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Nov 3rd – Righteous Reign


Nov 3rd – Righteous Reign

Matthew 25:6 And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!’

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Author: Rachel

Contemplating the oneness of Truth while guided by the Voice of Truth produces the evolution or maturation of the soul, spirit and mind, so reality can begin to reflect Truth's immutable, divine attributes, which manifest the highest good for all. This blog reflects an ever-deepening understanding of the Truth a soul gains as its mind is renewed by Truth's pure Light.

62 thoughts on “Nov 3rd – Righteous Reign

  1. Rachel, just like to add these very valuable pieces of Scripture to your video,…you maybe over looked the importance of them in these very important times for us to get it right, as our souls depend on it,..the anti christ is going to get his kingdom for ‘one hour’, do you with your thoughts on the Kingdom of God being established now,..when Scripture says the kingdom of the false christ will come first,..and the time of testing,..the great delusion,..the famine of the Word of God..the ‘lying wonders’ that COULD ALMOST,..fool the elect,if possible.

    where would be the best place to fit these things into your, sharings????

    Amos 8

    ‘The days are coming,’ declares the Sovereign Lord,
    ‘when I will send a famine through the land –
    not a famine of food or a thirst for water,
    but a famine of hearing the words of the Lord.
    12 People will stagger from sea to sea
    and wander from north to east,
    searching for the word of the Lord,
    but they will not find it.

    Rev 9 v 11, the beast from the bottomless pit

    Rev 17

    8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


    17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

    THERES a 84 month period,.(not my words)…Described in Scripture,Daniel between the start of the Beast of Rev 9 v 11s kingdom, the start of Tribulation,..42 months and another 42 months with the Witnesses here for the latter 42

    BEFORE,..(again not my words or thoughts),..pure Scripture

    Rev 19

    The Master reigns,
    our God, the Sovereign-Strong!
    Let us celebrate, let us rejoice,
    let us give him the glory!
    The Marriage of the Lamb has come;
    his Wife has made herself ready.
    She was given a bridal gown
    of bright and shining linen.
    The linen is the righteousness of the saints.

    9 The Angel said to me, “Write this: ‘Blessed are those invited to the Wedding Supper of the Lamb.’” He added, “These are the true words of God!”

    10 I fell at his feet to worship him, but he wouldn’t let me. “Don’t do that,” he said. “I’m a servant just like you, and like your brothers and sisters who hold to the witness of Immanuel. The witness of Immanuel is the spirit of prophecy.”
    A White Horse and Its Rider

    11-16 Then I saw Heaven open wide—and oh! a white horse and its Rider. The Rider, named Faithful and True, judges and makes war in pure righteousness. His eyes are a blaze of fire, on his head many crowns. He has a Name inscribed that’s known only to himself. He is dressed in a robe soaked with blood, and he is addressed as “Word of God.” The armies of Heaven, mounted on white horses and dressed in dazzling white linen, follow him. A sharp sword comes out of his mouth so he can subdue the nations, then rule them with a rod of iron. He treads the winepress of the raging wrath of God, the Sovereign-Strong. On his robe and thigh is written, King of kings, Lord of lords.

    • Hi thethreshermansson,

      God is preparing His throne for judgment Psalm 9:7-8.

      What brings the end is the entrance of light, and it being here in a way it hasn’t before in Christ’s true disciples.. for we are His body. 2 Peter 1:19, Rev 2:27-28 This is what I’ve meant by the fullness of Christ .. it is the elect, the remnant having the light/truth/power which is righteousness so that righteousness can be established. This is the promise of Christ He is giving us.. His righteous spirit.

      We are at the beginning .. the elect, represented by the 5 virgins, receiving a fullness of Spirit, having their lamps “lit” by Christ because they have the oil of truth. They’ve been waiting and preparing for this by seeking righteousness and purity and detaching from the world’s ways. This presence of God in His elect is what brings in the judgment; for it is the truth/righteousness that will judge. Psalm 96:13 The light reveals all the things of darkness. All the works of darkness will begin to be revealed once the light is here. The light is within the elect, because Christ, the morning star, is rising in their hearts.

      Jeremiah 6:19 Hear, O earth! Behold, I will certainly bring calamity on this people–The fruit of their thoughts, Because they have not heeded My words Nor My law, but rejected it.

      The fire, the light/truth/God, will burn until all unrighteousness is destroyed .. this is what you see throughout Rev. Jeremiah 17:21

      But for those elect, there will be peace, rest, growing wisdom and power .. becuase these are the things of God. How they take over and start to reign is by the wisdom and righteousness they possess by the power of God in them. The world will transition as unrighteousness is purged and righteousness starts to take over. In the midst of the destruction of the wicked, the elect will serve as a comfort for God loves His creation and desires them to come to repentance.

      Ezekiel 14:22-23 Yet behold, there shall be left in it a remnant who will be brought out, both sons and daughters; surely they will come out to you, and you will see their ways and their doings. Then you will be comforted concerning the disaster that I have brought upon Jerusalem, all that I have brought upon it. And they will comfort you, when you see their ways and their doings; and you shall know that I have done nothing without cause that I have done in it,” says the Lord GOD.

      What is coming isn’t like the images portrayed by the church system .. thus many won’t understand until they see the elect starting to radiate the true light …

      This righteousness within the elect is also what protects them from the fire. For all will be seasoned with fire, but if you are of the fire .. then it is peace because it is the power of God coming upon you.

      • Rachel, as far as what the Church teaches in the non-denominational realm, they- do believe what you are saying. They believe a combination of what you- are saying, that the Church brings the Light to the World-
        and then culminating with what Brian is saying. So, they are actually in agreement with you both. The only difference would be that your statements refer to the two activities being more simultaneous, pulling Brian’s statements up to the present; whereas the Church would push Brian’s part back a bit, meaning further into the future. Didn’t know if you were aware of this?

