Coming as a Thief
Christ is coming as a thief. Where to look? Look within.
Matthew 24:43 “But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.
Satan is the master in this verse. (notation 4-15-15: Satan is the cumulative false-judging self of humankind) The kingdoms of this world belong to him. Matthew 4:8-9 The whole world is under his sway. 1 John 5:19 At Christ’s return, Christ penetrates Satan’s kingdom of darkness as a thief thus in a way unknown to Satan and to the world.
The exact details of Christ’s return have been hidden from our eyes in the scriptures so the manifestation of His return is protected from Satan’s scheming as the verse above reveals. However, as the Day of the Lord and the revelation of Jesus Christ dawn upon us, we will start to learn and experience the perfection of God’s plan as it unfolds. God has been teaching me about this plan by opening up scriptures and putting them together in a perfect formation like I’ve never seen. Thus, one reason I believe the end is upon us. I’m sharing with you what I’m learning so that if you too are being taught by God, the posts will serve as a confirmation to some amazing truths. The truth is our protection. How important it is to seek, know, trust and believe.
A Mustard Seed
Christ’s kingdom starts as a mustard seed. Matthew 13:31 His Kingdom is within us.
Luke 17:21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”
Many are looking externally for Christ’s Kingdom, just as they did in the NT at Christ’s first coming. The religious people of Christ’s day read the scriptures, but they did not understand. They didn’t trust upon God’s timing for revelation but relied on their own logical deduction. Hebrews 4:2, 1 Corin 2:14 Never a good idea. As a result they conceived of an image of His Kingdom of their own creation, an image that they clung to as truth and therefore missed Christ although He stood right in front of them.
The same situation is happening again. People are looking and waiting for physical images of Christ’s return, which they’ve received from religious leaders. For example, they are looking for people to be physically raptured into the clouds or to disappear. They are waiting for the physical body of Christ to come in the physical clouds. There are many variations and many images. And until people see events that fit their man-contrived images, they won’t think Christ has returned. Don’t fall into the same trap, but seek to be taught by God through the scriptures. To learn of God, we have to be willing to let go of all images, otherwise those images will mar and hide the true God, truth, and what lies ahead.
There is much confusion about Christ’s return, and much speculation is outwardly focused. But if that is your focus, you will miss the call of the Bridegroom.
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.
The Kingdom of God is Within
The Kingdom of God is built from within us. We are the temple. Christ died so that His Spirit could be resurrected in us. He gave up His Spirit as it was, so that He could be resurrected in many.
John 12:23-24 But Jesus answered them, saying, “The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified ” Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain.
Christ’s physical resurrection is a testimony that His words are true. It’s proof to His words; He came to destroy death, give life, and resurrect our dead spiritual souls by filling us with His perfect righteous spirit. (Things we are waiting to see fulfilled, which I believe is beginning as the fig tree buds Matthew 24:31-32)
Bridegroom’s Call
With Christ coming as a thief, a separation will occur that you see throughout the NT. 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 Some are hearing His call, thus being filled with His faith/spirit, which is growing in them a new mind. Hebrews 12:2 This new mind is their salvation as they become new creations; creations who can stand in the fiery presence of a holy God. Isaiah 33:6 They are experiencing a truly born-again experience as all becomes new in and by Christ. As they receive the mind of Christ and thus walking in true wisdom, they are growing in peace, true love, joy and righteousness as they are being filled with Him. They are entering the Kingdom of Heaven on earth; a place of safety and rest.
Others are not attending to that call, because they are holding onto false images. They are headed deeper in the wrong direction. This path leads to outer darkness, a place without mercy as mercy is being lifted to reveal the works of darkness and bring in judgment. Matthew 22:13, Hosea 1:6, 2 Thess 2:6-11 It’s a place of increasing fear as one bad decision leads to another. The kingdom of darkness, ruled by Satan who rules by fear, is God’s tool of judgment as people’s choices and beliefs are manifesting for what they are – rebellion to God thus full of death and destruction. Luke 21:25-26 God’s mercy has sustained people and protected them, when it is lifted the depravity of their minds will be revealed leading to more depravity. The wisdom they thought they had will manifest for what it is, ways of death. Luke 19:26
When the mustard seed reveals itself, Satan knows His time is short, woe to the inhabitants of the earth. Now is the time to listen to the Bridegroom’s call and become an inhabitant of the Kingdom of Heaven.
