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Why Christ Died?

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Why Christ Died?

God forgave in the Old Testament because forgiveness is a characteristic of love and God is love. So … why did Christ die?

2 Chronicles 7:14 if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

Christ died to remove the need for forgiveness.

In the sanctified human vessel of Jesus, God entered human flesh to reconcile His creation back to Himself. For there to be reconciliation, unrighteousness had to be destroyed because God is holy. By infusing His powerful spirit of truth and love into this earth through Christ; in time that spirit would destroy the lies, the sin, thus death WITHIN mankind leaving righteousness to reign. 2 Corinthians 5:19

By becoming one of us, God entered the pit, darkness, sin, death, this flesh world and He infused His spirit of light here, as a root, to be resurrected in us in the end days. Romans 5:10 Isaiah 53:2 This resurrection of His Spirit IN mankind would bring in His eternal reign of righteousness by transforming mankind’s souls. As long as any reign is external people will stray, the reign has to be on the inside, this is what God did through Christ. Jesus Christ physically resurrecting 2000 years ago was a testimony of His powerful resurrection to occur in mankind when His spirit resurrects many in the end days. John 6:40, Romans 5:12-21, 2 Peter 1:19

As Christ spirit grows in us; we become holy creations living righteously. Romans 5:17 Thus righteousness begins to be established in the earth.

This union of our spirit and Christ’s spirit is the marriage of us and Christ. The consummation of the marriage occurs as Christ enters our spirit and places His seed of light is us that grows in us into eternal creations. Proverbs 4:18 As with a human marriage, which is consummated by the joining of the male and female, so we are married to Christ when His Spirit infuses ours and a new spirit is born in us. This is in part why we receive a new name, because we have a new spirit. Matthew 16:17-18, Revelation 2:17 When He starts bringing us to life by infusing our spirit with His, then we have eternal life for the corrupted spirit in us drys up as His spirit of righteousness grows within us. His spirit destroys all sin, takes over, and governs our souls for eternity. Thus, we are one with Him for eternity. John 17:3, 17, 21-22

The Holy Spirit has been here since the physical resurrection of Christ Jesus to prepare us to be unified to Christ’s Spirit. This is why He is our teacher to teach us all things. 1 John 2:27 Christ is at the door. Rev 3:20 Those who answer the knocking and embrace Christ’s spirit are those who sought God in truth and spirit, were taught by the Holy Spirit, and went through the death of their corrupted spirit so they could receive a new spirit. Matthew 22:14, Revelation 12:11 They have a true fear of God and follow Him alone, versus, following the commandments of mankind/religion. Proverbs 19:23, Isaiah 29:13 By the Holy Spirit, they’ve been prepared with the spirit of wisdom to be joined with Christ’s spirit. John 6:45 Their growth begins the establishment of Christ’s kingdom on earth; a kingdom that comes from within out. Matthew 13:31, 1 Corinthians 15:22-24 They are the peacemakers, as Christ’s spirit joined to theirs makes peace in them and around them. Matthew 5:9

Because Christ is coming within us; He is coming as a thief to many. Revelation 3:3, 16:15 But to the elect, first fruits, He isn’t a thief for they are experiencing this union within them that is changing everything. 1 Thess 5:4 They are increasing in righteousness, love, honor, kindness, thus peace and rest in these days of mounting tribulation for others. 2 Thess 1:7-8, Proverbs 15:24 But as the elect continue to grow, the spirit of Christ in the earth will be undeniable. In the coming days, it will be made known who is filled with Christ and who isn’t as His spirit will show itself mighty in the souls joining to Him. 1 Corinthians 4:5,Matthew 7:22, Matthew 25:32-33

Christ died and resurrected to bring a fallen mankind back to God because of His love for us. To understand the purpose of His life is to understand the mystery of the gospel of eternal life. Romans 16:25 This is why if you are looking on the outside for Christ’s return at this time, you are looking in the wrong place.

Author: Rachel

My passion is cultivating a deep relationship with God and helping others to do the same. I LOVE sharing with others insights that God has taught me and hearing what God has taught them... thus my blog, Stirring the Deep. My focus is on a relationship, not a religion. Life is in the relationship. I believe in a balance and unity of body, mind and spirit. I feel it's important to nurture all three for they all affect each other. I try to live in the present, where the Holy Spirit is. And I try to do all with the motive of love. I've come to believe life is a journey and not a destination. It isn't about perfection, is it about growth.

32 thoughts on “Why Christ Died?

  1. Thank you for his encouraging post. I am new to your postings and have been drawn to Christ in greater measures through the truth you have shared! Thank you for loving Jesus and sharing about Him.

    • Hi Racheal – now you’ve encouraged me 🙂 There is nothing greater and more powerful than knowing God in truth and spirit. May your relationship with Him abound in love.

  2. Wow, Rachel, tx wonderful!
    Today I just received an email of one who is still battling with the law and fighting sin, fears of false beliefs, fears of false doctrines, fears of false prophets… and fears of the devil of course, battling all this but quite in her own strength.
    While reading her stuff I got “reigning in life” but didn’t know where that was.