      • Anonymous.

        its not that i disagree with alot of what Rachel says,..its just i cant agree with what she say,her time frame and actually what she dosent say.

        as for what ‘church’ your referring to,..non denominational,.. youd ave to be more specific,..certainly i wont be agreeing with anything that comes out of the roman vatican church,..and its sister church the Church of England and all the tentacle churches that flow from that Roman run Protestant church of England, Presbyterian, free Presbyterian,Baptist, Methodist,’ie’hovah witnesses,etc..all of them in the UK are tied to the CoE,..and in turn that church and its head subtlety given alleiange to the nazi papal unholy father in rome and his superiors the roman jesuits,..and all teach a false gospel,..they have twisted Scripture so much,..and feed their flocks the flesh of swine and dainty meat,..and have their worshippers worshiping the sun god,..with their pagan ba’al worship festivals passed of as ‘christian’ holidays’,…ill have nothing to do with any of their teaching but will urge anyone that belongs to my King Immanuel and His Father and His God, The Blessed One, The Father, Most High, come out from those Babylonian institutions
        where i live there are no non denominational churches that are trying to discern the times or Watching or warning their people that we are living in a time that the signs spoke of by The Messiah,regarding the signs and times just prior to the Great Tribulation,..a 7 years period,..spilt in two in Prophecy to two sets of 42 months

        as for Rachel,shes not a ‘church’ and she was doing ok for a blogger and you tuber on the internet and as someone trying to flee from this world system of lies, waking up, are finding ourselves in…and it is difficult to make sense of it all,.all i can say,i dont know it all,but i know when Scripture isnt being strictly adhered too,..things start to go astray..shes begun to stray from the Scriptures,..ive pointed it out that what she is saying lately is not matching Scripture,..the difference between Rachel and myself, she is putting her thoughts, sharings,..and some might ,as posts prove for themselves,..her post could be seen as ‘teaching’..though she will deny this,..and say we have One Teacher (to which i fully agree),..we have but One Teacher, Our Redeemer,The Messiah/King Immanuel, through The Holy Spirit….and we can know each other by The Scriptures matching,..if they dont, then something and someone or even both are wrong, Scripture is always Correct as and when discerned properly….to me its no big thing if im wrong,and im corrected by Scripture, by anyone,….im humble enough to admit error and get back to Truth, should we all and help each other as we go…..i really dont care whos ego is dashed as long as Scripture is correct…
        2 things i totally disagree with her is The Spirit that leads us,..on the True path and will lead us is The Holy Spirit,..not this ‘spirit of christ’ rachel has been ‘sharing’ in her thoughts,…Luke 12 v 12 what Spirit leads us in Truth, The Holy Spirit… The Scripture……..
        ..and her mixing The Kingdom that takes 1000 years after His Return to fully Establish,..isnt starting now, its been ungoing even His Disciples understood this…BUT mixing it with/as.. The Actual well Described in OT Prophecy, OT and NT Scripture and even by His Own Mouth,..He will Return in Full Glory,. KING of Kings,…SEEN.. VISIBLE…with, a ‘group’ known as The Bride.. all those people the long dead,..the modern dead in Him, those out of Tribulation, that will accompany Him,.and .An Army of Angels, the Mount of Olives,..thats Scripture and dosent change for any Church,..Rachel or anyone,
        and if you want to change it, so at you own peril
        and ALSO what no church or Rachel wants to expose is THE BEAST FROM THE PIT,…the ANTI CHRIST,..the prophecied one that will come and pretend he/its is Christ,..and will fool many…the beast of the bottomless pit is one of the biggest threats to our souls and delusion in Prophecy regarding the Tribulation,..but no one wants to discuss ‘it’…or as the churches and blogs prove dont even want to mention ‘it’

        me,.. i’ll give you and Rachel and anyone that cares my understanding of The prophecied endtimes leading up to ,the 7 year Great Tribulation.

        All we can do is watch the signs going on in the world, the signs in the heavens,..i couldnt and wouldnt and wont recommend any date or time,..just the signs,..The Messiah said of those seeking signs, hypocrites you can discern the weather,..but not the signs of the end

        The Teacher, gave many warnings, it would come upon us like a ‘thief’ …as in the days of Noah,..Sodom and Gomorrah,…and heres wisdom its more than giving in marriage and homosexuality,..its about who was here at the time??

        as He sat on The Mount of Olives,..said, first, careful NO one deceives you….war and rumours of wars,..nation against nation,..BUT THIS IS ONLY the beginning of the end
        it listed in Matthew 24,..Luke 21..what must take place,..before,

        and this is just a basic out line,

        wars and rumours of wars,..signs in the heavens,..we all should by now be aware of all the aligments and transits and rare configurations that have happened in the last 2 years,..and especially this year, for war,..this world is on the brink of WW3,..with Rome /EU…using our brave UK and USA soldiers to bring it about,..and its Wriiten these countries invovles with suffer greatly,..discern Jeremiah whos who and whats going to happen,..and more importantly understand WHY?

        the beast from the pit will appear,..with his released angels,..the ones kept in ‘prison from the time of NOAH!!!,…to start the time of testing,.the delusion..the apostasy …YES i’ll say it for slow learnes,..he come as je’sus christ,…you might not have heard it before,..but you have now!!!,WAKE UP !!..and he will fool the whole world for at lead 42 months,..GOD Almighty is giving/allowing him that ‘time’

        for the last 42 months The Witnesses will appear and expose the false christ and his prophet..all accumulating in Jerusalem,..with them being killed,..coming alive and going to Heaven

        then,’ll start falling apart on him…how long?

        says Jeruslaem will by surrounded by Armies,..and unmissable sign will appear


        The King of kings Return,.. Luke 21 v 27,..Matthew 24 v 27, Matthew 25 v 31,Joshua, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Joel, Amos…..and be in no doubt and be full of hope…..ZECHARIAH 14….and …..Rev 19 v 11, it and rejoice

        a slight difference from Rachels sharings i know,..but Scripture is Scripture

      • Your judgements are from your own flesh, and do not come from a Spirit based perspective. The Holy Spirit does not strive against others.
        The Spirit of God is a– leading Spirit. Even Jesus did not try to force people to follow his Word. What the Word of God teaches, the Holy Spirit invites people into the knowlege- of.
        They that take up the sword will die by the sword.

