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Knowing Christ is In You

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How to Know

Christ is Within You

To abide in unity with the heavenly Father is the greatest communion you can seek for your soul; for in that union is immortality of living in the purest love.

To abide in this unity; you have to walk in the Father’s ways; for His holiness requires it. John 17:3

Christ IN you enables you to walk in the Father’s ways.

Christ is the Word of God. When Christ is in you, the truths of the Father are in you. And those truths, when followed, create true life out of your once dead life.

When the truths of the Father are in you, the result is you live according to them. If they are in you; they govern you, this is the power they hold. You embrace them because you know they are the means to your deepest desires, and all else is not. The Father’s ways are the means to the fulfillment of the purest love, peace, honor, beauty, purpose, rest and all else you deeply desire. These desires are the very nature of the Father, for He is spirit; thus the supreme desire is to be in unity with the Father.

If you look to or seek some other means to fulfill these desires, you keep yourself from experiencing the attainment of your desires, from being filled with Christ, and from experiencing a true bond with the Father. These other means are your idols; marriage, children, jobs, vocations, status, possessions, appearance, relationships, compulsions etc.

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

To know the Father, thus have unity with Him, is to know and live in the truths of His ways. When you know His ways in wisdom and understanding, you DESIRE to do them and DO them because by them you receive all you deeply desire without corruption.

1 John 2:5-6 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

You know you are in Christ and He is in you, when you look at yourself and you see His nature as your nature. We look at ourselves from within out. We look at others from outside in. When He is in you, when you look at yourself you no longer see your old self and nature, but you see His nature; His desires, wisdom, love, mercy, purity, and power. You know that though He is beyond you; He is also in you. Your life is governed by His spirit and no longer your old self. The old self has become an ash heap from the fires you walked through that burned away all that was contrary to His spirit; which is of the purest righteous love. To come to the Father, you have to walk through the fires of refinement to purify yourself unto righteousness.

This union with Christ WITHIN US has begun to take place among the elect.

I don’t know how Jesus Himself will return, what it will look like, for the images we conjecture of the physical in our minds are often off.  But Christ returns WITHIN US as a spirit; as He is now doing in the elect – that is why they are the elect. He gives us the eyes and ears to see and hear so we can turn from our lies, idols, and ALL that is contrary to Him so we can abide in His truth; thus eternal life. His spirit in us is the power we need to live from our thoughts outward in truth and in love.

Author: Rachel

My passion is cultivating a deep relationship with God and helping others to do the same. I LOVE sharing with others insights that God has taught me and hearing what God has taught them... thus my blog, Stirring the Deep. My focus is on a relationship, not a religion. Life is in the relationship. I believe in a balance and unity of body, mind and spirit. I feel it's important to nurture all three for they all affect each other. I try to live in the present, where the Holy Spirit is. And I try to do all with the motive of love. I've come to believe life is a journey and not a destination. It isn't about perfection, is it about growth.

37 thoughts on “Knowing Christ is In You

  1. Rachel,
    i ponder greatly the differences we have,.though i could say actually theres very few,very few…certainly i’ll agree that everything described in Scripture is not always literal or the way we perceive it or it will take place,..

    you often mention the false image of God Almighty The Father conjured up by religions,..when if you discern Scripture,..God Our Father, is A Father of unmeasurable Love,..and with a little study of Scripture, Love, perfect Love is total fulfillment of His Law,…displayed, beyond perfectly by His Son,..whom we must try to mimic, copy, aspire to follow in every way,..and study and listen to His every word and action.

    but we also have to be careful not to create a false image of The Son.

    and ive said,..not to take away from His Glory.

    my faith is based on the Scriptures, The Son existed long long before He was sent to earth, born of a woman,learned obedience to death, died, and was fully brought back to life by His Father, Seen by 500 witnesses,..and with angel confirming His Return at His Departure,..

    Scripture is full of references to Him,..making Him Separate from the Father,..in actually 250 difference titles for Him on Scripture to The Fathers’ Few!

    but i think i might be coming to understand why we have a different perpective….

    as far as i understand,..you differ from mine or me from yours

    mine..Father, Son, Holy Spirit

    yours.. Father,Holy Spirit (Son Spirits included),..please dont be offended, correct me if im wrong.

    my question is this?

    is The Son a light to you?…..or is He The Glory to you and i who worship and walk in spirit?

    • Hi Brian, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit … the Son and Holy Spirit are part of the Father, yet separate in the purpose they serve.

      I think one of the main differences between our train of thoughts is I believe Christ is returning in us. Making us one with Him is His glory for it is the reason He entered death to give His Spirit to grow in and become a part of us. This is how we are made righteousness. This is how we are able to put on immortality and be changed because if there is no sin in you .. there is no death, then you are life eternal. He is our salvation because He unites His spirit to us in us. Until now people had the hope of salvation .. now that salvation is starting to be fulfilled. There are many verses about Christ in us .. we the body, He our righteousness. What I’ve been talking a lot about lately is the details of how He becomes our righteousness and becomes united to our spirit. The Holy Spirit teaches us & prepares us to be united to Him. The Holy Spirit lays the wiring .. Christ is the power.

      Jesus the Man, the created part that held His spirit, .. how He will return the Father hasn’t fully taught me. I more learning about what is happening right now or just around the corner.

      But as in the first coming .. He was king but didn’t look like the king they expected, thus they missed him when he was right in front of them. I think many have a “king image” of how he will return, ex: the man floating down from the sky, but it’s a wrong image thus they miss when He does come ..

      Further .. if you are waiting on the external you probably aren’t looking internally as He stands at the door of your soul knocking to come in, which He does by your spirit being knit to His spirit through obedience (in His power). This is how He comes initially .. as the elect are the first fruits. Fruits of His spirit because He is now united to their spirit. This is the morning star rising in our hearts. It comes in the elect first .. so they can serve to “light” the others by the words of their mouth.

      Acts 1:11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

      We won’t find Him if we are gazing into the sky … He is coming as He left, from the earth up .. from the dust, us, up to eternal life. As He comes in us; earth and heaven start to be united. The sky will recede as a scroll to become united to the earth. And this will continue until He fills all in all. Rev 6:14 Thus a new heavens and a new earth as all is filled with life.