    You wrote: *As long as any reign is external people will stray, the reign has to be on the inside, this is what God did through Christ” and you also gave the reference Ro 5:17 how much more we will reign in life through Christ. This is exactly part of the answer I needed for her, she doesnt have to fight a battle that Christ won for her and she can now reign in life through Christ indwelling Presence and Spirit.

    As for me, it’s really amazing how the Holy Spirit has led me through the net, just in time when I needed it, as I just “happened” to fall on Stirringthedeep. This proves me I’m led of the Spirit, ha! I am just so thankful for teaching like yours. In fact, you’ve been taught to bring us to Him and not to “your teachings” praise God.
    I have studied a little the road you took out of the church system and the way you’re stressing intimacy with the Father first of all, the source of ALL things for our spirits, souls and bodies… as I write I can just feel the HS stirring deep, deep inside of me, wow, praise God. This is just IT, it is also what Paul is stressing so much in the 1st chapter to Ephesians, so good.

    I’ve been part of a cultish movement for almost 20 years, “backslid” and 2 years ago, got so fed up with my self, my sins, my own ways that I just knelt and said: “this is it, I won’t go like that another day. Lord, take over, I’m yours”. It’s amazing how just a few minutes making a simple commitment can change EVERYTHING, MY WHOLE LIFE in fact and it’s like I’m born again AGAIN and I’ve never been so in love with God. It all fits so well with your revelations of God. I used to wonder at that scripture “the kingdom of God is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost”. How often I’ve wondered how someone could possibly live that fully down here. Now I know the Spirit of God makes it possible and easy also by the way cause nothing in the kingdom can be achieved, only received.

    All this to say that I’m really thankful to God for your sharing so regularly. And what you are stressing is just so, so right as well as so accessible for all of us. Well it says somewhere in Proverbs that the one who HEARS will speak non-stop, just to confirm your faithful pouring out on us. God loves us.
    Also something I was reminded as I thought of your choices and ministry: Jesus didn’t have a church, He was on the road most of the time going everywhere doing good. What He had, and He stressed it a lot, the only thing He had really, was intimacy with the Father, the vertical relationship who taught Him all He said and did.
    May this continue to be your SOURCE and your ALL! As well as for all the sons and daughters reading this!
    Blessings to you,
    Whole heartedly,
    Claude
    somewhere in Switzerland but on a “cloud” for sure, HALLELUJAH!

    • Hi Claude, thanks for sharing your journey .. it’s an encouragement to me and I know to others. So many man-made images of God has distorted the way we see and know Him, thus relate to Him. But for those who come to Him truly wanting to be taught by Him; He shows you the most incredible truths and love. You are learning a lot and I pray for that wisdom to continue to pour into you as you diligently seek God.

      Rachel

      • Thanks! He said “that your joy may be full” to walk in His JOY, wow, glory. It’s just there and I can’t stop bragging!
        Something I read this morning: “I prayed once that nothing would be greater than my awareness of Him; He took that seriously!”

  3. Hi Rachel, E.W. here, I have enjoyed the study of recent subjects. Something the Lord shown me in the past that I feel mite help with the study; as you know the apostels wrote near to the same, however, a little bit different and I believe it is by purpose of the Lord. In Matth13 Jesus said,”I will open My mouth in parables, I will utter what has been hidden since the foundation of the world” —with this statement in mind, do a deep meditation on the 14th chapter of Matthew: it is a parable of happening from Jesus’ first comeing on earth, all that He did, His disapearing from us/His resurrection to the Father, our toils&fears, Him coming to us in Spirit/”they were terrified, saying, It is a ghost”, His Spirit entering into the boat of life with us, then we all reach the shore of eternity with the Lord.

    • I like this! Yes and it says that as He got into the boat, IMMEDIATLY they landed on the other side. He had told them previously also LET’S GO TO THE OTHER SIDE.
      Yes, let’s go to the other side!

    • Hi EW .. thanks for sharing your insights on this passage. The parables that Christ spoke are all so relevant for entering and being a part of His kingdom; which is now starting to be established. They hold a lot of depth.

  4. EW….you say to Rachel, “as you know the apostles wrote near to the same, however, a little bit different “…..

    (what does that mean,..bit like ohh this anti je’sus thats coming is near the same, however a little bit different),..do you see the problem?,..with near the same and different,..one might be Truth and one might be a lie,..one might be death and one might be life,..a slight difference

    and Claude says to you,…. “it says that as He got into the boat, IMMEDIATELY they landed on the other side. He had told them previously also LET’S GO TO THE OTHER SIDE.

    Claude,..in my Bible and all the ones ive checked in,..dosent say what you have said its says!!!,..what Bible did you get that exact quote from?,..its near to the same but a little bit different!

    I say to all 3 of you,..what Rachel has posted is near …but …a big bit different to WHAT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN in Scripture,..and surely,..that should be in the interest of all four of us,..what Scripture actually says,..and if its being wrongly interrupted.

    Rachel can you explain to me clearly what The Holy Spirit is and The Spirit of Christ is?