      • Anonymous
        my posts are full of Scripture,..unchangeable Scripture,.. you or Rachel cant change to suit ourselves

        gotta say you gave me a laugh sometimes … a loving way

        again i give you Scripture,..its Written the Messiah Immanuel came to MINISTER,..NOT be ministered too.

        He said,…I Am The Good Shepherd, My Sheep hear My Voice and Follow Me.

        Its also Written,..and was Spoken by The King of Israel, The Messiah Immanuel, The rock and holy One of Israel,.
        .”Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to earth. I did not come to bring peace,but a SWORD”,…(you can read the rest yourself) Matthew 10 v 34-42

        its also Written,..that if your blind and you follow some else thats blind you will both fall into a ditch!

      • Yes, but your the one that’s digging the ditch for yourself.

    • Rachel Shalom
      I just wanted to comment and also say you are doing a wonderful Job bringing forth present truth concerning the Epochs of times and seasons that we are moving into I especially want to agree concerning about nov 3 will be a significant time when I believe a seal has been opened up for our dispensation of Time , one thing I realize is that the way the church came into this thing is not the way its going out, the Church came into this thing crucified for their faith but shes not going out this time shes going to remain, 2 passages i want to share with you that revolutioned my path (Hosea 6 is profound and Prophetic for our day because it talks about how the prophet is speaking to Gods people to return unto him and how the church or the body was smitten ,torn, in the Second day one day as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day which is prophetic, the early church was smitten , bruised ,crucified ,torn,beaten for their faith but notice what the prophet declares in vs. 2 of Hosea 6 after 2 days will he revive us and in the 3rd day he will raise us up and we shall live in his sight, we have just entered the dawning of the third day in our dispensation in which God is bringing a transformation from the Crucified realm to the Resurrected realm, the body has moved from one dispensation into another which declares that we are going to walk in a new form which you were talking about that the Righteous will begin to shine and inherit the Earth, no where in scripture do we find the Righteous taken out of the Earth except for Elijah and Enoch as a matter of fact God has always taken out the Unrighteous in the earth ,Sodom and Gomorrah, Noah, but God has given the earth as an inheritance to the Righteous. (2) Revelation 11:15) decrees and Legislates the transformation taking place where it says the Kingdoms of this World have now become the Kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ, very profound because at sometime in the future the church will begain to take lands ,Systems, Souls for Jesus and take the posture and position of the Kingdom, the church doesnt produce the Kingdom but the Kingdom produces a church, that being said at somtime in our Dispensation in which I believe you Nailed it concerning Nov 3 there will come a new day of transformation and the kingdom of God and its citizens will take on a new Posture in the Earth we will see a brand new Kingdom that is Advancing in Numbers and Multiplying over all the Earth. Great Word keep declaring that Truth Blessings to you.

  2. Hi Rachel,
    You are amazing. Thanks for all the Bible Knowledge.
    Why is November 3,2012 the date?

    • Hi Robin – God showed me by putting truths together in my life and how that corresponds to the bigger picture.

      • Hi Rachel,
        Why haven’t we been warned about November 3rd by any other Jesus lover?
        Can you please explain exactly what is going to happen November 3rd?

      • Hi Robin .. the “warnings” have been going on for years; centuries .. seek God and live. The true protection comes when you have the truth abiding in you .. which we each are taught by the Holy Spirit. Truth comes from within … deception from without. And for those who have been seeking God in truth and spirit there is no fear, for perfect love drives out all fear.

        As for Nov 3rd … the power of God will begin filling His people in a way that hasn’t been in the past. God is truth, love and power … and these they will be increasing in.

  3. The Holy Spirit is referred many different ways in Scripture as is Our Teacher, actually some 250 ways,..The Spirit of Christ/Messiah is of course the Holy Spirit,..and its The Holy Spirit that will lead us in All Truth.

    We are WARNED before the day of evil comes, put on The Fathers Armour,..Ephesians 6 v 14-17…and stand

    but,if you like, and you want copy the spirit of the humble King,..put His Clothes on

    Colossians 3 v 12-14

    12 Therefore, holy and beloved, as the elect of God, put on hearts of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering,

    13 forbearing one another and forgiving one another if any man have a quarrel against another: even as The Messiah/Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

    14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

    and discern this,..Scripture puts us all on earth for the end of the age/endtimes 7 year period.

    heres Wisdom,…over that 7 year time,..Seals are open Vials poured Trumpets are blown,. SCRIPTURE ,..thats… SCRIPTURE … in Revelation puts The Saviour is in Heaven, The Whole time,..right until the 7th Trumpet,..

    Matthew Chp,24 v 23,.24 25 26……tells beware of men and women that tell you different

    Matthew Chp 24 v 27,..makes sure you wont be fooled

  4. If all, or even any of your statements were true, then God has already judged guilty, every man and woman on earth. The assumption that you would be the only man that has the true knowledge of scripture would be highly ridiculous. Even, assuming you were, The Word of God would be contradicting itself, because it is inherent in scripture, that the Word allows place for repentance. This is a continued repentance that is offered, for the very reason of man’s fallibility. Therefore, God himself has determined ahead of time that man is a fallable being. Therefore, to hold man accountable for infallibility concerning the Word of God, would make God a liar. If you are relying on the Holy Spirit for your interpretations, it stands to reason that you are not capable of standing in the place of judgment on others, or you wouldn’t need His help. And the Catholic Church or any other Church professing Jesus, is in no lesser or greater place of judgement. You have been given the right to search the scripture, well said. But to assume to know God’s heart concerning His inheritance is laughable. That places the Catholic Church, or any other, high above your head, simply for humilities sake. Your judgements are based on your flesh, and the ability of your mind to judge. This is not God’s Spirit.

