Comments on: Out of the Church System – Into God’s Arms http://stirringthedeep.com/2009/09/10/out-of-the-church-system-into-his-arms/ Cultivating a REAL Relationship with God Mon, 06 Feb 2012 23:05:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Rachel http://stirringthedeep.com/2009/09/10/out-of-the-church-system-into-his-arms/#comment-2359 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 18:18:24 +0000 http://stirringthedeep.com/?p=718#comment-2359 Hi Frank – thanks so much for your encouraging words – it spoke to my heart. Thanks for sharing your experience and thougths on this often tough topic. You made some great points that I agree with. It is sad for people to leave the bondage only to enter into more bondage. That is why it is my passion to help others develop that relationship with God … only in truly abiding with God in truth and spirit will they be truly freed.

]]> By: francisdrakeprivateer http://stirringthedeep.com/2009/09/10/out-of-the-church-system-into-his-arms/#comment-2353 Sun, 05 Dec 2010 17:07:50 +0000 http://stirringthedeep.com/?p=718#comment-2353 Wonderful stuff. Be encouraged and press into ALL that God is challenging you in.

I have to tell you this. -God is wanting to take you even deeper in undoing the things which you still hold dear, (and that HOLD YOU DEARLY). However you are on a journey of HIS making and you must not be in doubt that he is able to take you the whole way.
(I do not know to what this refers, but HE says to me that your practice of saying YES to the Father will suffice)

God spoke to me about 25 years ago regarding the false institutional church. He showed me the roots of pride and idolatry in the hierarchical system.
However at the time He told us not to leave. In fact when we asked about leaving the Lord said that he would make it abundantly clear when it was the right time.

It did become abundantly clear when I was publicly denounced as a rebellious heretic and thrown out of the church! I was “rendered unto Satan” for judgement and overnight lost all our friends of nearly 20 years.

The resulting wilderness was extremely painful at the time, and the recovery from spiritual abuse was over a long period of time as the Lord took me even deeper into understanding what was happening in the heavens.

My real sin was in biblically challenging the serious idolatry towards the church leadership. I regularly cried out to the Lord to let me off the hook. I absolutely did not want to bring bad news. I was banned from speaking on several periods. Yet even in meetings when I gave a word in tongues,( trying to avoid direct accusation), it would be interpreted by a visitor and would only confirm the rejected “words”.

My biggest sadness in watching anyone leave church, for whatever dissatisfaction, is that far too many leave and then rebuild the same structure that they have just left. I know that down the line it will replicate the same as before.

The root issue of idolatry is in the idea of hierarchy of leadership. It is little more than spiritual fornication. Jesus is not really enthroned, the pastor is! It is the pastor that the saints seek for direction and permission to do anything. The doctrine is further reinforced with the notion that obedience to the church leadership is indicative of submission to God when the direct opposite is the case.

]]> By: A Time to Leave …. « Stirring the Deep http://stirringthedeep.com/2009/09/10/out-of-the-church-system-into-his-arms/#comment-2280 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:12:28 +0000 http://stirringthedeep.com/?p=718#comment-2280 [...] left the CS embracing the true church in 2004. (Out of the Church System, Into God’s Arms) As the years have passed, I see more and more believers coming out and embracing the true church, [...]

]]> By: Rachel http://stirringthedeep.com/2009/09/10/out-of-the-church-system-into-his-arms/#comment-1849 Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:47:18 +0000 http://stirringthedeep.com/?p=718#comment-1849 Perry – I’ve transcribed the video – and put it below the 2 videos. Sorry it took so long. I’ve been on vacation and had company. But here it is. :-)

]]> By: Perry http://stirringthedeep.com/2009/09/10/out-of-the-church-system-into-his-arms/#comment-1674 Tue, 11 May 2010 04:42:30 +0000 http://stirringthedeep.com/?p=718#comment-1674 Thanks Rachel
I ll looking forward.
Perry

]]> By: Rachel http://stirringthedeep.com/2009/09/10/out-of-the-church-system-into-his-arms/#comment-1669 Mon, 10 May 2010 17:08:24 +0000 http://stirringthedeep.com/?p=718#comment-1669 Hi Perry – thanks for your comment. Good idea. I’ll work on it.

]]> By: Perry http://stirringthedeep.com/2009/09/10/out-of-the-church-system-into-his-arms/#comment-1662 Sat, 08 May 2010 08:39:50 +0000 http://stirringthedeep.com/?p=718#comment-1662 Hello Rachel
I myself am deaf, I like the title:Out of the Church System – Into God’s Arms. But I can t hear your video. Hmmm, I understand it can be long to write. I know same my church, many deaf had bad experinces and also they can be blind that they thought church has answered. Most deaf dont understand what is different like home church vs tradition church, or churchianity vs christianity.
I hope you dont mind to write what you say on your video, or your freinds can help. Thank you

Perry Belleau from BC Canada

]]> By: Rachel http://stirringthedeep.com/2009/09/10/out-of-the-church-system-into-his-arms/#comment-1501 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:51:41 +0000 http://stirringthedeep.com/?p=718#comment-1501 Debirrah – sorry it took me awhile to get back to you – I’ve been out of town. Thanks for sharing your story. A lot is happening in the churches and the church system in general that is far from what is God’s will and it is hurting and affecting people on many levels. It is tough because we do get so connected, but as you faithfully did – we have to follow the Spirit above all else – even our own justifications sometimes. I believe the times are changing and God is calling those who are truly His to Him and to His Word to truly live in and by His truth. I’ll be praying for you and that you will clearly hear His voice and will and faithfully follow it whatever it may be.

]]> By: Debirrah http://stirringthedeep.com/2009/09/10/out-of-the-church-system-into-his-arms/#comment-1498 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 04:30:00 +0000 http://stirringthedeep.com/?p=718#comment-1498 We left the organized church sys on Sept 6, 09. Our story is a long one, but I’ll keep it brief by leaving out numerous details. We knew Holy Spirit wanted us to leave the church due to a series of events over the summer, which included the pastor getting extremely angry & viciously (verbally) attacking an innocent believer because she questioned whether is was Biblical for the church go deep into debt rather than to pray & believe God for His provision; then by Autumn, we knew we had to leave. We were on the leadership team. The pastor asked us three times to put our names on a credit card so that he could use it to buy materials to remodel the building and told us that the payments would be our tithe! After agonizing over losing many close friends, we obeyed Holy Spirit and left. We visited a few other churches, but knew they didn’t welcome Holy Spirit’s presence, either. We are now seeking God and waiting on Him for further direction.

]]> By: Rachel http://stirringthedeep.com/2009/09/10/out-of-the-church-system-into-his-arms/#comment-1158 Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:34:20 +0000 http://stirringthedeep.com/?p=718#comment-1158 Mike – thanks for your comments. :-)

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