  2. Yes, Rachel. All that you clarify and distill from the Word leads us to an understanding of how to be or become a child of God, destined to triumph over the Second Death. It is so simple, yet elusive; and that is, to merely make yourself aware of the invisible presence of God our Saviour, whom we call “Jesus” (meaning, “God is Saviour”). Simple awareness of His presence. He has said, “I search the reins (your thoughts) and your heart,” so, God is within us and all around us, yet there are misleading spirits whom our first ancestors gave permission also to enter into our souls, and it is these sabotaging spirits which “blind” our awareness of God’s presence. Yet, think about it: throughout our lives, throughout each of many thousands of night’s sleeps, someOne keeps your heart beating 30,000 times while your mind is oblivious to those eight hours of unconsciousness. Who is He who is abiding in you, never missing a heartbeat, so that you might remain alive, and not die? It is the One who is ever faithful to you, even though I have forgotten Him for years, and I have blasphemed him for years, and I have been demonically unaware of His reality for years. Despite all of my offenses, He has remained faithful to me. And so, this Christmas Day, I thank God our Saviour, and I thank Rachel, for bringing this marvelous realization to my mind once again. And thus, my heart is now sensitive to His Loving presence, and I can once again bring my distracted mind back to conscious, meditative awareness of life’s Saviour and just allow my awareness of His presence to pollinate my mind with supernaturally guiding thoughts and motivations, surrendering my humanly confused spirit, as I trustfully allow God to take hold of the steering wheel. John

    • John, the Father’s faithfulness is an amazing aspect of His character, as are all aspects. When you recognize it in your life it causes praise to flow from your soul. Becoming aware and awaken to His love … is the gift that has no end. How blessed people are when they have come to this desire … and now their gift to give that love that they received to others who have yet to realize His nearness to them.

      • Rachel,

        Each hour I struggle to remain aware of God the Saviour “knocking on the door of my heart and mind,” and you probably struggle, also. It seems that I forget His presence much more often than I am conscious of it. And such forgetfulness is frustrating, but I know that unclean spirits are militating to pull my thoughts away from “walking in the Spirit.” Therefore, imagine how most other people are continually unaware of God, and many of those, who believe, seldom feel the urge to feel His presence. “Prayer” is a hollow word to most people, and it has been misdefined as “talking to God,” and not as “listening for God,” as it should be interpreted. My mental lapses in God-awareness make me painfully aware that only God’s Spirit in me can overthrow the unclean spirits (so often mentioned by God the Saviour in the Four Gospels) who blind people around you and me. And so, I feel a great sense of responsibility to God to keep His Spirit lamp shining brightly in me, as I hope to be one of the five wise virgins of MATTHEW 25 who buys oil of Spirit from God who sells the oil to us as the fruit of our communion with Him.

  3. Thank you so much for sharing this Rachel it is right on time with what the Lord has shown me and explained to me in two dreams I had last night. And also everything he has been building up in me lately. It is far too much to share over a comment though lol.

    However, I was wondering (just curious) because what he has been showing me and doing in me has been coinciding with things it seems he’s been sharing with you and other believers I know especially in regards to the elect.
    Is he having you make some changes or prepare more for His return or has he? He is in me and I am excited to unlearn my natural mind and making the choice to only know Jesus Christ crucified (1 Corinthians 2).

    But thank you again! Praying for you!! ❤

    • Hi Brittney – as Christ returns in us .. the changes or preparation as I’ve experienced is letting go of all that isn’t of Him. As He moves in and is united to us; all that isn’t is moved out which can change many things in our lives. (all acts, thoughts not in righteousness, love, etc are moved out of your life) And as He moves in the love, peace, joy, power, purity, understanding, wisdom increases in you and changes the outward space around you so you abide in external increasing peace and life. His ways produce life. The change is coming in unity with His spirit of truth and love.

  4. Hi Rachel, EW here. Your post are a great help, in that one may know the good feelings from receiving truth from God is love from God! The more understanding of these feelings brings me closer to the Lord in a relationship.—The Lord has taught me about deception for as long as memory. At the door of the pit, I begged to know truth. From His granting & teaching, I have overcome most hate & rage. His truth is what gives me peace. Such as the old SouthAmerican calander; I could not make people see that the Lord said no man knows when the Father will say it is the end. Even though the scripture plainly states the Jew will be punished first then the gentile, the earth will be in great draught & famine, except Isreal will be a garden of eden, but the Lord will put a hook in the mouth and draw the beast of the sea & the beast from the ground to the gate of Samairia(Mark: one standing where he ought not be/abomination that makes desolation). This will happen by God calling His army from the desert of Eygpt to destroy from the brook of Eygpt to Hamath. As the son of perdition sets up his palital tents & his followers(form of godlyness but deny the power there of) will think they are doing service to God. Jesus told Daniel, after 6yrs. & 30days the santuary would be turned back to the rightful. Even so, their weapons will be for 7yrs, as fuel for the fires in Isreal. All of God’s truths will be fulfilled before the end of earth comes. Know the truth and it will set you free—from deception!

    • Hi EW … “The truth will set you free” .. that truth is indeed powerful. When we trust the true heavenly Father to teach and lead us … we can trust Him to be faithful in leading us .. and purging all lies and deception from our lives and helping us to see. Our disobedience imprisons us… obedience by Christ’s strength to Father’s wisdom frees us as we follow the Father who loves us out of the pit of lies. There are times and seasons for the events to unfold .. but I feel most importantly people need to tune into what is happening in their soul .. for ultimately that is what the end is all about.

  5. John 1:49
    Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

    Jesus the Man, the created part that held His spirit, .. how He will return the Father hasn’t fully taught me. I more learning about what is happening right now or just around the corner.

    Rachel,..fair enough,so then,where do you think this Jesus the Man is?

    But as in the first coming .. He was king but didn’t look like the king they expected, thus they missed him when he was right in front of them. I think many have a “king image” of how he will return, ex: the man floating down from the sky, but it’s a wrong image thus they miss when He does come ..

