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Redemption by God’s Hand


Redemption by God’s Hand

God is love. God is righteous. He isn’t one or the other. He is both ALL the time; He is righteous love. When you know God, then you know this love and you begin to see it in ALL His ways; and certainly in His plan of salvation for mankind.

The spirit of rebellion in each of us leading to sin thus death first revealed itself in the Garden of Eden. At its appearance, God foretold His salvation. Genesis 3:15 A Seed (Christ) of the woman, would defeat such a spirit forever. God, the perfect Father and Creator, set out to develop His creation into a people who could abide with Him forever in perfect righteous love. He is love and for a true bond of love to exist, love is given and received in its purest truest form. Mark 12:30 He had the love; and His creation would to.

With the choice of following self in the Garden of Eden, mankind showed their weakness; their ability to go against God’s will of perfect love. They demonstrated that without being governed by the Spirit of God from within, they would go their own way forsaking God’s, thus severing the bond of perfect love. When Adam and Eve received as truth the lie based in fear that they were “missing out,” fear and lies were brought into this creation. Genesis 3:1-8 They chose to go against God’s instructions, which kept them in perfect love with God, one another and creation. Now they were no longer governed by pure love, but fear, and not by truth, but lies. Thus sin existed in them and in creation. Adam and Eve didn’t understand the consequences of going their own way for they only knew God’s perfection, until the moment they went astray in their hearts. This was the first time they were exposed to anything related to death and death itself.

Now all of God’s children are born in pain. Genesis 3:16, 3:20 Eve is the mother of all living. And because of sin, her children, us, are born in pain (sin). All have to come through death/sin then into true life. Hebrews 9:27 This journey teaches us the consequences of going our own way, (an understanding Adam and Eve originally didn’t possess) and our need to have the mind of Christ to truly discern between good and evil, right and wrong. Even Christ, as our forerunner, learned obedience (righteousness) through the things He suffered. Hebrews 5:7-8 God took their transgression and thus ours, and used it to teach mankind an very important lesson for life to exist eternally: only God’s will is good, thus we have to be a part of Him. He put creation on a path of salvation in which He would give us His spirit with the mind of Christ so we would always walk in righteous love with Him. 1 Corin 1:30

Challenge: To Really Believe in God

As we saw in the OT, people will not believe in God; that His ways are better, He forgives and He is love. When He laid it all out they wouldn’t follow Him. Isaiah 48:18, Deuteronomy 28 They wouldn’t receive His forgiveness and repent. When their sin manifested terrible consequences, they kept rebelling. When He spoke from heaven, did amazing miracles, and showed His power, they still strayed. Finally in Christ, He showed the depth of His love and forgiveness, people still would not believe so He would be Lord of their lives. (True belief is walking in God’s truths because you know and love Him; not simply acknowledging His existence, who He is or what He does.)

Consider your own life, how often do you look to your understanding instead of following God? No matter what we learn or know, following self is like a cancer we can’t rid ourselves of. We can’t believe God to wholly follow Him. Luke 16:30-31, Romans 7:24-25 (If we truly believed, we would follow wholeheartedly.) As Adam and Eve did, we’ve done the same. The difference in our relationship with God now verses the Old Testament, is that now Christ is preparing His vessels (our souls), which He purchased by His blood, to fill them with His righteous, so we can abide with God forever as eternal creations.

Victory of Christ

Christ did for us what we couldn’t; became our faith. Hebrews 12:2 By His spirit in us, we are able to believe and follow; to possess a spirit having the mind of Christ which is being poured out on all flesh. Ezekiel 39:29, Ezekiel 11:19-20, Hebrews 8:9-11, Acts 2:17 Christ had to die and resurrect to be the seed of life; a seed that once it died could be raised in many. John 12:23-25 He had to die so His spirit could be resurrected in many, because no one would truly believe God or follow Him unless they were a part of Him. 2 Peter 1:4 No one comes to Christ unless God calls Him. John 6:44 No one can come to the Father expect through Christ. John 14:6 It’s all God’s work by His spirit. Something dead can’t bring itself to life. Something unborn can’t birth itself. For us to believe, really believe, we need His spirit and this is what He is giving us in abundance.