Revelation 12:12 “Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
Living Light 
June 12, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Rachel,..if your a child of the day then you know that the endtimes are just about to be played out,..the separating has begun as many of us are living proof of separating ourselves from all and any of mans worlds religions/ Biblical babylon,…and we can only do that by spiritually seeking Our One and Only Teacher through The Holy Spirit…so yes the sign of this alone in our own individual lives can confirm this with us learning things that were always there but as Written in Daniel sealed up till the end times.
The Chosen Son, of God Almighty, The King of kings, Immanuel The Messiah Will Come,..in all Glory, in the very Physical Spiritual Body He Ascended to Heaven in 2000 years ago,as Written,..and everyone will see it,…but that is approx 7 years from the start of tribulation and that is when the man of lawlessness is revealed,..(the beast from the pit in Rev 9)..and who will come as the anti christ out of the skies saying he’s je’sus,..and will catch out all those that are fast asleep/oblivious to whats in The Bible,regarding whats about to happen,…never mind whats going on around them in the material world of darkness they live in.
Signs from Heaven are here, and in The ‘heavens’, as in signs in the sun moon and stars,..esp from feb 2011 til the venus transit the other week….
and also the signs the children of the serpent have been growing ever more manifest and easily seen in the way they have been able to hide them from us,….the signs of the beast of the pit imminent release from his prison are everywhere,..from ancient sun god worship drawings to modern day adverts,pop songs ,films etc,..even each and every google doodle,..its disgusting,….for those that dont know the beast from the pit of revelation,..is the god of the Olympics,..also the statue of liberty is him/’it’ aswell,…with a very sinister date in his hand….the flame/torch is his symbol as is the stone pillar obelisks from Egypt Rome London Washington,..church yards.and war memorials,..but all alters to him
The Book of Daniel and Jeremiah,..both deal very Prophetical with The Middle East,..America and Britain,..and the sun god worshiping roman catholic church,..and all those churches that are branches of her ,…..and Syria!
as we speak the evil powers are working to provoke a war in the middle east,..which will only lead to America being severely attacked,…and that i mean is the UN,America and Britain,..knowing fine well what attacks on the USA and Britian will bring….this will lead us up to the 4th Trumpet,..and then the Eagle and The 5th Trumpet,…and the falling away and the ‘Famine’ that is Written,…but never taught in any church on sunday.
June 13, 2012 at 9:40 am
Hi Brian – I know you believe Christ is coming in His glorified body, which is unlike this flesh and bone as we know it. Will He manifest in a single entity? .. perhaps. But intially, to come as a thief, He is coming in spirit to those prepared for Him, for our souls will be married to Him, to be one flesh with Him.
June 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Rachel,..not sure if im understanding you.
The Father Most High is an Invisible Spirit whom we all should Worship
His Son is a single entity,In the Image of His Father,Whom we can only Worship His Father Through,..and He is using The Holy Spirit to give guidance to those who truly seek Him,..yes i can agree that this is the start of His Return.
But,…He was a single entity,..when He,The Son, The Messiah Spoke to Abraham,..Moses..Joshua…king David and Solomon,..Face to face,..All of which is Written,..not an Invisible Spirit.
when He came and was born of the virgin,..He was flesh and bone,..and from The Description of Him in Isaiah,.He Looked just like an ordinary man,..How ever after His Resurrection,He was in His Glorified Body,..to the point some didnt recognize Him,..from The Acts,its Written The Same Immanuel will Return in The Same way He Went,..but His Physical Return will be well seen by many,..and He Will Be That Exact Same Entity that left
2000 years ago,..(whether its ‘flesh n bone’ as we know it,hmmm,thats probably beyond our understanding)..and was
witnessed by many followers.
1 Thess 5,…is making it fairly clear the day of the Lord will not
come upon upon the children of light,..and 2 Thess 2 is making
it fairly clear the day wont start until the man of lawlessness is
revealed,…and from Daniel we can discern this anti christ/man of lawlessness/the beast from the pit shall be here approx 7
years before,…His Glorious Return, in His Glorious Body,..that day shouldnt come as a thief to no one,..as the sun shall be
darkened and moon as a sidgn of His Imminent Return,..with His Bride, His Holy Angels, The patriarch fathers,the many dead in
Him,..and those that come out of the 7 year day of Tribulation.
im not asking you to agree,…..but could you clarify either way if you think or believe ,He, The Son Messiah, Our Teacher will return in a ‘Body’ we can see?..to Rule This World?