    SORRY,….they?

    are you reading the same Gospels as me?

    Matthew 2:2
    Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

    Matthew 21:5
    Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass

    Nathaniel knew,the wise men knew,…just the mockers and the spiritually blind didnt know, Pilate knew,..and so did the soldier mockers

    Acts 1:11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

    We won’t find Him if we are gazing into the sky … He is coming as He left, from the earth up .. from the dust, us, up to eternal life.

    Rachel,..are you serious?..are you saying this is untrue/denying Scripture??….”This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven”.

    Rachel,

    yes Rachel i would suggest you go to The Father,..and ask about His Anointed One

    HERES A GOOD START OF PURE SCRIPTURE,..that you know nothing about,..overlook ….and carry on regardless,..so with respect that i dont want to see you go down a wrong path,without giving you clear warning

    Matthew 25

    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the
    foundation of the world:

    (verse 34,..can you see the distinction between King, and Father, …and the blessed)

    and discern this greatly,

    Revelation 17:14
    These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

    yes read it,discern it,..the Lamb is The Son of God, The Lamb is KING

    not my words Rachel,..The Fathers WORDS

    ,..

    • Brian, In many of your postings here and on YouTube you are trying to convince me that what I have learned and thus experienced in my life is wrong .. it’s impossible .. I’m experiencing it.

      God has been teaching me over 11 years in hours of quiet time with Him each day … and that truth has been building and fitting together layer upon layer because He is doing it .. not me. The whole process still amazes me. Every truth is woven in with every other truth; and that truth is woven into my life. It is truly incredible. I let Him teach me what, when and how. This is what it means to know someone intimately. And His truth has and is transforming my life in miraculous ways because truth is truth. There is much to learn about the workings of God as He is infinite .. but once you see His handiwork in your life and your life intertwined with the Bible, it is a powerful testimony to you. I know my Father’s voice and I trust it fully. I fully trust Him to lead me and guide me because He always has in the past. His faithfulness is without end and I abide in that faithfulness.

      So for you to tell me I don’t know my Father or what He is telling me .. it is like a child showing me my family by a stick-figure drawing and saying this is who they are when I know my family because I am a part of the family. God the heavenly Father is My Father .. I’ve experienced Him as a very real Father in my life.

      We share what we are learning and experiencing, but to dismiss and constantly criticize someone’s journey who is diligently seeking truth and seeing the extensive fruit from it is unproductive. Share your experience of the Father in your life .. then let it be. Share then let the Holy Spirit knit the truth in that soul – because only He truly can anyway; it’s the nature of true beliefs established in truth.

      If we disagree, we disagree. Your view will not alter mine of what He has shown me. If you disagree then share what you’ve learned, but don’t personally condemn mine .. see the difference? Otherwise, you are dishonoring the Father’s words to me and my relationship. Thus, you are only harming yourself; if you honor others instead you will experience the fruit of that in your life.

      As for not commenting; when I see that my words aren’t being heard, I don’t continue the same dialogue. And if I don’t sense honor and respect in it.. I don’t engage.

      Share, and if you truly trust God .. then trust He will use those words perfectly in others’ lives, but I ask you to not trample on my relationship .. it is my utmost treasure.

      Rachel

  6. Rachel,
    in no way “would i criticize someone’s journey who is diligently seeking truth and seeing the extensive fruit from it is unproductive”

    your journey is your journey,and what i can do is say i am experiencing the same,the miraculous life changing events that can only come from Our Wonderful Father especially for my inner man.

    I have the utmost respect for you in these times to be making that journey,and would never do anything to hinder on that.

    What,..i wasnt trying to do,was, for you listen to me,..or take on my take on things,..no way would i ever do that,sorry if you felt that

    What is was trying to do,..was to get you to match everything you say to Scripture,..maybe you dont see it,..but watching and listening to what you saying, i can agree with most of it,..you have got most of the pieces,..but stand it against written Scripture your making a different picture (NOT TO ME)…to Scripture,we can debate all the smaller pieces but if you go changing the big ones,thats error…so it was my way of warning you,..for warning you of this, im not sorry, sad you dont hear or see the eror you make, but not sorry..its what im convicted to do,and Scripture tells me this.

    you can say you are taught from The Father, i can say the same from Him through His Son, through The Holy Spirit,..and if you have different views, ok,..but the test is Scripture Our Fathers Wonderful Word Written in a way it could only be His,it isnt wrong,it cant be changed,times and order has been set,..and we are WARNED not to go changing it especially the endtime Prophecies Written in Revelation, The same warning is right at the end for us all….so all im doing as a humble far from perfect man, out of respect and love that do dont make that mistake…..i hope this helps you understand my postings,that my intention were nothing but well intended,..i’ll use the Holy Spirit that searches my inner being as my Witness on my words.

    • Its looking more and more like you and Rachel worship entirely different images of God.

      Your image is one in which a “man” must “warn” you to keep you on a pre-defined, one size fits all track. Your image also seems to be one in which a “man” comes floating down from the sky to be seen by the flesh. Your image also seems to be quite merciless in that if you “believe” the wrong thing (even though you trust God to teach you) you are in danger of unending cruelty.

      Whereas Rachel seems to be an image of “spirit, truth and mercy” that connects with our own Spirit. As an outside observer who also seeks to be taught from the Father, I can understand why you an her do not agree. Your images are entirely different.

      If all you do is “warn” her to follow your doctrine, best to follow your image yourself – and let Rachel continue to share what she is actually learning and experiencing from the Father in her own life in peace.

      • thoughtware,
        i dont Worship an Image, i Worship God, thats, God Almighty The Blessed One.

