 2,..that we have already covered and Scripture proves itself true, by confirming in the Acts it meant different languages.
The Threshermansson
November 30, 2012 at 11:39 am
Two polite comments.
I am not getting caught up in tongues. It is simply the subject I am covering. It is a actually centered around the Holy Spirit Baptism,
of which my original comments were based on how the intricate nature of tongues operates, and the spiritual benefits it provides.
The tongues ‘is’ other languages.
I have spoken in several from earth, but they are not always, from earth but some from Heaven. Nevertheless they are languages, but not all are messages, most are for prayer.
If the languages were all from earth, you would not need someone
with a gift of Interpretation, to interpret it.
This is why Jesus said, they are “New’ Tongues.
Not old, or from earth.
Also, there is a miracle in hearing of tongues, where the hearer is ‘hearing what they need to hear’, so the miracle is on the ear.
The emphasis is often directed on the “message of tongues”, but my comments are about “praying in tongues”.
This is why I made my original commentary, because people are unknowledgeable of the distinction betweeen the two aspects.
This is actually a doorway to the gifts of the Spirit in general.
Which is even a greater, more indepth study.
Nevertheless, tongues are all languages.
The Bible calls it tongues, because if it were referred to as languages,
it would make the reader, think these were all from earth.
That’s why the Bible says tongues. Because they are unfamiliar.
Some are new, from heaven,-some from earth, but they can be either.
I’m going to include a scripture from Acts, not for argument, but for you to read about a different instance, that has not been sited, that shows the Baptism of the Spirit.
The things I am speaking about are from my experience, not just from the Bible. So I have the same experience Paul did.
I’m not saying them to prove a point, I’m saying them because the Lord ask me to share them.
Acts 19:1 And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2 he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” 3 And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?” So they said, “Into John’s baptism.” 4 Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.” 5 When they heard [this,] they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.
November 29, 2012 at 3:40 am
thethreshermansson,
At the end of your post you put:
The shepherd
sheep
and lost sheep
Gentiles, Samaritan.
Are Gentiles and Samaritans sheep? In the passage you mentioned Israel is referred to as lost sheep.
Llew
November 29, 2012 at 2:06 am
anonymous,
I was reiterating what thethreshermansson had stated in his post. Whether he was meaning Jesus he would have to answer that.
Llew
November 29, 2012 at 10:46 am
Llew,…..Scripture is there for us all to read,..its not my words,its The Saviours Word
Matthew 10
5 These twelve IMMANUEL sent forth and COMMANDED, them, saying, “Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not.
6 But GO rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
i mean you have to search and discern within yourself what is being said here,…and who is who,…
and as Immanuel said Himself,Matthew 15 v 24 a very profound thing,
v 24
“i am SENT ONLY,to the lost sheep of Israel”
christianity as a whole, in all its churches overlooks this greatly,..or maybe dosent look at it, at all!
are the lost sheep,gentiles, christians, samaritans,..all mixed in together,..hence in the future prophecy of separating the sheep from the goats,..whos who?..whos the first fruits,whos the barley,..whose the wheat,..whos the called ones, whos the chosen ones,..theres very different groups in Scripture,if you have the eyes to see!
November 29, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Rachel,
Thanks for giving this debate some wise words. There was a bit of pitting ones own spiritual knowledge against the other.
It’s a journey into this realm of spiritual knowledge. I am open to it though.
God bless
Llew
November 30, 2012 at 10:51 am
im not sure which Anonymous,BUT…could the Anonymous that posted…
‘Your comment about Immanuel was incorrect.’
to me,
please tell and explain to me where ive erred?..so i can correct myself if i have erred.
December 10, 2012 at 11:06 am
The holy spirit, talk to me, do not be afraid, when you begin connecting to the spirit of God, fear begin to melt slowly, there is no way you can turn back,what you have tasted from the holy spirit, nobody can still it to you. You are operating by a cruise control device : the spirit of God, it is a bit like getting on a roller coaster, when you get in at first, your heart starting to beat very fast, something inside of you is happening, it is like an earthquake, your body is all shaking, then when you get on the top of the mountain , you know you can’t go backward, just let go, you are not in command no more, God is, just let him do everything for you and have fun through the ride.
December 10, 2012 at 11:41 am
yes .. it does feel like this, doesn’t it?
December 11, 2012 at 5:49 am
I wish a good day to my grand sister Rachel,
it is now 7:45 a.m in Quebec.
December 13, 2012 at 9:07 am
I read your posted of 25 may 2009 “fear riding on my shoulders”
is it possible that in the kingdom of heaven, we all becoming part of giant web rule by the spirit of God, we are all interconnect through the kingdom of heaven, the power of God can flow from one vessel to the other as he wish, taking from one and giving to the other.
I quote from your post:” Don’t fear, I’m with you…Don’t give room to the fear” and I answer to that, the sun will rise up against the fear, and as is with the mustard seed will begin slowly to melt down the fear and as the sun starting to rise above the horizon of your heart it will then start to melt down in a dramatic way all the remnant of your fear.
I quote again from your posted :” just be who you are and let me do the rest” it is like saying “you are not in command no more, God is.”
I quote you again: ” I was like a ship prepared to sail but never caught the wind.”
now something new, ” get of that ship, I will put you on a windsurfing just hang on to the wishbone let the holy spirit blow into your sail, and beleive me you will feel the deepest power of God.
These are words to confort you. When ever you have doubts or fears, you can ground to those words, and I can say that those words are being put into my heart by the holy spirit and given to you,
December 14, 2012 at 3:44 pm
They are beautiful words .. thank you for your faithfulness in sharing them.
December 13, 2012 at 9:27 am