    My Father God Almighty in Heaven is in Total Absolute Control of The Holy Spirit,..His Holy Son, Our teacher and Saviour and Redeemer , and Future King of This worldly Kingdom, is At One With His Father and his God, because of The One, Holy Spirit, that makes them ONE..

    When Immanuel, Messiah King of Israel was on earth,..it was The Holy Spirit in Him,..descended in human like form, like a dove into Him,..totally allowing Him to do what He done and achieved on earth,..to keep it short,..He Done His Father in Heaven Will,…exactly what we pray for ..’thy will be done on earth’,..as,..it is in Heaven!….it will be The Holy Spirit that will make us all One, in The future When Immanuel,..Returns in All His Glory,..to be King of His Fathers earthly Kingdom,.REV 1 v 7,..Hes not coming as no thief

    in every passage of Scripture describing Him Coming as a ‘Thief’,..is talking to those who will NOT wake up,..to those who will NOT seek Him in these days leading to the 7 year end times,..will not discern the signs,war, and every thing else Written in Scripture that tells us,..almost to the day what will happen,until and leading right up until the very DAY of The Lord,..and His Return,..the ohhh, He’s coming like a thief is a man made church teaching,..any fully asleep christian i talk too comes of with this nonsense,..its an excuse not to face up to the Truth.

    and its not that i want to cause any strife between us all that are trying to find Truth,..and i apologize if i come across that way…but and i make no apology for keeping to Scripture and the Written Truth!

    Brian

    • Ok, Brian! Yes you’re right, it’s a little vague, I should have digged a little deeper to confirm what I got. So here we go:
      I had heard a teaching of Bill Johnson on the subject and it really stuck with me, really spoke to my spirit, how Jesus calls us to “go to the otherside” and set our affections on things above, and as He enters “our boat” there is some kind of translation that takes place and transports us “effortlessly” into the realms of the Kingdom, sooo good. His Presence takes us places, truly!
      The verses Bill used are taken from Mark 6:45 et John 6:21 relating the same event when Jesus sent the disciples by boat to the other side and then later goes to them walking on the water, enters the boat and “immediatly the boat was at the land where they were going” NKJV
      Hope this does the subject justice! Love you bro!
      Claude

    • Hi Brian, You asked about what The Holy Spirit is and The Spirit of Christ is?

      The Holy Spirit, Spirit of Christ and The Father are all one spirit … yet they express difference ways God spirit interacts with us and different purposes of God’s spirit.

      After Jesus Christ walked physically on the earth 2000 years ago, the Holy Spirit, the aspect of God who comes to teach & prepare us to be His temple, was given to us to commune with and learn from. John 15:26, 16:7 The Holy Spirit is the aspect of God who taught us and prepared us, well those who embraced this amazing Spirit.

      Yet obviously people haven’t been filled with God because they still have sin/death. We have to be truly purified before we can be the temple of God in His fullness for He is holy. We can’t be pretend holy … we have to be truly holy. This would only happen in the end days as eternal life is made manifest as sin/death is destroyed. 1 Corin 15:22-26 As this world has been a slave to sin, so it will be a slave to righteousness. This transition has begun … this transition is the glory of Christ for it is why He came. In the end days, these days, Christ’s spirit is coming to be united to His prepared temple, true seekers of God. He is taking them totally out of the kingdom of darkness by filling them with His light/truth. His fire burns all that is not of it as He fills us. All will be seasoned with fire, God, just some are ready and receive it in blessing and peace and others who are clueless suffer angst and hardship. In this coming together, we are literally made righteous, thus without sin and eternal creations. Joel 2:28. As He comes He purges all and the final remnants of darkness/sin in our lives. This process has begun with the first fruits, those prepared and aware to receive the spiritual union with Christ’s spirit.

      • Rachel thanks for your reply,..its not that i dont disagree with you,with what your saying..probably more that i dont agree with the way it comes across,..if you understand what i mean.

        as far as im concerned The Mighty Awesome Holy Spirit is what is all around us, and is what waters the mustard seed inside us,..and of course threshes our little hearts and souls of those who wish to seek The Father God Almighty,..through His Only Son, The Christ,King of Heaven,taken at His Ascension,and in Scripture is not leaving until near the end of days at The Fathers appointed time,7 years after the start of the end that will end in the King of Heaven being SENT back down with His Heavenly Army,..with every eye to see,..to take His Long awaited place here as King of His Fathers early Kingdom,that will not be fully established until,..Satan is let out of the pit,..says 1000 years,..i dont really care if it is or not,..my King will be here

        The Holy Spirit has always been here,yes in its mesmerising different aspects,and i think we can fully agree,..the path we thread out of mainstream churches,.is only through Our Teacher and The Holy Spirit.

        if we discern the final 7 years prior to His visible Return,..you will see The Lamb/Our Teacher playing a very important roll in Heaven over that period,..He’s in Heaven all of Tribulation,..its well documented in Scripture,im sure youve read it,but especially Revelation..Him /His Spirit is There…Holy spirit on earth,..BUT,..if we discern Scripture very closely,..it suggests It wont be found anywhere,..for the first 42 months Tribulation…but suggests its here for the last,…and we will witness (well if we’re alive) a Powerful return to God Almighty in that last 42 months before, Our Kings Return.

        i understand what your saying about as if He returning ‘like a thief’,..but as im sure by my posts you’ll see i dont agree because Scripture is pointing this will only be the case to those not awake,..i know and see you seem to put it across in your post in two ways as if talking to two different sets of people,..where id say to you there is only One Truth for everyone,..and any variation is just the same as the itchy eared teaching of the mainstream churches,..and that is always a danger of leading someone astray,..nothing has actually changed from the day He ascended from the mount of olives,..The Gospel is still the same,..how to turn to God Almighty is still the same,..the time frame set for His Return and what must happen before that is still the same.