        He has set certain ways for mankind to return to HIM,..because HE has turned His Face away from us,because or ancestors foolishly didnt listen to His Messengers’ Instruction

        i dont know were you get your ideas of me off,..i dont think you must have read my posts,…

        theres a few Gospels in Scripture,..i would profess the Eternal Gospel,.of peace on earth in a future time (Scripture gives approx 1007 years from now ,when God the Father has put all The enemies of His Son under His Feet,and He, The Son shall dwell here on earth,..and in time His Father, God Almighty shall as well,..and all the things Written about Our Wonderful Father will be poured out on everything and everyone.

        before this earthly kingdom starts to take place,..the Gospel of Grace is the one we must go by,..and that is, Y’mman’u’el ha Moshiach,The Son of God,born of a virgin,taught a Gospel of The Kingdom of God here on earth in a future time,was put to death on a roman Tammuz cross, died,descended to the bottomless pit in Spirit, and God The Father raised Him to Life again,..He presented Himself to all His Disciples and another 500 witnesses,..and then ascended to Heaven,…the description,Scripture gives is found in Revelation chp 1 and 19,..of The Son,..same as He was in The Transfiguration,..

        i accept that,..and go with Scripture if anyone believes this with all their hearts and confesses with their mouths they will be Saved,..by Grace…..i never have said anything about a everlasting hell or torment typa punishment for any human being,
        Scripture does only give that to 3 beings,Satan,The False prophet,..and the abomination that leads to desolation/aka the man of lawlessness/the anti christ……and theirs,..whoever that includes i dont know!

        REGARDLESS of difference from me,..She,Rachel is differing from Scripture,especially endtime prophesy (see the whole Book of Revelation, no one can go changing that,..even Rachel,
        and ..has been putting out her doctrine of a ‘spirit of christ’ ….when Scripture gives it as The Holy Spirit,..(see below)
        which is The Spirit of Messiah and mentioned twice in Scripture till The Son mention from the Torah, all the prophets,The Psalms,the Whole of the NT,..and Book of Revelation,has John talking to The Son,..NOT THE FATHER or HOLY SPIRIT,..no THE SON HIMSELF,..alive and well in Heaven,..yet Rachel has Him returning here in ‘spirit’,..when Scripture again proves it to be The Holy Spirit whos here on earth now and in Heaven,..as is The Father and His Son,The Lord

        Romans 14:17
        For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit

        Romans 15:13
        Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing,
        that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Spirit,

        so you dont make any more silly mistakes who i worship

        The Father God Almighty,..as described in Rev 5 in HEAVEN,
        through His Son in all submission to Him because My Father hath given Him, all power in Heaven and Earth,..as first my Living King,..Teacher and Redeemer,..

        and just for you thoughtware to consider the ‘man’ that floats down,..consider greatly

        John 21

        23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Immanuel said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I COME, what is that to thee?

        John 20…and greatly consider verse 29,..it is The Risen Lord, My King

        25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

        26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

        27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

        28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

        29 Immanuel saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

        as you rightly say different from Rachels,..eh?

      • Yes, very different. I prefer the concepts of God Rachel professes to your concepts.

        Rachel speaks deeply of things like love, mercy, repentance and obedience. She explains the concepts of faith, trust and judgement and peace. These are things of God that only God can teach. So when she explains these things – I know she is learning from God.

        You proclaim only what YOU think the Bible verses mean.

        And you go still further by trying to get others to believe what you believe – even when they tell you to pound sand. You continued desire to do so demonstrates why you lack of understanding in all the things Rachel teaches. Only God can teach you what the Bible means – because when he does – you learn of HIS CHARACTER.

        To learn of God you must learn FROM God.

        Makes sense to me – and this is what Rachel proclaims and the fruit of her words testifies to the truth of her words.

  7. thoughware..you post

    ‘Rachel speaks deeply of things like love, mercy, repentance and obedience. She explains the concepts of faith, trust and judgement and peace’

    2 things thats fair enough,..but its hardly any new concepts,and i dont really disagree with anything along them lines,..i actually agree with theem to be honest, Our Fathers Love and Mercy,..was shown when He sent His Only Son down,..down from Heaven,to die for you me and everyone else,..and this is where Rachel and my path part,..shes putting out My Dear Lord is just some sort of Spirit,..where my belief or as you put it what i think it says,.He was Resurrected in a Spiritual Heavenly Body,that will be the same for evermore,..and His Father, has given Him all power,over Holy spirit,angels,heaven and earth,..and made Him King and Priest to everyone that is is His THE LAMBS book of life
    ,..
    so basically what your saying,..if you dont agree with Rachel interpretation,..dont question it

    ohh and im not asking anyone to believe what i believe,..im just asking everyone to believe whats Written in Scripture.

    and actually if you think my understanding of what ive written about my beliefs is wrong,..i dont mind in the slightest you correcting or helping me

    • No, I’m not saying your beliefs are wrong, how could they be…they’re YOUR beliefs! 🙂

      I am saying that in these days it is refreshing to see God’s light shining into the world – reflecting the true nature of his love and mercy. Along with the GLORY and power in those beautiful qualities.

      The Bible verses may have slightly different “interpretations” for everyone – so it is almost pointless to try to get someone to believe a specific interpretation.

      Instead I enjoy spending time one on one with God as he teaches me how to interpret different verses and understand better who he is. THEN, I enjoy hearing from OTHERS what they are learning in their own private sessions with God.

      Now, having learned from God I can tell you one thing. God does not look at scripture from the flesh perspective. It is generally safe to assume the message reflects an aspect of God’s character.

      So, because Rachel only talks about God’s character – I know he is teaching her, and I enjoy hearing what God is saying through her.

  8. thoughware

    absolutely ..any piece of light from Our Father in this darker by the day world is awe inspiring

    and any time spent searching for Him,is time well spent!..in spirit from the inner man

    and in Scripture to…
    Scripture is Scripture,…and as it is Written,and My King rebuked satan with it,..”by every Word of God” meaning that Scripture is there, for us,..for a host of reasons,.Our Father used the Holy Spirit to inspire every word of it for

    Thoughtware

    just out of interest,..whats your specific interpretation of the verse below in John 21………and where is The Lord Now??

    26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

    27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

    28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

    29 Immanuel saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

  9. Ok, here is what I have learned from the Father about this.

    First, I have been taught that our flesh is nothing but a “vessel”. For example, when you look at people consider it like looking at cars on the freeway. The cars look interesting, and come in all shapes and sizes, but they are not alive. Obviously, the ones actually alive are the PEOPLE driving the cars. So when I see a person I think of a “car”, and I think of the “spirit” as their driver, the one actually alive.