June 14, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Hi Brian – I’m referring to Christ’s spirit which He gave up as the son of God, to fill many. It is this spirit that is coming for His Bride to be united to her. He is our righteousness, because He fills us with Himself, thus we are able to stand in the fiery trial to come upon the whole earth, because we are a part of Him, sanctified and holy. This is the part of Christ, His Spirit, that moves into our soul to become our governing righteous spirit. He marries our soul so that we and Him become one.
John 12:23-24 “But Jesus answered them, saying, “The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified. Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain.”
Christ gave up His spirit and in His death He was able to resurrect in many … thus saving us all from death by giving us a new mind, spirit thus making us eternal creations holy and pure.
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
June 19, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Brian .. our salvation is Christ pouring His spirit into us .. this is why He had to die, to give us His spirit. John 12:24-25 He purchased our souls, to fill and own them .. to make them a part of Him. In our souls we marry Christ’s spirit.. it is an internal union of us with the divine, this is how we abide for eternity, how we walk in righteousness. We are a part of Him and He a part of us. The Holy Spirit is a part of God to prepare us for this intimate union, to sanctify us. He has been our teacher. But our salvation is Christ in us.
June 14, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Rachel,..its not that i disagree with what you post,..of course we are Redeemed by His Death and Physical Resurrection,..the First Born of The Dead to Everlasting Life
but sorry,.. im still not clear if you do or dont think,..that when He Returns at His Second Coming,in All His Glory and Majesty at The 7th Trumpet,.. Will He be in a physical form that everyone will see?
June 18, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Hi Brian … yes possibly in that physical form .. but I feel it’s important to understand how He first comes as a thief, by coming in the spirit that causes us to transformed because we become a part of Him. This is our salvation. We are His temple. He died so He could resurrect in many .. He gave up His spirit to fill many. He is knocking at the door … to prepare people to be united with Him, to govern their souls bringing them into eternal life. Will He manifest as well in a physical form, possibly .. but I think this understanding of Him coming to take over our souls is very important for it is our salvation and how we stand in these days because we are a part of Him, a part of the fire.
June 18, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Hi Rachel,..i can agree with you that the Kingdom is ever advancing,..It is unseen,..and inside us,..but its The Holy Spirit,from The Father through His Son and Our Beloved Teacher.,.His Father,and He,The ‘Bridegroom’ are still in Heaven and will stay there until the things that are Written come to pass before He Leaves His Chamber,..when That Happens, and He is Sent back to Earth by His Father,..He will be in the Exact Same Visible Body,..that He was in in The Transfiguration,…and The Exact Same Visible Body that He Was in The 40 days and nights He was on This Earth between Resurrection,His Return from The Father and then His Ascension, or else its possible that Act 1 and the angels are wrong
Rachel our faith has to be based that The Father Raised Him Body and Soul from the dead,…He’s not some Invisible Spirit,.John 20 v 29.
He Never Was,..Abraham seen ate and drank with Him, and met with Isaac and Jacob….and He was Visibly with The Israelites at various times as Written in the Scriptures for the 40 years in The Wilderness,..conversed Visibly with Samuel,His boy prophet,..king David and Solomon,…1000’s saw Him in His earthly body while with His Disciples,and they Witnessed as He,by His Father through His fathers Holy Spirit performed all The Miracles that Scripture Recorded and the ones not.
the day of the Lord will come upon those that will not wake up like a thief,.and even still like a thief just before His Return on that great and terrible day…..but His Returning at The 7th Trumpet ,In all His Glory, with His ‘Bride’ Saints and Host of Angels,..will be anything but unseen and unheard
John 20, v 25-28
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Immanuel , the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Luke 17 v 23 and 24…and Matthew 24
23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in His day.