        Rachel,..i dont wish to cause offense or cause dissension on your page,..i really enjoy your blogs,..i just like scrutinising Scripture,so that Truth shines through no matter what our own thoughts.

        certainly lots of us are awaking like never before, and learning Truth in the Wonderful way i can see you have and i very humbly say,myself, and it can only be from Our Teacher and Holy Spirit as One.

        maybe you could consider a blog on the Tribulation and Very end times,..to see what Truth we can uncover.

        Brian

  5. Claude,
    every line of Scripture has different levels,The Old Testament,in its Wonderful Beautiful way its Written,and can only be understood when studied with Our Dear Teacher in our spirit through The Wonderful Holy Spirit and that wonderful peaceful feeling it brings to our souls in these times….
    As for The Gospels, Written on so many levels and meanings entwined with pure Prophecy and hidden map of the immediate days,times,events,.. years ahead

    the great Story in Matthew 14,.. Mark 6 and John 6

    hmmm,..has alot more to it than meets the eye,…i wouldnt like to say what is the best thing we could take from it,.theres so much,..but maybe we are all Peters,and need to make that leap of faith,…and He will rescue us from going down to the deep.

    anyways all the accounts together are painting a far bigger picture,.with blind faith,..lack of it,..hardened hearts,of His students….a time frame,…an a very important message in the three/three and a half miles distance!!!…a Separation,.a lack of understanding,…a Return…and yet again if we read on to the next day, a Return to people with a stronger faith!

    not to mention the feeding of 5000 men and thats not counting children or women!…and the 12 baskets of left over ‘bread’ crusts and crumbs,..stemmed from the ‘Bread’ of life

    no, dear brother,with love too,….12 baskets?? then!,..theres alot of crumbs still to be gathered from that Story today!

    • Yes brother, very enlightening. Indeed most of us only scratch the surface for now – if I understood your comments well. Deep deep things of the Word of God. 1Co 2:10 “God has revealed them to us by His Spirit” helps us to realize how the Father is so willing and “anxious” to pour it on.
      You mention “studied with Our Dear Teacher in our spirit” about Old Covenant scriptures. Yes, I had just read that the whole of the written Word has to be seen through the lens, or the “filter” of the finished work of Christ on the cross, can only be understood through GRACE and the Goodness of God through “IT IS FINISHED”.
      Righteousness, Peace and Joy to you!
      Claude

  6. Amen Sister Thank You For your Teaching, it is Much needed And Appreciated. God Bless You !

  7. Why Christ had to die, excellent write up on why Christ had to die at the link
    http://www.arielm.org/dcs/pdf/mbs014m.pdf

  8. Hi Listeners, E.W. here! —Brian have you read where God said if I were to write My law by the ten thousand, he/the world, would think it a strange thing? God only gave us ten laws and Jesus broke it down to two. For me, Jesus was saying if we love God above our own life & all of God’s created people on an equal basic to ourself, then the Holy Spirit will reveal to our conscience the true ways of the Almighty Father, to which makes us sons & daughters of the Almighty. —To memorize the scripture, would be a poor god: have you not read of the scribe’s false pen?

  9. Hi listeners, E.W. here! —I must speak out on one of the greatess-hand-me-down-delusions that is still passed on today(the 7 years)! One must go to the Lord in deep-humble-request inorder to know truth. This delusion comes from generations of sribe false pen &mouth, which is taken from Daniel 9. First, one must back up to where Daniel layed out the format to his understanding. God has always layed out His teachings in constant repeated cycles(the same today as the week of creation &will be the same on the last day of this known world). From the book of truth, Daniel knew the first 70yr. exile was all in one unit of time(even though false prophets had also tried to change God’s word). Therefore, the 70-weeks-of-years-prophecy was coming in a one unit of time. “after the sixty-two-weeks,an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing” can this be anyone other than John the baptizer? “and the people of the prince, WHO IS TO COME, shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” Who is the destroyer? Which says the war in heaven had not yet taken place! THE BIG QUESTION,who is the “he” in —“he shall make a STRONG COVENANT with many for ONE WEEK”? the destroyer/desolater does not make covenant, only deception, but this is to be a strong covenant! —“for HALF of the WEEK “he” shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease” so when exactly did this take place? — Wasn’t the whole subject in, God giving the Jews a time line in which His pateince for them would runout? —At the end of the second half of the week/3&1/2yrs. after Jesus’ death, Stephan recited the Lord from beginning to that date: the Jews gave their answer to God by killing Stephan & pledging his blood to be on theirs & their children’s heads! “Seventy-weeks-of-years are decreeded concerning your people/Jews and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet and to anoint a most holy place.” —Should we/gentiles hate Jews for giving us oppurtunity to reconcile with the Lord? —“and upon the wings/(carried by people) of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator” the son of perdition would never have been able to rise, had we gentiles stayed with the word of God!—one final thought that I urge meditation: Stephan’s blood was on the heads of Jew offspring until Jews had infiltrated enough of the world population to breedout what would be called a pure Jew; (as was Ruth &Tamar in Jesus’ blood-line): is the Holy Spirit now teaching you about the 144,000?