    The Father then taught me that the flesh ressurection was a “type” of the true resurecction to come. Jesus came to give eternal life – and his flesh was raised to confirm the TRUTH of his WORD – that he could NOT die because his flesh held the FULLNESS of the FATHER – which is eternal life. It is written that prophets and apostles also raised dead flesh to life – so we see that it is nothing for God to “raise the dead”.

    However, what happens when Jesus’s DRIVER when he died? What happened to the Spirit of the Father within him? Since this Spirit also could not die – where did it go?

    The Spirit was with set free to live among the vessels WITHOUT a vessel. This is how a living spirit existed in a world without life. This is what the Father told me was the Holy Spirit – and it sought to set into motion God’s plan for salvation.

    The Father taught me that his fullness contains TWO spirits. This is how is everything that is (the one spirit) and everything that is NOT (the spirit that is the other). These two spirits are represented in many places through out the Word – but they can also be considered the King Spirit and the Priest Spirit.

    The Father taught me that the Priest Spirit (side of the Father) creates and establishes Truth. It is the King Spirit that then is given the power to rule by the truths created. This is how the Father can rule perfectly – because the Spirit that creates the truths is unable to rule by them. And, the one who rules is only able to rule by the rules given it. These two separate, yet joined spirits (symbolized by the marriage of man and woman) can rule only when a fellowship/communion exists between them.

    You asked where is “Jesus” now. I have two answers because we are talking about where the “flesh man” Jesus is (the car) – and where the “Fullness of the Father” spirit is (the driver)?

    Let’s take the driver first, after all he is the only one really alive. I have explained that Priest Side of the Father has been active establishing the truths by which the King Side could ultimately rule. This took the completion of the word of God, the rise and fall of of kingdoms and many years to complete.

    At a certain time, the Priest Spirit completed its work, and Truth was established in the soil (the seed was planted in the minds). For some that had a desire for the Truth – they began to seek. As they worked the soil, trusting only in the Father to till the land, Truth began to grow in the minds of men.

    Truth feels like wisdom. I know this because I now understand the things I am writing. No man could have taught me these things.

    BUT, once Truth is established even in a few, the KING spirit of RULE could return and begin to rule through those established truths. These means that if you truly seek to know the Father and truly desire to do his will, the Truths of God spoken by MEN can have POWER to bring those truths to life in others. The King Spirit is what actually MANEFESTS truth in someone’s life.

    THEN – TRUE FAITH FROM GOD is created in you. For when you SEE (witness) the truths you have been taught by the Father – you are gaining the FAITH of Christ. This is how others will come to life.

    So, the Fullness of God is returning in people right now. It is the power given to those prepared by the Priest Spirit (Holy Spirit) and thus able to enter into communion with the King Spirit (The Christ). These are those who have participated in the weddding and will begin to feed the multitude with the bread received at the wedding. These are those who are now connected to the Fullness of God (Father) – which awarness will continue to grow forever. Truley awesome!!!

    It will be these who speak the Father’s TRUTH into existance. It is also the meaning of this verse:

    Proverbs 18:4
    The words of a man’s mouth are deep waters; The wellspring of wisdom is a flowing brook.

    This means that as men begin to proclaim God’s Truth – it will be as a fountain of life welling up. The endtime flood is one that BRINGS LIFE – not destruction. How could it – it is LIFE that is coming, not DEATH.

    Ok, so where is Jesus the man?

    I don’t know. I have been asking the Father about Jesus for a long time – and he hasn’t told me clearly. I THINK I have an understanding, but I could be totally wrong in my understanding.

    I believe I’ve learned so far is that many will come to understand themselves as people actually written of in the Bible. It’s weird, but I think what the Father is saying is that our old driver’s are are actually slain (by God when we allow him to do it) that a NEW driver may be given us. This new driver is one of the RIGHTEOUS spirits of a child of God who had previously died. These are the “saints” returning.

    Since we get to keep the same car (our flesh and its experiences), we don’t even realize our driver died. It feels like our inner man is changed in a major way. Thus even within us we carry a trinity of the Holy Spirit (the new Righteous Driver in us), the Son (king/priest spirit given us by Jesus Christ) and the Father (the connection to the Father made possible the Son and Holy Spirit in us).

    I believe it will be these who experience the transition into eternal life – as God transforms our “present” into his “presence”. We understand that the wages of sin is death and we paid the wages with the death of our driver. We understand that Jesus died to carry the spirit into this pit, that I may receive the wisdom to understand this truth. Thus by faith, I understand that I will no have to die in the flesh, because Jesus’s death in the flesh can stand for my own. Thus, both my spiritual and flesh death has been mercifully attoned for – and by faith built in wisdom and understanding upon the ROCK of Truth – the truth of eternal life is established.

    This is why the kingdom comes from WITHIN – and why it is written NEVER to look here or there. EVER. We are called children of the day because we see our PRESENT changing into the PRESENCE of GOD. This is what it means when the word says he fills ALL IN ALL. He will become your PRESENCE. It is a transformation of your present, by your faith in his Truth that transforms your reality into LIFE. You begin the transformation the moment you show the Father you love him – which is to walk in the ways he shows you. As you walk with him in this way, your LOVE for him grows. It is because this is how he knits himself to you forever.

    So, I expect someone out there will begin to feel that the Father is telling him his RIGHTEOUS SPIRIT is Elijah, Jeremiah and even Jesus.

    But to me, they are all brethren reflecting the Glory of the Father – and experiencing the promise of eternal life. For these will grow more and more into the infinite wisdom of their father forever. Thus they shall be perfect – a creation that continues to get better for eternity.