Acts 1
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Immanuel, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Zech 14, v 4 and 9
4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
and
9 And the Lord shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and His Name one.
I think its very important we stick rigidly to Scripture,..yes He is calling and guiding those lost sheep that seek Him in truth and from their hearts and mind and spirit, right now as we speak,..preparing them so The Father can do His Will in the immediate years ahead,….before He, The Son, King of kings, Returns from Heaven Visibly to Earth,to Claim this His World and Inheritance..as Written
the possibly of that being wrong,..well theres no possibility at all,..just man or womans misunderstanding.
June 19, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Rachel,..Of course, there is no debating He is our Salvation,Our Redeemer
He Always Has Been,..and Always Will Be.
but there seems to be a cross of wires between us,..as to whether He Will Return Here in His Full Visible Body Glory….White Hair,Eyes like Fire, Blood Red Robe,..and a New Name,…and remain here in this Earth as King,.A Very Visible King,….and hopefully all of us in visible Resurrected flesh and spirit +The Holy Spirit of Joy in us,even though we might die during the eminent Tribulation….as would be my understanding,..to yours that is coming across as He will be unseen…and even those who are blessed enough to become His Bride.
The Glory of His Death and Glorious Resurrection is He is The First Born from the dead,..and from Him until now no one else has ever been raised Spiritually and Bodily to life eternal ,and even if you believe this with all your heart,and die,you will receive salvation in the future when He Returns and visibly raises the dead,..body and soul…….
and we will all live with Him here on this earth with everyone doing His Fathers Will,…hence fulfilling what we pray for in The Lords Prayer.
June 21, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Brian, He is our salvation, this is why the analogy of marriage, two becoming one, one flesh. We are uniting to Him in the spirit, which is our salvation.
June 23, 2012 at 6:40 am
Rachel,
im not getting what you saying in so far as much,you seem to be saying that A Spirit of The Messiah with be in us,..and He wont be seen!
Im not sure, as you say about your posts some is Bible Teaching some is your own experience,thats fair enough,you have my full respect….but, id greatly differ with you on that.
The Spirit that inhabits anyone, be it,All the Prophets, Moses to Samson to John The Baptist to Immanuel Himself to His The Disciples to Paul..to the 144,000 Witnesses, come ‘Bride’ to the Wedding Feast Guests,..is The Holy Spirit,..of, The Father Almighty,….His Son,Immanuel is The Bridegroom,..The analogy between Bridegroom and Bride is they will be together as One,..but,..the Bride will be ever obedient to Her Husband,..Whom,The Bible makes very clear will be Visibly Here…and Will Live Here,Forevermore!
as ive said and Scriptures repeatly, have it Written, He, Immanuel,Will Be King,of This Whole Earth,there will be a very visible UNMISSIBLE 7 year warning before His Very Visible un thief like Scriptural Return
And,..if we study The Scriptures,..in a Future Time,The Almighty Father,HIMSELF,The FACELESS GOD, Whose NAME is Never Spoken,…HIS FACE will be seen,..but that is in The Very Distant Future!
June 23, 2012 at 11:47 am
Hi Brian – first you know I look to the Bible, but it also works in perfect unity with our lives, for that is what truth does 🙂 It seems we view the scriptures differently. I believe it is a marriage of our soul to Christ. Romans 7:4 That He moves in and makes His home in us. John 14:23, John 17:23 The controlling self-will is destroyed and casted out and He moves in to take over. The Holy Spirit is a part of God that came to prepare us for this union, but He is the helper, teacher and counselor, but Christ’s spirit is our salvation. When He becomes a part of us, resurrected in us 2 Peter 1:9, Revelation 22:16. He gave up His spirit, to fill many. John 12:24-25 Will He also come as before in the glorified body the disciples witnessed? 2 Corin 5:16 … there are some verses you could believe that to be true, and others where it takes the understanding much deeper … to Him being in us, for Immanual is God with us. We are the temple. But if you are only waiting for the flesh body, you’ll miss His spirit knocking on your soul to be joined to you. Rev 3:20. It’s this union that allows us to stand through the fire of the tribulation, for we are a part of the fire, Him. Obadiah 1:18 It is in our souls that we become united to Him. This unity is beginning. We are getting ready to enter the wedding feast. It’s a union of our soul to His spirit. Amazing grace.