  5. as ever anonymous, say i said it

    if you cant understand what im saying but yet you can understand what Rachel says,…and you cant understand Scripture when i put it up clearly for you to go read and discern ,..and Rachel to,..for you and her now seem to be just disregarding sound Doctrine.

    as for me…how would a sinner like me judge anyone?,…i dont know anyones heart?…you you can get of my case their,..Immanuel The Messiah is The Judge,..Him and Him Alone,..i wont steal my Kings Glory.

    regarding institutions that lead people astray, the unholy roman papist church hierarchy ,..i love their flock,..but i detest,..thats detest and absolutely renounce their roman shepherds/peeping wizards my Bible describes them,and,false doctrines,and false idols,phallic mocking symbols..and their hideous queen of heaven and her demonic son,.tammuz,..their blasphemous head,known as vicar of rome,..and his general and his wizards that peep

    and be of no mistake,..when im judged by the Judge of Judges,..and im judged for,my Fearing The Lord,..i’ll recall the night on this very blog,..and words ive posted immediately above…so let it be

  6. I agree with that. But what your missing is, that’s not God’s total judgement of them, and you are already being judged.
    This isn’t wait and see.

    • Anonymous,

      i tell you what, for the last few years ive been getting my inner man threshed just as its Written in Proverbs,..its hasnt been easy,but i guess i can say,..ive loved every single minute ,..and i know theres a lot more whittling to be done to me.

      as for Judgement its very easy to see in Scripture,..different Judgements on different things by Our King, Sitting on His throne WHEN He Returns, ie Nations and Churches,..and also people too as individuals, i said,..i’ll leave Judgement Totally up to Him,..His Father Has

      you dont know me,you certainly dont know my sins,..i might die before, His Return, during, or even before The Great Tribulation,..
      i might not make the first Resurrection,..i’ll lay dead along time before the second,..and its Written to face Judgement so id say,..with earnesty its something we have to deal with ourselves with Him,..and please dont worry about me, out your own Salvation,..with fear and trembling, its also Written,…i wont answer for anyone else sins or anyone for mine,..though i can honestly say,..i look forward to my Judgement face to Holy Face with my Teacher, and My King,..and thats not a bad statement of a sinner like me

  7. Time frame or not, I as a new believer embrace Rachels love and passion for God. I find what she is teaching is encouraging and could only wish that human beings everywhere had this attitude to please God, but we do not, instead we see evil everywhere. I can only hope that righteousness does start to take over evil and Gods love comes for us all. Is this wrong?

    • dmactmac30
      as a new believer, Worship God Almighty you have to love truth,..and worship Him in your Spirit,..through His Son, The Only Teacher, via Holy Spirit,..its a narrow path to thread,..

      dont have anyone else as your Teacher,..certainly sharing thoughts and ideas is encouraging even to to a long time believer like me,…but we also have to be careful not to stray from Scripture ourselves never mind taking teaching from anyone else that is not adhering strictly to what is Written…discerning Scripture to suit yourself and possibly leading a new believer astray, wrong!,..

  8. Hi Rachel & listeners, E.W. here. I must speak on this subject! The Revelations, Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, & Ezekial are very complex and very misunderstood. All of these books must be compared And must balance out before there is God,s truth. By balance, I mean, if a statment in one book does not bring the same conclusion as a corasponding statment in another book, then it is not truth. Some of it will not even be found in these books. This is why Jesus said to seal it up amongst the disciples. The Holy Concilor will bring into your remembrance all that I have said. If one has not set their mind to know and understand God, then they will not receive the Holy Spirit. Therefore, study is only memery work into vanity. —There are two time tables for 42months/1260years. One of the 42month time events has already come and gone. The other 42months/1260 years is the last 1260 years of earth time. which will begin the day after the opening of the sixth seal(five have already been opened). If we knew the Day of the Lord, we could calculate the end of earth time. All whom look for understanding through men will become ashes on the Day of the Lord (will be a Friday). For, on the the next day(Saturday), those that are taught by the Holy Spirit will walk upon the ashes(for a thousand years) of those that did not stand up to the baptisim of fire. —I pray God will give understanding to all who read this because a man cannot.

  9. EW, we know Scripture can run twin track meanings of an hour,a day, a week ,a month,..and even a 1000 years having different meanings in different Scriptures,..can i can understand your thoughts on the events where the 42 months can be seen as 1260 years,..but….and…

    with respect….id have to totally disagree with you as to where we are on the scale of the endtime 42/42 months and the ‘seal’…and the Truth and Wisdom and endtime prophecy found in Isaiah, Ezk,Revelation,..and especially the wonderful book of Jeremiah
    as for the Book of Daniel, is quite specific on certain things that must happen,..and when and matches Revelation
    the 84 months are given, in days 1260/1260 as…. evenings and mornings.

    Ive noticed all these ‘teachers and people ‘sharing’ on the internet,..very very few want to address the actual anti christ,..not the spirit of anti jesus,..’it’ its self ..and the false prophet,…when if we study Scripture, should be able to see the importance to Prophecy being fulfilled regarding the ‘beast from the pit’

    there are many things in Scripture that tell us about the start middle and end of the & year Prophesied build up to The King of kings Return,

    Thats in All His Splendor and Glory,..and with all His Army of Angels,..just after the sign of His Eminent Return,..and thats after all that is Written is fulfilled,..and just to add not like a thief-like ‘spirit’ as Rachel has been sharing’

  10. Rachel,

    why do you never addressed the anti christ,..surely youve noticed it in all your studys,..the end times that you are suggesting we are in, mostly about the delusion it/he shall bring upon the world?…leaving things out of Scripture is as bad as adding things, it not?

    • Hi … as I said I write as God gives me the words to write. It’s His leading, not my own. That being said … if you know the truth then you won’t be deceived .. the protection from every contrary spirit.