  10. E.W.
    i agree totally that everything hangs on the 2 Laws,..and we should apply them to our heart.

    i totally agree, the scribes,be they hebrew,roman or greek,..they have changed some Scriptures,..and the satanic/hermetic method all main christian churches roman catholic and roman protestant,teach their flocks,…

    they,easily take the place of the pharisees and the sadducees,.with their pomp and circumstance outward show and no love of truth in them.

    and you will be well aware of the warning given to adding and taking away from Scripture,

    other than that,..are we not to diligently seek and search for Truth?

    is these blogs not about stirring deep down into Scripture?,

    and call me dull if you like,..but what exactly is your point?

  11. Hey Brian, the scripture is no doubt where we begin and hold close to. However, think of God’s statements of, “has been hidden since the foundation of the world.” – “In the latter days you will understand it clearly”, – “Seal it up amongst the disciples”,- “The Holy counselor will teach you all things.” —From lack of ability to explain what the Lord has shown me, I will just say, the scripture is a picture within a picture. You would agree that the Lord is too awsome for man to decern. Therefore the Lord has to explain Himself, in the same way as did Jesus explain His parables to His disciples. That can only happen where our faith & conscience agree. However, my feeling is that God was not going to give His living water to a man such as I was, until a few years back. Since I told the Lord that all I had seen & heard about an almighty god was nothing but head rattling and that if He were a true God, He would have ability to show me truth. Then I saw, in scripture, that God does not reveal all His truth to any,but, those who believe every word out of His mouth. —I know this does not explain where I am, but maybe the Lord will allow it to show where I am coming from. E.W.

  12. EW,..i fully understand where your coming from,..and all of us should because we should all be coming from the same sort of place with the same sort of awakening ….and totally agree Scripture is a picture within a picture if not even another picture,..with past events painting the picture of our immediate future,..sometimes to us a a nation,..or just to each of us individually,..its Truly Amazing and a wonderful experience to live in times when Scripture is coming alive,..and those days spoke in Prophecy of what will start happening at the end of days,..with world events,..and humble truth loving sinners starting to understand some of the things hidden in Scripture,..and things distorted by the evil one and his,..and the mainstream churches being teachers of a false gospel,leading so many astray.
    and to add, its,.. Revelation of this end time Truth, that will come line upon line a little here and a little there….and all of us are learning different things at different times,..although all of us should be able to study and compare Scripture and help each other,..and except correction from each other,..if given,..and i mean as you say we have to believe in every word that came out of Our One and Only Teachers mouth,…and not be close and similar.
    The Parables were spoke again with a multitude of hidden manna for those of the end times that find that narrow path!,..as indeed aswell is what the Apostles went through for the sheep of the end time fold!

    if we apply every word that came out of Our Saviors Mouth,.He gave us a WARNING to Watch…and gave us so so much information about the times,events and seasons leading to His awesome return to this earth in all His, Father Given, Heavenly Glory as King of Heaven and King of Earth,a Kingdom of Heaven

    this, return, like a thief, from my discerning, applys only to those who are still ‘asleep’ to the delusion of this world,..with every passage that talks of the ‘like a thief’ doctrine has a wont/will not/awake/or a WATCH,..so that it dosent…and also to be exact,..to 2 Thess 2,..it says THE DAY come upon you as a thief,…and again, Scripture if your studying with the Teacher,..gives us so much warning to those that seek Truth with our hearts …rather than own understanding.

    and i know me or your can make mistakes and disagree,..but to put that straight i say let the Written Word prove itself True,..and if we have strayed from sound doctrine a little retrace our steps and see where its went wrong

  13. Hey Brian, E.W. here! I perceive that you & I must be on the same path to the Lord. If I understand you, you are saying a thief cannot catch one by surprise, if one is watching for him; I agree, because this is what the Lord indicates. However, there are those asleep in the Lord: REV6:9 —WHEN THE HOLICOST WAS REVEALED to the world, was the opening of the FIFTH SEAL. “I saw under the alter the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne; they cried out with a loud voice, O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth? Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a LITTLE LONGER, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.”