June 20, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Thethreshermansson I think you are overlooking one point. The apostle Paul understood the plan of salvation more clearly than did the very deciples of Jesus who were close with him on this earth and who witnessed him in his ressurected body. and Paul also had the road to damascus experience where Jesus himself appeared to him, but Paul did not recieve his revelation knowledge of christ from any physical experience
Galations 1: 13For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews’ religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: 14And profited in the Jews’ religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers. 15But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by his grace, 16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: 17Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
18Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days
So it was Pauls three years in the desert with the holy spirit and the torah that taught Paul everything he knew that gave him understanding. Even if Jesus does return in a physical form it will still always be the perfect plan of God the spirit and the word that will lead us into all truth and knowledge of Christ. Everything else may pass but that will never pass.
June 21, 2012 at 8:18 am
Tim with respect i think you are overlooking a major point
The Son of God, Immanuel The Messiah,..was Raised from the dead,His Disciples seen Him,..as did many others,..i’ll emphasis SEEN Him,..talked with Him,..touched Him…SEEN,Him Ascend to Heaven….
He’s NOT Invisible,….His Father ..and His Fathers Holy Spirit Both are,…The Spirit of Immanuel that Rachel speaks of is The Holy Spirit,….It is What Makes His Father and Him, One.
He, Immanuel is in Heaven, at The Fathers Right Hand as KING,..right Now as we speak,..He, Will NOT Visibly Return until all that is Written,happens!
Then as Written in many places throughout Scripture,on The Day That THE FATHER has Fixed,..Acts 17,v 30,31,.The Man,The Holy One,The Son of God Almighty,The KING of kings Will Be Sent Back Here in All His Glory,..
and so no one is fooled,blinded,deluded,loves the stupor they live in,..The Loving Father Has given a detailed,7 year order of a chain of events that will give a clear warning,..so people can repent right up to the very last few years,days if not day before or of His Actual Physical Return,..SO..that it WONT COME TO ANYONE by surprise….even the 7 year hour and day WILL NOT, thats WILL NOT come to those ‘children’ of His, like a thief,..if you are a child of the darkness, it will come upon you like a thief!,..and at he start of that seven years,..a thief and a robber and a murderer is coming!,..and will fool many!
as for Paul,..hmmm,..with respect,..i think Saul/Pauls life changed when he met The Risen Messiah,Immanuel on the road to Damascus,..i’ll emphasis he met Immanuel,..not The Father,.not the Holy Spirit, Immanuel.
and,..it wasnt until Ananias opened pauls eyes that then,..and only then when he was baptised did The Holy Spirit/The Spirit of Immanuel fill Paul,..and a few days after spending time with the Disciples Immediately Proclaimed The Messiah,..Acts 9 v 20.
The Wonderful Awesome Holy Spirit is Also The Spirit of Imannuel,..its always been here, Unseen,..but felt and confessed by many who come to have the scales removed from their hearts and eyes,..and through faith bear witness to its..and that is how He,Our Teacher teaches us in Truth,..until He is Sent Back Here to Teach us, Himself!,..The Spirit of Immanuel is what ‘waters’ the little mustard seed inside us,…a little at a time.
The Disciples and Paul were FILLED with The Holy Spirit of Immanuel,..as they were able to speak boldly of The Kingdom that will come,..so that they could bring the dead back to life,..and heal the sick,lame and blind,..only being filled by The Holy Spirit can this be possible!,..after you eat food and be strengthened
One thing Paul did understand,..is that he went through what he did,for His Saviour,a message for the gentiles,..but especially for a certain elite group!
June 24, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Rachel,yes of course we all view the Scriptures differently,..but there is not different Spirits,..Christ and as you say Christs Spirit is The Holy Spirit,…and although many parts to it and used in different ways,One Spirit,The Holy Spirit,…and so just One Truth,..this is not about you or me being right or wrong,..no,..its The Truth in The Bible…to me its whether we agree or disagree with that.
Do you agree or disagree that the Spirit of Christ is The Holy Spirit?
When He,the Prophesied Messiah of Isaiah 7 Walked this earth in The Last 3 and a half years of His Mission from His Baptism He was Filled with The Holy Spirit,..everything He said and done was the Holy Spirit,The Almighty Fathers ,Holy Spirit….He had a body people seen it, and if we believe,..what is Written,..when He died at His horrible crucifixion , His Body went into The Tomb,..His Spirit was made ALIVE by The Holy spirit and He went in Spirit to the fallen ones in the prison deep under this earth.