Becoming a new creation who can abide with God forever is the purpose and victory of Christ. 1 Corin 15:55 Without God’s spirit living in us in such a fullness as Christ, there will always be sin and death. Ephesians 4:13, 1:10, 3:19 For us to be God’s creation who can abide with Him for eternity, we have to have the mind of Christ and this is exactly what He is giving us in these days, though some are rejecting that voice, wisdom, and good conscience to their own destruction.  1 Timothy 1:19-20

Our sin is harsh; it is death. When we see what it creates in the Old Testament; death, destruction, stoning … it is horrific. Thus, in His love God destroyed it in Christ. He destroyed the seed of death. He destroyed the self-will in all of us through Christ’s death and resurrection. Being birthed in pain, we learn the death nature of self-will. By God’s grace in Christ, the self-will dies and souls are married to Christ and transition into eternal life. Though dead, He resurrects to us to life and starts to mold us into eternal creations.

 Romans 7:24-25 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God–through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Author: Rachel

Contemplating the oneness of Truth while guided by the Voice of Truth produces the evolution or maturation of the soul, spirit and mind, so reality can begin to reflect Truth's immutable, divine attributes, which manifest the highest good for all. This blog reflects an ever-deepening understanding of the Truth a soul gains as its mind is renewed by Truth's pure Light.

20 thoughts on “Redemption by God’s Hand

  1. There is still more of that outpouring of God’s spirit yet to come. I truly believe we have not yet fully appropriated the redemption of Christ,as a body that is.
    Romans 8: 22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
    There is a former and latter rain of that outpouring of his spirit.
    Joel 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
    Pentecost was the former rain the first fruits like the spring rain it establishes the crop and the latter rain brings forth the harvest. I believe We have not yet seen the fulfillment of this scripture, the latter rain of the outpouring of God’s spirit. God’s ultimate purpose for his people. God bless you Rachel love your blogs. Keep stirring the deep.

    • Hi Tim – It’s just beginning .. what an incredible gift it is.

    • we have not seen, only read what the former rain of Pentecost was and did,….but we all got to discern,..Luke 24 v 24 -48 and esp v 49…Acts 1 v 4-5…and Acts 2,..and what came after and Rev 11
      when The Almighty pours out His Holy Spirit on those blessed enough,..they will be able to heal the sick,and lame,.and cast out evil spirits,..and ‘Rain’ Truth everywhere they go,…as yet this hasnt happened,..

  2. Hi, Rachel, I love your messages based on God’s love.

    However, as a whole, I see you are trying to show only one side of God. i.e. God’s love, mercy, redemption, salvation, forgiveness, grace and many more that all comfort both the saint and the wicked. However, the other side of the story talks about God’s judgement, punishment of those who continue to sin without repenting.

    if you look at the ministry of Christ, we see Him addressing both sides of the story. Jesus was rebuking both the sin and the sinner and the wickedness and the wicked all the time. He sometimes used words such as “Vipers”. “Evil Generation” “Adulterous Generation”, “Hypocrites” and so on to rebuke the sinner and the wicked..

    I think our ministry should be balanced. While we speak of Go’s love, we must show the consequences of not accepting God’s love. This is the rebuking part of the ministry. Today, the church has gone away with this part as they try to please everybody.

    Pro 28:23
    He that rebuketh a man afterwards shall find more favour than he that flattereth with the tongue.

    We cannot win everybody with words of love. If it were so, Jesus would have used words of love all the time. We sometimes have to resort to rebuking in order to bring some people into repentance,

    with love

    • Hi Iroshan … I just did some videos on this today that I’ll be posting later. Truly a call of repentance is of utmost importance especially now as the Kingdom of God is upon us.

  3. Iroshan,…..

    theres very few ‘christian’ ministries sites across this world,..that teach the True Gospel,..which is The Son of God Almighty returning here to this earth in the Flesh to Rule and be KING, This World Forever, raise the dead to life and to restore and heal …never mind teaching the only True Way to Worship God Almighty is in our spirit,through His Son Immanuel,through The Holy Spirit,…..who teaches us all things,..thats those who truly seek Him from their hearts n minds and hear His ‘voice’…..never mind teaching from the Wonderful Old Testament,..Scriptures so much alive in these times, much Prophecy, much Truthful Food,..most cant even swallow never mind stomach
    theres also a warning in Scripture not to send anyone down a wrong path,..theres also a warning that The Father will use different people for different things,…theres a direct warning to separate ourselves/to come out from among them,..that mainstream christianity /mans religions as a whole.
    surely if people are leaving a system that teaches hell fire forever more,…they can go to those sites.