    • Hey E.W. and Brian, Claude here! I perceive you are on a path TO the Lord. What about being In Him and He in you, He prayed (John 17) you’d have His GLORY. Was it a nice prayer or do we really have it and if so how is it seen? 1Cr 6:17 NKJV – But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit [with Him]. If you’re one spirit with God Almighty what do you lack? You’ve been perfected in Him. Heir of God, co-Heir with Christ, everything God has and is, you got it. We live from God, not toward Him. I’m learning all these New Testament mindsets and it does blow my mind to smithereens.

      Knowledge shall cease but we are KNOWN of God and the greatest of these is LOVE.

      HOLICOST? You mean Holy cost? – it did cost the poor jewish people a lot. Or do you mean HOLOCAUST? And for that I would suggest a great OOOPS, cause these were not slain for the Word of God.

      By the way, COMMUNISM invented by zionit antichrists, sponsored by Wall Street Rockfellers, has slain 60+ million Christians in the XXth century. If Christians are the Body of Christ, Christ on Earth, how come it is kind of ignored in these godly statistics and interpretation of Bible prophecy? I mean, 60+ million is not light persecution, it represents 600’000 a year, 2000+ SLAINED per work day, without counting the Shabbath and the Sunday.
      By the way, another biggie is coming and it’s called NEW WORLD ORDER. The wonderful thing about it: Dan 11:32b NKJV – ” but the people who KNOW their God shall be strong, and carry out [great exploits].
      HALLELUJAH!

      • Claude,
        we have to be very careful about understanding the Holy Spirit,.His Glory…and being filled with The Holy Spirit.

        our lil mustard seed breaking open in these times is being watered feed and lead by The Holy Spirit of Truth, NOT FILLED with it …and ..certainly NOT some secret Return of The King of kings,..if you can see the difference.

        if we study Scripture,..The Saviour was filled with the Holy Spirit,…and was able to preform the Wondrous works that He done, like ,raise the dead,..heal the sick and lame and blind,..and although the Disciples where given ‘power’ to do certain things,..Scripturally not until Pentecost where they Filled with the Holy Spirit (and even then they did not fully understand everything)..but Paul revealed that he understood that NOT until The Physical Return in His Glorified Body,..with holes still in His Hands,..will no one will receive that ‘Glory’ and be called a ‘son’,..

        anyone claiming to be filled with the Holy Spirit will be able to do the feats done by The Messiah, and The Apostles,..as yet from those Biblical times,..no one has been able to do those things Written in Scripture.

        the anti je’sus christ will no doubt pull off fake miracles when he appears,..but as the Holy Spirit wont be around it will be easy to fool those still in darkness!

  14. EW..regarding a ‘thief’…well let Scripture speak for itself

    Matt 24
    43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

    Matt 24 v 43,..to me is warning me/to be on my guard,..against a thief thats coming,..

    What you you think or discern from it??

    1 Thessalonians 5:2
    For yourselves know perfectly that the DAY of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

    1 Thessalonians 5:4
    But ye, brethren, are NOT in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

    EW,..1Thess 5 v 2 says the DAY ,..wiill come like a thief…v 4 is saying you are not in the dark,..so it WONT come on you as a thief
    again What is it saying to you

    2 Peter 3:10
    But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

    (2 peter 3,..and you shpould know that The Lord Himself gave great details of events/to know the season,leading up to the DAY)..do you agree

    Revelation 3:3
    Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you DO NOT WAKE UP, I WILL come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.
    STAYS AWAKE

    EW,..again Rev 3 v 3,..is fairly simple to discern,..anyone that dosent grasp it,..needs to wake up

    Revelation 16:15
    “Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

    EW,..again,..if you discern Rev 16,.if your walking in the Spirit with your spirit your clothed.

    what im noticing more and more is people cant see how close we are fast approaching the end times,..and even less seem to grasp what is going to happen,…
    which would lead me on discerning the endtimes,..and my understanding would be different from yours,..the 1st Seal will be the arrival of the false je’sus,..the one that will cause the delusion,..the lying wonders..that will deceive the whole world….Seal 5 is the picture Scripture you mentioned only more like the mirror image of the suffering of the Prophets and maybe referring more to the Disciples and Apostles.

    as all good truth seekers we need to be studying the meaning of Words and have a Strongs Concordance to understand Biblical terms,..in Hebrew or in the Greek,..

    Holocaust..just means Sacrifice,…hard to believe so many humans where sacrificed like animals or goyim/ cattle,..but a lil study and understanding to anicent cattle sarafices,..of washing, slaughtering and then cooking,..you’ll see thats exactly what happened,..to bring about the times immediately ahead,,..its foolish to think that the world wars are not still effecting the times we live,..we know where the synagog of satan is,..its not hard to see how they got there!…and if you study Scripture and end time,..its not hard to see why!

    • Yeah, tx for your comments and advice.
      Though really, I don’t wanna be very careful with the Holy Spirit, I wanna be possessed… He shall baptize you with FIRE! Amen Lord, bring it on, I wanna burn. I’ve spent too many years in soulish Christianity. I mean, HE IS LOVE, what do I have to be very careful about?
      Also, I’m a hunter and I looove killing SACRED COWS! HALLELUJAH!