Do you agree or Disagree?
after 3 days and nights His Father Who was in Heaven All The While, brought Him out from the depths where the prison is,..Restored His Spirit to His Body,..which if we discern,changed into the same body He took on in the Transfiguration,..in John 20,He appeared to the Mary ,she didnt know Him,..He warned Her not to TOUCH Him ,because He was going to The Father in Heaven,..around 8 days later He Returned from Heaven,to The Disciples, they Seen Him plainly and touched Him,..and as Scripture tells us,..was with them a few more times over the 40 days till His Ascension ,..which was Witnessed by many,..and The angels that appeared comforted them,..with the words, The Same Immanuel would Return in The same way.
Now i dont care who we are,who we think we are class, colour, religion or creed or opinions on The Bible…..but the only way to The Father is through His Son and you have to believe that God Almighty, Raised His Chosen Son from death,.to everlasting Glory,..and Gave ALL Authority to Him,….you have to believe He is risen from the dead,..in simple terms,..that means in a body,..or in His case a Heavenly Holy Body,..not an invisible Spirit
a Heavenly Holy Body,..that will never change…The New Testament is based on this!…He was Raised from the dead and was Witnessed by Many,..and not only that Paul,..also said he SEEN Him,1 Cor 9 v 1,..that is after His Ascension! ..
Do you agree?,…or is there any Scripture that would even closely indicate that He has changed from that Body and is now an invisible Spirit?,…
Now, you should also understand that Revelation was in the future,..the here and now!,.John was in Heaven and SEEN The Son of Man, King Immanuel,..and describes Him,..and even how He Will be dressed WHEN He Returns …in Glory for every eye to see.
and as Written in Daniel,..there will be a 7 year lead up to this,..and amazing supernatural events ,..before His return,..and throughout the Old Testament,..even more when He Returns…especially in Isaiah,Ezk,The Psalms, NW, and Rev. ….and those who seek Him,spiritually heart and soul He will use The Invisible Holy Spirit to teach us until He Comes,..and destroys His enemies With The Very Breath that comes out His Mouth,.that Honour is His,..His and His alone,..and every knee shall bow before Him.
as i said we can different all we want,..but either He Was Risen in a body from the dead or He Wasnt,..im sure you know the warning of changing this!
June 27, 2012 at 11:31 am
Hi Brian – I agree all are the same Spirit; God, Christ, Holy Spirit .. just different manifestations of His Spirit for different reasons and purposes. There is a tendency to separate these more than they are.
2 Corin 5:16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.
2 Corin 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
The Holy Spirit comes as a teacher who prepares us to have the fullness of God in us, which we have not yet seen. Right now we see people are still dieing and walking in transgressions. Because this marriage with Christ which is our salvation, comes at His return … which I feel is upon us as it comes as a thief, to marry souls and “steal” them out of the kindgom of darkness … for flesh and blood can’t inherit the kingdom of heaven. Thus we need to be a part of Him, thus changed. It’s part of the regeneration Matthew 19:28
1 Corin 15:50-51 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed–
Christ will rise in our hearts, marry our soul, be joined to us at His second coming .. His spirit a part of ours. 2 Peter 1:19, Rev 22:16 Christ’s Spirit in us (Immanuel = man with God) is a deeper union than what we’ve known before and one to be for eternity. He is our righteousness, thus He dwells within us in a beautiful marriage to our soul. Same spirit as Holy Spirit, the teacher who has been here, different type of manifestation. When this occurs at His second coming some (who have oil in lamps) will no longer die, thus why some are changed and don’t die.
Christ Jesus rose in a glorified body … for it was to show us the power of God toward us and that we have the same hope of eternal life. As He had the spirit of God, so can we because God spirit was in Him reconciling us to Himself as He would give us that same Christ spirit …
Ephesians 4:13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;<
That transformation/regeneration occurs as Christ's spirit fills us … which is God's spirit filling us.
Ephesians 1:10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth–in Him.
June 27, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Rachel,
I think that we should separate, The Father God Almighty,…His Son Our Lord, King And Saviour and Teacher….and the Holy Spirit.