    • Thoughware…

      thanks for the reply,..i agree with some things …disagree with others.
      please dont be offended if i say things that might be contrary to your understanding,im not here to teach,or expect you to follow my beliefs,just see if by sensible thoughts and Pure Scripture,and what it says,se if we cant let truth prevail.

      phewww,..i dunno were to start so i’ll just let it roll as i see it,..and the difference were i cant agree/understand your thinking,

      if you had of said all that you had with acknowledging The Son is Alive in Body and Spirit theres even less id disagreed on

      ..what i cant understand and its actually the same with you and Rachel,you both seem very knowledgeable people diligently seek truth,..but i cant understand why you both cannot get your heads around The Son,if you claim your getting taught by The Father,..The Son is His Glory and His Gift to this World,..Most of The scriptures is About, The Son, The Lord, from OT, Prophets,Proverbs,Psalms,til He Came all the New Testament, and especially Revelation.

      i could fill these boards with verses about The Fathers,Holy Son,..i dont put them up to provoke you,..but to maybe provoke you to go to The Father and ask Him to teach you about His Son,..you’ll find He’s Alive in Heavenly Spiritual Body and Spirit Glory,..in charge of The Holy Spirit,..with respect i dont know how you have missed this

      1 John 2:22
      Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Messiah? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

      1 John 2:23
      Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also

      What you seem to miss that The Father raised His Son to life again, not just Spirit …in BODY,..do you not believe The Gospels of Matt Mark Luke and John,…and The Acts

      i mean read this below,..and consider whats been said

      2 Peter 1:16-18

      16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were EYEWITNESSES of HIS MAJESTY.

      17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (this is The Transfirguration, when The Son was in His Glory and The Father was There TOO, with Moses and John The Baptist),..what an eyewitnessing that must been and hear)

      18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with Him in the holy mount.

      2 John 1:9
      9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

      • Well, like I mentioned. In terms of the how Jesus the flesh man returns – and in what form – I don’t know. I haven’t understood anything about that. So I’m just putting some ideas out there – realizing I could be very wrong. I like sharing these ideas though.

        Now, in terms of going to the Father for understanding, I agree. I do this. Every day.

      • Also, I also go by the following names: Roohmz1000, Rachel’s husband. 🙂

      • And sometimes, William.

      • hi William
        thanks for letting me know,who you are.
        please dont think im against you or Rachel in anyway.
        and im not here to teach either.

        but,..i will offer to help you try to understand,The Son, of Our Wonderful Father,..His Son is His Gift to us,.and Hes Alive, Scripture is mostly about Him whether you realise it or not,..but you do except The son is in Scripture so surely if we both confess we Worship God Almighty The Father Most High, we all have access to Scripture, and all access to The Holy Spirit,..and we all are seeking Truth,..then there should be no harm,..providing we accept Scripture,,and what is Written.

        if you dont because i know you and Rachel walk your own path,..thats ok,..i’ll flee these boards,because i dont like causing conflict between believers never mind those that walk the path the way we do,…but if you dont know at least listen,..you just might see the delusion thats coming and why you need to know The Man Jesus Christ,..because the man anti jesus christ is coming first to test us all,..and if you arent up to elect standard as Written, you just might believe the lie!

      • Hi Thresher ,

        I believe we are ALL seeking God. He promises that those who seek WILL find. That is a promise – and I believe in his promises.

        So why not simply share what we believe we are learning from the Father directly? No matter what it is.

        As long as we are discussing concepts that fit within God’s CHARACTER (All Knowing, Loving, Merciful, Gracious, Long Suffering with us), then we can have a lot of fun discussing God in a much larger dimension than rigid religious teaching.

        For example, religion teaches that God will be “eternally cruel” to those who do not hold the correct belief about him. This violates his Character – so I reject it because I know it is NOT of God.

        But if someone told me that they believe God will begin teaching animals to talk to us, I might say WOW! Very interesting. Could he do that? Sure! Does it violate his Character? Not at all. So I am happy to discuss anything and everything – knowing all discussion and thought about God that is in accordance with his character HONORS him greatly.

  10. i’ll just touch on a few other points of you post,..

    Resurrection,…i guess im at opposites with you on this,..everyone ever born is a single creation,.body and soul,..i know how unique a body is,.its beyond knowledge,..so i wouldnt even guess a individual soul,…its Written its appointed to all men to die and then the judgement,..if you read Scripture only 2 people escaped death and will everyone else will die,..some for ages,.some in a twinkling of an eye.

    two things i will warn you off as a fellow human about is Prophecy and The Resurrection,…do go changing them,..The Father has warned of it in Scripture, how it will happen,what will happen,the lead up to it…look what happened in The NT when the two lesser disciples taught a false Resurrection.

    and dont make the mistake of, The Lord raising the dead and the disciples and apostles bringing people back to life.

    bringing someone back to life that has just died is a Miracle only possible with being FULL of The Holy Spirit,..which The Apostles were.

    raising the dead that have returned to dust over the ages,..that is for The Lord, Gods Son,to do, at His return and especially in the 2nd Resurrection,..that is everyone that has ever lived,in the earth and in the sea..Thats what Written,..thats what will happen.

    With all respect,..and its the same for everyone of us,..to get our heads round,..we arent all the same,..just like your cars

    there very very different groups in The Bible,….so i always mindful,..that can be a problem in understanding,..or could be the problem,,what if you, rachel, me EW etc are all different groups,..and that why we cant hear each others point clearly,..The patriarch fathers, the prophets,the disciples, few apostles,..the Israelites,the gentiles,..as in The Chosen (small group), The Called, (larger group) the faithful followers (extremely large group),..brings e to were there error in your thinking of the marriage,..you see The Bridegroom is The Son,..The Bride, again a elite Chosen Group, 144,000??…i dont know, but would expect thats the Bride,..The Elect ?..i say,everyone of Bible renown from the beginning,. till the very end.

    one very interesting thing you said about Eliyah, Jeremiah and Jesus,.though i’ll throw in John The Baptist,..everyone seems to miss His importance.