    • Dear brothers, I’m having a lot of fun on this forum, here we go:

      You say: “anyone claiming to be filled with the Holy Spirit will be able to do the feats done by The Messiah, and The Apostles,..as yet from those Biblical times,..no one has been able to do those things Written in Scripture.” Really?!?!? I live in Biblical times, not you? I’ve got the Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit in me, on me, with me, for me, it can’t be more Biblical than that.

      Jesus said that of men born of women ( including of course Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, etc, etc) there has never been a greater than John the Baptist; but the smallest in the Kingdom is greater than he. Talk about Biblical times as I’m one of these small guys in the Kingdom He talks about. Amazing! I feel pretty Biblical actually, LOL.

      How come then some people got healed as I commanded their back to be healed? Strange, isn’t it. Is it maybe this Jesus in me who just wants out? Jesus said “Speak to your mountain, don’t beg of God”. Don’t beg of God things He’s already done in, through, with Christ at the cross. I mean, salvation, deliverance, healing, power, authority, sonship, reconciliation, all these are a DONE deal. He gave us that authority by depositing HIMSELF inside of us.
      Most of us just don’t know or realize WHO and what came in

      Mustard seed? Yes if we have it that tiny we will speak (not beg, please oh God, please God as if we live separated from Him) to the mountain and it will obey, and NOTHING shall be impossible for us. What in NOTHING don’t we understand? A Christian life that is not supernatural is superficial.

      The only problem, like Rachel stressed in her video “Sealed by God vs. 666” is that the people perish for lack of knowledge. They don’t know who they are in Christ. Once you get to KNOW Him, one glimpse and your life explodes.

      This kind of KNOWLEDGE:
      Eph 1:17 NKJV – that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the KNOWLEDGE of Him,
      Eph 1:18 NKJV – the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may KNOW what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance IN the saints,
      Eph 1:19 NKJV – and what [is] the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power
      Eph 1:20 NKJV – which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated [Him] at His right hand in the heavenly [places],

      The Kingdom of God being not in words but in power, that is the EXPERIENTIAL KNOWLEDGE that for 20 years of soulish (head knowledge, self-consciousness, self-will, wrong mindsets, sacred cows and religious devils) Christian life I’ve completely missed.
      Only the KNOWLEDGE OF HIM will enable me to LIVE the Word, and have Him live His life through me. GLORY!

      What am I doing? Trying to convince you? From the outside to the inside? It’s not gonna work as Rachel is teaching. It has to be Holy Spirit in you who teaches you all that stuff.

      I’m learning, I’m having fun and I feel SO SECURE IN HIM, because He LOVES me, He’s crazy about me, He loves me to death. My worth for Him is His Son, or… Himself. That is what He payed to get me back to Him. I’m worth the LIFE AND BLOOD OF JESUS.
      I haven’t realized it fully yet, otherwise I wouldn’t be here arguing with you, I’d be OUT RAISING THE DEAD!

    • Hey there Threshermansson, one more thing. If this doesn’t apply to you, it might help someone else:

      I had a glimpse of your indentity… and that’s exactly what I wanted to mention to you: YOUR IDENTITY needs a little renewal of the mind to HOW THE FATHER SEES YOU:

      A lost sheep Israelite?
      As you turned to the Father, He saw you from afar. He RAN to you and held you DEAR. As you were still A GREAT WAY OFF “your father saw you and had compassion, and RAN and fell on your neck and kissed you”. Luke 15. You dragged your feet with your fears and sin consciousness but HE RAN TO YOU AND EMBRASSED YOU AND HELD YOU IN HIS ARMS FOR A LONG TIME AND CRIED.
      In there He calls you a LIVING SON, not a lost sheep. You’re a son of God, Thresherman The Father is OVERJOYED ABOUT YOU.

      You also say …a sinner?
      You just can’t see yourself that way for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me FREE from the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH. Romans 8. In Christ Jesus there is NO CONDEMNATION.
      If we still say and think we are sinners, whatever we’ve done, that is not the question, we actually sneer at the work of the cross, the FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST. We make Him a liar.
      It is that our mind is not renewed to the Word of God that tells us HOW GOD SEES US NOW THAT WE ARE HIS. He just doesn’t see the sin anymore, He only sees Jesus. It is the KNOWLEDGE OF THE LOVE AND GOODNESS OF GOD THAT LEADS US TO REPENTANCE, not sin consciousness.

      We are a spirit with a soul inside a body. Our spirit has been made alive and like Jesus by salvation, when we believe, when we receive the finished work of Christ. If we still think we’re sinners it’s that our unrenewed mind doesn’t know nor realize who we really are in God. We are not God but we are like God, heirs and co-heirs with Christ.
      Soul (mind, will, emotions) has to be renewed, now that we’re a living spirit, to what God says about us, to how He sees us now that we’ve been transformed in the image of His Son. Otherwise we will continue to think like the old man with it’s flaws, sins, weak and dead flesh.
      But as we renew our mind to His THOUGHTS ABOUT US, the glory, the joy, the peace, the realities of the Kingdom will become our new reality and IDENTITY will overpower everything else and sin truly vanishes. 1st John says that who is born of God doesn’t sin.