    Immanuel The Messiah,the King of Israel’s message was… ‘my sheep’ hear My Voice and follow me!….and to those that were sent to teach was the Kingdom of Heaven,…and again theres only one way to do that to get there,..
    there is no brother or sister Filled with the Spirit of Truth,if there was we’d see them and know we should all be careful what we all think is Truth,.before we start to teach or rebuke!

    Matt 7

    3 Why do you stare from without at the very small particle that is in your sister’s eye but do not become aware of and consider the beam of timber that is in your own eye?

    4 Or how can you say to your brother, Let me get the tiny particle out of your eye, when there is the beam of timber in your own eye?

    5 You hypocrite, first get the beam of timber out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the tiny particle out of your sister’s eye.

  4. thethreshermansson

    Jesus never comes in flesh to rule this world forever.

    1 Cor 15:50
    Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    Jesus is coming to this world with Father’s Glory (second coming) to rule this world for 1000 years. This is called ‘Millennium Reign”.

    Rev 20:4
    And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    The eternal kingdom of God is not set up in the present world. It is set up in a new earth under new heaven.

    Rev 21:1
    And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    For this new earth there is no sun or moon. In other words, the present set up is totally removed.

    Rev 22:5
    And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

    You need not be the Son of God or perfect saint to rebuke a sinner with the hope of bringing him to repentance. Rebuking the sin and the sinner is a part of the True Gospel. Paul was addressing this topic in detail when he was writing to the Corinthians Church.

    1 Cor 5:11-13
    But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

    According to the above passage, you can judge your brother within the church if they do not live right before God provided you are not coming under the kinds of sins Paul has listed above.

    Nobody is perfect except God. But we all are in the journey toward perfection. However those who are having major sins (as Paul has stated) are not in this journey. Jesus was talking to this segment in Matthew 7.

    There is a place called lake of fire which is real and eternal. This place is made for Satan. However the Scripture is warning that there is a possibility that even human souls can end up here. You can take this warning in any way you like. Some take it as real and some take it as something used to scare people and bring them to repentance. Whatever you believe, what is written is written.

    With Love

    • Iroshan

      Im afraid i’ll have to disagree with you on your interpretation,..and go with what is Written and let Scripture prove itself .
      My interpretation is this the Messiah Immanuel The Son of God the Father Almighty will Return here to this Earth, The Flesh,Luke 24, Acts 1 v 11 Rev 1 v 13,14,15…Rev 20 v12 13

      you have to discern,..when The Father Almighty raised His son Immanuel from dead His spirit that went to the Bottomless pit to preach unto the disobedient angels returned to a flesh and bone body,..does doubting Thomas spring to mind?

      read what Immanuel says…
      Luke 24:39
      Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have FLESH and BONES , as you see I HAVE”

      (can you see He’s once again Flesh n Bone ?)

      Acts 1 v11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this SAME Immanuel which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

      (can you see they say the SAME will return in a likewise manner)
      Rev 1 and Rev 20 of course describe His Hair Colour His Eye Colour His Holy Feet Colour,..and His Beautiful Red Robe

      so i think Scripture as its Written say very plainly He went in Flesh and bone and will return the very same….dont you?

      and He’ll return in the Flesh approx 84 months after the man of lawlessness and his brood are let out of the Bottomless pit (Rev 9 :1-11) and come down from the heavens as if they are from above.

      As for Ruling This world Forever you need to read Isaiah,..all of it, wonder Immanuel referred to it so much,..its Beautiful Scripture for every inch of your spirit and soul and flesh and blood and bone,..about His Endless Rule on this Earth…and what it will be like!..YOU need to dicern the Lords Prayer,.. “..Thy Kingdom Come m Thy WILL Will Be Done on EARTH as it is in Heaven,….for ever and ever”
      Yes everything will be made NEW,..even our hearts

      Psalm 72:17
      His Name shall endure for ever: His Name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.

      Psalm 37:11
      But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

      Deut 4 v 40…

      …”and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the EARTH, which the Lord thy God giveth thee, FOR EVER.”….

      The awesome Book of Jeremiah,..32

      8 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:

      39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

      40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

      LQQk,..a new flesh body and a new heart,..Read it and Rejoice!

      Ezekiel 11:19
      I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh.