The Bible makes a clear difference in The Father and Son,…man made christianity and other religions,..either say the Son is God,..or either deny The Son ever came or is just a Prophet,..not The Messiah
John 18 v 37,…is The Beautiful Scripture of Our King,..telling the very reason He was Born,..A King,..to be King, of the Kingdom thats Prayed For,..and is The True Gospel, a Kingdom of His on Earth with Him as King,..as described not some Invisible King,..AND He will Come in all His Glory,..not like a thief
Immanuel/Je’sus Christ is not God Almighty,..Yes He’s His Son, His Word, His Arm His Right Hand,..and The Holy Spirit is His Finger,..and His Image is The Very Persona of The Invisible Living God,.He is The Fathers Chosen One,..No One is above Him,.Only The Father
God the Father Almighty was in His Holy Heaven the whole time His Son was on earth,…they had a serious Father and Son ‘dispute’ while Immanuel hung on the ‘tree’,..with Our Father and God wanting to send His Mighty Army of Angels to take His Son Our King down from the ‘tree’ and destroy,everything and everyone,..this alone makes them Separate,..Yet Always as One through the Holy Spirit,..Immanuel died,..God Almighty CANT
While Immanuel was in the prison preaching to the angels that had children with human women, God The Father was in His Holy Heaven,..two different places,again showing them as Two and Separate.
as we speak The Holy Spirit is Here, Everywhere,..The Father and His Son are Both in Heaven.
the Scripture of Thomas has to be discerned,..Thomas wouldnt believe until he saw Him,..and touched Him,..Flesh and Bone,..holes still in His Hands,..and that was after He Had Risen seen Mary WENT to Heaven and came back from Heaven again.
Our Saviour and King WILL not Return, thats NOT RETURN until ALL that is Written is Fulfilled,(thats not my words,thats Scripture).and its certainly not been fulfilled,..last i checked Damascus was still a city,..the angels from the pit are not here yet,..and ..and …The Holy Spirit is still Here.
i think i understand what your saying,..but its The Holy Spirit teaching us,It Hasnt come back,..Its never been away!
but i have to be clear The Second Coming, will not just come like that or like a thief to those who are ‘awake’,..the day will come like a thief to many…the lead up to His Return should awake alot up,..But hopefully we will see His Very Visible in Spiritual Body Form just as Thomas saw and touched Him,…and 500 Witnesses seen Him too
Rachel,..The Bible Describes Him,Hair,Eyes, Feet,Robe,…
He is the Chosen Son of God Almighty to be King of His Kingdom,..here on earth,….id urge you with to retrace your steps,..and realise He will return the exact same way He Looked when He Ascended,..i really dont think the Angels that Prophecied this,were wrong? do you
or what He said to Thomas,..when Thomas saw Him,..about the ones that havent seen Him.
Certainly The Holy Spirit is here, unseen,working away getting those ones ready that will be whittled down,.just like in the Gideon story,..or the branches that will produce the tender twigs and leaves,..that will become ‘The ‘Bride’,…you got to discern, only a certain group will become The ‘Bride’ the rest will be the Wedding Guests.
July 3, 2012 at 11:56 am
And John 5 v16 – 47,..Powerful,Beautiful Eye Opening Scripture,Separating The Father and His Son, by The Son,..we should divide every line and word of it.
and Hebrews 1,..The Father Most High HIMSELF,..SEPARATING, HIS Son,from HIMSELF,..and everyone and everything else.
Pure Solid Precepts
July 3, 2012 at 1:01 pm
1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
July 3, 2012 at 4:12 pm
and Psalm 110 v 1, …The Lord (The Father) said to My Lord (Immanue,The Son),Sit Thou at MY Right Hand, Until I, (The Father),make your(His Son) enemies thy footstool.
Long long Written Down,by king David,..about something a long off,..but making a clear distinction Between, Who is Going to make the footstool for Whom.
im not sure where you are getting cross wires with me,..so i’ll be very clear,..