    these men where all real Scripture proves it,..ancient history scrolls and other methods confirm they all existed as men,..as indeed the other prophets,..named in other verified Chronicles ….BUT though their deeds and story may run into the thousands of years,..all there storys are a prelude,and are about to play out again in our immediate future,if we are blessed enough to live through whats coming,..yes life is coming,..but Scripture is very plain death is coming first, as Written in times never witnessed from the beginning,..all these Biblical storys/characters ..are the Witnesess’s, are the remnant,..are the best man,..are the Bride,..best man !!!i hear you say??…dont you know at any wedding, of a Living Bridegroom and His Living Chosen Bride ..there is a best man?

    as for the Kingdom it dosent come within ..it is within,..its your heart.

    its a bit like a dirty car,..you gotta wash the dirt of your heart,..and you gotta get the Key to start your car,..instead of sitting behind the wheel shaking it and going vvvrrooooommmm vvvrrrroooommmmm,..ohh and id say mine take would be,..my car is my car,my soul/spirit is the driver,..the Holy Spirit sits passenger (instructor,extraordinaire) watches me how good i am at driving it,reports on me.i get lessons of advice from my Teacher/Examiner, The Son, in His Manuel ,….so that someday im able to carry a Valuable Load someday,everyday!

    • I’m actually thinking “eggs” is a better description of the human being than a car.

      We are all eggs of varying colors and sizes. Within us is a spirit.

      What that spirit will become we do not yet know. But I believe that there shall be a great variety of newly created beings. All perfect – yet all different.

      Again, just my ideas. Don’t be afraid of discussing new/unusual concepts about God. I’m sure he would be happy that his people actually think about him and his creation at this level. PLUS – it is actually a LOT OF FUN to discuss your ideas about God and His Plan at the largest possible level you can imagine!

      Please do not hold the idea that if you get your belief wrong you will be separated from him – or rejected. That’s silly.

      Instead think of yourself as a child – and you know your Father has gone on a long journey and is coming home. How honored would your Father be when you can tell him all the ideas you came up with about him. He would rejoice that you thought so deeply about him.

      Remember, God is beyond our understanding. Odds are we ALL have it wrong anyway. The things we CAN know are the things of his Character. He is LOVING, GRACIOUS & MERCIFUL. Let us hold every idea of Him in accordance with his character.

      🙂

    • William,..you posted

      “For example, religion teaches that God will be “eternally cruel” to those who do not hold the correct belief about him. This violates his Character – so I reject it because I know it is NOT of God.”

      well at least we can agree with that.

      the new or unusual concept of The Father i want to specifically discuss in detail with you,..is the concept of The Fathers Son,The Son of God, The Actual Being,or if you like The Man more commonly known on this earth as Jesus Christ,..to me as Immanuel the Messiah.

      obviously new to you,..very unusual to me, that both you and Rachel as seekers of Our Father,God Almighty,..are not fully aware of the total importance of His Only Son.

      for us to discuss and share our thoughts and concepts,..we rigidly have to stick to Scripture,…thats not sticking rigidly to any religion or Laws,..bar the 2 He, The Son gave Himself,..for The spiritual seekers to live by, rigidly,..for us to dig our pit, and to build our house upon,..as as Scripture says He, The Son of God is The Cornerstone,..you’ll either build on Him,..or you’ll trip over Him,..and your house will fall, (these are all basic Scriptures you should know).

      i say rigidly stick to Scripture,..because,and im just pointing out,..call me a caring critic,..but your videos with Rachel have been straying from Scripture,..you might not see it,..but as one watching i can see what you both have been putting out on the last videos on youtube,..and when they put up here,..we can discuss as children of Our Father,what He says in His Scriptures through His Word, which is rigid and cannot be changed,.by anyone of us!

      a couple of questions so i understand,you William

      do you understand the Scripture that states what is bound on earth is bound in Heaven?

      can you clearly see the difference between Our Father and His Son in Scriptures,…its difficult sometimes, as they are both called Lord,..maybe on purpose maybe at the hand of the lying scribes,..greeks or,the lying out their very pores, romans….but if you are a good student seeking then you will have your Strongs concordance, greek lexicon,..or/and interlinear Bible,..to see what really was Written,..and the very plain distinction made in Hebrew between FATHER,.. and His Only Son,..and you might see what you have missed!

      its importance for our discussion that you do and can see theres a difference,..and we get to the bottom and shine a very bright light so you can see where that ‘man Jesus Christ’/ Immanuel The Risen Messiah is,..very clearly in Scripture,..very clear!

      and we rigidly Stick to The Written Word,..and no mocking of it, whats Written is Written and important to our Salvation and Mercy,..and escaping The Wrath of Our Father!

      • Hey Thresher,

        Maybe you did not read my earlier post. But I will summarize my belief about Jesus’ return again here.

        Jesus, the man of flesh, is nothing. The flesh profits nothing.

        However, Jesus the man of flesh, contained EVERYTHING – because he contained the Spirit of the Father. He walked in this Spirit and his words and actions reflected the Father perfectly. This is why it is written that “if you have seen me (Jesus) you have seen the Father”.

        I do NOT believe Jesus died to bear the Wrath of God for our sins. This would be like saying the Father MURDERED him because he really wanted to MURDER us. This is a rediculous teaching of the church. Instead, I believe he purposely died to rescue us from the prison of death – because of the Father’s great love for us.

        I believe the Father came to earth INSIDE the flesh of Jesus, that he might willingly DIVE INTO DEATH to rescue all of us trapped in it. Jesus was the vessel of flesh that carried the Glory of the Father within him. By dieing, he poured out his Spirit from one vessel, that the FULLNESS OF THE FATHER may RISE in MANY VESSELS. This is why the Christ is also called “Emmanuel or God with Us. As we will have the SAME Spirit Jesus had (the Christ) – this is why we will be called Brethren, and the Family of our Father.

        I am SEEING this resurrection of the Christ happening now – inside those who worship him in Truth and Spirit. These are those who hold NO IMAGE of the Father, whether on earth or in heaven. These are those looking for him to come from WITHIN – never looking outside of themselves.

        The wisdom and Truth of the Father is leading those who know Him into the paths of LIFE. Our lives are so DRAMATICALLY changed – that we SEE and FEEL his power in our lives. And this power is growing – and is starting to change the world.