      Ezekiel 37:6
      I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the LORD.’”

      NO ONE will or can enter the Kingdom of Heaven here on earth unless you become like a little child,..and seek with your spirit ..not your flesh

      Romans 8
      4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

      5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

      6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace

      and….Remember the Promise to Abraham

      and hear is wisdom,.Ezk 44,..NOTE,..The Sovereign LORD says, foreigner,….thats muslim,jew,gentile,egyptian,or christian,..who follow after mans ways,..and say they Follow Gods Way ..and even Israelites, warned in many other places in Scripture

      Ezekiel 44:9
      This is what the Sovereign LORD says: No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and flesh is to enter my sanctuary, not even the foreigners who live among the Israelites.

      The True Gospel is This,..Immanuel the Messiah,The Chosen Holy One of Israel,. will Return here to this World , His World, King of kings as Written,..FOREVER,..

  5. Thethreshermansson, could you exspand on what you see in Rev 11 that corrulates whith the outpouring of Gods spirit. I am open to what God is showing others.

    • Tim,
      youve got to understand the message thats being given in Matthew 10……its referring to the Disciples but also the 144,000 …same as in Acts 2,…and the Apostles again are the forerunners to the 144,000

      what people have got to realise The Witnesses,..1 of them is the 144,000,….and this, one,..thats NO ONE,..can do anything like heal the sick,..lame…raise the dead back to life (NOT raise the dead out of graves) preach The True Gospel,..unless FILLED,..thats FILLED with the Holy Spirit,..not a lil bit,..but Filled,….that wont happen until they ‘return’ for the last 42 months not the first!,..and will bring the latter ‘rain’ to the whole world, Written…..and thats after the famine of the first 42 months!

      and your understanding ?

      • Yes I see what you are saying Jesus walked in the dominion and authority that was given to Adam he was the second Adam and because he never sinned he just spoke something and it was because he was so one whith the father it was the same as if the father(the creator) had spoke. when we abide in Christ (John 15) we can ask what we will and it will be because we can abide in him to the point that we are so one with him its no different than he spoke it himself and He(Jesus) is one with the father so its as the father(the creator) spoke it himself. (Philip2:5-6) This is the filled with the holy spirit you are talking about,and the world has not yet seen this kind of authority from a man outside of Jesus himself. This is the authority the 144,000 will walk in

        Still don’t get the two wittnesses part though. I have thoughts on the two witnesses but can’t say I have revelation on it yet from God. my thoughts don’t count for understanding.


  6. thethreshermansson

    Jesus can appear in the same body to anyone as He is the Son of God. But it does not mean that he is in the flesh and blood.

    Jesus became flesh and blood once and he never again. The blood and flesh are physical substance and they have their own limitations.

    For example, anyone with blood and flesh cannot go inside a closed room without making a physical space for the body to go through. But Jesus appeared to the disciples when they were inside a closed room. The doors were properly shut as they were in fear of the Jews. Look at the Scripture:

    John 20:19
    Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

    John 20:26
    And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

    Luke 24:31
    And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

    It is true that Jesus’ body was raised and Jesus appeared with the same body to the disciples. But after Jesus Body was raised, it was raised in glory. This is called the transformation.

    1 Cor 15:43-45
    It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, …

    We too go through the same transformation when we are raised to eternity. But the difference is those die before the Rapture, would lose their physical body. Hence their spirit shall receive the eternal body when they are raised to eternity.

    However, the bodies of those who are among the living (the elect) shall be transformed to eternal bodies at the Rapture. This is exactly similar to what happened to the body of Christ. Apostle Paul is talking about this transformation of physical bodies very clearly in 1 Cor 15:51-53.

    Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    The eternal body is not made of flesh and blood. Jesus says in Luke, we would be like angels in eternity.

    Luke 20:34-36
    And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

    When we consider both transformation of physical bodies which Paul talks in 1 Cor, and what Jesus says in Luke, we can say these physical bodies are transformed to glorious bodies just like the bodies of angles.

    Not only Jesus, even angles can appear in flesh and blood. Look at the below Scripture:

    Gen 19:1-2
    And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

    If you read on the above story, we see that the people of Sodom identified these two angels as two men as they had appeared in flesh and blood.

    Truly angles were not in flesh and blood. But they have simply appeared in flesh and blood so that those who were in real flesh and blood would identify them as humans.