      • Rachel,… i understand if thats how you take your lead,…if a teaching is taking you away and being contrary to Scripture you need to consider this greatly…..youve put a date of nov 3 on things…thats something you know or understand within your self,..its not long away,…if nothing happens i really hope you consider the path youve been took, and retrace your steps, far as im concerned you were doing very well,..but of late your post and blogs and thoughts …would different greatly from mine,..and, im honestly not worried about that,..but what i am worried is your straying from Scripture,..and that is a path i cannot go down with you or anyone.

        i can, debate, discuss, talk about anything, from any angle, but in the end must stand to the test of Scripture,….and if i,anonymous,or yourself post something and the other points out in Scripture it might not be correct then,..we, all of us should be able to defend ourselves by Scripture or else change our view so that its totally in line with Scripture

      • Thresher you might consider this thought. If each claims that the Holy Spirit is leading, then how will we know when (or if) someone has the Spirit (spirit of God) on the subject? I could only suggest you would have to match the leading or teaching- to- how it agrees with others on the subject, or you would have to accept the fact that we do not always hear correctly. Paul said, we see through a glass darkly. He said when that which is perfect is come we will no longer need prophecy. And I would think- that which is perfect- has not come yet. So we have an element of the unknown, hence it is ‘through a glass darkly’, or we are now already made perfect. If we are already made perfect, we would have agreement. So I think we are somewhere inbetween. Feel free to comment on my analysis. Again I say– We do not always hear correctly, would be a fair supposition.
        Guido Sarducci

      • Guido,..i know what your saying,..and im always mindful of the plank in my eye and the moat in my brothers or sisters.

        but, more mindful of not straying from Scripture,..and so should we all.

        certainly you could apply your point to basic Scripture,..but this blog is about stirring the deep things,..and its more advanced than the sipping milk stage with the where newer believer finds it difficult to understand basic Scripture.

        Rachel is putting out alot of her own thoughts and deep Scripture and its not hard to see even with a huge plank in my eye and hands over my ears shes straying from the Written Word,..and even adding to it,..and certainly not sharing the same Gospel as The Messiah did,..out of His own lips,..not sauls/pauls lips,..His Own Lips,…we dont have to look through a glass, just listen to His Voice…and if we miss-hear,fair enough,and if we are challenged then we should defend our selves with Scripture..and we should all be humble enough for to correct ourselves as need be,..

        Rachel has got The Kingdom totally mixed up with The Messiahs Second Coming,..almost to a point where its hard for her to admit or confess it,..and has totally over looked events ,..that are long Written down,..The Messiah spoke of and Written one end of The Old testament right through to the very last Book and Chapter of the New Testament,..(oh and i dont like referring to OT and NT, me its,..all Holy Scripture),..and its not that i want to be seen somehow as trying to prove her wrong or me right,..that truly is not my intention,..i want Scripture to prove itself True and her to see it and get back to the path she was on,..when you put yourself forward as a ‘teacher’ you need to be very careful!

      • I agree with most of your comments. However you need to rethink your position on Rapture, because it’s going to happen and it’s in the Word. If your sticking with the Word, then correct yourself on this point as well. I don’t want to see you stray, as well. It’s not a matter of putting yourself forward as a teacher. Jesus said, Go into all the World and preach the Gospel to every creature, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. Where you would be in trouble is not for teaching, but for trying to be a leader. There is only one leader, but there are many teachers.

  11. Suite Rachel,
    What is the name of the Bible, that you use, which has the broad boarders, and margins, for writing notes in, that you have mentioned in the past?
    F. Guido Sarducci

  12. Hello listeners, E.W. here, my points are not to argue the word of God, but to give perceptions of study and most of all, teachings from the Spirit. Question is, how do we know what teaching is from the Spirit? A true follower of Jesus knows the great deceiver has a strong conerfit for everything Jesus does. First question of the equation should be, is God the same today as He was in Jeremiah’s day? Then look to CH.33 “Thus says the Lord who made the earth, the Lord who formed it to establish it—the Lord is His name: CALL TO ME and I will answer you and will tell you GREAT and HIDDEN THINGS which you have not known(we can study scripture and never know its truth).” Next question, how do we know that it is God telling us, or is it the great deceiver talking? —In the book of John (the fourth book of the New Testement; written by Luke, about John the baptizer), Jesus brings out the truth of this subject in clear detail.—First & formost we must submit our total trust to Jesus. Then continually study the scripture to be an approoved workman unto God. Then Jesus will send the Holy Spirit to bring into our remembrance the right scripture to answer all of our questions. Anything else is imagination/the great deceiver talking. —it is very possible that some of this man’s perceptions are wrong. That is one of the reasons I am tuned to this blog; that I might see Jesus clearer through someone else’s eyes. However, many things I read from others, leaves no doubt that the perception spoken has come out of old hand-me-down-religion from people who are still wondering after the beast & worshipping his image.

  13. EW…..Oh youll know its the Holy Spirit teaching you,..when you understand something youve read 100 times and didnt understand,..or if you start to understand the Parables…and as you should know if your studying in the truth of your heart to seek the real Truth, wil be confirmed to you in many diffferent ways Our One and Only Teacher through the Holy Spirit.

    Hymenaeus & Philetus spring to mind when ive been on this blog,they started teaching the resurrection had taken place,.Rachel seems to have gone down a similar path lately,..teaching a different 2nd Coming to Scripture,..and has come up with a 4th ‘spirit’ of Christ in her own resurrecting version of this ‘spirit’,..then dosent want to debate for or against her thoughts when challenged with Scripture.As you rightly put its The Holy Spirit thats sent and leads us in all Truth,..anything else is imagination/great deceiver talking and id add the spirit of Jezebel or possibly the anti christ spirit,..or all.

    if you are referring to me referring to the’ beast’ i certainly dont get it from any hand me down religions,..i get it straight from Scripture,..handed down through The Great Prophets, and whoever can ignore that Scripture

    Grave, warnings are given in Scripture about the beast from the bottomless pit,..My King went to minister on to the angels in the bottomless pit for 3 days and nights in His Spirit while His Dear Body lay in The Tomb.,
    ..’this fallen’ group will be released from their prison pit to reek their, delusion,false miracles, that God Almighty, The Father, Will allow and has set a time frame of one ‘hour’

    you can mock me all you like,…but you discern this,..Its Written, read whats Written of the’ beast from the pit’ and his, or deny it all you like
    its Written, the elect could be fooled if it was possible when those fallen ones are Willed, their hour!..this is foretold for the end of the age

    EW, you think we are in the end times just before the prophesied time of the end of the age,..that the beast from the pit will come and have his moment of fame,..that will be destroyed at the ACTUAL Physical Return of The King of kings,in a His Glory?

  14. ‘From childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able
    to instruct you for salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. All Scripture is inspired
    by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in
    righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.’
    (2 Tim. 3:15-17)
    The Old Testament (O.T.) uses many ‘Types’ or prophetic pictures to tell the story of Christ and God’s redemptive plan.