1.I Worship and give All Honour and Glory to the Invisible, Father,The God Almighty
.2..and i do that through His Son, Immanuel,.whom i give all Honour to as My King,Teacher,Redeemer, My Wonderful Saviour.(who is not Invisible because The WHOLE of Scripture testifies that He is not,..and is not dead but Alive and in Heaven,..where even John, describes Him in Revelation
3..and i do that through The Invisible , though very Revealing,Holy Spirit,..that is God the Fathers, Spirit, that makes HIM,..His Son,..and those that are His, ONE.
without wanting to argue,just to establish Truth,..could you just tell me where we differ?
July 3, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Rachel,..yes 1Timothy v 17,..is referring To The Father,Our Majesty Most High,..WHO WE SHOULD WORSHIP,..through His Son,The King of kings, who The Bible and Scriptures make it very clear, He, Immanuel is NOT INVISIBLE,..since He, Immanuel, NOT THE FATHER,appeared to Abraham, Issac and Jacob,..when He, Immanuel, spoke to Moses,..from the burning bush,..and Face to face until he, Moses died,..to some of the Prophets, king David and Solomon,..and then when He came to The Disciples and all thats recorded in The Gospels.
The King Eternal, is God the Father,..God of Immanuel,the ONE He came to earth to Declare!..Immanuel, is ‘God’ the Son,.King of The Israelites,..whom the Majesty of Heaven,..has made King of Heaven and in time HIS, Kingdom on Earth ,..Under, HIM THE MAJESTY ETERNAL!,..WHO Will Still be in Heaven,..when Immanuel Returns Here,.to Sit upon His Rightful throne…read John 5,22-23
John 5 v 22…..and especially v 23…Honour both Father and Son.
22 Moreover, the FATHER, judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,
23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
Colossians 1 v15
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Hebrews 8:1
The High Priest of a New Covenant,.. Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,
NONE of us is worthy to even Glory The Father,..that is why HE Lovingly Has Provided His Perfect beyond Perfect Wonderful Son, for us,..as Priest, King, Redeemer,..and Teacher…..and there is No Way to The Father BUT by His Son.
July 3, 2012 at 6:12 pm
and here is Beautiful,.soul life giving Scripture,..of The King, The Father,The Invisible Majesty, described, in Rev 4 v 2-3…
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a Throne was set in Heaven, and One Sat on The Throne.
3 And HE,that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
and reading on, Rev 5,1-6..He (The Invisible Father)Who sits on The Throne has a Book in His Hand ..that no one is Worthy to open,..no one!
well all except,..the One that was Slain
Rev 5 v 7
7 And he came and took the Book out of the right hand of Him that sat upon The Throne.
this is powerful Scripture,..again Separating,..Father and Son,..Describing The Unseen Invisible Father on His Throne in Heaven,..
and Rev 1,..The Not Invisible Son,..as seen by patriarch fathers, prophets,kings of Israel,.john the baptist,the disciples,.and those men blessed that seen Him and were healed and brought to life by Him,..while on earth,i His flesh body,..and also in His Everlasting, Never Changing Glorified Body
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last,
and Rev 19..v 12-13,..the not invisible King of kings,continued,
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rachel,.I hope this helps you to agree,… not with me,..thats unimportant,..but to agree with Scripture,..and The Truth
July 5, 2012 at 10:01 am
Hi Brian – I’m not disagreeing that we will see Christ in a glorious form beyond what we can truly imagine. But I’ve been learning that first that His spirit is going to come to us in such a powerful way marrying our spirit. This union is what will transform us into eternal creations. 1 Timothy 6:14-16 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
July 9, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Rachel,..all i was trying to do was establish where you stood on it,..your message youve put out was not plain,…and i and im sure you’d agree The Truth of Scripture must always be our ultimate foundation and goal.
though i must say,..The Holy Spirit has always been here,..the seed has always been inside us,..its not returning,
and as Prophesied His Spirit will be poured out on many, in the end times,..so i cant agree its like a thief,..Scripture says, THE DAY will come like a thief,..Not Him.
as for ‘marrying ‘ His Spirit with ours i can agree,.
.BUT…..lets not mistake this as to ‘The Bride,’..’The Bride’ is a Select Group of People,..NOT everyone….
great Verses of Timothy though, again, proving Him as The Son,His Visible Coming at His Glorious Second Coming,..and The Unapproachable Unseen Invisible Father,..just as in Rev 5,..did you ponder over the Huge Importance of Revelation 5 v 7,..and what is actually being said.?