    It is not prudent to think that Jesus being the son of God, is in the flesh and blood at the right hand side of God the Father.

    In the Millennium reign, even other souls who would reign with Jesus would appear in flesh and blood to the living who are in real flesh and blood as the real flesh and blood cannot deal with them if they appear to them in their real glorious bodies.

    • i take it you never read Isaiah ?..and pondered and discerned it?

      with respect Iroshan, come to me from a christian interpretation which falsely teaches this nonsense of everybody going to Heaven in the future sometime,..which is Totally incorrect and not in Scripture anywhere,…

      as for the 2 angels,..there are at least 4 different types of angels in the Bible,…and if you care to read Gen 18,..the 3,..the 2 where angels,..the Other was Our Messiah Immanuel Himself, The Rock of Israel,..who sat, ate …and drank with Abraham all the while the 2 angels went to Sodom and Gomorrah

  7. thethreshermansson

    Can you explain the below scriptures as they also hold the same validation as the other books in the Bible.

    Rev 21:1
    And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    According to your interpretation, what is this new earth and new heaven?

    Rev 22:5
    And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

    According to your interpretation, without night and without the sun, how come the same world continues in eternity?

  8. Iroshan,..i think you are getting mixed up with Seas, in the Salt Sea,The Seas…..and the ‘sea’,….in The bible as you should know, Sea referes to Water and also to peoples,….good,..and most of the time bad/wicked/evil……you have to realise who the Egyptian sea is,..and my dear iroshan, should know already who he is and they are, understand prophesy

    read the verses below,..they make quite plain,..or should it isnt the water sea

    isaiah 11 v15
    And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

    Daniel 7:3
    And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

    Isaiah 57:20
    But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.

    as for darkness and light,…its also Bible speak for good and evil

    Psalm 72:17
    His Name shall endure for ever: His Name shall be continued as long as the sun
    Psalm 72:8
    He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.

    Psalm 74 :13
    13 Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.

    Deuteronomy 3:17
    The plain also, and Jordan, and the coast thereof, from Chinnereth even unto the sea of the plain, even the salt sea,

    Psalm 89, it…and understand how long Forever is,..and as the Days of Heaven

    25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.

    26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.

    27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.

    28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.

    29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.

    30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;

    31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;

    32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.

    33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.

    34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

    35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.

    36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.

    37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven.

    Iroshan,..are we not told to be in awe of the work of His Hands,…it means how things work as in nature of how it constantly renews its,..we are the blue/water planet He made it,.,..Sun, Moon, Sea …all so it exists and grows

  9. Iroshan,..i covered Rev 21 :1 for you

    can you explain to me then v 2-5,..

    BECAUSE,..according to you,..V 1 is this totally ‘new ‘ planet somewhere with no sea, no sun ,no flesh n bone people,..and if im reading what your saying no King of kings that we can even see with our eyes

    now v 2 -5 would have me thinking its stll the Same Earth as we are on right now

    Rev 21

    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

    4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

    5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

  10. thethreshermansson

    Well, now I think you belong to Jehovah Witnesses.

    Thank you for your all explanations.

    God Bless You!

    • Iroshan
      i thought at least because i replied to your question to me on Rev 21 v 1,…you could have considered and replied to my question on your interpretation to Rev 21 v 2 -5…..

      as for me being a jehovah witness, glad im not easily offended,..ive been called worse,..but let me assure you im an Israelite,…a spiritual Israelite,..that Worships The Spirit God, the Father Most High,.through His Chosen Holy Son,My King Immanuel through the Holy Spirit through my spirit,..nothing more nothing less.

      jehovah witnesses are a cult started by freemasons,..freemasons are satanists that worship the ‘sun god’,..just another branch of the thorn bush of roman/Egyptian cult of christianity that worships the ‘sun god’ and his mother,Isis and Horus,..aka the diabolical queen of heaven Ishtar and her son hideous son Tammuz,..better known as mary and ie’sus christos,…jehovah W’s or ie’ hovah are part and parcel of the ‘babylon’ church system,..which The Son of The Father,The Almighty God of Heaven and Earth tells His Sheep to leave,..and ‘remember Lots wife’

      you should study the meaning of ‘hovah, aint good

      I would still like you to share your thoughts on Rev 21 v 2 -5

      as in your own words,..”Whatever you believe, what is Written is Written.”

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