  15. In God’s image we are also a Trinity; a tri-unity of
    body, soul and spirit (cf.1 Thess.5:23). Spirit is the
    part which relates to God (1 Cor 2:11), the soul is
    the seat of the emotions; our personality (mind,
    will and emotions), and the body is the seat of the
    senses, the means by which we touch, smell, see,
    taste, hear and relate to the earth.

  16. Hi Rachel,
    The Holy Spirit speaks to all belivers, but as for a specific date as November 3rd that God’s spirit is going to start filling belivers in a new way. How did the Holy spirit specifically speak November 3rd to you? Was there specific scriptures? Please explain.

  17. Anonymous/or Guido,.im not sure who posted but anyways!

    You mentioned ‘rapture’ ..and me re-thinking, and sticking to The Word !

    heres my understanding to what is in Scripture,..and what you call ‘rapture’ / people/human beings being removed from this world (FOR a TIME),..Scripture would have me thinking theres 3 ‘rapture’ type events

    Rev 3 …has 1 ‘church’ being kept from the hour of testing’……how many?/ its 1 church from the 7…where they are taken/kept ???,…Scripture would hint/ the ‘wilderness’,..but like Elijah,..wont be found,..anywhere!

    Scripture would link the hour of testing/the arrival of the false je’sus intimation, 2nd coming/ creating delusion/ setting up /beast from pits kingdom and start of the last 7 years great tribulation/1st seal/(possibliy 5th Trumpet) all being in and around the same time/1st 42 months….three and a half years

    The Witnesses arrival in and around the start of the last 42 months/1260 days are the first that i can find in Scripture that die/remain dead 3 days/come to life/ and get took up to HEAVEN, the near end of the last of the last of the Prophesied 84 months….(this ‘rapture’..will be very visible and Scripture places it, and around the 6th Trumpet)

    some approx days/months/year later, Scripture would place the Sign of the Second Coming being imminent …………..THEN

    thats when the graves are opened/the prisoners set free and those left alive all,..’raptured’ up to meet Our King in All His Glory in The air,.. NOT HEAVEN.

    what could be left open for open debate is just how many will be in that group of the Witnesses,..does that include the Elect?..the Bride?…or just 2 Witnesses!…will that 1 church kept from the first 42 months accompany them,.as did the women that accompany Our Master and His Disciples and Apostles
    im assuming The Witnesses will create and have a great following,.. i really hope i survive the up coming destruction that will precede the false christs arrival,..just to see the Witnesses,..but if not, if, its, My Fathers Will i’ll go to my clay pit and await being freed from it, by My Wonderful Kings’ Awesome Power and Glory, it at His 2nd Coming,.or the 2nd Resurrection

    well thats my thoughts and of course always open for debating and searching of Scripture for The Truth,..proving, always, itself, True.

    whats yours?

    • I would not attempt to prove the Rapture from the book of Revelation. It’s my personal belief that no one understands this book in total.
      What Rapture I am referring to is mentioned in Thessalonians, where Paul said “We (the Church) that is Christ’s bride, will be caught up together with them in the air— “and so shall we ever be with the Lord”,
      indicating Heaven. Heaven is the destination. This is God’s Word. I’m saying it as- a teacher and representative of Christ Jesus, without fear or hesitation.
      In answer to your question, the Rapture comes before the Anti-Christ is Revealed, and before the “Great” Tribulation. Those being Raptured will be professing believers in Jesus Christ, who are walking with Him in Purity, and Truth, and not living in sin. Those who claim Christ, but are not following the Teachings of Christ’s purity, will be left here to go through the Tribulation. The Word says, that ‘those who do not take the Mark of the AntiChrist, will not be able to buy or sell’. So that will be a group of people who have come to believe in Christ after the Church is taken up. They will not choose to participate in the Antichrist system, and will not be able to buy and sell. This is the Word of God. I preach, or teach it, as a representative of Jesus.

      • Guido,..just a few things that dont add up with your thoughts

        well depends on whether?…would you agree or disagree verse 15 and 16 means His actual visible Second Coming?…at the 7th Trumpet?.

        if it is,..His Second Coming is at the end of Tribulation,..surely you as a teacher would understand the chain or order of events?

        the dead are raised first v 16 and caught up in the air,..and after them,.. those that are alive v 17..? yes?

        1 Thess 4

        15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

        16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

        17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

        and Guido,…

        you posted
        “will be caught up together with them in the air— “and so shall we ever be with the Lord”,
        indicating Heaven.”………….REALLY ?

        in the air,. is not Heaven!,..the problem with your thoughts is this, The Second Coming The Messiah isnt turning back to Heaven, !.. its well documented Hes Returning to this World to the Mount of Olives Acts 1…and Hes going to Remain Here in His Rightful Place as King of this world that will be re newed…FOREVER, where,..not one line, in Scripture will you find any verse saying Hes leaving again once He Has Returned,..and hundreds of verses telling us what The world will be like under His 1000 year Rule….before death is destroyed forever.

        His Millennial Rule, any Teacher worth his salt should know,..will be here on this earth,..starting as Scripture says, the ending of this age ..not after the end,..before the end,…as ive said to Rachel, ill say to you DO NOT TAKE AWAY The Glory that is His

        Rev 20 and21,..isnt hard to understand,..its not hard to see at all, its ‘earth’ albeit a new ‘earth’ still this world 1000 years AFTER His Return and 2 nd Resurrection , confirmed in the OT,..and certainly not Heaven,, Rev 21 quite clearly states The Holy City,..will leave Heaven,..and its destination is earth.

        and if you disagree with me,fine,..but Rev 21, do you say your destination is Heaven,..when Rev 21 says its Coming to earth,…and the Light in it is,..His Lamb.

        and That Lamb,.is The Holy Chosen One, The Shepherd, The Rock of Israel, That Lamb is my is King, The Messiah, Immanuel,..

      • ”’And so shall we ever be with the Lord,”’
        indicates Heaven.
        This is Heaven in Eternity, and is why Christ died.

      • This is two different– returnings.
        The Rapture is first. Then the Anti-Christ is revealed and reigns on earth a short period.
        Then is the last return, He consumes the Anti-Christ, with the brighness of His coming.
        The first return is as a thief (simply meaning in Secrect) or Rapture.
        In the Last Return, every eye shall behold Him.