        Now about the man Jesus returning – I don’t know. As I said, the Father has not taught me ANYTHING about how this.

        This is what I believe.

  11. Hi Guys, EW here. May I enter this discussion? We have to be carefull and proove the spirits we listen to. I say this because, you guys are talking about some things that would be of, or in heaven; I also have some (I’ll say -thoughts) on this subject but, will not speak of most, simply because I am a poor communicator. I do not want to be labled with the religious groups that claim God to be the author of confusion(babbeling idiots, throw their bible on the ground and dance around, slap someones chest and claim to have cured them, play with snakes; all sort of things that says the Spirit can be conjord up as if He were a haint). However, “it is appointed unto man, once to die” I believe God is the very same today as HE was on the day of creation and will be the same on the day of HIS great wrath. Therefore, Elijiah & Enoch will not get past it. Jesus told us Elijiah did come back and we know his head was cut off. Consider this; Stephan had no reported background, yet he knew, from the beginning of creation through Jesus and upon death he had the face of an angel; has the Spirit told this man that Enoch came back as Stephan or am I listening to a false spirit? Remember, Stephan’s death was the end and decision of the Jews for God’s 70wk of yrs. timeline!

    • EW,
      Moses fretted cause he thought he was a poor communicator …Our Lord tests and communicates through our hearts,..of course you join in surely these boards are about sharing and learning and searching,..i refuse to be part of any religious group,..i dont need to be part of any church to Worship My Father,..i just have to love Truth, justice,peace,mercy, walk humbly,and except His Son as my Saviour,..and seek Him,diligently daily,…and hate evil,..and let Him open my eyes from the lies and see out my eyes from my heart rather than out my brain.

      no matter what your thoughts are,beliefs are,i will discuss them,..BUT ..everything must stand the Test of Scripture
      ,..it must be a bottom line for us all,..no point taking one line or verse if it dosent stand the test of another!

      i’ll give my opinion on things cause thas all it is sometimes …other times especially with Prophecy i’ll stick rigidly to it,..more rigidly than a saducee or a pharisee to every single law and statute,..thall give you an idea,….any Bible studier should know the importance of prophecy,..especially the Prophecy of Peace,..and The Prophet that delivered it.

      my thoughts regarding Stephen,Enoch,Eli’Yah, and John The Baptist,

      EW,..we have to believe all the Big Named Bible Characters are real where real in themselves,..the big hitters Abraham and Sons, Noah, Enoch,Moses,Eliyah, David, John The Baptist Jeremiah, Isaiah,..all individuals.

      regarding Enoch and Stephen, id say they were separate,..is it your own thoughts or does Scripture reveal Enoch was Stephen?

      regarding Eliyah and John the Baptist,..both were totally separate characters,..first of all you have to realise who Eliyah was, and was again,..and will be again.

      Eliyah the prophet we know is the end time prophet, forerunner to John, and John,..the Witnesses,.who inturn will be killed/beheaded and then called up to Heaven Rev 11,..before the Days of wrath,..were and will be types of Eliyahs,….notice very carefully what Scripture says,in John 1 19-26..John was asked if he was Eliyah,..ask if he was The Messiah,..asked if he was THE Prophet not a prophet,..id say trust what that Spirit hath Written there!

      Jeremiah an end time prophet ,forerunner to the Remenant

      John the Baptist,..was a ‘type’ of Eliyah and a type of forerunner to the endtimes ,..John id say is the second most important person ever born on this earth,to Immanuel Himself,..wrote of in Isaiah,he was there in that elite group at the Transfiguration,..hes the one in Revelation 20 v 4,..the beheaded one,..and ones also in Rev11 (the Witnesses,..John if you like is the best man, for the Bridegroom,.The witnesses are the witnesses for the ‘Bride’.

      as ive said many times you have to discern theres very different though all very important different ‘groups’ at play here,..sometimes i wonder is that why some cant hear what is being said even though it is Truth,,,you know like the eye and ear and foot and finger not knowing what the other is doing,..but all part of the same body,..thats why we have to get out heads around the the remnant, the elect, the bride, the chosen, the called, the faithful,those that come out of tribulation, are all different groups!…as is the time frame,..the kingdom coming,the kingdom being established,Tribulation,.the endtime world ‘famine’,.the false prophet and the beast from the pit,.THE DECEPTION/DELUSION,..The FATHER has it Written, it will happen…The Wrath,The Second Coming, The Resurrection, The Wedding,..they are all separate events,..and will happen in order Scripture puts them from OT prophets NT Prophets til Revelation, regardless what anyone says or thinks,..its Written,..we cant change it,..nor should we want to!,..but we should all seek that spirit to understand it!

  12. HOW to know CHRIST is in YOU? —By the perception of EW; “if we judged ourselves truly”/with a conscience of living as close as we know how to with the teachings of Jesus, “we should not be judged”(is this not judging the world? “We should not be judged” because, Jesus does not hold any burden against us for what we have been beguiled.) But, when we are judged by the LORD, WE ARE CHASTENED so that we may not be condemned along with the world.” There is a fineline on this last statement because, once you have tasted the Spirit of God, then completely fall away from the Lord; there is no sacrifice left for sin. However, when one is warring with their conscience and chooses to follow desirers(I personally call it wreckless with the truth); God will bring HIS children in line. God does not bring double punishment for the same sin, except for those that totally refuse HIM, such as the second death/”condemned along with the world”! —Hey church, lay it on me, how wrong am I?

  13. EW here. Even Jesus died once, but there are at least two men above Jesus, that they will not exspirience death? This is what the son of perdition preaches, yet many have died and new ones hold the office! Then God is a liar, when HE said it is appointed unto man once to die?

  14. Thanks for the reminder. I need to work on that. I am a folelw momys that found your blog. I have been enjoying watching your family grow and your words of encouragement and advice. Keep it up. Stacy momys w/6

  15. In these scriptures the word is is a present tense word meaning now. Inside the believers…
    1 John 4:2
    Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh is of God:

    1 John 4:3
    And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    2 John 1:7
    For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

  16. Hi Cherri, thanks for sharing these verses .. very powerful. 🙂

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