      For me it all happened 2 years ago when I was born again AGAIN and I have so discovered the Kingdom of God and its reality: righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost 24/7 that I lost all sin consciousness or condemnation. I mean it’s truly night and day. Now I feel so secure in Him. I’m bragging but I’m not. He just wants out and leak on everybody, rivers of living water.
      It’s really ALL ABOUT KNOWING HIM AND INTIMACY WITH THE CREATOR, THE SOURCE OF ALL THINGS, ABBA FATHER.

      I LOVE YOU MAN, BE BLESSED WITH THE SPIRIT OF REVELATION FOR YOU, YOUR LOVED ONES, YOUR BRETHREN AND THE WORLD.

      • Claude with respect if you read over your posts you are contradicting yourself,..
        and as far as Rachel is concerned, shes very capable of answering herself,..i dont always agree totally with her,..none of us have got it all,..but she does very well in trying,..and i will totally agree with her that our change starts in the inside out,..rather than your outside in.

        you give your story ,..and im glad youve come out of christianity false teaching,..im glad youve found your narrow path and made your way back,..your one of the very very few,….many others make the mistake think theyve made it,..id say we all should discern greatly the parable of the seeds…and those that dont grow,those that sprout,those that grow and stop,those that grow fast….and those that never ever stop slowly growing….

        all of us are individuals and have that individual relationship with the same Teacher and Holy Spirit,..to lead us back to The Teachers God,..and all of us can as individuals go reason with Him.
        im sure your well aware of the Bible telling us about the hand and the foot and the eye of the same body thinking they are more important than the other?…or even the right hand not knowing what God Almighty has the left hand doing?…Claude, we are not all the same,…everyone of us has a narrow path to thread,..and some path is longer than others!!!

        my identity needs changing??..
        Do you not know the Scripture thats Written that says Our Father likes us to come to Him in secret,…
        My Father,..looks upon my heart, with Holy Spirit He searches and threshes my inner man,..that is my identity,..and He and Only He through The Grace through His Son, our, Wonderful Loving Shepherd will change my identity.

        Claude do you not know what is Written about the lost sheep?
        or the story of the sheep that are really really lost and have strayed far far away,…
        the lesson,or one of the lessons to be learned is,..could you imagine being a sheep and being far far away from the Shepherd,..thinking your safe and ok,..then one day you realise,..im really really faraway,to a point of severe danger,..even the point of no return,…
        well the lesson there is to get back there is only one way,..and its a dangerous narrow track,..taking in many many trials and tests and you can only listen to The One Shepherds Voice amoung all the calamity around you of false shepherds calling?..

        im glad you are where you are on your path,…im along way from being at My Shepherd Feet,..im one of them ther sheep that has a long long very narrow path to thread,..my my identity on a web site isnt for anyone to know who i am,..maybe just maybe its for someone to remember,..who they were,..what they are..what theyll never be,..what theyd hope to be.

        no Claude,..i wont change my identity for you or know one else,..if you dont like what it says,..dont read it!..but its who i was,..its who i am,..and the last paragraph is if you what to see anything possible of my inner mans identity,..and The True Gospel,..and that wont change!

        a lost sheep Israelite,…a lil grain of wheat…..a sinner….a non ‘babylonian’…….a hopeful ‘vessel’ endtime warrior.

        I Worship The Father Most High,..through His Son,..The King of Kings, King O’Israel…..Who will Return to this World when the things that are Written are fulfilled..to Set Up His Fathers World Kingdom here on THIS His World,.Forever and ever

        So Be It

      • Claude,
        ill be very clear and i understand what is Written in Scripture,..as the Apostles understood,..they couldnt and WONT be Sons of God Almighty,until The Saviour Returns in All His Glory,..that whats Written.

        you need to read and discern what The Teacher taught,..about servants not knowing what theyre Master is doing,..and understand friends,..and discern brothers ….and then consider being a Son.

        saying that as you have had a quick and easy Sonship,..maybe you could share with us,..when you were a servant,…and the time you spent with Him as a friend,…how was it being a brother with Him?

    • Hey, Thresherman!
      Tx for your answers. Forgive me if my comments about identity were forceful and showed any disrespect. I’m learning.
      I understand what you’re saying and get your point.

      Like you say, we seldom find brethren on the narrow path and I’m one of the very few. There shouldn’t be few, that’s the reason I might get over zealous over discerning wrong mindsets about who we really are in Christ now that the Triune God has moved in.

      My point was that most of us were mostly sin-conscious before being grace-conscious and Christ conscious and learning to live in the realities of the Kingdom.

      Your last 3-paragraphs-comment will need a little time to answer as there are many things that I could share. Tx for your good questions.

      It’s not so easy with just a few lines to get to know each other as brethren and for the LOVE of God to be manifested.
      Let us be comforted by the fact that we’re all one in Him and HE KNOWS US.
      1Cr 8:3 NKJV – But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.

      Blessings to you bro!

  15. E.W. here, I agree with a lot of what you guys have to say and all of what you have to say has my atention. However, none of us are Jesus. Therefore, I suggest we contenue to study & discuss.

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