  18. Sorry i made a spelling mistake….2nd line of 4 paragraph should read ..” false je’sus imitation 2nd coming/ creating delusion”

  19. Well not Heaven according to my Bible, my Bible in the Books of The Prophets tells of His Everlasting Reign on earth not Heaven

    no i think youve got it slightly round the wrong way,..the anti christ aka the beast thats in the bottomless pit,Rev 9 v 11, allowed by The Father God Almighty, ‘hour’ free reign,..the great delusion’ and all that,..then he will be revealed by the Witnesses for the last 42 months,..well in my Bible anyways.

    the day of the Lord will come on those that arent watching,..Scripture in my Bible plain and simply has The Lamb, Heaven the whole time of Tribulation,..where does your Bible have Him?

    you post in your last line.. “In the Last Return, every eye shall behold Him.”..the last return,ok, can we agree He is Coming here in All His Glory ?

    if so,..what Scripture says Hes leaving?,..The Old Testament Testifies Hes Staying, Forever

    • Ok. When you are in disagreement on reading. You need to go slow.

      Several very important points, that you need to ask yourself.
      These are from your comments, but may be out of order.
      I think they are in order.
      I am commenting, as they come to my attention.

      1) your comment.
      the day of the Lord will come on those that are not watching.
      question. For what purpose, will it come on them, and what will happen to them?

      2) your comment
      Scripture in my Bible plain and simply has the Lamb,…in Heaven the whole time of Tribulation.
      —–That’s exactly what I said, and the SAINTS, ARE WITH HIM, because of the Rapture.

      3)your comment
      Can we agree He is coming here in all His Glory?
      —– Yes, and He will destroy the antichrist at His coming. (again, that’s what I said)

      4) Back to point 1).
      If the day of the Lord comes on those that are not watching, and this is during the Anti Christ.—
      then, no one will be Watching. Because Revelation says that the unbelievers take the Mark,
      and they don’t care, so they wouldn’t have reason to watch.
      The Christians on earth at that time, who do not take the Mark, will be Beheaded.
      So, the watching in point –1) that you mentioned, —is not referring to— that time period.
      (which is what I said).
      The watching in point 1) is referring to–, before the AntiChrist is Revealed.
      This is the time to watch, before, not after.

      All of your points lead to- exactly what I am saying, and that’s what the Bible says.

  20. so lets generalize,..

    now we have Father, Son, Holy Spirit …….and Rachels, ‘christs spirit

    Bottomless pit (angel prison)……the waterless pit (the grave)…a pit inside us..and a pit outside us

    we have a 2nd secret coming (which i deny totally),..An Awesome Second Coming of the King of Kings in All His Glory (which i agree with totally),but which would be the 3rd coming

    The OT Scriptures littered with line upon line about The Chosen Son being King on Earth FOREVER,……and a word that dosent say Heaven,..but means Eternity in Heaven!

    anybody know where it says about adding things to Scripture?

    and WHY is there no mention of the actual Anti christ,…Scripture has loads about him/it,.it/he does exist Scripture very plain where he/it is,and where hes/its going and what its/hes going to do when he/it gets here…..but nobody seems to know or want to know about it,….hes/it actually described as a thief,and his ole spirit is here already….becareful he/it dosent sneak up on us,.its Written, he’ll/it will do lying wonders and the world will wonder after him/it

    • Excuse me, but the Word of God says the Heaven’s and Earth will be folded up.

      • your excused if your referring to this Scripture,..and changing rolled,.. for folded,..but you need to read on in Scripture,..this is only in and around the 6Trumpet,..not the 7th,..would you not agree?

        Isaiah 34:4
        And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

        Revelation 6:14
        And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

  21. No when we are disagreeing in Scripture we need to be very thorough and discern with help of The teacher through the Wonderful Holy Spirit ,..and if we are seeking it truly with our hearts then there will be one truth, found as,wrong or liars and Scripture True,..yes?

    i’ll address your points one by one so there is no confusion,and always in hope The truth will always show through

    do you except the Tribulation lasts 7 years, 2 sets of 42 months ? in Daniel Prophecy?

    if so

    1) your comment.
    the day of the Lord will come on those that are not watching.
    question. For what purpose, will it come on them, and what will happen to them?

    the simple answer is its a testing,…the hour of trial,..Rev 3,..for 6 churches

    2 Thess 2

    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

    2) your comment
    Scripture in my Bible plain and simply has the Lamb,…in Heaven the whole time of Tribulation.
    —–That’s exactly what I said, and the SAINTS, ARE WITH HIM, because of the Rapture.

    i know you said it,..but its NOT what i said or what Scripture says either,.

    Rev 7 v 9 and v 14

    9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

    14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    you need to DISCERN GREATLY,..” came out of great Tribulation”…came out off ,..went through,….if they went through it then they didnt get to be where they are before it, understand?

    3)your comment
    Can we agree He is coming here in all His Glory?
    —– Yes, and He will destroy the antichrist at His coming. (again, that’s what I said)

    yes thats what you sai,…but then you go on to say enternity is in Heaven,..when we know Hes Coming Here,..and you will not find any Scriptuyre that says He leaving, Hes Coming Here to Live Here on Earth, over see His Fathers Will to be done on earth, it is in Heaven,..The Prayer hasnt been fulfilled yet nor will be for a time,..quite a time actually according to Scripture

    4) Back to point 1).
    If the day of the Lord comes on those that are not watching, and this is during the Anti Christ.—
    then, no one will be Watching. Because Revelation says that the unbelievers take the Mark,
    and they don’t care, so they wouldn’t have reason to watch.
    The Christians on earth at that time, who do not take the Mark, will be Beheaded.
    So, the watching in point –1) that you mentioned, —is not referring to— that time period.
    (which is what I said).
    The watching in point 1) is referring to–, before the AntiChrist is Revealed.
    This is the time to watch, before, not after.

    Our Saviour in all The Gospels was giving us Warnings and what to WATCH for,..and to WATCH,..not just christians,..EVERYBODY,…WATCH,.

    if i was a christian id be asking my self am i cold or am i hot,…and hopefully im not lukewarm,…or my head is not all i’ll be losing,..if you think that all the events that are about to come on this world is just for christians,..think again

    “you post”
    “….All of your points lead to- exactly what I am saying, and that’s what the Bible says….”

    hmmmm,… say most of the things we are discussing are the same/very similar,..just in what order we disagree ..and where eternity is going to be,..i say earth,with The Saviour here as King….you say Heaven.

    you show me one place,..just one, in Scripture that Actually says Eternity is spent in Heaven,….and i’ll fill this blog with Wonderful Scripture that Testifies for its self,..The Saviour will be here for a 1000 years after the devil has been put into the bottomless pit,..being loosed after a 1000 years,..then being cast to the lake with the anti christ and false prophet,..and then this world being restored and made new,

    • It seems you are more interested in following a particular viewpoint, than examining what the Word says.
      I wasn’t denying scriptures that refer to Christians that are– here during the anti Christ reign.
      My point was to show the verses that refer to those who are caught out, before that time.
      If you are interested in understanding, and having knowledge of the Rapture,
      that’s what I am providing for you.
      It’s a very important subject to the Lord. It’s a very serious subject to Him.
      If your heart is open to the subject, then the Holy Spirit will reveal it.
      I can only provide what the Spirit says to someone who believes.
      It’s not for me to show you anything, unless the Holy Spirit is leading you to believe.
      As far as your thoughts about Heaven, that’s a type of gnosticism I don’t follow.
      If you want to follow Jesus, you will be in line with what other believer’s believe
      and not following your own thoughts.

      • Guido
        with respect i could say exactly the same to you,..”It seems you are more interested in following a particular viewpoint, than examining what the Word says…in fact i’ll scrutinize every line by line of Scripture with you,..for the simple fact that discussing Scripture with someone like yourself with the likes of me,..makes us both search The Scriptures,..especially when we have 2 totally different view points,..yours with Eternity in Heaven,..mine with Enternity here on this earth albeit renewed,..everything new,..deserts and barren land made bountiful,..old ancient cities rebuilt,…wild animals eating straw and living together,..king david prince over us,..the Disciples leaders over us,..the angels as helpers,..and Immanuel here as King over us and everything, His Holy Heavenly City, sent from Heaven by His Father..thats Scriptural not gnosticism ..Rev 21 v 2…to say different is denying Scripture,…i mean how can you explain to me a city coming down from Heaven,..and Scripture going on to tell us in detail,…and you say its gnosticism

        you mention a Scroll being Folded,..consider when He unfolds this one and what He says before He folds it again

        Luke 4,..Beautiful Soul satisfying Scripture,..consider it greatly,..especially v 18…and verse 19, little words so huge a meaning,..(those with eyes blinded ohhh let them see)

        17 and there was given over to him a roll of Isaiah the prophet, and having unfolded the roll, he found the place where it hath been written:

        18 `The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because He did anoint me; To proclaim the gospel to the poor, Sent me to heal the broken of heart, To proclaim to captives deliverance, And to blind receiving of sight, To send away the bruised with deliverance,

        19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.’

        20 And having folded the roll, having given [it] back to the officer, he sat down, and the eyes of all in the synagogue were gazing on him.

  22. It’s fine that you are willing to cover every line. But in discussions of this nature you will need to keep it simplified, and you are moving too far across the Bible.
    Many of these subjects are not related in theses ways.
    Secondly, your views on death and life are not accepted by the Christian community and to be quite frank are in error. So it dismisses the content of the discussion.
    If you vary that much with Christian history, and the knowledge of scripture that early Church father’s and the Believers in General today believe, the Christian community, I think it would stand to reason that You would probably be more likely to be in error.
    For instance, not necessarily including Rapture, but in your other thoughts, I know of NO believers in Jesus that believe the way you do.
    I think you would be wise to let down your walls here, because I know No one who believes or reads the Bible from that interpetation.
    It’s normal to have some differences, but when you are that far out of the normal in understanding the Bible’s meanings in life and death, it should be enough for you to let down your walls, and listen to the Holy Spirit.
    The Bible is not that esoteric.
    These are my thoughts on it.
    I would need to understand, from you, why you think, you would be the only one of the Believers in Jesus, that believe this way. And I think that has been your disagreement with Rachel, so I’m not saying anything that has not been a concern of yours as well. You need to do more that just say, the Holy Spirit told me,
    but then, nobody else that has the Holy Spirit believes that.
    So I would suggest praying about keeping an open ear to what believers of Jesus believe,- across the World.

  23. guido,
    with all respect ,..i have not taking anything to do with main stream christian teaching for years,and i mean roman Catholicism and roman doctrinated ‘protestantism’,.except tell my fellow human beings to get out of its false teaching and get as far away from it as possible and do not,..keep any of its idols in your homes or keep any of its satanic based festivals like christmas, easter,..and hallow’een,..or any papal made saints days.

    thankfully im not the only one that thinks the way i do,…people are starting to wake up,..and study and learn for themselves from Our Teacher,..theres nothing ive said that i wont and dont produce Doctrine to support me,..ive never said The Holy Spirit told me,..and anyone that dosent agree with me dosent….i let Scripture speak for itself

    and you are in error with your post ..and you quoted..” But in discussions of this nature you will need to keep it simplified, and you are moving too far across the Bible.”

    do you not know its Written “line upon line,..line upon line.. precept upon precept , here a little there a little’

    my best advice to you is open the Bible in The Old Testament, need to eat some bread and meat with your milk and wine,..its good for the eyesight,..and the hearing,..and as it Written ,..the heart

  24. thanks but no thanks,…that would be like a pig getting a bath and going back to its muddy pit

    my advice to you is get out of whatever church you talking about,…call out from your heart to The Shepherd, your ears and listen to His Voice.

    • Yes it would be like a pig getting a bath.
      They would really give you a good scrubbing.

      • ohh phuk..the thought of it,..a dog returning to its own vomit,..springs to mind…..

        no,..its my heart that needs cleansed and my inner man, a good threshing,..theres Only One i can go to to do that.

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